DEFCON scares me and science says it will scare you too
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- DEFCON is existentially terrifying. How about a nice game of chess?
Studies:
David L. Waddington et al.“Education from inside the bunker: Examining the effect of Defcon, a nuclear warfare simulation game, on nuclear attitudes and critical reflection.” Journal of the Canadian Game Studies Association. vol. 7(12), Apr. 2014
Chong-U Lim. "An A.I. Player for DEFCON: An Evolutionary Approach Using Behavior Trees." Department of Computing Imperial College London. June 2009
Miguel Sicart "How I Learned to Love the Bomb: Defcon and the Ethics of Computer Games." Center for Computer Game Research IT University of Copenhagen. 2009
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"No one would ever let it happen"
Gandhi: *evil laugh*
Why Gandhi?
@ Because he nukes the shit out of everybody in Civ
@ you wouldn't get it ;)
@ You wouldn't get it *smokes*
Yeah i really don't get it :(
"You see that city?"
"Yes, sir."
"I don't want to."
"Yes, sir!"
"Tachibana-san, why aren't we living?"
@@aureusknighstar2195 cause
MURICA FRICK YA
**proceeds to make him blind**
@@leexcite2903 **by making him see the nuclear blast on the city**
@@aninditapaul9291 *and then stabbing him in the eyes just in case*
" There are no winners of war, only survivors and even they die inside from guilt. They only physically survive to warn us. To warn us that there is nothing more terrible than what they have done. "-Jake Fulton
I'm 13 and this is deep...
You can't be more accurate than this
@Deo That's some nice coolaid you're drinking, hoping the money put in the military aren't detracting in any way from your inalienable human rights. What's that? You must pay for an education? What's a health insurance?
Now we know, the Deep States and some rich houses are behind these wars. There is a reason you have to suffer so much. Don’t like it? No worry, they offer cannibalism and corruption, if you want to end your misery. Guess what, you will take it just like you let the all the things happened in 2020.
"nothing more terrible that what they *were forced to do* " is more accurate I think. When one is unfortunate enough to find oneself on an active battlefield, fighting for survival, the only true choice is kill or be killed. It sends a chill down my spine just to think about that proposition, about having to indiscriminately and in cold blood take the life of another human being. Another man who might very well have a beautiful wife, not to mention children who will now never get to know their father simply because I believed my life to be more valuable. Another man who, if only times had been different, might even have become my best friend, possibly for life.
War truly has no winners, but only pitiful losers, forced to kill indiscriminately and without question, only for the unlucky survivors to end up damaged, broke, lonely and forgotten; rotting away in a veterans home. To use an already horribly overused saying; war never determines who is right, only who is left.
Destroying the world in Plague Inc: hehe I’m such a monster
Destroying the world in Defcon: *what have I done*
Stellaris players: hehe ethnic cleansing lmao
Nah my reaction to the game is plague inc. Don’t know why people are put off or disturbed by this game. It’s just a silly map game with funny little numbers popping up.
@user-ez7ed7kd8e
Same. I played Defcon, expecting to be scared or at least unnerved, but in truth I felt nothing. I had fun, it certainly wasn't boring, but I didn't feel any worse about it.
the difference between plague inc and defcon is you cant control where viruses go but you can control where nukes go
@@JackRogers-x9e ok mr edge
"Oh a new video from Polygon! I wonder what light-hearted video game humor Clayton has in store for me today!"
*six minutes later*
"oh."
Oh No ...
Life and how quickly we can die itself its humor
Don't be to terrified tho, the game lacks geopolitical interactions, therefor it is as from reality as Fallout 4 for example.
What they miss completely is the fact that eradicating a whole country by irradiating it completely is not an option for a war, as you always try to gain land, resources, food stock, to gain in power on the way.
After we saw the effects of radiation ont the japanese population, nuclear weapons got a mere tool of fear, nothing more.
One has note, that i come to this conclusion, because i know that russia and america for example have nuclear weapon technology, that is virtually unstoppable, i am talking about missiles that travel at multiple times the speed of sound for days or even weeks, releasing radioactive material in the process.
Mandernach Luca that’s one thing I’ve noticed when people talk about nuclear Armageddon, they always leave out resources. Makes sense why the 2nd launcher would shoot, but the 1st launcher? What would they have to gain other than mutual destruction? And even if they could get away with “minimal “ damage, what then? You can’t conquer the area you nuked.not saying a nuclear war couldn’t happen but there’s a lot of questions I pose that no one cares to ask or answer other than, “cuz it’s inevitable”.well why is it? What could they gain?at the end of the day all countries want 2 things.1 self preservation 2 to conquer, dictate, or gain any sense of control for resources to benefit themselves.
Kaleb Pinkston if you lost territory to an enemy then there is a point at which it becomes rational to attack them with nuclear weapons. That is the application of mutually assured destruction policy to conventional warfare and geopolitics. The storming of west Germany was expected to unfold that way.
"Yo 1v1 me"
Cold war in a nutshell
lmao
It's more like if the two players with the highest scores on each team suddenly went spectator mode and started placing bets while their teams fought it out.
@@Daniel_Lancelin No, its the tension of the two smartest kids in class waiting for the teacher to finish their question.
Cold war is the typical hero VS evil villain lord but both sides are just villain lords. Like instead of the hero with the sword is just a blue version of the enemy dude and they both send pawns to do biddings and said pawns mirror match as noone moves foward cuz both sides are just lords sitting on differently coloured thrones
Both just camping and hard scoping
Polygon, my source for goofy video game articles and existential dread.
I mean, they had Monster Factory.
If they think DEFCON is spooky (it isn't), they should give Superpower 2 a whirl. [ruclips.net/video/HykWHkMtAzU/видео.html]
Nothing quite like watching millions of your people die, and your economy crash because of a political blunder.
Also - can we stop peddling this "everybody dies" notion, it's making out politicians sloppy and it's just an inaccurate statement. Not even "most people" would die in the event of modern nuclear exchange. Nuclear warheads aren't all that powerful, and people are spread out - killing them, even with nukes, takes 'a lot' of work.
China's arsenal for instance is so wimpy that it is mathematically incapable of killing a quarter of the US' populace.
@@mountplusBladeequals but, there is the radiation poisoning, and the fact no life will be able to sustain itself for years, and the fact that most nuclear bomb shelters have been left unattended after the cold war, and that the survivors will die of cancer from the nuclear fallout in the atmosphere...
...
Am I missing anything?
Not everyone will die, but it will suck for the survivors, not to mention the survivor's guilt and the weakened governments
I hope we can agree that we should never have a nuclear war
I'm glad how they didn't launched a single bomb in the Philippines.
DEFCON is the most terrifying game I have ever played. Scarier than any "scary" game has ever been.
What about Metal Gear 2? That one has the ending that still worries us today
Minecraft story mode.
@@vr8652 MGS 2 even predicted memes and meme culture! Scary o.O
Spec ops the line?
I found it to be somewhat depressing. Like, I'm in a bunker, completely safe from this shitstorm, but...
Look at what we've done! Look at how much we've destroyed! There won't be anything to "conquer". It'll all be gone!
Another terrifying version of a nuclear war is the thermonuclear war event in the TNO mod for Hearts of Iron IV. The event shows children playing, an EAS alarm, destroyed buildings and a child's black outline on a wall (like in hiroshima and nagasaki) while the entire world slowly turns black
Not to mention your UIs are shattered and reduced to rubble.
And it shows as "Anarchy" when clicking a state.
@@MaliciousIntent327
And also there is a bloody note on the side that says.
"All Gone"
An interesting sound design choice would have been to have a pre determined “Base” where the player is located. You can’t see it, it might be close to a city, or maybe out in the countryside. But if a nuke lands close enough then you’ll hear it louder than the others.
Scariest game +
Would be cool to have it in Cheyenne mountain for the US, etc similarily for the RU and every other country having their irl counterpart be the base
That would be pretty cool actually
Imagine being removed and dealing with the abstract setup, then some bombs start sounding louder than others. You gradually piece together where you are, but it's already too late.
That is honestly an amazing idea.
Oh, a new Polygon video! I'll watch it on my lunch break.
...Hey boss, I'm gonna take the rest of the day off due to existential dread
"A single death is a tragedy; a million deaths is a statistic" - Joseph Stalin
So what is 7.8 Billion?
extinction
A killstreak
Salvation
@@LongandWeirdName /kill all
I think this is also why playing Plague Inc. made me so uncomfortable, to the point where the most difficult settings made me cry. Staring at a map of the world, watching the atrocities happen without even seeing an image of who you’re hurting, it’s horrific.
I wonder if it’s just universally horrific to play games where you stare at a map and annihilate the world.
Plague inc was one of the most unnerving games I had ever played, and I couldnt stop. I'm assuming this will be the same
when I play plague inc. i deactivate the sound because I can't listen to the laughs and coughs of people without feeling horribly bad
*Plague inc is probably just a game, but we shouldn't play it because I bet the gov is monitoring (as they do everything), to see if civilians come up with something interesting. You might have just created a virus the gov knew about forever ago, or be that one in a million that creates a new killer, that really IS unleashed on that part of the world*
@@jessicacole8404 Woahh, stop right there, that's way too out there
Wiping out the planet's population: fun.
Realizing your actions: hurtful.
Polygon: Defcon is terrifying because of nuclear annihilation.
Me: Launches a nuke back at that bastard Gandhi in Civ V
AI: wants uranium
also AI: 3 gold/turn. take it or leave it.
America: Defcon
China: Plague inc
Australia: Firewatch
Hotel: Trivago
Underrated comment
done before but still funny
@@SilentFox. overdone joke
Meh. cut him some slack guys. Everyone needs some likes every once in a while.
@@entityxkid244 sure, but that did make me smile. That's a well deserved like
One other thing that ties this topic to Chernobyl is when the nuclear plant explodes the guy in charge does not believe that the core has been exposed. The podcast about the tv show explains that his reaction was because if the core of the nuclear plant had exploded that meant they were all dead. His natural survival instinct caused him to exclude that from the realm of possibility in his mind. Just like the people in the study who thought they would die. If it means certain death we think it is impossible to happen.
Defcon : We Made such a unreal and scary Game..
*Stanislav Petrov : Hold my vodka*
The man that save the world
For those who don't understand: This is the person who played a key role during 1983 Soviet nuclear false alarm incident and did not press the retaliatory attack button because he decided that was impossible and it was a failure of the warning system (he was right). Thus, he violated military protocol, but saved the world from nuclear war.
He is... Saviour of humanity...
@@NiketasIgnatius Petrov's story is largely inflated by journalists.
In fact, he did not have any "retaliatory attack button". Petrov was the operational officer on duty at the Command Center of the OKO (ICBM launch detection satellite system), which was only one part of the Soviet missile attack warning system. And he only had to confirm (or not confirm) to his superiors the missile launch warning, received from his system. The final decision about the validity of the launch was made by the 820th Main Missile Attack Warning Center - basing on the analysis of all data from all USSR missile attack warning systems (including early warning radar network).
In 1983, while Petrov was on duty, the automatic part of the OKO generated a launch warning: "one ICBM launch from the territory of the USA", and then three more launch warnings. The 820th Center, which automatically received this information, demanded confirmation from Petrov. The "manual" part of the OKO system (visual control operators at OKO Command Center) did not confirm the launches. Flares from engines of flying ICBMs were also not detected. Accordingly, Petrov did not confirm the launches and reported about a false triggering of the OKO system.
Moreover, the OKO system at that time, although it was put into service in 1982, was considered unreliable. So, the data from it was initially considered as "confirmation required".
@Hatwox Because human beings have this need to create and exaggerate stories to make individuals heroic. No one wants to talk about a well-designed system working as intended. But a person going against the system to heroically save the day? Oh people will eat that up regardless of how close or far from reality it actually is. Look back at all the various exaggerated war stories of individual soldiers or commanders "going against orders" or otherwise bucking the system to "save the day".
The reason this game is scary is because the horror is real.
Plague Inc.
@Aizen Reyes (2022) When it happens, you wouldn't matter. We wouldn't matter. Because we would all be dead.
So just like afraid of dying, we should be afraid of nuclear war less, knowing that unless you're a government high ranking official, you have no say in whether you die or not.
Don't know haven't played it.
@@legendarytat8278 Yeah... Plague Inc. is definitely gonna be hitting differently once the pandemic is over.
How is it real? Do you actually believe the boogy-man stories about nuclear war?
DEFCON: *Exists*
Australia: maybe if i stand still, they won't nuke me
Underrated
And it works...
if you wrote "they won't notice me" instead of that it would ve been funnier
Not until emus get the knowledge of nuclear weaponry
@@useroftheinternet8362 we’ve already had a war with the damn birds, don’t give them any ideas
"nobody wins"
**ahem** switzerland.
Lmao
They actually have enough bunkers to fit their whole population, so they really could. Good luck colonizing and rebuilding the whole world though.
Nope ,a year after they also die once food and water in the bunker ends and thirst drives everyone out to drink radioactive contaminated water then the cough ,cough gets real ...it is called acute leukemia ...
if switzerland is coughing that's covid
*dies*
@@fsands69 ok i will edit it
What a lovely video to watch on Christmas
Definently
same
I'm continuing down the rabbit hole, I can't stop myself
A day after for me
It’s perfect for one of those days right after Christmas like the 29th
“ War does not assume who’s is right, but only WHO IS LEFT”
-anais
I am pretty sure the quote dosen't come from gumball
Ah, the Liberals were behind it all along!
@@sergiorubens8475 R/WOOOOSH
World seems to be leftist in that case...
@@sergiorubens8475 same thoughts
Someplace out there, there has to be a round of DEFCON where the players just refused to fight.
There has to be.
...right?
Played it around 6 years ago. It actually happened to me (us...) once in Diplomacy mode. Nobody fired a missile until the time run out.
I spectated a match after this video, player 3(Europe) did not launch a single missile, all his silos where in missile defense for the duration of defcon 1, was not pretty for him.
No sir, some humans are evil which is why some countries dont allie with the us and those countries are the ones willing to kill us whether we got guns in our hands or open arms
Yes...in the millions of games that have been played...one of them is peacful...one of them must!
@@kobepimpin uh he was talking about the game.
Were currently at DEFCON 4. The pieces are being moved into place. Even the rarely seen version of Air Force One has been deployed.
a film about Nuclear war that still scares me is Threads (1984)
Back then in freshman or sophomore year of high school, my u.s. history teacher one day stood in front of the class and, sort of fatigued sounding, let us know we were going to watch a movie. It was a short film, but it drove home how simply horrifying death by nuclear annihilation would be. I had forgotten the name of the film until just a few days ago when I saw it in my suggestions, it's called "The Barefoot Gen".
Sickening and disturbing. It was the most scary 20 minutes in class I had ever sat down through.
Ever see Failsafe? Best to watch it with a clock softly ticking in the background.
The Day After is a good one too. It transitions before, during, and after nuclear war, I saw it in high school, and it terrified me. Apparently it was one of the highest grossing TV movies of all time. You can actually find it on RUclips still. I think
Yes it is on RUclips still
Threads is legitimately the scariest movie I have ever seen
RUclips, you seriously recommending this to us in a time where nuclear war is genuinely the closest it has been to happening since the cold war?
RUclips algorithm, the all seeing eye
The algorithm responds to trends. People search, it responds. Nothing more.
Once when I was 14 yo I was playing Defcon at 4 AM. I live in Saint Petersburg (ex Leningrad) and when the nuclear bombs fell and the inscription "Leningrad: 5M deaths" appeared a ray from the rising sun outside hit me in the eye. I was shocked and immediately turned off the game
Сам себя взорвал, ахах
no weapon has ever been built, that was not intended to be used...
Heyy that's a good one
nukes were allready used
@@lordmilchreis1885 and will be used again
@@caanannethken1659 nah
@@lordmilchreis1885 damn, you about to real depressed 😂
Last week: *Watch us eat silly video game food!*
This week:
"A game doesn't need to be horror, for being scary"
Not sure how I feel about the DEFCON being a world-timer... I think it should be a mathematical calculation based on how well or poorly the war is going because the main target of nukes isn't cities its the military especially the navy
exited to try the game all the same though just my initial 2 cents
Is the military the target? We have learned and seen that modern militaries will actually target the civilians because they are the ones who will force there government to stop fighting. Enough rioting and protesting will put the government in a position where they will have a fight both internally and externally forcing the government to withdraw from external conflicts and focus on appeasing the internal masses. The civilians will either be put into 2 categories the ones who want to retreat from war and admit defeat or the war mongers who have not much more to lose and want to get revenge for all that has happened to them in this war.
@@batbgaming6765 you are right of course... only I believe that would likely not be taking place until after the military is destroyed... at least that's what my grandpa always told me and he was in the airforce and launched missiles from underground. Imagine for a min if Russia decided right now was a great time to fire nukes at America... even with 0 warning they would only be able to get off a fraction of their nukes then take into account our defense systems and the older missiles Russia sports (for the most part) and you have now a fraction of a fraction of the nukes making it in... top priorities for Russia would be the military to hinder our response and in such a small window they want to be sure to take out the critical targets (same as how we would be targeting the missiles sits initially)
Anyone here because is afraid of actual nuclear war??
Yes
Wow didn't expect a video about DEFCON in 2019. I guess with the Chernobyl series and the discussion about nuclear power etc it makes sense, still pretty random since the game is quite old now. Still love it though, one of the only strategy games I ever got into (I don't like strategy games for the most part) and it is quite a haunting game to play for sure.
Lord LOC Honestly i thought it was dead by now. also it's quite serious as a game. but I honestly dont fund it too bad. mostly because there are survivors in the end. especially if you plan for bombardment
small correction 0:53 : defcon 2 is finger hovering over the button, defcon 1 is world war 3 and the missiles are either about to launch or already on their way.
This doesn't seem scary. I am in charge of killing other people? Yes, I know how war games work. My presence in the game is removed from the battlefield? Yes, I know how strategy war games work. I don't understand why you think this one is any scarier than other games.
"Do you feel like a hero yet?" On steroids
Spec Ops the Line
0:10
Pov : you just lost the game
“To triumph in politics is to never see, directly, life’s victims”
I think that's kinda naive. Many people enjoy making others their victims.
Now watch a massive game of Defcon unfold before your eyes.
NO 😂
Not yet... not yet
If NATO approved the no-fly zone it would basically be DEFCON 3 already.
@@rafaelazambuja1099 DEFCON 3 means World War 3 :)
The game is just BEAUTIFUL
"War is where the young and stupid are tricked by the old and bitter into killing eachother." - Niko Belic
Says the guy roaming around town killing every person he sees with a rocket launcher
we should’ve never given power to those who are going to die soon anyways
@@eybrr8928the idea was that the older people are wiser, but...I dunno.
"And we do know the people responsible would be far removed from the carnage." *shows image of Cheyenne Mountain*
My brain: Oh right they'd all just bugger off through the Stargate. Yep good choice.
Or area 51. They still do have the second gate to earth, right?
@@PS-mw9cc I thought that was in the base at Antarctica?
Yeah, it's not like Cheyenne Mountain isn't a well known target or anything. It would be near the top of any respectable target list, probably has three or four warheads assigned to it.
This is actually, uh, super informative and very spooky. Thanks Polygon! Now I'm terrified. :)
"And the world shall know pain"
This game scares the hell outa me.
what is sha’ll
Unrelated but I love your profile pic
@@P0k3rm4s7 ah, I have met a man of pfp culture
Blue haired anime girls screaming
Welcome, brother
@ConfusedScreaming YT I'm very glad to have found one of my people here.
May the blue haired anime girl keep you safe and strong brother.
Was that naruto reference?
Based on this map, my strategy is to flee back to Australia and wait for Mad Max to kick in.
Australian spiders are already terrifying if they interact with nuclear stuff it'll be like minecraft
DoodleZoo Chuck a saddle on that bad boi!
You should read "On the Beach" by Nevile Shute. The premise of the book is that the continent of Australia is the last waiting to be hit by the nuclear fallout after a total nuclear war, due to the winds and weather systems. Basically a book about how people try to cling to normalcy when the rest of the world has ended and you're waiting your turn.
@@Paroex Nevile Shute's book is "On the Beach". "The Beach" is a totally different book/movie. Understandable mistake, though!
@@hollandscottthomas that's pigs, donkeys, and horses have you not played minecraft
Thats true, i remember playing this game expecting a cool startegy game with a good apocalyptic ambiance and basically thats how i played it for almost all of my playtrough, carelessely bombing cities after cities, and then when it became all calm and it was certain that i won i checked the population map mode for the first time since defcon 3 and an intense feeling of dread kicked almost instantly, for the map was almost pitch black. Thats when i realised that that was exactly how a person who would wage nuclear war feel, first they would execute the plan carelessely and then as soon as it would be over they would realise what they had just done. Damn, what a game.
oh man would you look at the time
“Los Angeles: 7m dead” really scared the shit out of me cuz I live in Los Angeles haha
Sorry to hear...
Look out for the big BOOM
As someone who played the game, one hit with a nuke kills most of the people, 2-3 hits will kill them all, but its best to send 5+ nukes each to multiple cities to get past the anti missile defenses....
@@Propaganda9999 just saw your comment love the terminator reference haha
@@Luwu-uq7ww thanks I like you profile pic
The fear from Chernobyl, originated fear to modern nuclear energy, which lead to dependance on Russia's fossil fuels and ultimately and ironically resulted in higher risk or nuclear war.
wow, that's scary. im on edge now lol. really makes me consider who's in charge of our country and how they'd respond to a nuclear attack.
You have to shoot back, they need to know their actions have brought down their nation and everyone they loved along with us. MAD
@@albykoolipurackal8676 And what do you think they are gonna do? Sit back and take it? They *will* fire back, and all you would have done is have more innocent people die. Your detachment from the people you're killing on both sides in this scenario is scary.
*_An eye for an eye makes the whole world go blind._*
@@sardonicsardonyx359I think that comment was a parody of Donald Trump, just because of the "Mad" at the end
@@mrdrunkuk4907 If it is, I'm glad nobody is stupid enough to actually believe that.
@@sardonicsardonyx359 I am stating in a scenario where someone launches nuclear weapons at a sovereign state, that state will fire back. That is Mutually Assured Destruction and that idea has prevented nuclear war. I was responding to "and how they'd respond to a nuclear attack" portion of the original comment.
This game aged well, and that's not a good thing at all.
WW1: Trenches and Mustard Gas
WW2: Blitzkrieg and Nukes
WW3: Human extinction and Unhabitable planet
This video scares me, I thought DEFCON was just a simple war game but now I think I've just lost at least 4 hours of sleep
That recording was done by Brian David Gilbert! I’d know that voice anywhere.
"Is there a way to get the computer to play itself?"
"Yes. Set the number of players to zero."
(Movie creates and solves it's own problem.)
Defcon: I'm plague inc but scarier
Plague inc: we'll see about that
Yeah too bad a plague inc might not be real, while Defcon has almost happened some time ago
@@mcperez7530 Does Plague Inc specify which virus would infect the world? No
@@mcperez7530 you NAME the virus, the game doesnt name them
They have symptoms that Corona virus does not have
They spread much faster
@@discoveryourorigins5698 what do you mean "biological weapon"? Are you saying Corona is made, not natural?
@@givemeanameiwillhate9525 please don’t continue the argument I don’t want neither you nor anyone else to lose brain cells while reading the other dude’s comments
Of all the things from my childhood that I wanted to come back, the cold war and the specter of the nuclear armageddon certainly wasn't one of them.
This is suddenly relevant again
When I was very little, I enjoyed playing Missile Command on the 2600. After a short time, the game's grim inspiration occurred to me and honestly: it turned my stomach. Then, I got over it and continued trying for new high scores!!! xD
This is the problem of a game like this as "a thing against war". People will fixate on anything that is "a game" and want to "play to win" it, regardless of the moral implications, which they will gradually become desensitized to.
@@VJFranzK Wellll, the possibility of instant nuclear destruction was (at least in my corner of the world) a fact of life back then and a commonly recurring topic. I do understand your point about normalization, however. In the case of nuclear war, the topic was already pervasive, not because of media, but because the threat was real (and it still is, really). In regard to normalization, I think there have been a number of studies showing that video games don't have quite the impact we might suspect, but it's not really my area of expertise.
@@Chocolatchips In this case it's not an even an "action game", but the concept itself is dangerous because it encourages delusional warmongering.
@@VJFranzK Nonsense. Does Burnout make me ram other cars for style points? Is CoD making soldiers running around with a knife cause it´s cooler?
Did halo make people teabag their opponent after they won a fist fight? Just stop it, pls.
Now I am become death, the destroyer of worlds.
- literally every person with nukes during defcon 1
@@itspurplepaw6163 Oppenheimer, often called "the Father of the Atomic Bomb" citating the Bhagavad Gita after witnessing the destruction he unleashed upon the World.
Cool
*"I don't know what weapons ww3 will be fought, but ww4 will be fought with sticks & stones"*
-Albert Einstein
and now WW3 may become a reality
And World War V will be fought with interplanetary lasers.
Yo someone's playing this on the wrong computer
Play it on an off white CRT.. or like.. a projector screen
And HE knows that
ah f*ck I accidentally bought putin sim
@@coleisforrobot, aw hell nah bro💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
@@coleisforrobot 💀💀💀💀💀
You didn't mention the worst part about this game.
When you "win", (all else is gone), you don't get a win screen.
Just- nothing. Silence. The dreadful silence of millions upon millions of deaths.
They could have gone one step further by removing the Score/Point system. Just show the statistics of the casualties. No high score
@@thorstend.888 i think the scoring system was used as a metaphor for how the military can sometimes see these statistics as just being mindless numbers
Millions? Billions.
@@Ghost_of_Avalon Nop
@@Ghost_of_Avalon Billions? Trillions.
When you turn off the PC but the siren doesn’t stop
OOF
Hol up
@@badmoth242xl3
[Last know post made on June 6th 1995 from a RUclips user that lived in a city along the Waldreich mountains]
That actually happened one time and I was scared running, tears in my eyes, busting down my parents door to there room...
Luckily, I just moved to a different city that had a prison nearby, it was roll call
Aight imma head out
How to play Defcon
First: install Defcon
Second: start nuclear war
Third: play defcon
*HOL'UP*
I think you need to see a psychologist
Oh no-
That's Funn... wait... SON OF A-
You need to complete step 3 quickly if you did step two well enough
In 1870, decades before the nuclear bomb was created, and English author by the name of Wilkie Collins was surveying the destruction caused by either the Franco-Prussian War or the American Civil War (I forget which one, both were horrible). He made the remark that one day humanity will make a "discovery…of a destructive agent so terrible that war shall mean annihilation, and men’s fears shall force them to keep the peace."
He seems to have been wrong, or we haven't reached that stage yet. I don't know which is worse
@@Deathstroke-gd6kd during the cold War russia and the US wanted to nuke each other very badly but they knew the world would end if either one did so, I believe we have hit that stage, we are still in it
@@Deathstroke-gd6kd pretty sure we have with the atomic bomb
@@pileofthoughts this is a possibility
too much risk and less return
while war give advantage to its victor nuclear war is totally didnt give advantage to its victor nor its victim
its like "we won this war and now what?" and as to why is that all i can say that after war i bet theres no way to eat thing without dies due to nuclear mutation of things
@@TK-5311 ruclips.net/video/0KiII_2qabk/видео.html
"War is a frightening concept, but this defcon shit scares the hell outta me"
- Sun Tzu
Deftly
He didn't said that!!
@@justshrimping742 "Do not trust quotes on the internet, they are fake, they are made-up"
- Sun Tzu
@@streamfroster wait? He said that as well !? WHATTT IS HAPPEENNINGGGG!!!!1!!1
Stop quoting my brother
-Moon Tzu
Abraham Lincoln talking about scary game doesn't exist, he can't hurt you
Abraham Lincoln talking about scary game:
Underated comment
Far Cry 5
He has a moustache
Omg I didn’t understand this comment until like 10 seconds in. Then I fell over and died.
@@andrewdiaz3529 Joseph or John?
“The nuclear arms race is like two sworn enemies standing waist deep in gasoline, one with three matches, the other with five.” - Carl Sagan
Yeah it's a crappy policy that doesn't really keep people safe.
It just creates more instability.
And not having nuclear weapons now is like standing there with them, with no matches. You just watch what happens.
@@PATISLAVthis made me think a bit.
Because, sure, big manchildren with nukes have the matches and everyone is drenched in gas, what is the better position? Be powerless to their whims, and pray nothing happens? Or have matches of your own and take up space in the constant taunts and mocking to strike?
Made me think of NK, and how their constant missile tests could be more of a "we are here, leave us alone" ploy, instead of a crazy threat to end the world.
And yet, surprisingly, neither dropped their matches...
@@CacowninjaMAD kept the world from descending into nuclear war for 50 years. It's not ideal or comforting, and the number of times it all almost ended because of hardware or software glitches is enough to ensure you never sleep again, but it worked.
The problem is that the more people have matches (to continue the metaphor), the greater the likelihood that one of them WON'T be a rational actor, or will have a "glitch". A world with 9 nuclear powers is far less safe than a world with only 2, and that's really saying something.
DEFCON 5: Peace.
DEFCON 4: Ready for war.
DEFCON 3: War.
DEFCON 2: Total war.
DEFCON 1: The peace of unburied dead.
"To simulate Nuclear Strike, douse the table in kerosene and toss a match on it."
-Official NATO Wargame, probably apocryphal
That’s grim.
@@historymarshal2704 Quite fitting.
@@archierockford1490 Yes. It is.
DEFCON 2:
Rome has entered the chat
you can’t fool me i know the cassette voice is BDG
I fall asleep to his voice every night before bed I cannot be swayed.
I was thinking that too XD
Probably because the study just had a transcript of the comment and polygon made it work better in this medium.
It says "dramatic reading"
Oh god he’s trapped in that cassette, how do we free him?!
I was playing a round of Survivor mode (which is honestly the best way to play it, especially if you also do it in real time) and I felt real fear and panic as enemy nukes rained down on my territory while my missile defenses tried in vain to stop them. Seeing such enormous death counts in cities I know and have seen in person... it gave me this sinking feeling I can't quite describe. I kept all of my silos in defense mode while everyone else fired their nukes, scrambled every fighter I had to defend the mainland, prevented EVERY sub my enemy had from firing, and yet still I ended up losing about half of my population. Once I knew the other side was dry, I remember thinking, "Well... You asked for it," before targeting every city they had with every warhead in my arsenal. I ended up "winning" that round by a LOT, but it didn't even feel like victory. Like he said in the video, everybody loses.
This is what I was searching for. The fact that you can defend all you want, try to prevent casualties as much as possible, but in the end... it isn't a victory. Just a slightly lesser defeat.
@@commandertoastcz6256also shows how pathetically petty the retaliatory strike is, even though the enemy’s missile systems have been exhausted and their aircraft and fleets destroyed by your forces, you still end up launching an attack on the defenseless civilian centers for no other reason than “you had it coming”
It reminds me of Avengers Endgame. At the start of the movie, Thanos still won. They killed him, sure. But that didn’t solve anything. Everyone they knew still died. It’s hard to even call it a Pyrrhic Victory. Even Pyrrhus of Epirus would have been deadened and sick by that reality.
@@thiccchungo1041 what more are you supposed to do? let their infrastructure and population intact so they can invade you 20-30 years later when you are barely rebuilding from the ruins and your young military-ready population is much smaller? nah, let them experience some good radiation rains for a couple of years and deformed babies for generations.
IRL refusing to launch your weapons would stop a full escalation because no other country would commit fully knowing that you still had strike capability which is why MAD works. No one wants to start a strike because waiting is the more beneficial move to make
So knowing that you should wait for your enemy to launch and knowing that neither side will win if there is a launch is what brought all the nuclear powers to the negotiating table and cool off tensions
*When you play DEFCON on an Area 51 computer and walk outsde*
I guess there's only 5 days left till we get Nuclear Armageddon. Lmao
Underrated comment😂😂
Oh no
Well we ain’t f*ckin dead yet so...
There is no outside
"That is what forgiveness sounds like: screaming and then silence."
-A llama, probably
CAAAAAAAARL
CAAAARRRLLL, why did you point all of Russia's nukes at the U.S.?
@lumpyheadgames Hey, I said I was going green didn’t I. I wanted to help the environment.
Carl, why did you start WW3?
Reading the Carl comments, I can actually hear his voice.
During the Cold War, the Soviet Nuclear Forces unofficial moto was "После нас - тишина" ("After us - silence")
It was and still is Strategic Missile Forces motto.
О! рашшн
Now i use that as my fam moto xaxaxaxaxa
transliteration: Posle Nas - Tishina
(-Krstit će se i ko neće-) motto
Polygon: come for the funny stuff and stay for the existential dread! I guess I've got a new game on my list now
same
What can you play it on?
Oh, and body horror. Lots of body horror.
@@josephray459 it's on steam! :)
It’s free on steam, calls it the demo but it’s really not
You know what the worst part about DEFCON is?
When the game ends and you're shown the scoreboard. There is no fanfare, there is no "You win!". There's just... Silence. There's just you, being shown what you have done
" *DEFCON* stands for *Def* ense, Readiness and *Con* dition."
Readiness: "Am I a joke to you"
Yes... Readiness is always the joke... Because nobody is ready for the end of the world.
@@DTSephiroth deep
Because we don't want to say DEFRECON. That doesn't roll off the tongue as well
米空軍パイロット We all prefer to use DECEPTICON instead.
It should be *DREADCON* *D* efense *Read* iness *Con* dition
Polygon:”which castlevania monster is sexiest”
Also Polygon:”nuclear war”
My 2 moods
Dojyaaaaan~
President Valentine?
I know right
D4C
This is what happens when you give power to a bunch of old people that only have 10 years of life left
😂😂😂
And no kids.
Damn
Ur probably 14
@@robertknight2615 AND YOUR PROBABLY Away down south in the land of traitors
Rattlesnakes and alligators
Right away (come away)
Right away (right away)
Come away
Where cotton’s king and men are chattles
Union boys will win the battles
Right away (come away)
Right away (right away)
Come away
We’ll all go down to dixie
Away, away
Each dixie boy must understand
That he must mind his uncle sam
Away, away
We’ll all go down to dixie
Away, away
I wish I was in baltimore
I’d make secession traitors roar right away
Right away (come away)
Right away (right away)
Come away
We'll put the traitors all to route
I'll bet my boots we'll whip 'em out
Right away (come away)
Right away (right away)
Come away
We'll all go down to dixie
Away, away
Each dixie boy must understand
That he must mind his uncle sam
Away, away
We'll all go down to dixie
Away, away
We'll all go down to dixie
Away, away
We'll all go down to dixie
O may our stars and stripes
Still wave forever roar the free and brave
Right away (come away)
Right away (right away)
Come away
And let our motto forever be for union and for liberty
Right away (come away)
Right away (right away)
Come away
We'll all go down to dixie
Away, away
Each dixie boy must understand
That he must mind his uncle sam
Away, away
We'll all go down to dixie!
Away, away
We’ll all go down
To dixie
Plague inc: who are you
Defcon: I'm you but scarier
*this has seriously not aged well*
They're both pretty scary
@@Zeus-ud2jl I mean, Plague Inc isn't scary after you get the message ''JOE MAMA killed over 5 million people'''
@@Zeus-ud2jl yeah but plauge inc is more abstract
@@Shadow_Witch lol yea but the atmosphere it gives and the noises it makes and you think this could happen
@@killerfishe5092 still spooks me think it could happen
"Somebody has to win" scares me.
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What does winning mean when there's so little left?
I wonder if they'll care. Because the only alternative is losing. Right?
@@jh9981 Because that is the mentality of countries but in this scenario nobody wins
@@Woodledude I imagine the situation as a situation you shouldn't really think about. If a country would attack you, you have to strike back and everyone loses. period. However, if you think about it, if the enemy already launched the missiles, you can't. Someone has to live, even if it means you don't.
Sombody has to win....but no one is willing to give up
I think the scariest part of this game is that god damn sound design, seriously just hearing that snippet of the audio sent fucking chills down my spine
Interesting and quite fitting sentence: "Everybody loses, but somebody loses the least"
If they are not more alive, how is that measurable? And how does it actually matter?
@@VJFranzK Whoever dies last, wins.
@@ursosexmachina We're not talking highschool football, or your FPS here. It's not really a win if there's no one left, friend or foe, to congratulate you.
The real, grown-up concept of victory of the human species has been our survival.
Survival of future generations isn't possible in a world contaminated by radiation. The "winners" might suffer in the longest, most terrible way.
@@VJFranzK More people are alive. If the US loses 100 million but Russia loses 150 million, the US has "won" the nuclear exchange.
So somebody wins, because losing less than others in any sport = winning, what matters is score compared to the others. Hahaha
As a RTS player this is terrifying (BECAUSE YOU CAN'T COLLECT RESOURCES :( )
I love Defcon. The thing that shocked me the most about the AI in the game is that if you try to play "realistically", where the goal is hitting military targets instead of just taking out major cities, you get completely destroyed almost every time. It's like they purposefully designed the game to say "no, a nuclear war can only be won through mass murder.....so don't freaking do it"
Hitting cities _is_ realistic in nuclear war. Industrialized warfare is dependent on manpower and production. You hit cities, you destroy factories, obliterate shipyards, kill off skilled workers, and their families... You're not just winning a war by defeating the enemy's existing forces and driving them back. You're destroying a population's ability to even _participate_ in anything even remotely approaching industrialized warfare for *generations*. Escalating to DEFCON 1 is All or Nothing. If you don't have the gumption to take a deep breath, and push the button, and make the opposition pay in equal blood to what they just launched on you,? Then you die. And nobody will be around to care since the only thing you're really doing is that the other guy is just as crippled as to have to spend just as much time as you to rebuild society.
It's PURE retaliation logic. And it helps manage MAD by the concept that even if we know we're going to die, we're vindictive enough to take the other side with us.
DEFCON operates on the simple assumption that for whatever reason, MAD has broken down, nations are on the edge, and the time for 'limited' warfare has passed you like a Porsche going the other way.
It IS possible to actually... WIN a game of DEFCON. When I say win, I MEAN win. No losses of population. I've done it precisely once. It required some pretty fine-tuned management of your silos swapping from ABM and Silo mode and a little bit of praying to RNGeezus that the enemy nations distributed their ICBM launches juuuuuust right.
why mass murder the ai if the point of the game is seeing they have been attacking you all along an you are their god
Realistically, limiting targeting to only military assets could only work if you made a preemptive strike during DEFCON 5 or 4 on New Year's Eve when everyone is drunk. You might have some success at DEFCON 3 but you are still going to be hurt bad. At DEFCON 2 or 1 you will be hitting empty silos (their counter strike will be in the air, headed towards you) or conventional units which pose no threat to you. All that assumes that you launch first.
If you are reacting to their launch, your only choice is to do nothing in the hopes that they survive or you can ensure that they burn with you.
@@atigerclaw The winning with population intact sounds very interesting,is there any video or step to step to do it ?
@@jamesbrendan5170
There isn't. Like I said, I did it precisely once and I'm pretty sure I couldn't duplicate it on demand because it requires both crazy-good handling of when and where you switch your silos, and a good chunk of RNGeezus. Who shoots at who at what time and how much so as not to overwhelm your defenses. I'd think of it more like winning a card game. There's skill involved, but it comes down to what you're dealt.
i love how Australia is just in the corner like *everything is fine*
Everybody forgets Australia
@@theslenderfox Eh, the starvation will get them if the natural disasters and wildlife don' t get them first
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Beach_(novel)
@UCXidC8Cir-T8RRKheZ0CeHA I was talking about in case of a nuclear winter, but I can understand where the confusion comes from. Outside of a nuclear winter, you are entirely correct.
"So now we've got nuclear winter. Everyone's dead 'cept Australia and they're still like "WTF? ^^" But they'll be dead soon... F*ckin kangaroos..."
Out of interest: did you ever play the diplomacy mode where all the players start as friends and allies and then scheme behind each other's back? That was my favourite way to play and it was probably the darkest existentially.
Christ that’s horrifying.
This whole concept is so damn scary.... reminds me of the Russian strategic missile forces moto
¨ _After us... silence_ ¨
OttoVonWeaboo how about Putin’s very frank declaration that “Why would we [Russians] need a world if there’s no more Russia in it?”
@@PhillyBoyBcn Well from Russian point of view it's pretty clear lol. Why would Russians need the world without home?
Welcome to reality
The scariest game to date
a bunch of creatures with sentience grouping together, ending millions of lives for the feeling of power
OttoVonWeaboo Woah, strong motto that one
Maybe playing DEFCON should be mandatory for politicians, just to hammer home the futility of nuclear warfare.
Considering how a lot of politicians are likely to be actual psychopaths, I don't think it will help much.
You act as if politicians care about people
Will not make any difference or they would not be politicians themselves.
I mean they probably know, and if they dont know about the consequences, 😂😂well we call them kim jong un
why play this game if they can slowly perform it in real life?
The unfortunate thing is you were wrong about one thing. In the beginning you described DEFCON 1 as your finger hovering over the big red button. In truth, thats DEFCON 2. At DEFCON 1, the button has been pressed.
@You_already_know937, that's why strategic air command has only moved into DEFCON 2 once if I'm not mistaken
0:50 Actually, DEFCON 1 is like every finger and usable appendage mashing as many big red buttons as possible
*bodyslams the nuke table*
@@kathrynb.kavanagh2621 GIBBEH
OOF
No it’s actually having 100’s of robots at high speed pressing 100’s of buttons per second for each robot
paniiiik!!! mode activated
Yeah DEFCON 1 is nuclear war. 2 is nuclear war is imminent
Plague inc: I fear no man, but that thing
*DEFCON*
plague inc: *it scares me*
*stares at madagascar in a cold sweat* Yea that's what I'm scared of.
In plague inc, the humanity dies by a sickness
In DEFECON, the humanity dies by a war
Defecon
@@ImKevax At least sickness dies alongside us in defcon. A nucler explosion is like sun on earth. I doubt anything survives that heat
@@ImKevax *In DEFCON, humanity dies by it's own hand
FTFY
America: Defcon
China: Plague inc
Australia: Firewatch
Nooo
We're all Plague inc now
hol up
Brazil: Counter Strike
Middle East: cod
Despite the horror of this, don't let this distract you from the fact that Mr krabs sold SpongeBobs soul for 62 cents.
Rofl
Damn
TRUE, i was waiting for someone to point that out
worth it! argargargargargargargargargargargargargargargargargrgargagrggargargragragragrag
I've counted every single nuke in defcon
I think they're only around 650
The world has more than 12.000 nukes
uh oh
the game is about cold war so ICBM's came out new in the cold war era
12?
@@carlredfield1693 In continental Europe, it is common for commas and periods to be swapped e.g: 10,000.1 (ten thousand point one) is written as 10.000,1
The huge numbers - and it's far reduced from the height of the Cold War in the 80s - was a calculus between NATO and the Soviets that if the other side launched a pre-emptive strike most of the nuclear arsenal would be destroyed on the ground before it could launch. Therefore, even assuming you've lost the vast majority of your own nuclear weapons, you'd still theoretically have enough left to retaliate and destroy whoever attacked you. This acts as a deterrent against the other side launching that pre-emptive strike in the first place. Since no nuclear wars have started since, the theory works.
"Peace is our Profession."
"War is just a hobby"
Strategic Air Command
"After us - silence".
© Strategic Missile Forces
@@alexeyrodiontsev4978 well that's so much darker
I agree; more countries need to make nukes to enforce the peace against a certain belligerent going around bombing, invading and spreading coups
Hotel is Trivago
@Panzerkampfwagen VI ...deez
"People die when they are killed"
Its a line from Fate Stay Night that got memed to oblivion due to how redundant it was but I think it bears a strong idea on just how valuable a life truly is. You can't "undo" a death. Once its gone, it doesn't come back. This is why its important to value life. Yours and those around you, so even if you don't have much to be grateful for, you can at least tale contempt on the fact that you are alive, and that many others are also alive. Cherish that thought, and try to live making the most of it
Yeah but then your just afraid of death it sounds, besides some people/animals have comeback from death technically and some explain what they experienced, since Every thing in this silly Universe ultimately dies it should be a comforting notion - like it’s a milestone
this is kinda like plegue inc. but nukes
Plague*
Exactly
In Plague Inc there's no fight, and you're just a bacteria trying to follow the circle of life but here it's actual humans cassuing mass deaths of one another through vaporizing each other's flesh
@@Saint_Wolf_ Plague Inc Is Also Mass Human deaths If You win You Kill Every Single Human
@@jj.jayjay. Sure but in terms of how things work, one is just a bacteria/virus, here's the progress of technology halting itself through its own makers.
Plague Inc: _What... what are you?*_
DEFCON: _The end. _*_Of the world._*
the plague just kills humans, defcon kills life itself
Except Australia, we're fine down here
@@TheWulf899 until nuclear winter begins...
@@CarlosRuiz20 thats right if fallaout teach something: "if the bo,b dont kill you the secondary effects will do it"
Imagine if they make second game mode where you...yes you become the UN leader (United Nations) and prevent the world from killing itself
*Dictator gamemode:Can you destroy the world?*
*Humanity last hope gamemode: Can you save the world?*
Safe to see that us Australians are safe from total nuclear annihilation
Declan Van Arkel they left you guys out because you already got terrifying animals that’s worse than even the nukes
Come on your country loses to your own national animals....pretty sure you're no threat to the world yet lol(this a joke btw)
Omega Storm ahaha I can’t argue with you there
Incoming fallout for us Aussies.
That's because the nukes just go to space rather then hit Australia because everything is upside-down.