@WDIM Just wanted to update. In 'A Matter Of Time', Berlinghoff Rasmussen is a 22nd century inventor who steals a time ship from the 26th century that he stumbled across in his own time. He set it to arrive in 24th century where he began taking objects from around the ship and storing them in his impenetrable time ship. He hoped to take them apart in the 22nd century and 'invent' them in the past in order to make money and become rich and famous. In the end, he is caught and held outside his ship as it disappears, leaving him stranded in 24th century. Not quite the same as The Orville episode but more an homage, as you describe earlier in the video, by way of taking the concept and turning it on its head.
There’s another callback that... you missed... movie night... they showed classic films on the series Enterprise & Orville has carried that over albeit with Mercer having date movie night...
I sadly never got into it cause I’m not into the creator that much, from what I seen he’s a bit of a Dick and steals content (see family guy controversies) a little too often, but love that you have found a way to like both!
@@LeahBouley Dear Leah, i think that's the whole purpose of the Orville, to criticize, praise, imitate, be original, respect and diss TNG. Have you seen Seth's Mcfarlane artistic resume? Is impressive and believe me when I tell you Seth doesn't need to rip off anyone. To me is more like a very good tribute.
@@LeahBouley Anyone complaining about "steal of content" on media is sooo comic... Show to me a plot and i will show the source who what "stolen" that. Life is a eternal recycle of ideas.
The Orville is a parody of Star Trek, if I remember correctly. It's produced or written by Braga. The same producer from other Star Trek series. Lol 😆 🤣 😂.
In the TNG episode "A Matter of Time", Rasmussen is actually from the past. He stole the ship from someone from the future that went to his time. He was pretending to be from the future at which the time ship was made.
@@Rkenton48 "So, send me back in time to before I duplicated the car, then I'll duplicate it, reverse the duplicate, leave the duplicate for me to destroy, and then move past that one hour so I can leave the reversed duplicate for Henry Ford to use." "I'll meet you at the battle of Waterloo next Tuesday." -- Larry Niven
It has been a whiled once i watched The Orville... though the episode where Bortis and Clyden get hooked on cigarettes made me laugh the whole episode. I love that they got Kassidy Yates as the doctor for the Orville.
It’s been a long time since anybody has seen The Orville. The last episode of Season 2 was released about 2 years ago. (04/25/2019). Supposedly, there will be a third “season” comprised of eleven episodes which will stream exclusively on Hulu at some point in late 2021. Of all the things that The Orville borrows from Star Trek I wish one of them was the way they would produce over 20 episodes a Season. In fact, “Star Trek: The Next Generation” routinely produced 26 episode seasons. The shortest season was the second which consisted of “only” 22 episodes due to a Writer’s Strike. Also, the longest gap between seasons was three months. Ah, well: “Yesterday, and Yesterday, and Yesterday”!
@@lovetheblue6659 yeah, I think the general consensus has shifted from quantity or size of product to quality of product, and I'm not very mad at that. Would I love to get 24 episode seasons back? Sure, but not if they're gonna be the same production quality as they were. The 10 - 13 episode per season shows have set a high bar with the quality of their production and content, and I wouldn't trade it for more episodes, personally.
Honestly, Paramount should just give Seth McFarlane his own real star trek series and let him do what he wants with it. It would still be better than Discovery.
Discovery is like the kid at school who is just a wee bit different. Guess what happens? Yes the other children simply bully him. Sick isn't it? But oddly they somehow feel good doing it.
Although you mentioned, "If the Stars Should Appear," you neglected to mention it has almost the same plotline as the ST:TOS episode, "For the World is Hollow and I have Touched the Sky."
And they did that episode much better than Star Trek S3 did. However, like The Cage, that is an old Science Fiction plotline going back to Heinlein and earlier. The Starlost, a Canadian series of the 70s pitched by Cornwainer Bird (Harlan Ellison) was an entire series based on the generational space ark thinking they were on a planet. Doctor Who did it often. Hitchhikers Guide did it somewhat comically. Lost in Space did a space zoo collecting people before Star Trek aired. "The Keeper" was their big S1 episode with a big first-rate. The Cage itself was derivative of "People are Alike All Over" in Twilight Zone 1961 with Susan Oliver in the same role. TV is a constant rerun.
I was actually shocked that one was glossed over. Likewise Road Not Taken is more than a passing nod to Yesterday's Enterprise, and its predecessor/setup has echoes of Second Chances. Retepsian pheremones also hint at Elaan of Troyius or the Deltans
@@jacksonestacado7409 The drunk ambassador was played by Scott Thompson from "Kids in the Hall" Jeffrey Combs only role on voyager was the guy who ran the Tsunkatse fights.
11:44 There was also a similar situation in Stargate SG-1 (which predates both of your references) where an Alien with Psychogenic pheromones convinces SG-1 that he's a member of their team named Lieutenant Tyler.
I love this video. In a homage to Star trek, you forgot to mention that they have been several episodes of the , "Orville ", that were directed by Jonathan Frakes,(Captain William Riker, ST TNG/ PICARD) and the actress that plays Dr. Finn ( Penny Johnson Jerald)was actually a regular Star trek DS9 regular. She played Captain Ben Sisko's love interest, Kasidy Yates.
Penny Johnson Jerald, in addition to playing Kassidy Yates Sisko, was also in one episode of TNG (7x13 "Homeward"), where she played Dobara, the Boraalan love interest and baby mama of Worf's foster brother Nikolai Rozhenko. [She also played alongside Will "Captain Kirk" Shatner in one episode of T.J. Hooker, but I guess we're kinda straying far with that one... ;)]
I really like the S2 E3 "Home", and "calling back" actors Robert Picardo and John Billingsley added a nice recollection of the various incarnations of the Star Trek franchise that were the reason I am so happy to see The Orville keep that fun going!
Yess i was really confused about john billingsley mainly because i recognized him from star trek but couldn’t place him. Robert Picardo was a bit easier mainly due to series longevity. We simply saw more of Robert picardo’s doctor than we did of John’s doctor
also the fact the Picardo and Billingsley's characters were boh doctors and the characters they played on The Orville were supossedly an intellectually advanced species. I saw as an homage to their ST characted and not just as being guest stars.
On a Nuclear Submarine "Coolant leak" is a very big deal, or rather "Primary coolant leak", which is probably where the writers got the phrase, without knowing what it means in context
@@Ottophil I like the Orville but you are right. They haven't had many new ideas at all, mostly retellings of star trek episodes with added humor. They even have a young black lieutenant serving as helmsman who gets promoted to chief engineer. I'm surprised he didn't have a visor.
This has got to be the best new Star Trek (OK, not Star Trek). Seth McFarland is so busy making a warm tribute to the show that he forgets to do jokes. He's done episodes that are more Star Trek than actual episodes of Star Trek are. You've already pointed out some of my favorites. The one that really stuck with me was the one where one of their scientists was condemned to be executed because he was so distracted by his work he didn't notice a pregnant woman standing in the aisle near his seat on the 'subway.' Someone took a picture and described him as a heartless brute and it went viral. Their justice system is based on social media likes and dislikes. I'm not certain there were any jokes at all in that one. Every time I watch an episode I'm reminded of the very best of Star Trek.
The Orville was always meant to be a Spiritual Successor/Homage to Star Trek, because Seth McFarlane is a huge fan of Star Trek. That's why he's had almost all the members of TNG make guest-appearances on Family Guy. It's why he got Patrick Stewart to appear as a regular, recurring role on American Dad. It's why he cast Penny Johnson Jerald to play as Dr. Clair Finn; Penny is a Star Trek Alumni who played Captain Sisko's primary love-interest on DS9. He also cast Robert Picardo to play the role of Alara's father; Robert was the Doctor on Star Trek Voyager, and Alara's Mother, Molly Hagan, made an appearance in a Season 2 Episode of DS9, "The Jem'Hadar." And I'm about 99.9% sure that Episode 4 of The Orville in Season 1, was directed by Jonathan Frakes (Commander Will Riker). Seth McFarlane was also in an episode of Star Trek Enterprise, I believe? So, not at all surprising that the man would draw inspiration from arguably the greatest Sci-Fi franchise in History.
I agree. "The Orville" is the better Star Trek in our time. Even Patrick Steward cannot save the convoluted writing of "Picard", and "Discovery" completely throws overboard the basic theme at the core of Trek: a bright future worth working for, a Utopia worth fighting for. The writers of current Trek do not seem to understand that this gritty, dark and moody fad that pop culture is experiencing momentarily does not work for a franchise based on the *optimism* that humanity can overcome its pointless quarrels and pull together, for everyone's benefit. So basically, they cut out the heart of Star Trek and then go around wondering why any fan would call their version heartless.
@@albertogonzalez2203 People have given up on the new shows permanently. I'm an electrical engineer in Silicon Valley, nobody I know spends anytime watching the new shows. Many of us saw one or two of them, but it's just kind of disgusting. It's a complete inversion. It's basically saying that the future is a dystopia, and what engineer wants to think they are building that?
I was always hesitant to watch The Orville because I thought it was making fun of Star Trek because of Seth Macfarlane's usual comedy style stuff. I was so pleasantly surprised when I watched it and it IMMEDIATELY became a favorite. So well made!
Used to not be a McFarlane fan (animated TV shows & movies like "Ted" do not speak to me - & forget about Oscar hosting!!!). But when I learned he could sing very well & loved the Big Band style oldies & I warmed a bit. Then came The Orville. I have always been a HUGE Trekkie & while there are no doubt many more references to the originals what I love is the tongue placed firmly in cheek. Seth's humor is abundant & has matured (although the 2nd season took a darker turn). I can hardly wait for Season 3...
11:18 - Blink of an Eye. They did not send the Doctor to guide them. he was sent purely as a reconnaissance mission, but due to an error, he was there for 3 years. He just integrated himself into that society over that time frame.
Original idea for Comand Performance is from Twilight Zone episode People Are Alike All Over. The idea that aliens might place us in a zoo-like animals.
I always assumed that the economics of the Federation came about due to the invention of the replicator. If you can create anything out of thin air, supply and demand become meaningless because the supply of anything is infinite. In a post-scarcity world, there's no need for money.
The Orville was great, but there was really only ONE time it borrowed from Star Trek: The total existence of the show. Every episode was some sort of homage to a Star Trek situation.
um the entire story of treating Alara so she could acclimate to the different gravity came directly from the DS9 episode Melora about an officer named Melora from a low gravity planet that Dr. Bashir devises treatments for so she can live comfortibly in normal gravity but is also told she can never return home if she completes treatment.
@@keithkeyser9546 I think giving Alara super strength was a direct result of her looking exactly like a Vulcan who in the star trek universe are 5x stronger then a human.
My suggestion for an Orville holodeck villain: a super intelligent evil scientist played by Neil De Grasse Tyson. They’d have to spend a lot of time getting takes without anyone laughing or giggling uncontrollably, but who would expect Tyson to be just a comic book villain?
This video was a fantastically spent 16 minutes...mixing my favourite sci fi movies & TV series. Since The Orville went on to Hulu, l have missed this series greatly, and your video immersed me back into the genre. Thank you.
It's weird how Doctor McCoy and the dude at the bar whose ship he's trying to charter to the Genesis Planet in Star Trek 3 The Search for Spock know damn well what money is.
I think when the lady tricked the captain with a romantic relationship is a callback to Voyager where Seska did the same thing to Chakotay and turned out to be Cardassian spy
The Orville S2 "Identity" borrowed elements from TNG "Best of Both Worlds" for it's central conflict. But the way the battle is wrapped up reminds me of to the space battle of Operation Return in DS9 "Sacrifice of Angels". The episode "Into the Fold" where Isaac cares for Dr Finn's 2 boys after their shuttle crashes is reminiscent of Voy "Innocence" where Tuvok cares for some alien children.
Thank you so much for this video I think you did a great job. I am a big fan of The Orville as well a life time Trecker I think you nailed it saying the new Star Trek is just not that good and The Orville just brings us back to great writing and great stories about the crew and the laughs are just enough to make an awesome series
Money was used in the original Trek series. For example, in The Trouble with Tribbles, they mention a number of credits Uhura would have to pay for the tribbles before Cyrano decides she can have the sample for free.
what about individual episodes? like the social media episode where everybody has a up and down like button on their shirt, did they get that from somewhere? that episode was soooooo brilliant, i like the horoscope episode too, and the giant broken colony ship where people forgot it was a ship, and the one they think kelly is the god of healing, or the one alara loses her strength they were all sooo good
Matt Fruer's character Matter of Time, was actually from TNG's past were he killed the original pilot of the time craft, and couldn't control when the ship jumped in time except back to his own time where he marketed future tech as his own creations.
2 episodes in I am sadly unamused. It hasn't, for me, shown that 'spark' the show had beforehand and I fear they tried TOO hard to be it's own thing. It's just 2 eps in for a 12 ep season or w/e so we'll see but I feel a little let down kinda' like seeing middle seasons of Scrubs. I wonder if a fourth season will be made, I hope so.
u mentioned captain romance with impostor infiltrator krill, voyager also had impostor ilfiltrator who had hots for Chakotay, namely Seska everyones favourite Cardassian spy who fooled even tuvok.
You get a coke. It seemed obvious that GR was borrowing from that episode also, even to cast Susan Oliver in the same role. The story is pretty old in fantasy and science fiction.
La Forge's throwaway line that got used over and over again was "starboard power coupling is down". It got to a point where my friends and I would listen out for it appearing in an episode.
Bortus and the mustache fkn cracked me up, same with his smoking habit. One of the best characters ever! The great piss as well lol.... It's just like waiting for a new episode of the next generation back in the day, you can't wait for it!
Looking like a great channel so far! Interesting subjects with lots of research and info which makes for well written scripts, you just need to polish up your presentation ( talk a little slower for example) and then you're there.
There are other Robin Williams links to both shows. Robin William's space uniform costume from "Mork and Mindy" was previously Colonel Green's costume in the TOS episode "The Savage Curtain". And the season 3 flashbacks of the origins of the Kaylon took clear influence from Williams' film "Bicentennial Man".
12:00 Yeah, that twist was a big 'oof' moment for the captain and I felt his pain, especially as you say, the show has shown his level of loneliness throughout the season.
@2:44 along with the TNG and VOY episodes you mentioned, also recall the MEH on Voyager had a beautiful story about his holographic family. Again, at first it is just for research and again EMH has advice from crew members etc, and similar story line to A Happy refrain.
Because of the 'invention' of the transporter...Roddenberry got credit for his scientific genius,while the earliest transporter 'sighting' I have is the 1930s Buck Rogers In The 25th Century cliffhanger serial starring Buster Crabbe.Buck,our 20th.century hero,awakes in the future where he sees and experiences many wonderful things..one of which is 'the transporter'.When he asks for an explanation as to how it works...word for word the exact same speech shows up in Star Trek 30+ years later and..wow..Gene Roddenberry has done it again.
Season 2 Ep 14 The Road Not Taken. This is an alternate timeline that was created due to an action not taken that should have been. This is similar to TNG "Yesterday's Enterprise" where the Enterprise C was taken out of time. That caused the Klingons to feel the Federation were cowards and caused the Federation to be in a losing war in the modern times. Just as the Orville tried to wipe Kelly's mind of her action (didn't work). She changed her action (going out with Ed again). That caused Ed and the crew NOT to be on the Orville and to change how Isaac sees humanity. When the Kalan attacked Earth, they ended up wining putting the "Federation" into a losing war.
They missed the fact that, not only did Seth MacFarland have a recurring role in a Star Trek series, but so did the Orville's doctor, Penny Johnson Jerald. She played Kassidy Yates,the lady who would eventually become Benjamin Sisco's wife on Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. And she appeared in a smaller role on The Next Generation.
So first off, Dr. Bashir's father is the lead scientist in the pilot for the Orville, and 'The Cage' was borrowed by Trek from a Science Fiction writers short story. I don't know their name or the name of their story but this is true. It is only after watching the part with Isaac did I realize you meant plot points, not actors
I really don't have a problem with this. Star Trek had been circling the toilet drain for a long time, until The Orville came along. Also I've watched Star Trek Lower Decks. It's a lot more "Family Guy In Space" than The Orville ever was. In my book The Orville has become the real Star Trek.
Agreed. I still pray for the return of real trek. With the money CBS has been loosing and the execs saying to do what it takes to get strange new worlds back to star treks root combined with q coming in Picard. I'm hoping they can kind of delete the Kelvin/discovery universe all together. But not counting on it. Star trek has broken my heart 1 too many times lol
In Star Trek TOS, the Federation did use "credits" as a form of currency. Look at The Trouble with Tribbles, where the Tribbles are sold for credits, until they overbreed and become a nuisance. It was the Next Generation that eliminated money for the Federation. By then Roddenberry was an "executive" producer, and not active in directing the show.🖖
J. Lee's character John LaMarr seems to be a nod to LeVar Burton's character Geordi La Forge. Initially an insignificant bridge crew member, he is quickly promoted to chief engineer and becomes invaluable to the welfare of the ship. There seems to be something going on with his name too. It's unusual to have a capital letter in the middle of a name (with the exception of Mac and Mc names), although not completely unheard of. "LeVar" and "La Forge" both seem to contribute something to "LaMarr".
What about near the end of the season 2 when Marina Sirtis appeared as a teacher on the Orrville? The episodes with the onboard school could be seen as taken from Star Trek. Such as the Orrville's chief doctor's son getting into trouble at school which is similar to Worf's son (Alexander) doing the same. And there were more time in Star Trek: the original Series that are shared with Orrville as well. Like how Spock and the Romulan captain had some interpersonal time and was similar to the captain's loneliness.
"Blink of an Eye" is based on the novel "Dragon's Egg" by Robert L Forward. So Orville's similar plot might be reusing the idea directly, not borrowing from Star Trek.
Even though its definitely star trek that influenced Orville, I feel like Red Dwarf has some subtle inspirations too, 1 being Isaac and Kryten, both their arcs contain them trying to understand emotions, another just being that Orville and Red Dwarf bring humour to space exploration, it's like Orville is Red Dwarf but set during the 1million year Lister is in Cryo sleep, all this typing and I'm pretty sure people from the US have no clue what Red Dwarf is haha
I'll give you a nerdy answer that nobody else will think of. The Orville actually copies the warp engines from Star Trek. Rodenberry had a rule for building ships, which included the Klingon and Romulan ships as well, and it was that the nacelles needed to be in pairs, and not interrupted by the hull. That's why the Enterprise has a funny shape. The nacelles actually created a warp field in-between them, and that is what propelled the ship. When Roddenberry died, the creators never understood this and treated the nacelles as space jet engines. They started breaking all the rules by designing ships with odd-numbered nacelles and/or with the hull in the middle, where the warp field needed to be. In the Orville, the quantum engines are a physical representation of completing the loops between the nacelles, so to speak. It visually shows the functionally that the late Roddenberry intended.
The Moclus myriad batshit crazy customs are also a running gag about how wildly inconsistent the Klingon's can be depending on what daft nonsense the writers added to their mythology over the years.
I think star trek fans liked it because it honored star trek and had funny things in it, without making a complete joke out of it. it has its serious moments, compelling moments, laughing moments without mocking star trek.
The fact that Robin Williams was unavailable to play his character in an episode of Star Trek is perhaps the most catastrophic misfortune ever. Period.
How about you mention the two series that were stolen by Star Trek. DS9 and Discovery. DS9 was stolen from j. Michael Straczynski who tried to sell Babylon 5 to paramount and within a year or two DS9 was announced and Discovery was a complete rip off of a video game right down to character looks called tardigrade that was made by a man in the middle east.
Speaking of borrowed: the episode Patterns of Force did not air in Germany until 2011, for obvious reasons. It was shown in the 90's on Austrian TV, which was the first time the episode aired in a German speaking country. And a fun fact about Amok Time: when it first aired in Germany in the 70's, they did not like the idea of alien mating rituals. Mainly because Star Trek was mistaken as a kids show. As a result, the entire plot was changed in the translation: Spock has space fever. Needless to say, it didn't make much sense.
Isaac wasn't a combo of Data and Seven. It was Data plus the sentient androids Voyager found and accidentally helped to continue their war after they destroyed their builders. Let Tyler was based on Seska as far as I can tell.
8:13 "Coolant leak" really means nothing? Let the coolant (radiator fluid) leak out of your car's coolant system, see what happens. Let the coolant leak out of a nuclear facility, see what happens. (Fukushima, anyone?) Just because it means nothing to the actor doesn't mean the writers didn't know what they were talking about, or the fans.
get in a big tank and let it fill up with hot radiator fluid, then you'll see the danger in it. Pretty sure they used more than a gallon or two of coolant in those systems.
Had 2 ideas for the Orville for its first season. The first episode was the beauty shot of the ship in drydock and Scott Grimes turns to seth and comments on the ship and asks her name, proudly seth grins and says "it's the Orville. You know named after the author of moby dick" there's a pause and Scott Grimes says "that's melville" Seth facepalms and curses as the ship drifts by before the title card. Imagine the shot of them behind showing off the cgi then a shot of them from the front exchanging lines then return to the empire strikes back looking out the window but seth creases up that kinda deal The second is a backward space seed homage where they recover a pod containing matt Berry the British comedian who is playing a captain from. The "future" or as he puts it "the few chairrrr" who usuurps his command and nearly brings the ship to ruin. He's actually a eugenics experiment from the past went wrong and embarrassed, blasted into space where he'd do no harm. Ironically he does more harm the deception is revealed in the last act. He "out ranks" seth because he is a major captain a title from the future that outranks Seth invented during an argument and the crew go along with it and seth is consigned to quarters for getting "a bit leary" Seth protests that it's absurd but bortas firmly replies " sorry but I have to deferr to the major captain" and seth is incredulous. Issac confronts Berry in his quarters and defeated Berry says "oh look out robot man behind you" Issac is not fooled. Berry dramatically confesses defeat and explains his shame "all the evidence is in that bag down there" and points. Issac goes to pick it up and Berry smacks him with a monkey wrench. The episode would have introduced the holodeck where major captain Berry decides to have a cultural exchange with bortas. It's called a pub. Seth meets with his xo wearing a false moustache visiting "the pub" and explains his conserns and organises a coup. The only one who laments berry's loss is Scott Grimes whom appears on bridge with Berry one shift drunk and singing a soccor chant and is a flashback when seth asks "has anything seemed odd to you since the major captain arrived". The distress call that was garbled is cleared up by seth and its a short film sending up stranger things where Berry is trying to crush a coke can with his mind wearing a science thingy on his head, but he gives up and looking to the two labcoat doctors shrugs and says "nah can't do it me ol mucker, can I get another soda though, Im mad thirsty. The labcoats shake thier heads with clipboards And then the message repeats do not open this pod. It is an embarrassment to human progress"
On the subject of the zoo and cage episodes, if memory serves in Trek travel to that planet only happens after the incident in the pilot, so Captain Pike wasn’t violating the law in going there. In The Cage Spock hijacked the ship, so Kirk wasn’t the one going there against the law.
There is one episode that I remember in the Original Star Trek where Scott is impressed with a vessel that has Ion propulsion. This next one has nothing to do with the above video: Did anyone notice that Seven from Voyager may have been named after the character called " Gary Seven" in the original Star Trek episode: Assignment: Earth.
@@alexgrey5975 I've vaguely remember My Living Doll, running in the mid-60's contemporary with Bewitched & I Dream of Jeannie, it was only one season. I've NEVER seen it in syndication. Lord knows where the creators of 7 of 9, ran across it. Maybe a VHS 📼/DVD💿box set. 📦 BTW AF709's character resembled Data, she also is trying to learn to be human 🤖>💃
There's also an episode of The Orville that pays honor to an episode of TNG, Enterprise, and, to an extent, Voyager. In the episode titled Majority Rule John gets into trouble for performing a lewd act as a joke, unaware that the society that they are visiting is dependent on social media, and the statue he performs on is a cherished icon. Their punishment if he reaches one million votes is to be "correction which will damage his brain severely. It's similar to an episode of TNG in which Wesley is sentenced to death for accidentally damaging some plants, and an episode of Enterprise titled A Night in Sickbay in which Captain Archer's.beloved beagle Port hos is injected with a deadly virus because, while visiting a hostile civilization, Porthos, doing what dogs do, relieved himself on a cherished plant. Also, in Voyager's.episode Justice B'eLanna is charged with having violent thoughts that accidentally get transferred to a member of a civilization that they were visiting for supplies. Her punishment, removal of all violent thoughts, which may also damage her brain.
I love both shows and it's fun to spot says in which the Orville borrows from Star Trek storylines. When Bortus is stabbed by Klydon by way of divorce reminder me of when Worf tried to stab his brother on DS9 to save his honour. In both storylines the victim is saved and the captain's struggle to understand the culture which allows murder.
The Orville is more star Trek than all Star Trek shows since TNG. It has borrowed countless times from Trek, beginning with it's entire premise. Seth claims it's an amalgam of many sci-fi shows he watched. I see nothing but Trek. What we need is a list of 10 time The Orville borrowed from something OTHER than Star Trek
The similarity between the imposter on orville and ashe on discovery is unlikely as they would have released too close together to be copies of each other. That Orville episode is more likely to be a nod towards the Voyager arc that includes Seska, who is the Cardassian disguised as a Bajoran who seduces Chakotay.
I'm sorry, but I can't agree with the characterization of pon farr as ridiculous. I admit that I thought it somewhat extreme, back in the sixties, but it has never struck me as particularly far-fetched that a race which has managed to nearly totally subjugate emotion to reason would have a cyclical regression. Jaloja, on the other hand, is utterly ridiculous, and I certainly hope that was McFarlane's intent. The idea that a non-sessile living creature that frequently eats and drinks would only have a metabolism that only has the need to urinate once a year is just preposterous. They didn't even try to make it look plausible by having Bortus' not inconsiderable girth diminish noticeably. One of my favorite things about Orville is that as it progressed, it took itself more seriously. Like you, I found myself looking forward to each episode of The Orville rather than those of the first season of ST: Discovery (or ST:D). "Discovery" did well to distance itself from the madeover Klingons, etc., take itself into the future (thereby avoiding all sorts of mayhem to the 'lore', and spin-off the series with Captain Pike which is more faithful.
The first episode of Discovery Aired Sep 2017. The Episode We found out that Ash Tyler was Part klingon was aired Jan 2017. The Episode That Tyler tricked Captain mercer on Orvile Aired Jan 2019.
Something that always bothered me, was how Bortis' child (I forget the name) went from a newborn baby to like 12 years old, seemingly overnight. And it's never explained or mentioned.
I'm still wondering how said child came out of Bortis. Lieutenant Lamar theorized that the only place the egg could've possibly come out of, was his butt. Considering how an all male race has intercourse, I don't think that's a "STRETCH"!~lol
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Which callback to Star Trek used in the Orville is your favorite??
@WDIM Just wanted to update. In 'A Matter Of Time', Berlinghoff Rasmussen is a 22nd century inventor who steals a time ship from the 26th century that he stumbled across in his own time. He set it to arrive in 24th century where he began taking objects from around the ship and storing them in his impenetrable time ship. He hoped to take them apart in the 22nd century and 'invent' them in the past in order to make money and become rich and famous. In the end, he is caught and held outside his ship as it disappears, leaving him stranded in 24th century.
Not quite the same as The Orville episode but more an homage, as you describe earlier in the video, by way of taking the concept and turning it on its head.
The logo of the Union is the Farpoint Station aliens "holding hands"
@@Bellabong Yup. I saw that once and now can't unsee it - not that I mean that in a bad way.
There’s another callback that... you missed... movie night... they showed classic films on the series Enterprise & Orville has carried that over albeit with Mercer having date movie night...
I liked the episode that had a cameos from both doctors, Bashier and also the holographic doctor
I'm a Star Trek fan and I looooove The Orville. 🖖.
I sadly never got into it cause I’m not into the creator that much, from what I seen he’s a bit of a Dick and steals content (see family guy controversies) a little too often, but love that you have found a way to like both!
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Dear Leah, i think that's the whole purpose of the Orville, to criticize, praise, imitate, be original, respect and diss TNG. Have you seen Seth's Mcfarlane artistic resume? Is impressive and believe me when I tell you Seth doesn't need to rip off anyone. To me is more like a very good tribute.
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Anyone complaining about "steal of content" on media is sooo comic...
Show to me a plot and i will show the source who what "stolen" that. Life is a eternal recycle of ideas.
@@LeahBouley imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
The Orville is a parody of Star Trek, if I remember correctly. It's produced or written by Braga. The same producer from other Star Trek series. Lol 😆 🤣 😂.
It's much more a homage than borrowing; McFarlane shows a lot more respect for Trek than either of the modern shows do.
Below Decks is pretty cool lots a reference to other shows.
@@ktkool8468 lower decks is amazing
This is just something people come to star trek videos to say after watching the latest midnights edge video.
It doesnt really play like homage when you pay it several times each episode or during an episode whose plot was directly lifted.
@@fowlergaming5140 Yeah, it's not homage at all, it's actually a parody of Star trek.
In the TNG episode "A Matter of Time", Rasmussen is actually from the past. He stole the ship from someone from the future that went to his time. He was pretending to be from the future at which the time ship was made.
Yup, I am surprised he forgot that. He must have seen that episode a LONG time ago.
@@earlwarner4404 yes. I watched it tomorrow ten years ago. funny how he missed that little tidbit.
Yep, you are correct sorry about that. Time travel can be confusing sometimes :)
@@WhatDidIMiss Time travel is easy. It's the grammar that's hard. (Douglas Adams)
@@Rkenton48 "So, send me back in time to before I duplicated the car, then I'll duplicate it, reverse the duplicate, leave the duplicate for me to destroy, and then move past that one hour so I can leave the reversed duplicate for Henry Ford to use." "I'll meet you at the battle of Waterloo next Tuesday." -- Larry Niven
It has been a whiled once i watched The Orville... though the episode where Bortis and Clyden get hooked on cigarettes made me laugh the whole episode.
I love that they got Kassidy Yates as the doctor for the Orville.
It’s been a long time since anybody has seen The Orville. The last episode of Season 2 was released about 2 years ago. (04/25/2019). Supposedly, there will be a third “season” comprised of eleven episodes which will stream exclusively on Hulu at some point in late 2021.
Of all the things that The Orville borrows from Star Trek I wish one of them was the way they would produce over 20 episodes a Season. In fact, “Star Trek: The Next Generation” routinely produced 26 episode seasons. The shortest season was the second which consisted of “only” 22 episodes due to a Writer’s Strike. Also, the longest gap between seasons was three months. Ah, well: “Yesterday, and Yesterday, and Yesterday”!
@@lovetheblue6659 yeah, I think the general consensus has shifted from quantity or size of product to quality of product, and I'm not very mad at that. Would I love to get 24 episode seasons back? Sure, but not if they're gonna be the same production quality as they were. The 10 - 13 episode per season shows have set a high bar with the quality of their production and content, and I wouldn't trade it for more episodes, personally.
I hope they bring Avery Brooks in as Dr. Finn's ex, that would be great.
I love these tie ins. It’s easy to tell that these tributes to Star Trek are done with profound respect, diligence and humor.
I laughed out loud when Bortus was going to sing My Heart Will Go On and he aggressively yells out “You will be silent!”
I was actually exited to hear him sing
Same x or when he was addicted to cigarettes x
My favorite Bortus episode was when he got addicted to cigarettes...oh my WOW... That episode has me rolling !
Honestly, Paramount should just give Seth McFarlane his own real star trek series and let him do what he wants with it. It would still be better than Discovery.
Really? You're not very well educated are you?
Don’t take it personally guy
Discovery is like the kid at school who is just a wee bit different. Guess what happens? Yes the other children simply bully him. Sick isn't it? But oddly they somehow feel good doing it.
Although you mentioned, "If the Stars Should Appear," you neglected to mention it has almost the same plotline as the ST:TOS episode, "For the World is Hollow and I have Touched the Sky."
And they did that episode much better than Star Trek S3 did. However, like The Cage, that is an old Science Fiction plotline going back to Heinlein and earlier.
The Starlost, a Canadian series of the 70s pitched by Cornwainer Bird (Harlan Ellison) was an entire series based on the generational space ark thinking they were on a planet. Doctor Who did it often. Hitchhikers Guide did it somewhat comically.
Lost in Space did a space zoo collecting people before Star Trek aired. "The Keeper" was their big S1 episode with a big first-rate. The Cage itself was derivative of "People are Alike All Over" in Twilight Zone 1961 with Susan Oliver in the same role.
TV is a constant rerun.
I was actually shocked that one was glossed over. Likewise Road Not Taken is more than a passing nod to Yesterday's Enterprise, and its predecessor/setup has echoes of Second Chances. Retepsian pheremones also hint at Elaan of Troyius or the Deltans
The Orville can borrow from 7 of 9 anytime, anywhere, Jeri Ryan is stunning.
"Hic. Ah 7 of mine" Jeffrey Combs as a drunk ambassador
@@jacksonestacado7409 The drunk ambassador was played by Scott Thompson from "Kids in the Hall" Jeffrey Combs only role on voyager was the guy who ran the Tsunkatse fights.
11:44 There was also a similar situation in Stargate SG-1 (which predates both of your references) where an Alien with Psychogenic pheromones convinces SG-1 that he's a member of their team named Lieutenant Tyler.
"But I'm not a member of your team."
"Coulda fooled me. Actually, you did."
Hmm you right. Has this become a thing? That everytime someone is called "Tyler" its could be an impostor of some sort?
Ash or Jose?
And... now this reminds me of that time both Voyager and Stargate had crewmembers take part in a similar "race in space".
I love this video. In a homage to Star trek, you forgot to mention that they have been several episodes of the , "Orville ", that were directed by Jonathan Frakes,(Captain William Riker, ST TNG/ PICARD) and the actress that plays Dr. Finn ( Penny Johnson Jerald)was actually a regular Star trek DS9 regular. She played Captain Ben Sisko's love interest, Kasidy Yates.
Penny Johnson Jerald, in addition to playing Kassidy Yates Sisko, was also in one episode of TNG (7x13 "Homeward"), where she played Dobara, the Boraalan love interest and baby mama of Worf's foster brother Nikolai Rozhenko.
[She also played alongside Will "Captain Kirk" Shatner in one episode of T.J. Hooker, but I guess we're kinda straying far with that one... ;)]
I really like the S2 E3 "Home", and "calling back" actors Robert Picardo and John Billingsley added a nice recollection of the various incarnations of the Star Trek franchise that were the reason I am so happy to see The Orville keep that fun going!
Yess i was really confused about john billingsley mainly because i recognized him from star trek but couldn’t place him. Robert Picardo was a bit easier mainly due to series longevity. We simply saw more of Robert picardo’s doctor than we did of John’s doctor
also the fact the Picardo and Billingsley's characters were boh doctors and the characters they played on The Orville were supossedly an intellectually advanced species. I saw as an homage to their ST characted and not just as being guest stars.
I always thought the Krill seemed to be a callback to the Jem'Hadar.
Me too! That's exactly what I thought the first time I saw them. And their spiritualism is taken directly from the Bajorans.
I love the Orville, Star Trek and the fact that you keep this magic alive through your RUclips station! Thank you!
On a Nuclear Submarine "Coolant leak" is a very big deal, or rather "Primary coolant leak", which is probably where the writers got the phrase, without knowing what it means in context
Seth has restored our faith in Star Trek. Here’s to The Orville, Live Long and Prosper.
Seth is definitely not exactly the guy to save the trek franchise. His mind is out in left field. He always seems unfocused.
Fuck that. Discovery, Picard, and Lower Decks have restored my faith. Orville is proof family guy ran out of ideas
@@Ottophil family guy had ideas?
@@Ottophil I like the Orville but you are right. They haven't had many new ideas at all, mostly retellings of star trek episodes with added humor.
They even have a young black lieutenant serving as helmsman who gets promoted to chief engineer. I'm surprised he didn't have a visor.
@@Bitchslapper316 did you enjoy the new series? definitely trying to take things further
This has got to be the best new Star Trek (OK, not Star Trek). Seth McFarland is so busy making a warm tribute to the show that he forgets to do jokes. He's done episodes that are more Star Trek than actual episodes of Star Trek are. You've already pointed out some of my favorites.
The one that really stuck with me was the one where one of their scientists was condemned to be executed because he was so distracted by his work he didn't notice a pregnant woman standing in the aisle near his seat on the 'subway.' Someone took a picture and described him as a heartless brute and it went viral. Their justice system is based on social media likes and dislikes. I'm not certain there were any jokes at all in that one.
Every time I watch an episode I'm reminded of the very best of Star Trek.
I remember that episode! Reminded me exactly of that 'Black Mirror' episode of a society based solely on social media 'likes'.
The Orville was always meant to be a Spiritual Successor/Homage to Star Trek, because Seth McFarlane is a huge fan of Star Trek. That's why he's had almost all the members of TNG make guest-appearances on Family Guy. It's why he got Patrick Stewart to appear as a regular, recurring role on American Dad.
It's why he cast Penny Johnson Jerald to play as Dr. Clair Finn; Penny is a Star Trek Alumni who played Captain Sisko's primary love-interest on DS9. He also cast Robert Picardo to play the role of Alara's father; Robert was the Doctor on Star Trek Voyager, and Alara's Mother, Molly Hagan, made an appearance in a Season 2 Episode of DS9, "The Jem'Hadar."
And I'm about 99.9% sure that Episode 4 of The Orville in Season 1, was directed by Jonathan Frakes (Commander Will Riker). Seth McFarlane was also in an episode of Star Trek Enterprise, I believe? So, not at all surprising that the man would draw inspiration from arguably the greatest Sci-Fi franchise in History.
I love Orville, I hope it continues for many seasons.
I agree. "The Orville" is the better Star Trek in our time. Even Patrick Steward cannot save the convoluted writing of "Picard", and "Discovery" completely throws overboard the basic theme at the core of Trek: a bright future worth working for, a Utopia worth fighting for. The writers of current Trek do not seem to understand that this gritty, dark and moody fad that pop culture is experiencing momentarily does not work for a franchise based on the *optimism* that humanity can overcome its pointless quarrels and pull together, for everyone's benefit.
So basically, they cut out the heart of Star Trek and then go around wondering why any fan would call their version heartless.
Amen
Hear, hear! I completely agree.
you might want to recant your comment since Strange New Worlds has come out. :) BTW I love the Orville. It is an awesome show.
@@albertogonzalez2203 People have given up on the new shows permanently. I'm an electrical engineer in Silicon Valley, nobody I know spends anytime watching the new shows. Many of us saw one or two of them, but it's just kind of disgusting. It's a complete inversion. It's basically saying that the future is a dystopia, and what engineer wants to think they are building that?
I was always hesitant to watch The Orville because I thought it was making fun of Star Trek because of Seth Macfarlane's usual comedy style stuff. I was so pleasantly surprised when I watched it and it IMMEDIATELY became a favorite. So well made!
Well done! This was an excellent analysis with multiple relevant examples which included the corresponding relevant videos. Excellent.
The Orville----------- I never thought I'd see a spaceship that looked like a warp speed toilet seat.
I smiled at Mercer's statement "May the force be with you." which is a homage to a different popular series.
Used to not be a McFarlane fan (animated TV shows & movies like "Ted" do not speak to me - & forget about Oscar hosting!!!).
But when I learned he could sing very well & loved the Big Band style oldies & I warmed a bit.
Then came The Orville. I have always been a HUGE Trekkie & while there are no doubt many more references to the originals what I love is the tongue placed firmly in cheek. Seth's humor is abundant & has matured (although the 2nd season took a darker turn). I can hardly wait for Season 3...
11:18 - Blink of an Eye. They did not send the Doctor to guide them. he was sent purely as a reconnaissance mission, but due to an error, he was there for 3 years. He just integrated himself into that society over that time frame.
Original idea for Comand Performance is from Twilight Zone episode People Are Alike All Over. The idea that aliens might place us in a zoo-like animals.
The Orville couldn’t decide whether it wanted to be funny or serious. I’m glad it failed.
I always assumed that the economics of the Federation came about due to the invention of the replicator. If you can create anything out of thin air, supply and demand become meaningless because the supply of anything is infinite. In a post-scarcity world, there's no need for money.
Yes, unfortunately some people still just want power.
The Orville was great, but there was really only ONE time it borrowed from Star Trek: The total existence of the show. Every episode was some sort of homage to a Star Trek situation.
Really? I can't see any resemblance at all. ;)
um the entire story of treating Alara so she could acclimate to the different gravity came directly from the DS9 episode Melora about an officer named Melora from a low gravity planet that Dr. Bashir devises treatments for so she can live comfortibly in normal gravity but is also told she can never return home if she completes treatment.
Do you think giving Alara superhuman strength is similar to Tasha Yarr being much stronger than average?
@@keithkeyser9546 possibly
@@keithkeyser9546 I think giving Alara super strength was a direct result of her looking exactly like a Vulcan who in the star trek universe are 5x stronger then a human.
@@Bitchslapper316 i tried watching the original series. Early on they kept giving spock more and more powers.
@@keithkeyser9546 Yeah, lol. If you watch the pilot he actually looks like a devil, like intentionally demonic.
Just as The Orville borrowed ideas from Star Trek, Star Trek borrowed ideas from earlier sci fi books and comics.
My suggestion for an Orville holodeck villain: a super intelligent evil scientist played by Neil De Grasse Tyson. They’d have to spend a lot of time getting takes without anyone laughing or giggling uncontrollably, but who would expect Tyson to be just a comic book villain?
Nobody who is on twitter would buy NDT as super intelligent.
Michael Dorn 'Worf' is actually very funny
This video was a fantastically spent 16 minutes...mixing my favourite sci fi movies & TV series.
Since The Orville went on to Hulu, l have missed this series greatly, and your video immersed me back into the genre. Thank you.
It's weird how Doctor McCoy and the dude at the bar whose ship he's trying to charter to the Genesis Planet in Star Trek 3 The Search for Spock know damn well what money is.
I think when the lady tricked the captain with a romantic relationship is a callback to Voyager where Seska did the same thing to Chakotay and turned out to be Cardassian spy
Or any of the times this happend to Kirk. The Honey Trap is a much older concept than Star Trek :)
You mention "If the Stars should appear" but not that it is pretty much based on "For the Earth is Hollow and I have Touched the Sky".
The Orville S2 "Identity" borrowed elements from TNG "Best of Both Worlds" for it's central conflict. But the way the battle is wrapped up reminds me of to the space battle of Operation Return in DS9 "Sacrifice of Angels".
The episode "Into the Fold" where Isaac cares for Dr Finn's 2 boys after their shuttle crashes is reminiscent of Voy "Innocence" where Tuvok cares for some alien children.
I think a shorter list would be the time the Orville did something new and interesting that wasn't a direct call back to star trek.
Thank you so much for this video I think you did a great job. I am a big fan of The Orville as well a life time Trecker I think you nailed it saying the new Star Trek is just not that good and The Orville just brings us back to great writing and great stories about the crew and the laughs are just enough to make an awesome series
Thank you for the kind words and for watching :)
Money was used in the original Trek series. For example, in The Trouble with Tribbles, they mention a number of credits Uhura would have to pay for the tribbles before Cyrano decides she can have the sample for free.
Even the Cage idea was copied from the black & white The Twilight Zone - People Are Alike All Over :-)
Matt Frewer did an outstanding job as Berlinghoff Rasmussen. A very underrated actor! Popular in the 80's as *Max Headroom*
Loved his short lived show Doctor Doctor.
what about individual episodes? like the social media episode where everybody has a up and down like button on their shirt, did they get that from somewhere? that episode was soooooo brilliant, i like the horoscope episode too, and the giant broken colony ship where people forgot it was a ship, and the one they think kelly is the god of healing, or the one alara loses her strength they were all sooo good
Matt Fruer's character Matter of Time, was actually from TNG's past were he killed the original pilot of the time craft, and couldn't control when the ship jumped in time except back to his own time where he marketed future tech as his own creations.
Yes.. there was no reason to take the Enterprise's tech to the future.
The past was where the dollars were for those items
Time dilation is also used in a Gene Kelly movie (whose name escapes me) where a whole town disappears for years and reappears for a limited time.
Brigadoon
@@bermgram7271 That’s it!! Thank u.
Absolutely loved the Orville, glad to see a third season on the way. Big former Star Trek fan, and this really hits the spot.
2 episodes in I am sadly unamused. It hasn't, for me, shown that 'spark' the show had beforehand and I fear they tried TOO hard to be it's own thing. It's just 2 eps in for a 12 ep season or w/e so we'll see but I feel a little let down kinda' like seeing middle seasons of Scrubs. I wonder if a fourth season will be made, I hope so.
@@pdraggy Yeah, the first few eps have not been great
@@evilmiera Other episodes was! Season 3 is awesome!
@@pdraggy I felt the same but really enjoyed the rest of the season. the episodes felt too long, but some good laughs and entertainment.
u mentioned captain romance with impostor infiltrator krill, voyager also had impostor ilfiltrator who had hots for Chakotay, namely Seska everyones favourite Cardassian spy who fooled even tuvok.
yes! I remember Chakotay asking Tuvok, "Was anyone on my ship working for me?"
This first episode was like the Twilight Zone episode "People Are Alike All Over" much more than "The Cage."
You get a coke.
It seemed obvious that GR was borrowing from that episode also, even to cast Susan Oliver in the same role.
The story is pretty old in fantasy and science fiction.
La Forge's throwaway line that got used over and over again was "starboard power coupling is down". It got to a point where my friends and I would listen out for it appearing in an episode.
Bortus and the mustache fkn cracked me up, same with his smoking habit. One of the best characters ever! The great piss as well lol.... It's just like waiting for a new episode of the next generation back in the day, you can't wait for it!
Bortus makes me laugh so much. :)
...or laying an egg.....
Looking like a great channel so far! Interesting subjects with lots of research and info which makes for well written scripts, you just need to polish up your presentation ( talk a little slower for example) and then you're there.
There are other Robin Williams links to both shows. Robin William's space uniform costume from "Mork and Mindy" was previously Colonel Green's costume in the TOS episode "The Savage Curtain". And the season 3 flashbacks of the origins of the Kaylon took clear influence from Williams' film "Bicentennial Man".
12:00 Yeah, that twist was a big 'oof' moment for the captain and I felt his pain, especially as you say, the show has shown his level of loneliness throughout the season.
@2:44 along with the TNG and VOY episodes you mentioned, also recall the MEH on Voyager had a beautiful story about his holographic family. Again, at first it is just for research and again EMH has advice from crew members etc, and similar story line to A Happy refrain.
A friend introduced me to The Orville and I am currently working my way through the past episodes.
the only problem that The Orville has...The Orville CAN NOT beam down any members. But any Star Trek ship can...why is that??
Because of the 'invention' of the transporter...Roddenberry got credit for his scientific genius,while the earliest transporter 'sighting' I have is the 1930s Buck Rogers In The 25th Century cliffhanger serial starring Buster Crabbe.Buck,our 20th.century hero,awakes in the future where he sees and experiences many wonderful things..one of which is 'the transporter'.When he asks for an explanation as to how it works...word for word the exact same speech shows up in Star Trek 30+ years later and..wow..Gene Roddenberry has done it again.
Season 2 Ep 14 The Road Not Taken. This is an alternate timeline that was created due to an action not taken that should have been. This is similar to TNG "Yesterday's Enterprise" where the Enterprise C was taken out of time. That caused the Klingons to feel the Federation were cowards and caused the Federation to be in a losing war in the modern times. Just as the Orville tried to wipe Kelly's mind of her action (didn't work). She changed her action (going out with Ed again). That caused Ed and the crew NOT to be on the Orville and to change how Isaac sees humanity. When the Kalan attacked Earth, they ended up wining putting the "Federation" into a losing war.
Great video. I didn't realize the number of similarities of specific episodes that were very similar to Star Trek Episodes.
Thanks for the kind words, and for watching :)
Love your videos, keep them up.
Thank you so much :)
Entertaining and informative. Later Star Trek stole ideas from Babylon Five and even Stargate, with writers re-doing their episodes on other shows!
They missed the fact that, not only did Seth MacFarland have a recurring role in a Star Trek series, but so did the Orville's doctor, Penny Johnson Jerald. She played Kassidy Yates,the lady who would eventually become Benjamin Sisco's wife on Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. And she appeared in a smaller role on The Next Generation.
Get out, she was on TNG?! What episode?...cool, if it's true
A final season episode titled Homeward.
So first off, Dr. Bashir's father is the lead scientist in the pilot for the Orville, and 'The Cage' was borrowed by Trek from a Science Fiction writers short story. I don't know their name or the name of their story but this is true.
It is only after watching the part with Isaac did I realize you meant plot points, not actors
Personally I love TO…has anyone noticed the orchestration and basic chord structure of the theme song is very similar to The Motion Picture theme?
I really don't have a problem with this. Star Trek had been circling the toilet drain for a long time, until The Orville came along.
Also I've watched Star Trek Lower Decks. It's a lot more "Family Guy In Space" than The Orville ever was.
In my book The Orville has become the real Star Trek.
Agreed. I still pray for the return of real trek. With the money CBS has been loosing and the execs saying to do what it takes to get strange new worlds back to star treks root combined with q coming in Picard. I'm hoping they can kind of delete the Kelvin/discovery universe all together. But not counting on it. Star trek has broken my heart 1 too many times lol
In Star Trek TOS, the Federation did use "credits" as a form of currency. Look at The Trouble with Tribbles, where the Tribbles are sold for credits, until they overbreed and become a nuisance. It was the Next Generation that eliminated money for the Federation. By then Roddenberry was an "executive" producer, and not active in directing the show.🖖
When I saw the title of this video, my first thought was "only ten?"
LOL ! :)
J. Lee's character John LaMarr seems to be a nod to LeVar Burton's character Geordi La Forge. Initially an insignificant bridge crew member, he is quickly promoted to chief engineer and becomes invaluable to the welfare of the ship. There seems to be something going on with his name too. It's unusual to have a capital letter in the middle of a name (with the exception of Mac and Mc names), although not completely unheard of. "LeVar" and "La Forge" both seem to contribute something to "LaMarr".
What about near the end of the season 2 when Marina Sirtis appeared as a teacher on the Orrville? The episodes with the onboard school could be seen as taken from Star Trek. Such as the Orrville's chief doctor's son getting into trouble at school which is similar to Worf's son (Alexander) doing the same. And there were more time in Star Trek: the original Series that are shared with Orrville as well. Like how Spock and the Romulan captain had some interpersonal time and was similar to the captain's loneliness.
"Blink of an Eye" is based on the novel "Dragon's Egg" by Robert L Forward. So Orville's similar plot might be reusing the idea directly, not borrowing from Star Trek.
What about the John Lamarr Geordi LaForge parallel. Both were navigators/helmsman in season 1 before being promoted to chief engineer for season 2.
Even though its definitely star trek that influenced Orville, I feel like Red Dwarf has some subtle inspirations too, 1 being Isaac and Kryten, both their arcs contain them trying to understand emotions, another just being that Orville and Red Dwarf bring humour to space exploration, it's like Orville is Red Dwarf but set during the 1million year Lister is in Cryo sleep, all this typing and I'm pretty sure people from the US have no clue what Red Dwarf is haha
I'll give you a nerdy answer that nobody else will think of. The Orville actually copies the warp engines from Star Trek. Rodenberry had a rule for building ships, which included the Klingon and Romulan ships as well, and it was that the nacelles needed to be in pairs, and not interrupted by the hull. That's why the Enterprise has a funny shape. The nacelles actually created a warp field in-between them, and that is what propelled the ship. When Roddenberry died, the creators never understood this and treated the nacelles as space jet engines. They started breaking all the rules by designing ships with odd-numbered nacelles and/or with the hull in the middle, where the warp field needed to be. In the Orville, the quantum engines are a physical representation of completing the loops between the nacelles, so to speak. It visually shows the functionally that the late Roddenberry intended.
The Moclus myriad batshit crazy customs are also a running gag about how wildly inconsistent the Klingon's can be depending on what daft nonsense the writers added to their mythology over the years.
I think star trek fans liked it because it honored star trek and had funny things in it, without making a complete joke out of it. it has its serious moments, compelling moments, laughing moments without mocking star trek.
Airing almost *exactly* 30 years apart (plus 1 week): nearly identical plots of 'Lonely Among Us' (ep.7 TNG) and 'Cupid's Dagger' (ep.9 The Orville).
That's too bad about Robin Williams. If he was such a huge fan they should have found another way to get him in an episode.
He was a very overrated actor imo I wasn’t a fan, sorry.
The fact that Robin Williams was unavailable to play his character in an episode of Star Trek is perhaps the most catastrophic misfortune ever. Period.
How about you mention the two series that were stolen by Star Trek. DS9 and Discovery. DS9 was stolen from j. Michael Straczynski who tried to sell Babylon 5 to paramount and within a year or two DS9 was announced and Discovery was a complete rip off of a video game right down to character looks called tardigrade that was made by a man in the middle east.
Speaking of borrowed: the episode Patterns of Force did not air in Germany until 2011, for obvious reasons. It was shown in the 90's on Austrian TV, which was the first time the episode aired in a German speaking country.
And a fun fact about Amok Time: when it first aired in Germany in the 70's, they did not like the idea of alien mating rituals. Mainly because Star Trek was mistaken as a kids show. As a result, the entire plot was changed in the translation: Spock has space fever. Needless to say, it didn't make much sense.
Isaac wasn't a combo of Data and Seven.
It was Data plus the sentient androids Voyager found and accidentally helped to continue their war after they destroyed their builders.
Let Tyler was based on Seska as far as I can tell.
Very detailed and informative
Thanks so much for the kind words and for watching :)
8:13 "Coolant leak" really means nothing?
Let the coolant (radiator fluid) leak out of your car's coolant system, see what happens.
Let the coolant leak out of a nuclear facility, see what happens. (Fukushima, anyone?)
Just because it means nothing to the actor doesn't mean the writers didn't know what they were talking about, or the fans.
get in a big tank and let it fill up with hot radiator fluid, then you'll see the danger in it. Pretty sure they used more than a gallon or two of coolant in those systems.
Yeah there's a abundance of meaningless technobabble in trek. The coolant leak wasn't the best example.
on of my fave is how the Krill vessels bear more than a passing resemblance to Romulan v'melak class.
Had 2 ideas for the Orville for its first season. The first episode was the beauty shot of the ship in drydock and Scott Grimes turns to seth and comments on the ship and asks her name, proudly seth grins and says "it's the Orville. You know named after the author of moby dick" there's a pause and Scott Grimes says "that's melville" Seth facepalms and curses as the ship drifts by before the title card. Imagine the shot of them behind showing off the cgi then a shot of them from the front exchanging lines then return to the empire strikes back looking out the window but seth creases up that kinda deal
The second is a backward space seed homage where they recover a pod containing matt Berry the British comedian who is playing a captain from. The "future" or as he puts it "the few chairrrr" who usuurps his command and nearly brings the ship to ruin. He's actually a eugenics experiment from the past went wrong and embarrassed, blasted into space where he'd do no harm. Ironically he does more harm the deception is revealed in the last act. He "out ranks" seth because he is a major captain a title from the future that outranks Seth invented during an argument and the crew go along with it and seth is consigned to quarters for getting "a bit leary" Seth protests that it's absurd but bortas firmly replies " sorry but I have to deferr to the major captain" and seth is incredulous. Issac confronts Berry in his quarters and defeated Berry says "oh look out robot man behind you" Issac is not fooled. Berry dramatically confesses defeat and explains his shame "all the evidence is in that bag down there" and points. Issac goes to pick it up and Berry smacks him with a monkey wrench. The episode would have introduced the holodeck where major captain Berry decides to have a cultural exchange with bortas. It's called a pub. Seth meets with his xo wearing a false moustache visiting "the pub" and explains his conserns and organises a coup. The only one who laments berry's loss is Scott Grimes whom appears on bridge with Berry one shift drunk and singing a soccor chant and is a flashback when seth asks "has anything seemed odd to you since the major captain arrived". The distress call that was garbled is cleared up by seth and its a short film sending up stranger things where Berry is trying to crush a coke can with his mind wearing a science thingy on his head, but he gives up and looking to the two labcoat doctors shrugs and says "nah can't do it me ol mucker, can I get another soda though, Im mad thirsty. The labcoats shake thier heads with clipboards And then the message repeats do not open this pod. It is an embarrassment to human progress"
On the subject of the zoo and cage episodes, if memory serves in Trek travel to that planet only happens after the incident in the pilot, so Captain Pike wasn’t violating the law in going there. In The Cage Spock hijacked the ship, so Kirk wasn’t the one going there against the law.
Here's one: "Familly" ST:TNG , featuring a visit from Worf's adoptive parents.
I loved seeing the doctor from Voyager duking it out with the doctor from Enterprise.
There is one episode that I remember in the Original Star Trek where Scott is impressed with a vessel that has Ion propulsion. This next one has nothing to do with the above video: Did anyone notice that Seven from Voyager may have been named after the character called " Gary Seven" in the original Star Trek episode: Assignment: Earth.
Actually 7 of 9 was a reference to a 1960's TV show: My Living Doll. It was about socializing a female android named AF709. 👧 🤖 🖖
@@ghostrider88jinetedelfanta31 I didn't know that. Thanks
@@alexgrey5975 I've vaguely remember My Living Doll, running in the mid-60's contemporary with Bewitched & I Dream of Jeannie, it was only one season. I've NEVER seen it in syndication. Lord knows where the creators of 7 of 9, ran across it. Maybe a VHS 📼/DVD💿box set. 📦 BTW AF709's character resembled Data, she also is trying to learn to be human 🤖>💃
The exterior for the lab in Happy Arbor Day, was also The Sabre building in The Office, and a police station in Demolition Man
There's also an episode of The Orville that pays honor to an episode of TNG, Enterprise, and, to an extent, Voyager.
In the episode titled Majority Rule John gets into trouble for performing a lewd act as a joke, unaware that the society that they are visiting is dependent on social media, and the statue he performs on is a cherished icon.
Their punishment if he reaches one million votes is to be "correction which will damage his brain severely.
It's similar to an episode of TNG in which Wesley is sentenced to death for accidentally damaging some plants, and an episode of Enterprise titled A Night in Sickbay in which Captain Archer's.beloved beagle Port hos is injected with a deadly virus because, while visiting a hostile civilization, Porthos, doing what dogs do, relieved himself on a cherished plant.
Also, in Voyager's.episode Justice B'eLanna is charged with having violent thoughts that accidentally get transferred to a member of a civilization that they were visiting for supplies.
Her punishment, removal of all violent thoughts, which may also damage her brain.
You should also do a million times the Orville borrowed from the 20th/21st century.
I love both shows and it's fun to spot says in which the Orville borrows from Star Trek storylines. When Bortus is stabbed by Klydon by way of divorce reminder me of when Worf tried to stab his brother on DS9 to save his honour. In both storylines the victim is saved and the captain's struggle to understand the culture which allows murder.
The Orville is more star Trek than all Star Trek shows since TNG. It has borrowed countless times from Trek, beginning with it's entire premise. Seth claims it's an amalgam of many sci-fi shows he watched. I see nothing but Trek. What we need is a list of 10 time The Orville borrowed from something OTHER than Star Trek
The similarity between the imposter on orville and ashe on discovery is unlikely as they would have released too close together to be copies of each other. That Orville episode is more likely to be a nod towards the Voyager arc that includes Seska, who is the Cardassian disguised as a Bajoran who seduces Chakotay.
I'm sorry, but I can't agree with the characterization of pon farr as ridiculous. I admit that I thought it somewhat extreme, back in the sixties, but it has never struck me as particularly far-fetched that a race which has managed to nearly totally subjugate emotion to reason would have a cyclical regression. Jaloja, on the other hand, is utterly ridiculous, and I certainly hope that was McFarlane's intent. The idea that a non-sessile living creature that frequently eats and drinks would only have a metabolism that only has the need to urinate once a year is just preposterous. They didn't even try to make it look plausible by having Bortus' not inconsiderable girth diminish noticeably.
One of my favorite things about Orville is that as it progressed, it took itself more seriously. Like you, I found myself looking forward to each episode of The Orville rather than those of the first season of ST: Discovery (or ST:D). "Discovery" did well to distance itself from the madeover Klingons, etc., take itself into the future (thereby avoiding all sorts of mayhem to the 'lore', and spin-off the series with Captain Pike which is more faithful.
Waiting for the day that a ship which is bigger in the inside appears or a crew member gets hurt and regenerate into a different appearance.
Star Trek Discovery was not created when the episode of Lt. Tyler and Cpt. Mercer was aired.
The first episode of Discovery Aired Sep 2017. The Episode We found out that Ash Tyler was Part klingon was aired Jan 2017. The Episode That Tyler tricked Captain mercer on Orvile Aired Jan 2019.
Something that always bothered me, was how Bortis' child (I forget the name) went from a newborn baby to like 12 years old, seemingly overnight. And it's never explained or mentioned.
I'm still wondering how said child
came out of Bortis. Lieutenant
Lamar theorized that the only place
the egg could've possibly come out
of, was his butt. Considering how
an all male race has intercourse, I
don't think that's a "STRETCH"!~lol
@@johnburla Bortis literally laid an egg. 🤣