@@SSGoatanks Bulloney. People are sick and tired of making BIG OIL and the Arabs at OPEC Rich and Powerful while getting their Gasoline and Diesel Prices JACKED to the Moon anytime a Mouse Farts or there's a kerfuffle in some middle eastern country. BIG OIL is NOT your friend.
The other thing people forget, and especially when it comes to high-end cars like the Maybach, is that servicing and maintenance costs do not depreciate.
Yeah - well that's why the capital depreciation is so insane. On the other hand I had a millionaire uncle who drove a vintage Rolls and was always boasting about how much it was appreciating. And because it's so much simpler than a modern car the servicing was relatively reasonable. You just have to buy a true collector's classic.
@@anthonycondon5833 I think that depends on the model. For example just this weekend I was chatting to a Model T owner and he said parts are plentiful - so there must be more recent and practical cars where parts aren't too tricky?
@@tullochgorum6323 yeah absolutely. I also have some old fords, and they're cheap as chips - either salvage parts or there's still people making brand new stuff. But this merc... It's not even standard merc parts for a lot of it. I recently had to get a small piece of fuel line and by far the cheapest thing was to get someone to make it custom, and that wasn't cheap!
Hey guys, here is a suggestion for future videos like this one. Let these guys write down the price on a paper and after a countdown they have to show it to the camera. This way no ones answer is influenced by the person before.
I just bought a 2017 Passat SE w/Tech with 99,899K for 50% MSRP. I feel better about my purchase since watching this video. Thanks, guys!!!! P.S. I love this car.
And the real appreciation begins at the 20-25 year mark. Think boomers and their muscle cars, millennials and 90’s Japanese sports cars, etc etc the cycle continues.
They can’t last. It’s clear as day look at the studies that have been done about ev’s and what they require. The batteries don’t last forever and can’t be recycled on top of them requiring metals that can easily be mined until they’re all gone. For example cobalt, pretty rare to come by and we do have a good amount of it throughout the world, for now…
Just appreciate they have told you they don't care about their viewers. They view them as garbage, to be exploited, and that's all. RUclips gives you the tools to block them from ever showing up. If enough people took this action and refused to support clickbait, scam nonsense, it would eventually stop. After posting this comment, I will unsubscribe, and block from recommending channel.
I saw your comment and was so ready to stop at 20min mark but decided to watch the whole video myself. You know what? Unsubscribed from here. I fking hate these kinds of clickbate thumbnails.
my buddy trying to get rid of KIA EV, he brought it to KIA dealer. KIA dealer told him it worth $10,000. dude bought it for 60,000 and about 2 years old.
@@thedon897the mustang is a muscle car that’s like Chevy making a EV SUV and calling it a Camaro, I don’t really hate the car but it’s most definitely not a mustang
I freaking love Sandro man 😂🤝🏼 he’s like that chill stoner guy in high school that no one had a problem with and he just minds his own business but talks to everyone
This is how i got a low miles Leaf for $8750 (2016, purchased 2020) -- massive depreciation. It's a reliable commuter with very little maintenance. Most expensive thing was tires at 60k, and they were $400ish installed.
Buddy of mine had an old one, 2012 I think, and just got rid of it this year with 140k miles. It was still driving fine but the range had fallen to like 40 miles on a charge. He bought it cheap and got a lot of use out of it. Upgraded to a Model Y LR.
@@mylesgray3470 I am already planning on end-of-life for the battery, but it still is doing OK. You can get a reman battery for about half what a new one is for the 24 kWh variants with 90+% capacity. The only downside is needing the same PPE to swap as my day job doing industrial and commercial electric among other physical plant activities. The voltage is a bit of an issue.
@@kdawson020279 Might just want to upgrade to a bolt instead of replace leaf battery. They are starting to drop under $10k and have ccs charging and double the range
visiting audi engineers (and some of our master techs) borrowed my bay to do one of the first e-tron battery replacements. Super interesting getting to watch them figure out and document a repair that's only ever been done once or twice
I know right. The best case scenario is you buy a new car and get 20 years and 250k miles out of it then junk it for 350 bucks. Vehicles are transportation consumables at the end of the day.
That's just salesman "pity me" junk. MSRP *at minimum* already has a 15% profit floor for the base/fleet models.floor That salesman just wanted you to pay for their 3-Day weekend vacation. They are the worst of the "step on your neck, on my way up" people/personalities.
I have never seen a Ford Lightning on a dealer lot at $41,769. They've all been 90K+. I remember when I was picking up my Bronco in 2021 the dealership had one on the lot that they wanted $110,000 for.
That's what I was saying.. 41K What? Where? Cuba? Cause no way it wasn't under 70K or more anywhere I saw one. I like the Chevy RST but 105K.. GTFO. That thing better come down to 60K if it wants to sell.
You guys missed the part where it was the Pro base model, which generally is only fleet sales or special ordered. At least the current price implies product quality. -But anything for misinfo, right?-
Guys, i don’t knowabout every state in the US, but here in Canada, government gives cash incentives for buying an electric car, and they give them once only for a car. Meaning, let’s say you bought a Tesla model 3 here in Quebec for 55k Canadian, you will get 5k slashed from the price as a federal incentive, then another 7k cash within a month from Quebec as a province. Meaning you paid 43k+taxes for the car. When you sell it next year for instance, the price will drop from 43k, not the 55, because the buyer knows that you took the incentives, and he won’t get any himself for buying a 1years old car, so your price better be less than 43k, or he is better with a new one. So you must take that into consideration in the price drop, even if you don’t have incentives in your state, the market is flooded with cars from other states and Canada
@@GetThemLyrics Better hope those batteries hold up, because the resale value isn't and those battery packs are probably going to cost you around 10k - 20k a piece to replace. You may not pay anything for maintenance now, but it's more than made up for once you need new batteries.
I have 2 ev ioniq ultimate 2024 and Kona ev ultimate 2024 and i'm in Quebec...i rushed to buy the kona as the prov gvt will decrease what they pay by 2025. And no here ev cars aren't dropping...what is the interests as bank of Canada dropped it and seems will continue to do so
@@upinarms79 your comment makes you look like the idiot tbh. I don’t like Tesla either but people like you just make everyone look dumb lol. Most people get rid of a car before the battery would go bad anyway. Iirc Tesla has an 8 yr warranty on it - which is actually basically the average for how long an American keeps their car.
@@maksskill6715It looks like the blown up reflection of whatever’s beneath the drop of water. Big, bubbly, blue and distorted. Looks like a bloated mustang.
Good call, I didn't notice. I'm glad they can throw in some subtle gems like that, without going overboard with sounds and clips like too many editors do these days.
I was talking to a buddy who works in accounting at carvana and he was saying that what we are seeing now was expected in the industry. No new cars, ICE or EV, are selling well right now. The prices are too high and the mark ups are too much. However, when sales reports are released, they only report new car sales, which is why EVs look like they are tanking. That is because they are overpriced, but ICEs are doing just as poorly because they are also overpriced. The major cause of the decrease in EV sales is that mass adoption has finally created a used market that didn't exist before. He was saying that carvana is the #1 seller of used EV in the country, and they are selling more than ever before. He was saying that instead of looking at release sales metrics, look at adoption rates to get a better picture. More people are driving evs than ever before, so the adoption rate is going up even though new car sales are going down. They just aren't buying new. Moral of the story, people are willing to spend $15k - $40k on a car, EV or ICE, not $50k - $75k.
@@paddington1670 EV batteries can hold up much longer than most people expect. 300.000 miles and over 10 years of ownership are perfectly doable. Even then you have maybe only 85% of the capacity left, which is still enough for daily driving for most people. Full out battery failures are super rare.
@paddington1670. Two points about that. First, look at the research in regard to EV battery life. In the actual published articles, most of the EV batteries that needed to be replaced came from early Gen 1 batteries. Batteries have advanced a lot since then. Even including those older batteries, less than 1% of all ev batteries have ever needed to be replaced. Second, like most things, buying an EV is a math problem. I own an ev and will be the first to tell you they are not for everyone. Do you tow? Is it your only car? Do you road trip often? Most importantly, will you rely on the public charger system. If you answer is yes to any of those, don't get an EV. If you pass those, then do the math. Determine how much you kwh charge is in your area, tax rebates, incentives,milage. Determine if the EV is worth it for you. In our case I commute about 90 miles a day. We did the math and I was spending about $450 a month with my old truck in gas. The tesla would be about $50 a month in power, but we have solar panels so its free. We charge at home and insurance only went up $50 a month for us. So it made sense. I'm saving almost $400 a month, but the math worked out for me. EVs are just like any other tool. They have a time and place. Figure out if the cost works for you.
The infrastructure on them sucks, their repairability also sucks, and their energy usage has such high variables depending on the weather and load compared to an ICE car, oh yeah and they're insurance rates are very high, and youre also paying a premium on those tires that also wear out faster than ICE vehicle tires
Chevy really fucked up when they discontinued the Volt. Gas or diesel electric hybrids are definitely the way to go until we can come up with a better battery chemistry than what we currently have.
I test-drove a Volt and really liked it. Comfortable, plenty of punch, nice to look at. But there just weren't that many people willing to pay $40K for a semi-electrified Cruze.
As someone who has dailied a Volt a bit, yes. I love the idea that one day I might see a cheap one, and shove a newer battery type in there with a BMS..
I kinda think they effed the volt from the get go. Look up the Chevy Volt concept. That thing looked amazing. The production version was almost a slap in the face compared to what was conceptualized. I think that’s part of what led to the downfall. Just my opinion though.
@@goracks69 Pretty much (almost) all concepts vs market versions are like that. Once the bean counters get their mitts on the papers it all goes south.
EV prices are dropping like crazy! For example, the Lucid Air Grand Touring has an MSRP of $125k, but you can find a used one with just 2k miles for $45k. It's wild to think someone paid or would pay $250k for the Lucid Sapphire.
Expensive prices are dropping like crazy* I love how people who have never looked at the high-end car market are finally being exposed to what happens. Go look at S63 or S65 AMG models. They lose $100k+ in a matter of years. Look at a used 7-series. All $100k+ cars, worth less than half that after only a short time.
where are you finding a 2k mile Lucid GT for 45k? From what I see you can find 30k mile one for like 64k~ with lower mileage ones in the high 60s, still bad but not as awful on depreciation as you said
I have been waiting for one of these series for quite some time now and I think that they are one of the best you do. And the fact that Sandro is slowly creeping into other themes than the mechanic reacts just to slowly take over your channel without you even noticing is just a cherry on top. :-)
I met Justin's twin brother James at a random little car meet in Raleigh a few months ago. Of course I thought it was Justin, but man it was cool meeting him too because he's just as enthusiastic about cars and apparently pops up at car meets in the area all the time. (His IG/youtube channels are Car-Nivores)
I’m biased as I have a 2022 Mach-E GT pretty much identical to the one in the video (mine doesn’t have the performance pack, so 30 less tq and no magnetic dampers, but longer range), but I think that depreciation is heavily region dependent, I see them selling for the low $40k range here on the west coast. I’m not surprised the Midwest would see especially steep EV depreciation as early adopters realize the range and infrastructure around there isn’t what they might have expected. Also have to note that while the MSRP might be $70k, it qualified for the $7500 tax credit in 2022, and Illinois has a $4k state EV rebate, so excluding sales tax, it was really a $58k car overall. None of that matters to me though as we’ve been really pleased with it and will keep it for many years to come, so depreciation would have bottomed out for any car by that point.
Lots of folks are going to get great deals on EVs and it'll only increase EV adoption. This is a good thing which happens with most new emerging tech. Early adopters pay a premium to be first, they help iron out the kinks/bugs, then the price drops as production ramps up/first gen models get resold, and soon the new tech is priced accordingly as the market settles down.
This reminds me of that simpsons scene where, i think, matge wont let homer drive while drinking, so he just drives between sips and stopping his car every 25ft 😂
I think this was a little biased maybe... Cause the ICE engine cars were all old or luxury cars, in one case both, which are huge factors for depreciation. I think something fair would've been to point out the depreciation per year for every car, because saying the Maybach depreciated 311000 dollars in 20 years (~15500 per year) is nowhere as terrible as the EVs losing over half their value in one year...
For stuff like this, the depreciation _per year_ is a more interesting metric. 51% depreciation in one year (Tesla) is way crazier than 54% in two years (Audi).
They presented false information. Plaid was $130k when it released in 2021. The price for a new one had steadily dropped to under $100k for a new one. A 2023 model would have been ~$90k new, so about a $26k loss which is ~29% if their $64k listing is legit. Not great but not nearly as bad at they are trying to lead you to believe. I don’t understand their motive.
@@paddington1670 as someone who wears glasses, they’re going to slide no matter what if you have oily skin. It shouldn’t be a pet peeve of yours, it’s not something that most people can help
@@DannyDevitoOffical-TrustMeBro ive been wearing glasses for 20 years and ive never once had to adjust my glasses, i dont wear glasses that Bubbles wears on Trailer Park boys but people poking their middle spoke of their glasses is annoying as sin. Get glasses that fit, or make them fit with a heat gun.
Damn thanks for the heads up ...I was gonna find a zoomies and maybe still will just cuz donut .. but deezamn , that price hurt my feelings ... that's like what I usta pay for friggen sub zero gear (not the badass mortal kombat guy but the tempature 😅)
@@Mega_TROH_nus yeah fr I feel like the last time I shopped at Zumiez was when I was like 19 or 20 I just feel like it isn’t the right store for their audience.
@@mastercricket7626 yeah fr when I had no responsibilities and was younger I’d maybe pay that price but half a days work is not going towards a branded shirt not a chance lmao
What this says is those of us who were saying "there needs to be a $25k EV before most normal people will think about buying them" three years ago were right
I just did an AutoTrader search while watching this. In Canada, and Canadian dollars the EQE new is listed $30,000 less than msrp. The Solterra is $10,000 less than msrp. Both of these are new!
I love how they try to show a few gas rigs as proof that gas is also depreciating yet they pick gas cars that are around 20 years old and/or really strange manufacturers. You should do the depreciating rate per year.
The Model S Plaid was a 90k MSRP in 2023 and is 88k right now, also I checked Auto Tempest and the lowest for sale with a clean title and no accident damage is 74k with 33k miles. If you go for the 2021 models than you can find some in the 60k range
It literally wasn't the MSRP for all of 2023. It was lowered later in the cycle. The vast majority of Plaids sold that model year were at the higher MSRP.
People forget some of these cars qualified for $7500 making the bolt euv $21kish for a new one. So dropped to $16k is not that bad compared to $130k vs $70k for the Tesla.
People need to remember that a car is only worth what you're willing to pay/lose on it. I'm not totally sure why some people bank on residual value for their cars. If you can't afford to lose your ass on the car, you can't afford the car.
@WeAreChecking did I say I can't afford the car. I got a 911 and Tesla and still love the Tesla eventhough the value dropped. Was thinking of upgrading to the Plaid S thus was checking my trade in value.
I’m honestly happy to see donut getting more sponsors and partners, I wish all the members do well (getting amazing pay) and keep making the content we love.
Nope. It was never about making them affordable, quite the opposite. The UN and WEF don't want regular people going anywhere at all. It's environmental fascism that only favors the elites.
Ev will be expensive for a while because they are too new. Massive production isn’t there yet, a lot of money is spent on research and design as they are discovering problems with the new technology. They are also targeting people who are willing to take a chance because there is uncertainty and that tends to be people who have money or at least not worried about it. And the electric cars have a lot of computers and technology that raise the prices. Another 10 years, I think it will be much lower.
@@Alphasnowbordergirl EVs are fairly simple machines compared to ICEs. The cost is in the battery. Go to a hardware store and look at the cost of a cordless drill. The tool on it's own isn't expensive, but the battery that powers it costs just as much if not more than the tool itself. They've been mass producing these things for decades.
This is why I only buy "depreciated" cars ~10 years old. Usually still have 8-12 years left with some maintenance and when you adjust for inflation, the actual cost is like 80-85% less than MSRP new.
With EV it makes even more sense as there is no maintenance issues. The only thing that would suck is the battery life. A two or three year depreciates EV would make more sense.
@@xantiom Batteries are more predictable though. With a battery that only has 70% capacity left, you're getting exactly what you're paying for, whereas an engine or transmission with 200k miles can just blow up.
"chevy wont hold its value" ironically the camaro and corvette are one of the slowest depreciating cars out there right next to the porsche 911 and toyota 4runner
We knew this. Dealers got away with the markups when the used market was dry so the manufacturers increased the MSRP because they wanted a piece of it. Now consumers are fed up and wanting to pay the higher MSRP so the vehicles are sitting on dealer lots while the used market is starting to come back down to reasonable levels
Good show guys! Liked the competition and thought processes. This was a bit off, with vehicles from 2022, since that was a "Peak Year" because of shortages of vehicles and parts...so prices were jacked up a ton.
I have a different theory on the price crashes. Most people can't accept that an EV should cost 40% more than the ICE version of a car so the resale prices quickly dump to where people think they should be priced rather than the price the manufacturers thought they were worth.
Not entirely wrong, but it’s maintenance and running costs. Charge your EV at home in a California city and, depending where you live, you might as well drive a 9mpg muscle car. Then there’s the fact that battery’s suck ass. Horrible to replace, few work on them, no way to DIY at home and a litany of other problems. EVs are boomer bullshit, and the market reflects this. Can’t wait for EV to become a thing of the past for a second time.
The Ford lightning having a 5k towing capacity is just absurdly low. I dont understand why anyone would buy that. Most v6 trucks get around 6000lbs and you dont gotta charge it every 4 hours while hauling something.
More like every hour and a half when towing. EV truck tow tests have shown that range gets cut down to about a third. If the truck would normally get 250, it gets 80-100 miles with a trailer.
I mean it's pretty clear it's for people who aren't regularly towing long distance. It's for people who rarely/never tow long distance, OR it's for like construction / lawn crews that are taking equipment around town. EVs are great commuter cars and this is a great commuter truck; haul your work tools around all day, charge over night, wake up every morning with a "full tank."
@@dtemp132 I don't think it works that way. As a strictly commuter vehicle, sure. But why not get a more efficient car at that point? If you are hauling things, ESPECIALLY stop and starting all the time the range goes down drastically, a gas engine does as well but nowhere near as much. In most working situations a ICE beats the electric motor. Its cut and dry the science is there already. Its been tested. For ANY kind of towing the ICE beats the electric motor by leaps and bounds.
I'm going to assume that they don't account for the $7500 tax credit people got when the cars were new. Which instantly lowers the used value but at least the same amount.
There's someone out there paying a $70,000 loan when their car is worth only $30,000 lol.
so sad but this is too true.
We see them all the time on Caleb Hammer's channel. Someone paying $1200/mo on just a car loan, wild
Alot are, same thing on houses
Aging wheels and his polestar 2
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Sandro on main channel??!!! Lesgooooo
we up now
Why did I read it as Sandero
@@KiwamiJoryuGood News!
Is there any side channel?
@@mahmoudyassen8444 yeah it's called real mechanics stuff
"They're gonna say it's highway miles"
His car guy instinct kicked in lol
EVs are shit on highways 😅🤣😅.
Even if gas prices were over $15, no real American is going to buy an EV especially overpriced Tesla's.
@@SSGoatanks If you think the average American is willing to pay 200$ per fill up you're outta your mind.
Idk how you could drive 30k miles in 1 year and not have most of it be highway miles...
@@SSGoatanks Bulloney. People are sick and tired of making BIG OIL and the Arabs at OPEC Rich and Powerful while getting their Gasoline and Diesel Prices JACKED to the Moon anytime a Mouse Farts or there's a kerfuffle in some middle eastern country. BIG OIL is NOT your friend.
The other thing people forget, and especially when it comes to high-end cars like the Maybach, is that servicing and maintenance costs do not depreciate.
Yeah - well that's why the capital depreciation is so insane. On the other hand I had a millionaire uncle who drove a vintage Rolls and was always boasting about how much it was appreciating. And because it's so much simpler than a modern car the servicing was relatively reasonable. You just have to buy a true collector's classic.
As the owner of a rare 70s Mercedes, trust me, they actually appreciate. Having to get parts fabricated costs money!
@@anthonycondon5833 I think that depends on the model. For example just this weekend I was chatting to a Model T owner and he said parts are plentiful - so there must be more recent and practical cars where parts aren't too tricky?
@@tullochgorum6323 yeah absolutely. I also have some old fords, and they're cheap as chips - either salvage parts or there's still people making brand new stuff. But this merc... It's not even standard merc parts for a lot of it. I recently had to get a small piece of fuel line and by far the cheapest thing was to get someone to make it custom, and that wasn't cheap!
@@tullochgorum6323
Most old ROlls depreciated like crazy
Hey guys, here is a suggestion for future videos like this one.
Let these guys write down the price on a paper and after a countdown they have to show it to the camera. This way no ones answer is influenced by the person before.
I like it. But their content is garbage lately.
I don’t like that idea. The current idea is perfect.
@@Jcholla I hate both ideas.
How much did Cyber Trucks depreciate? Couldn't find it anywhere in the video or was that clickbait thumbnail?
@@SSGoatanksClickbait thumbnail. What they’ve become.
Sandro literally brought the hair for this game! Pimpin……..
Honestly didn't even realize he had long hair until this video. I thought it was a rag for the first 10 minutes of the video.
@@infin1ty850 it might be Sandro stays ready lol his glasses double as spark gap gauges
Straight pimping 💪🏾🔥🔥🔥🔥
👨🚀: “Sandro joined Donut??”
👨🚀🍩: “Always has been 👨🚀🔫”
No suprise indeed
That doesn't make sense 😂
sandro the homie
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Golf clap for recreating the meme using just 2 emoji. 👏
I can't explain how much I love the shotgun cocking sound everytime Nolan readjusts his glasses
Sandro be making waves on the channels fr
Happy to see the deprecation. Happens to every new car really. Crazy mark ups and then the acutal real worth shows after the hype dies
I just bought a 2017 Passat SE w/Tech with 99,899K for 50% MSRP. I feel better about my purchase since watching this video. Thanks, guys!!!! P.S. I love this car.
@@briang70 Great to know you love it. new cars are only for dumb people and really really rich people, so glad you could save money
And the real appreciation begins at the 20-25 year mark. Think boomers and their muscle cars, millennials and 90’s Japanese sports cars, etc etc the cycle continues.
Yes indeed. A plaid really is worth about 63k, tops. But then I'd say that about a lot of ICE vehicles over 100k.
They can’t last. It’s clear as day look at the studies that have been done about ev’s and what they require. The batteries don’t last forever and can’t be recycled on top of them requiring metals that can easily be mined until they’re all gone. For example cobalt, pretty rare to come by and we do have a good amount of it throughout the world, for now…
*shows a coda
"no one of you is gonna know this car"
aging wheels viewers: "allow me to introduce ourselves"
//Happy Trabant Noises//
I want to like this comment but it's on 69 and I can't do it
We all knew how much of a stinker the Koda was gonna be lol.
yes, but also who the f*** is trying to sucker 5 grand out of someone for that pile of smoking garbage?
There was no cyber truck in this episode and i watched it for nothing because it was on the thumbnail. Way to get me
Just flashed it at 23:49. Typical click bait. 😢
Just appreciate they have told you they don't care about their viewers. They view them as garbage, to be exploited, and that's all.
RUclips gives you the tools to block them from ever showing up. If enough people took this action and refused to support clickbait, scam nonsense, it would eventually stop.
After posting this comment, I will unsubscribe, and block from recommending channel.
I saw your comment and was so ready to stop at 20min mark but decided to watch the whole video myself. You know what? Unsubscribed from here. I fking hate these kinds of clickbate thumbnails.
The video overall was fine, but I gave it a thumbs down because of the straight out lie of a thumbnail.
just switch to BIGTIME
“Who’s going to buy this?” “Idk some freak” 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
my buddy trying to get rid of KIA EV, he brought it to KIA dealer.
KIA dealer told him it worth $10,000. dude bought it for 60,000 and about 2 years old.
Hoovies garage bought one 😂
Hoovie bought one :D So point proven hahaha
Yes, those freaks are called Democrats..
Sandro a real one for calling out that hideous EV "Mustang"
it’s pretty cool
@@thedon897 nah it's ugly asl and not reminiscent of a Mustang, they should've just called it something else
@@OctalInfinity the looks are very reminiscent of a mustang, are you just blind?😂
nice enough car but kinda ugly and don't understand calling it a mustang. brand recognition is so fuckin dumb
@@thedon897the mustang is a muscle car that’s like Chevy making a EV SUV and calling it a Camaro, I don’t really hate the car but it’s most definitely not a mustang
I freaking love Sandro man 😂🤝🏼 he’s like that chill stoner guy in high school that no one had a problem with and he just minds his own business but talks to everyone
He's my cousin he is cool af in person
I don’t like him
@@Stierenkloot why not ? He's cool 😎
@@That1lowaccord he tries too hard. Doesn’t suit him
@Stierenkloot I mean he is in the videos for a reason and he makes way more money than you
This is how i got a low miles Leaf for $8750 (2016, purchased 2020) -- massive depreciation. It's a reliable commuter with very little maintenance. Most expensive thing was tires at 60k, and they were $400ish installed.
400 dollars for tires is pretty good. My 2012 Camry tires cost me 1000
Buddy of mine had an old one, 2012 I think, and just got rid of it this year with 140k miles. It was still driving fine but the range had fallen to like 40 miles on a charge. He bought it cheap and got a lot of use out of it. Upgraded to a Model Y LR.
@@mylesgray3470 I am already planning on end-of-life for the battery, but it still is doing OK. You can get a reman battery for about half what a new one is for the 24 kWh variants with 90+% capacity. The only downside is needing the same PPE to swap as my day job doing industrial and commercial electric among other physical plant activities. The voltage is a bit of an issue.
@@kdawson020279 Might just want to upgrade to a bolt instead of replace leaf battery. They are starting to drop under $10k and have ccs charging and double the range
visiting audi engineers (and some of our master techs) borrowed my bay to do one of the first e-tron battery replacements. Super interesting getting to watch them figure out and document a repair that's only ever been done once or twice
I'm guessing presale battery QC would have been easier?
87% depreciation in 20 years? Sounds pretty normal to me
Yeah meanwhile every other car was 50% in one year.
yep, not he best but fairly normal if you exclude inflated priced old cars
I know right. The best case scenario is you buy a new car and get 20 years and 250k miles out of it then junk it for 350 bucks. Vehicles are transportation consumables at the end of the day.
@@DiustheZ every other EV
Yeah, they really should have done a depreciation % per year to compare them all.
20:40 Killed me when he cocked his sunglasses😂
I had a dealership tell me an 8,000 markup just wasn't enough profit for them! What??!!
That's just salesman "pity me" junk. MSRP *at minimum* already has a 15% profit floor for the base/fleet models.floor
That salesman just wanted you to pay for their 3-Day weekend vacation. They are the worst of the "step on your neck, on my way up" people/personalities.
I have never seen a Ford Lightning on a dealer lot at $41,769. They've all been 90K+. I remember when I was picking up my Bronco in 2021 the dealership had one on the lot that they wanted $110,000 for.
Probably a sponsored bit from from Ford to promote their truck, and make it not seem as expensive
Ford has also raised the base price to near $55k for the Pro.
That's what I was saying.. 41K What? Where? Cuba? Cause no way it wasn't under 70K or more anywhere I saw one. I like the Chevy RST but 105K.. GTFO. That thing better come down to 60K if it wants to sell.
Same in CNY
You guys missed the part where it was the Pro base model, which generally is only fleet sales or special ordered. At least the current price implies product quality. -But anything for misinfo, right?-
Guys, i don’t knowabout every state in the US, but here in Canada, government gives cash incentives for buying an electric car, and they give them once only for a car. Meaning, let’s say you bought a Tesla model 3 here in Quebec for 55k Canadian, you will get 5k slashed from the price as a federal incentive, then another 7k cash within a month from Quebec as a province. Meaning you paid 43k+taxes for the car.
When you sell it next year for instance, the price will drop from 43k, not the 55, because the buyer knows that you took the incentives, and he won’t get any himself for buying a 1years old car, so your price better be less than 43k, or he is better with a new one.
So you must take that into consideration in the price drop, even if you don’t have incentives in your state, the market is flooded with cars from other states and Canada
Or just take into consideration that you'd have to be an idiot to buy a Tesla in the first place.
@upinarms79 I own two Tesla’s. Besides tires I’ve had zero maintenance. Between the two I’m pushing nearly 250k miles
@@GetThemLyrics Better hope those batteries hold up, because the resale value isn't and those battery packs are probably going to cost you around 10k - 20k a piece to replace. You may not pay anything for maintenance now, but it's more than made up for once you need new batteries.
I have 2 ev ioniq ultimate 2024 and Kona ev ultimate 2024 and i'm in Quebec...i rushed to buy the kona as the prov gvt will decrease what they pay by 2025.
And no here ev cars aren't dropping...what is the interests as bank of Canada dropped it and seems will continue to do so
@@upinarms79 your comment makes you look like the idiot tbh. I don’t like Tesla either but people like you just make everyone look dumb lol.
Most people get rid of a car before the battery would go bad anyway. Iirc Tesla has an 8 yr warranty on it - which is actually basically the average for how long an American keeps their car.
The analogy of dropping water on the Mustang was perfect 👌.
what did he meant
@@maksskill6715It looks like the blown up reflection of whatever’s beneath the drop of water. Big, bubbly, blue and distorted. Looks like a bloated mustang.
@@gibme69420 i was thinkin more like it was something that soaked up the water and swelled up like rice or some shit.
The editing is so good. At 20:43 when be pushed his glasses back they put a backround sound of a gun loading hahaha
Good call, I didn't notice. I'm glad they can throw in some subtle gems like that, without going overboard with sounds and clips like too many editors do these days.
I was talking to a buddy who works in accounting at carvana and he was saying that what we are seeing now was expected in the industry.
No new cars, ICE or EV, are selling well right now. The prices are too high and the mark ups are too much. However, when sales reports are released, they only report new car sales, which is why EVs look like they are tanking. That is because they are overpriced, but ICEs are doing just as poorly because they are also overpriced.
The major cause of the decrease in EV sales is that mass adoption has finally created a used market that didn't exist before. He was saying that carvana is the #1 seller of used EV in the country, and they are selling more than ever before. He was saying that instead of looking at release sales metrics, look at adoption rates to get a better picture. More people are driving evs than ever before, so the adoption rate is going up even though new car sales are going down. They just aren't buying new.
Moral of the story, people are willing to spend $15k - $40k on a car, EV or ICE, not $50k - $75k.
someone has to be pretty foolish to buy a used EV with a 25-30k cost of replacing the battery.
@@paddington1670 EV batteries can hold up much longer than most people expect. 300.000 miles and over 10 years of ownership are perfectly doable. Even then you have maybe only 85% of the capacity left, which is still enough for daily driving for most people. Full out battery failures are super rare.
@paddington1670. Two points about that. First, look at the research in regard to EV battery life. In the actual published articles, most of the EV batteries that needed to be replaced came from early Gen 1 batteries. Batteries have advanced a lot since then. Even including those older batteries, less than 1% of all ev batteries have ever needed to be replaced.
Second, like most things, buying an EV is a math problem. I own an ev and will be the first to tell you they are not for everyone. Do you tow? Is it your only car? Do you road trip often? Most importantly, will you rely on the public charger system. If you answer is yes to any of those, don't get an EV. If you pass those, then do the math. Determine how much you kwh charge is in your area, tax rebates, incentives,milage. Determine if the EV is worth it for you. In our case I commute about 90 miles a day. We did the math and I was spending about $450 a month with my old truck in gas. The tesla would be about $50 a month in power, but we have solar panels so its free. We charge at home and insurance only went up $50 a month for us. So it made sense. I'm saving almost $400 a month, but the math worked out for me. EVs are just like any other tool. They have a time and place. Figure out if the cost works for you.
Inflation and interest rates, the economy is bad.
The infrastructure on them sucks, their repairability also sucks, and their energy usage has such high variables depending on the weather and load compared to an ICE car, oh yeah and they're insurance rates are very high, and youre also paying a premium on those tires that also wear out faster than ICE vehicle tires
Chevy really fucked up when they discontinued the Volt. Gas or diesel electric hybrids are definitely the way to go until we can come up with a better battery chemistry than what we currently have.
I test-drove a Volt and really liked it. Comfortable, plenty of punch, nice to look at. But there just weren't that many people willing to pay $40K for a semi-electrified Cruze.
As someone who has dailied a Volt a bit, yes. I love the idea that one day I might see a cheap one, and shove a newer battery type in there with a BMS..
Hybrids are trash
I kinda think they effed the volt from the get go. Look up the Chevy Volt concept. That thing looked amazing. The production version was almost a slap in the face compared to what was conceptualized. I think that’s part of what led to the downfall. Just my opinion though.
@@goracks69 Pretty much (almost) all concepts vs market versions are like that. Once the bean counters get their mitts on the papers it all goes south.
Justin iced out at the end was HILARIOUS
BA Baracus JR
It just looked so natural, like his true form
I have to say, I watched that Mothers commercial you did all the way through. Very entertaining!
In before the “I see Sandro, I click” crew.
all my homies
hate "hate sandro crew" crew
x}
@@Tater337Someone forgot their medication this morning. 😄
Why me?
But u are "that crew"..
For the homies
Justin's "I'm goin on a track day" with the grills bangin out 😂🔥🔥
Looking like Mr. T :)
EV prices are dropping like crazy! For example, the Lucid Air Grand Touring has an MSRP of $125k, but you can find a used one with just 2k miles for $45k. It's wild to think someone paid or would pay $250k for the Lucid Sapphire.
Wow… really?? I only remember making a few thousand off CCIV! Only good thing electric cars have ever been for for me!
Expensive prices are dropping like crazy*
I love how people who have never looked at the high-end car market are finally being exposed to what happens. Go look at S63 or S65 AMG models. They lose $100k+ in a matter of years.
Look at a used 7-series. All $100k+ cars, worth less than half that after only a short time.
@@rustler08always been that way. i’ll drive a cool old car over a new car anyday
@@rustler08this. I'm legit gonna go buy an m8 😂 140k msrp
Now for 60s.
TTV8 for the price of a supra? Lmao sign me up
where are you finding a 2k mile Lucid GT for 45k? From what I see you can find 30k mile one for like 64k~ with lower mileage ones in the high 60s, still bad but not as awful on depreciation as you said
You KNOW its gonna be a good Donut when Sandro shows up. I LOVE that dude.
I have been waiting for one of these series for quite some time now and I think that they are one of the best you do. And the fact that Sandro is slowly creeping into other themes than the mechanic reacts just to slowly take over your channel without you even noticing is just a cherry on top. :-)
18:05 Nolan just started looking like the frontman of a rap group, and Sandro and Justin look like they're waiting to lay down some bars.
Factsssssss
The wish version of eminems D12 era
Justin’s really one of my favorite guys on the channel. He seems chill, like he never gets mad or when he does it’s justified❤
I met Justin's twin brother James at a random little car meet in Raleigh a few months ago. Of course I thought it was Justin, but man it was cool meeting him too because he's just as enthusiastic about cars and apparently pops up at car meets in the area all the time. (His IG/youtube channels are Car-Nivores)
I’m biased as I have a 2022 Mach-E GT pretty much identical to the one in the video (mine doesn’t have the performance pack, so 30 less tq and no magnetic dampers, but longer range), but I think that depreciation is heavily region dependent, I see them selling for the low $40k range here on the west coast. I’m not surprised the Midwest would see especially steep EV depreciation as early adopters realize the range and infrastructure around there isn’t what they might have expected.
Also have to note that while the MSRP might be $70k, it qualified for the $7500 tax credit in 2022, and Illinois has a $4k state EV rebate, so excluding sales tax, it was really a $58k car overall.
None of that matters to me though as we’ve been really pleased with it and will keep it for many years to come, so depreciation would have bottomed out for any car by that point.
I think the chains are a awesome way of keeping score and should carry on being a thing
My Leaf cost me 5 grand. Thanks depreciation!
sir, your profile picture has fooled me. well done :D
its also a leaf tho 😂
Lots of folks are going to get great deals on EVs and it'll only increase EV adoption. This is a good thing which happens with most new emerging tech. Early adopters pay a premium to be first, they help iron out the kinks/bugs, then the price drops as production ramps up/first gen models get resold, and soon the new tech is priced accordingly as the market settles down.
@@menace2society00 - Yeah it's a Leaf haha. Ugly little sleeper. Fastest car I've ever had, but only good for local commuting.
@@smileychess so you only owned slow cars?
Sandro vs Doug Demuro head to head. Make it happen Donut!
THIIIIIIIISSSS is donut media
That fan who got the computer totally deserved. Never seen somebody so speechless. Best day of his life
Why do you have an LTT shorts comment on a Donut vid with 4 likes???
@@pp3v42_g3h youtube glitch xD
The chains brought so much life to the video 😂👌
100%
Listening to this just the audio for this while at work makes the reload sound every time Nolan pushes up his glasses even funnier lol
This reminds me of that simpsons scene where, i think, matge wont let homer drive while drinking, so he just drives between sips and stopping his car every 25ft 😂
I got an ad with Nolan talking about the new Frontier and then Nolan is the main commentator.
ok glad im not the only one
Same
Same
Damnit, the only time I wish I wasn't a YT Premium member. 😂
I swear I get that ad every time I watch a donut video it’s great 😭😭
I think this was a little biased maybe... Cause the ICE engine cars were all old or luxury cars, in one case both, which are huge factors for depreciation.
I think something fair would've been to point out the depreciation per year for every car, because saying the Maybach depreciated 311000 dollars in 20 years (~15500 per year) is nowhere as terrible as the EVs losing over half their value in one year...
For stuff like this, the depreciation _per year_ is a more interesting metric. 51% depreciation in one year (Tesla) is way crazier than 54% in two years (Audi).
audi in 5 years is 99% value drop
@@retrocompaq5212not just Audi but all German vehicles. They are unreliable overpriced junk.
I agree, only listing the total deprepreciation doesn't make sense to me.
@@JAM_2024people dont have the extra 1500$ for the parts theyre not unreliable junk 😂 people are just too poor after the first owner
They presented false information. Plaid was $130k when it released in 2021. The price for a new one had steadily dropped to under $100k for a new one. A 2023 model would have been ~$90k new, so about a $26k loss which is ~29% if their $64k listing is legit. Not great but not nearly as bad at they are trying to lead you to believe. I don’t understand their motive.
The shotgun cranking sound over Nolan pushing back his glasses is killing me every time
So glad sandro has become one of the boys
For the Boyz
This is why I’m not an early adopter. I didn’t get a hybrid until 2012, when the technology had matured and the price came down.
I love that were all hyped fir sandro. His character alone brings a fresh mix to the donut group
You said it right there, “character” this is all script bs now a days, this channel
Starting to suck.
I just want to shout out the editors for adding the little shotgun racking noise every time Nolan pushes up his glasses. It cracks me up every time!
RIGHT I was just thinking about that bit the other day, then this video drops with tons of glasses reloads lmao
that's one of my pet peeves. Just buy glasses that fit, or have them modify them with a heat gun so they fit properly.
@@paddington1670 as someone who wears glasses, they’re going to slide no matter what if you have oily skin. It shouldn’t be a pet peeve of yours, it’s not something that most people can help
@@paddington1670 They start sliding when you get sweaty/oily
@@DannyDevitoOffical-TrustMeBro ive been wearing glasses for 20 years and ive never once had to adjust my glasses, i dont wear glasses that Bubbles wears on Trailer Park boys but people poking their middle spoke of their glasses is annoying as sin. Get glasses that fit, or make them fit with a heat gun.
As a glasses wearer love to hear the throwback cocking sound when Nolan adjusts his glasses. Thanks editors!
The real reasons for the depreciation is lack of parts, lack of shops available to repair them at a reasonable rate, and the higher insurance rates.
The dramatic Zoom ins on Nolan were hilarious lol
Hell yeah, Sandro back!!
I finally went to Zumiez to grab a crewneck and it was CAD $120 before taxes. Definitely not worth that price wtf.
Zumiez stuff is wayy overpriced. I was so let down when Donut announced they'd be selling their merch there.
Damn thanks for the heads up ...I was gonna find a zoomies and maybe still will just cuz donut .. but deezamn , that price hurt my feelings ... that's like what I usta pay for friggen sub zero gear (not the badass mortal kombat guy but the tempature 😅)
@@Mega_TROH_nus yeah fr I feel like the last time I shopped at Zumiez was when I was like 19 or 20 I just feel like it isn’t the right store for their audience.
@@mastercricket7626 yeah fr when I had no responsibilities and was younger I’d maybe pay that price but half a days work is not going towards a branded shirt not a chance lmao
imma wait till it depreciates by over half :p
(It's called Goodwill hehe)
What this says is those of us who were saying "there needs to be a $25k EV before most normal people will think about buying them" three years ago were right
I just did an AutoTrader search while watching this. In Canada, and Canadian dollars the EQE new is listed $30,000 less than msrp. The Solterra is $10,000 less than msrp. Both of these are new!
27:47 Mr T in the building 🤣
Justin is my favourite Donut guy 💯
Please run this back and make it a series. It was so informative and fun. Thanks for making this 👏🏾
I hate in content commercials for every other youtube channel - but yours are hilarious and part of the entertainment I am looking for!
That plaid has been banged on though, it probably has more drag hits than a riced out 90's civic
that tesla?
lmfao nah fam
that tesla lost over half its value in less than a year
@@aa-tx7thyeah, and like they said it was probably thrashed.
They drastically cut prices and now sell new ones for 80k, would have to be an idiot to pay more than 70k for a used one.
Why did you copy someone's comment?
@@bwofficial1776It's possible that the other "person" was a bot copying him
so happy Nolan's shotgun glasses made a comeback at 20:42
That was Hoovie's Maybach. Novody at Donut watches Hoovie's Garage
Yup definitely hoovies
I was looking for the comment, wondering if no one else noticed 😅
I love how they try to show a few gas rigs as proof that gas is also depreciating yet they pick gas cars that are around 20 years old and/or really strange manufacturers. You should do the depreciating rate per year.
The Model S Plaid was a 90k MSRP in 2023 and is 88k right now, also I checked Auto Tempest and the lowest for sale with a clean title and no accident damage is 74k with 33k miles. If you go for the 2021 models than you can find some in the 60k range
Never let the truth get in the way of a good story!
For sale prices are not sold prices. You need to look at sold prices only.
It literally wasn't the MSRP for all of 2023. It was lowered later in the cycle. The vast majority of Plaids sold that model year were at the higher MSRP.
@@tim3172 it was at 105k~ early in the year, was raised to 108k~ and then dropped to 90k
60k is about 55k too high
Every time nolan reloads his glasses the editor catches it. Pure bliss
People forget some of these cars qualified for $7500 making the bolt euv $21kish for a new one. So dropped to $16k is not that bad compared to $130k vs $70k for the Tesla.
At least where I am, you get the rebate _after_ purchasing the vehicle. So it's still full price, with interest, and _then_ rebates applied
@@dhag72not if you pay cash. No interest.
Finally, RUclips recommended something fun and enjoyable. Love all these guys energy. Looks like I've got a new channel catalogue to get through.
Yep. My 2021 $60k model Y now has a trade in value of $25k.
loooool
People need to remember that a car is only worth what you're willing to pay/lose on it.
I'm not totally sure why some people bank on residual value for their cars. If you can't afford to lose your ass on the car, you can't afford the car.
@WeAreChecking did I say I can't afford the car. I got a 911 and Tesla and still love the Tesla eventhough the value dropped. Was thinking of upgrading to the Plaid S thus was checking my trade in value.
@@Adventure_Quanego saved ? Such cringe lol
@@MrDmadness I'm good. Life is great
The reload sound when Nolan adjusted his glasses caught me off guard lol.
bro that shit killed me i thought i imagined it lmao
They've been doing that for years.
@@christophejergales7852 I guess I haven’t watched enough episodes to notice lol.
@@DR.slzzzp yeah I had to go back and watch it again cause I thought I imagined it too lol
Sandro did a fantastic job as the garage valet driver in Ferris Bueller's Day Off! Nice work, buddy!!!!
Now that's the kind of videos I watch DONUT for . Pure knowledge and very entertaining .
I’m honestly happy to see donut getting more sponsors and partners, I wish all the members do well (getting amazing pay) and keep making the content we love.
Wasn’t that their whole goal? To make the cars affordable?
Nope. It was never about making them affordable, quite the opposite. The UN and WEF don't want regular people going anywhere at all. It's environmental fascism that only favors the elites.
I doubt the people selling or making the cars would ever want them to be affordable, just want them to sell
Ev will be expensive for a while because they are too new. Massive production isn’t there yet, a lot of money is spent on research and design as they are discovering problems with the new technology. They are also targeting people who are willing to take a chance because there is uncertainty and that tends to be people who have money or at least not worried about it. And the electric cars have a lot of computers and technology that raise the prices. Another 10 years, I think it will be much lower.
@@Alphasnowbordergirl EVs are fairly simple machines compared to ICEs. The cost is in the battery. Go to a hardware store and look at the cost of a cordless drill. The tool on it's own isn't expensive, but the battery that powers it costs just as much if not more than the tool itself. They've been mass producing these things for decades.
Salesmen losing = consumers winning
Executives are the ultimate salesmen.
@@nobodynothing6551 okay dude
Everyone is losing in this market especially if you buy new 😅😅
20:42 I still laugh at the reload noises when Nolan pushes up his glasses, one of the best running jokes on this channel
Convinced Sandro is a vampire, with them fangs on him
I think they look good on him. Some people can rock their fangs! 😅
That coda was designed by the mailroom worker at pininfarina 😂
Yooooo that truck is looking amazing after a good clean up. Brought to you by Mothers
This is why I only buy "depreciated" cars ~10 years old. Usually still have 8-12 years left with some maintenance and when you adjust for inflation, the actual cost is like 80-85% less than MSRP new.
With EV it makes even more sense as there is no maintenance issues. The only thing that would suck is the battery life. A two or three year depreciates EV would make more sense.
@@xantiom Batteries are more predictable though. With a battery that only has 70% capacity left, you're getting exactly what you're paying for, whereas an engine or transmission with 200k miles can just blow up.
You two have never had to replace wiring huh? A single fault on 40m of wire
@@captainvlad I've replaced the entire wiring harness in a vehicle, restoring it after a fire. (someone else's car).
@@fredrikcarlen3212 That's not entirely true, old batteries dies randomly too.
shady dealerships would add insane 4k-10k mark up on the listing prices.
"chevy wont hold its value"
ironically the camaro and corvette are one of the slowest depreciating cars out there right next to the porsche 911 and toyota 4runner
I think those are the exception. Chevy's standard economy cars are a lot more iffy
And the Land Cruiser 200 / LX 570 🥵
and Lexus!:)
The Camaro and Corvette feel made by a different company honestly.
@josearturo6169 I own a camaro so I get it, but it's really just there was more pride put into these whips
You can learn a lot about the Coda over at Aging Wheels.
If the lightning sold over msrp, then the guy who bought it new faced more than 11% depreciation.
Getting the audi e-tron price perfect was so satisfying 😂
Every time Nolan puts his glasses up there is a gun-racking sound lol.
check 14:43
That's been happening since the beginning, which makes it funnier, because of the editors' consistency! 😅
Doesn't this just prove that automakers are overcharging for all of their new vehicles?
We knew this. Dealers got away with the markups when the used market was dry so the manufacturers increased the MSRP because they wanted a piece of it. Now consumers are fed up and wanting to pay the higher MSRP so the vehicles are sitting on dealer lots while the used market is starting to come back down to reasonable levels
Good show guys! Liked the competition and thought processes. This was a bit off, with vehicles from 2022, since that was a "Peak Year" because of shortages of vehicles and parts...so prices were jacked up a ton.
Justin is a pure spirit.
It's good to see Mr T. getting all his ice back.
I pity the fool that took his ice in the first place.
LOL Nolan "Single Chain" Sykes sounds like a good street name 😅
Sandro sounds like such a true mechanic. Honest man
I have a different theory on the price crashes. Most people can't accept that an EV should cost 40% more than the ICE version of a car so the resale prices quickly dump to where people think they should be priced rather than the price the manufacturers thought they were worth.
Its the economy, inflation, interest rates, and hidden bad job figures.
also they are just shite
Not entirely wrong, but it’s maintenance and running costs.
Charge your EV at home in a California city and, depending where you live, you might as well drive a 9mpg muscle car. Then there’s the fact that battery’s suck ass. Horrible to replace, few work on them, no way to DIY at home and a litany of other problems.
EVs are boomer bullshit, and the market reflects this. Can’t wait for EV to become a thing of the past for a second time.
Gas here is $3/gallon about equivalent to the .30/kWh of public charging.
I see Sandro and I say yes!
The Ford lightning having a 5k towing capacity is just absurdly low. I dont understand why anyone would buy that. Most v6 trucks get around 6000lbs and you dont gotta charge it every 4 hours while hauling something.
More like every hour and a half when towing. EV truck tow tests have shown that range gets cut down to about a third. If the truck would normally get 250, it gets 80-100 miles with a trailer.
I mean it's pretty clear it's for people who aren't regularly towing long distance. It's for people who rarely/never tow long distance, OR it's for like construction / lawn crews that are taking equipment around town. EVs are great commuter cars and this is a great commuter truck; haul your work tools around all day, charge over night, wake up every morning with a "full tank."
@@dtemp132 I don't think it works that way. As a strictly commuter vehicle, sure. But why not get a more efficient car at that point? If you are hauling things, ESPECIALLY stop and starting all the time the range goes down drastically, a gas engine does as well but nowhere near as much.
In most working situations a ICE beats the electric motor. Its cut and dry the science is there already. Its been tested. For ANY kind of towing the ICE beats the electric motor by leaps and bounds.
The Jimmy/Justin energy never gets old. Love that it’s in a sponsor spot now lol
People pumped AF for Sandro 😂
I'm going to assume that they don't account for the $7500 tax credit people got when the cars were new. Which instantly lowers the used value but at least the same amount.
10:05 Sandro went full ventriloquist
Sandro was great! Very natural on camera. More Sandro!