Thrawn Meets Morgan Elsbeth | Star Wars Clips
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- Admiral Thrawn is impressed from what he hears about and sees from Morgan Elsbeth, opting to finally meet her in person for the first time on Corvus.
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Thrawn at his lowest point of his career, soon rising up to be the empire's greatest thorn at the rebellions eye
Here he is an admiral. How was this his lowest point? I would think his lowest point was when he was a lieutenant on the gozanti class cruiser blood crow or when he was commanding the thunder wasp. Those who hated him because he was an alien used every dirty political trick to keep him down but they failed because he is the kind of man who turns misfortune into opportunity. Had he not been sent away at the end of rebels the rebellion would have been done for.
@@bman3794 by lowest point, I mean he wasn't that famous as an Admiral now. After all, he was the one who became the main antagonist in rebels, and he was mentioned in the mandalorian series to return and lead the empire/new order to a new era probably.
Admiral is not really the lowest point of his career. Admiral is actually a pretty damn high ranking
@@markushaahr9194 I didn't say anything about his rank. I said career. He wasn't that famous until the beginning of the rebellion. I mean, did u see his ranking colours on his chest? I have not seen that on anyone else except him and Tarkin, which means he is the big deal. But here in this scene, he doesn't. And I might recall he became Grand Admiral, which also means he stands above all admirals. And also outranks Grand Moff Tarkin. : )
Being an Admiral is still a great honor, but becoming Grand Admiral, something that only Palpatine, who mind you is Xenophobic, has the authority to select, was the moment Thrawn became true Heir to the Empire
Thrawn is a man I would kill to have on my side. The man is what I call a genius pragmatist. He is a true believer, but unlike people like Giddeon and Versio, he has the brain to back up it up.
Long live the Empire.
Let's be real, Thrawn is too smart to be on your side or anyone else's not worth his while.
@@EmptyMan000 very true
A shame that the Empire at its peak didn't fully recognize/appreciate Thrawn's potential; hopefully, the (now humbled and currently not taking orders from Palpatine/Vader) Remnant (along with some new magical assistance from the Nightsisters) will give Thrawn the edge he needs to finally achieve what his Legends counterpart couldn't (bring the New Republic to its knees, and force a surrender/capitulation).
Sure, we know the New Republic survives long enough to still be present by the time of the ST's beginnings, but who's to say that they didn't get overthrown briefly by Thrawn's occupational forces? (e.g. during the upcoming "Mandoverse" crossover event movie)
Long live the empire
You referring to Admiral Versio? Cuz I felt that he was a little blinded by loyalty to the empire, but he saw it for what it was. He was still loyal to the empire, but he saw Palpatine's empire was weak and self-destructive. He had his daughter live because he knew he was as big a contributor to it's failings as well.
I found it strange how the Empire was willing to invest over a trillion credits into the Death Star yet baulked at the idea of spending a few thousand on a genuinely effecient starfighter design.
This is called lobbying
Yet they originally favored the TIE Defender project and would've chosen it over the Death Star if it wasn't for Thrawn's operations being destroyed by the Phoenix Squadron.
I think Sidious, megalomaniac that he was, favoured the Death Star because it fed his power fantasy. He had long abandoned subtlety in his quest for power and was by then more of an addict seeking his next high. And a planet killer was a lot more of a kick than an improved fighter design, even if that fighter would have been a better option to obtain his goals.
No different from how some real-world militaries pour billions into fancy new weapons like hypersonic missiles, then fill their production examples with water, or don't bother spending the money on a launcher that works. Politicians love bling and the power fantasies that come with exotic capabilities; they're uninterested in the boring details that actually make them work.
Also dont forget the death star started construction long before the tie defender program so the empire couldnt just abandon it
Ironic that Maul mentioned Nightsisters being wiped out, because they were threat to the Empire. And here we see Morgan working for the Empire, blissfully unaware of this teeny-tiny little fact.
If you can’t beat them… join them
If this fact were to somehow be exposed to the Great Mothers of Peridea, then that's the dealbreaker which could motivate the Great Mothers to betray/assassinate Thrawn.
Palpatine viewed them as a threat. Maul knew palpatine was controlling both the empire and separatist at the time thus he said. Everyone else in the galaxy besides the jedi, maul and other exceptional individuals did not know palpatine at the time was controlling the separatists and used them to attack dathomir.
@@topnotchshinobi Thrawn: "It wasn't me! It wasn't me!"
@@maksymilianziele28 A valid rebuttal, though “guilt by association” is a compelling enough motive, regardless.
I love how they included Morgan and Thrawn’s theme from Ahsoka
what is the name of the ost??
@@Ropkiller2005Thrawn’s Arrival by Kevin Kiner
@@GeneralGrevious330 thank you
Thrawn's leitmotif here originated from Rebels.
Lars Mickelson steals every scene he acts in as Thrawn.
Thrawn intelligence makes him one of the best minds in the empire
No, he is the best mind in the Empire
In legends, canon thrawn is a fool.
@@redisb2556 well there is also Vader and some other individuals like tage and thrawn
@@javierlopez9789 this isn't Ashoka in the thrawn comics he is very intelligent also rebels and tales of the empire
Don't forget Canon thrawn created the tie defender don't care what tales of empire says it was established in rebels and the comics and he even has the support of Vader
Thrawn was without question, one of if not the greatest assets the Empire would ever have.
I like that thrawn is pragmatic enough to see the empire has its flaws and is willing to do something about them rather than just hide behind its supposed power and invincibility.
Nice and scary to see how Morgan formed an alliance with Thrawn and how the TIE Defender project was actually her idea when it was introduced in Star Wars Rebels.
The force is female. It cheapens these boss girls they have to retcon other characters accomplishments and hand them over.
There is no death, there is no Firce, there is no Star Wars. There is only Kathleen Qhunt Kennedy.
@@redred1952 we can never have good things when assholes such as yourselves always find a negative when something's good.
Thrawn was no industrialist. Nor was He a lobbyist. He was a member of the Admiralty by this point and, more importantly, a strategist and tactitian. His job is to fix problems with his fleet, not create solutions on a drawing board and attend meetings with Moffs and their lackeys.
In short, Thrawn mearly offered his support for Morgan's design.
It never said it was her design. I got the idea she was just a project lead proposing it to a potential investor.
Sending Thrawn was the Emperor's way of saying ''sorry we didn't accept the TIE Defender project right off the bat, but we'll consider your plans in the future.''
The Emperor didn't send him
@@andrewcundill3660 I highly doubt that. In Rebels, both the Emperor and Tarkin supported Thrawn's TIE Defender program over the Death Star until Thrawn disappeared.
Admirals in the Empire had full autonomy unless they were to make decisions that would require a higher ranking official. This type of task was beneath the Emperor's time.
@@HolyknightVader999 This is much later.
@@HolyknightVader999Palpatine never would’ve sent thrawn to find her unless it was absolutely important. The tie defender wasn’t important till thrawn made it so and the rebellion already formed
I love how the music cuts out as soon as Thrawn says no, thats a portion of my fleet. Lmao fucking hilarious.
I never noticed that.
My gosh Thrawn is written so well, that I think if he ever have access or even master a fraction of the Force with his intellect this man (character) would be invincible. Just a look at what he has accomplish without it, is incredible... it be interesting to see if he was written as a force sensitive, not that he needs it anyway! Thrawn is my inspiration everytime I play SWTOR as a Chiss Inquisitor, Sith Warrior or Agent.
Thrawn’s voice is so soothing
He can read me a bedtime story fr.
Me too 💙🩵
Interesting to see thrawn actually more practical and less greedy. Still hate him as a villain. But I do wish we had more leaders like him. The good kind.
I mean yeah. But what are you gonna do. He allied himself with the Empire. Maybe in an alternate Empire of the Hand type universe story would be cool.
If your really want to see thrawn as a good guy, read (or listen to the audiobook) for the Thrawn Ascendancy trilogy it’s a fantastic series set in Chiss space away from the regular galaxy. But thrawn makes an excellent protagonist and really explains why he would want to go to the empire and use their power for the galaxy’s good
@@nickywags0712 I mean it all depends on the lens you view it from though. Thrawn goes with what he see's as the greater good. Empire stands the best chance to fight the threats he knows about (Like the Grysk) outside of the galaxy. The rebellion and republic don't cut it and honestly hes right in that respect. Look at how fucked it was in Ashoka or Mandalorian and how they dragged their feet on Thrawn. A Grysk invasion would rail them sideways. Empire is awful but in his eyes its better than being dead and seeing his homeworld gone.
one of the villain we admire... kinda Love to hate
Unlike most of the Empire who are just greedy and prideful, Thrawn truly believes that order is the path to peace and stands by the Empire
That stare followed by "offer accepted" was so good!
Revenge against who? As far as she knew, everyone responsible died at the end of the clone wars. Imagine if she found out the emperor she served was behind it all. A good idea for one of those what if channels.
Revenge makes people blind.
Now I understand the (probable) reason why Filoni chose to spare (or revive) Ventress' life for the long run (beyond her alleged death in Dark Disciple). Ventress knew about Sidious through her connection as Dooku's assassin/pseudo-apprentice, and at some point, was told by Ahsoka and Rex (or connected the dots herself) about Palpatine playing both sides of the Clone Wars to gain/consolidate absolute power as Emperor (if Ventress' Bad Batch outburst about "we were both pawns, and we lost!" is of any useful indication).
Anyways, I imagine that Ventress will still be a mercenary by the era of the New Republic, and after finding out that the current surviving batch of Nightsisters (Great Mothers and a necromancy-reanimated Morgan) are working for the Empire (through their alliance with Thrawn), that's when Ventress will spill the beans ("you're working for the same faction that rose to power by massacring our kin!"), thus motivating Thrawn's Nightsister allies to finally backstab Thrawn.
Revenge against the people of Corvus, for rejecting her in spite of her efforts to improve Corvus’s standing in the Galaxy.
Pretty clear, given she literally says before this scene that these weren’t her people and that she mentions revenge in her answer to Thrawn whilst gazing upon them.
@@PsychoSpot3324 At first, I was rather upset we didn’t see any scenes of Morgan leading Imperial forces against Separatist remnants (since it would have made sense for Morgan to join the Empire out of a desire to squash the remaining Separatists, the faction which genocided her family/community).
But then, after further contemplation, I now realize that Morgan’s Tales of Empire subplot is ultimately a tragedy about the vicious cycle of distrust. (and how “the child who is not embraced by the village will burn it down to feel its warmth.”)
Over the course of her three Tales of Empire episodes, Morgan inadvertently hurts her post-massacre foster families/communities (first, the Dathomiri mountain clan, and later, Corvus) through her well intentioned impulsiveness (raiding the armory drew the attention of a droid battalion which killed a bunch of mountain clan sisters, while Morgan’s unrealistic expectations about the TIE Defender project being accepted by the Empire’s Moffs gave Corvus’ citizens (ultimately unrewarded) hope about making ends meet), while in return, those foster families/communities chose to assume the worst about Morgan’s intentions, thus abandoning Morgan (e.g. the mountain clan matron coldly leaves behind Morgan to fend for herself after self righteously exaggerating Morgan’s self defense rallying attempt as “succumbing to the path of hate and revenge”, while Corvus’ fickle citizens angrily accuse Morgan of being an exploitative witch who never intended to honor her promises to them, leading to Wing witholding bodyguard protection from Morgan in hopes of letting Rukh kill Morgan) and ironically pushing her to become the self-fulfilling prophecy they accused her of being in the first place (aka the “Then Let Me Be Evil” trope).
@@PsychoSpot3324 That's it?!
I kill for a project based at the height of the empire that shows how truly "magnificent a construct" the empire actually was, from the perspective of Palpatine, Vader, Tarkin, Thrawn, and the inner circle. Whether its live action, or animated, to have McDiarmid, Hayden/James Earl Jones, and Lars all in one scene together... My god that would be peak
the reveal and understated conversation, guarded but probing, was perfectly pitched.
If the Galactic Empire operated in the same vein as the Ancient Sith Empire, they'd have given Morgan an application to join the Sith Academy on Korriban. That talk about anger is basically Sith dogma.
Good grief. Even just 4 minutes of screen time Lars sucks you in with one of Thrawn’s always great dialogues. So glad he played him in Ahsoka for live action.
He's the only actor who could/can/did do it.
That was a very good idea
I like how they both interpreted small parts of the sith code
Imagine if it was Grand Admiral Thrawn and High General Tagge leading the entire Imperial Fleet and Army rather than Grand Moff Tarkin and half the Moffs following the Tarkin Doctrine....
Add admiral Trench in there too
@@beni2cc Now, all I can imagine is his annoying tisktisk noise
Ok so heres the thing. Some will be upset on what im gonna say but morgan created the design and idea for tie defender thus thrawn was impress and supported this design seeing how it will be effective. Thrawn is more observant, he analyze structure but he is no "artist" he has interest in art but cant paint them without understansing them. But what makes him dangerous is that he understand flaws of designs of a grander scale. Thrawn is like genghis khan but he uses any technological advantage or any details to his advantage.
So Morgan Elsbeth was the mastermind behind the Tie Defenders, huh?
That explains why she wasn't mentioned AT ALL in Thrawn: Treason which was all about them.
Thanks Filoni.
i HATE when dave gets his hands on thrawn hopefully with zahn supposedly helping with him in the mando verse we can see a change....
Just want to mention how well his theme was used here.
At this point, if Thrawn is in it I have to watch it. and be obsessed with it. What an incredible character
This one scene ALONE made think Thrawn was one of the greatest Star Wars villains ever made
Why is that
@@GreenNinj4 just a good villain, smart, cunning, and has a cool British accent
While I don't like that they keep taking Thrawn's ideas away from him, I agree that Thrawn is one of the best Star Wars characters ever created. I definitely recommend reading the books where you realize that Thrawn isn't a villain from the perspective of those he wants to protect. He simply has a different perspective on the war and views the Empire as a lesser evil to side with for the protection of his people/the galaxy.
Thrawn and Ruhk look a lot better in The Clone Wars animation
So Im seeing confusion on why Morgan wants revenge. I agree its vague and confusing and Im with yall, but Ive thought about it a bit and listened to her talking in this show, Mandalorian, and Ahsoka.
To me it seems shes obviously angered her people and culture were wiped out, so she wants revenge on the galaxy for taking it away from her. She wants power to show the galaxy the nightwitches shouldnt be forgetten and that they are not dead.
This is why she sides with the Empire, to have a share in their power, their rule, and Thrawn is a perfect person to speak with her, one of few aliens in a galactic regime of humans. Hes one of few as is she.
Morgan then makes contact with the nightwitches of Peridia where she learns her culture lives on in others than just herself
Its a bit of a sloppy theory but it makes sense to me
I agree. It is the only explanation that I can think of.
In ep3, she says that her world was burning for a long time, so why should Corvus be different.
I'm so glad Grand Admiral Thawn is still alive after Star Wars Asoka.
Thrawn always meets Morgan during the reign of the Empire😊
0:44 I love her reaction to Thrawn's agreement. She goes from basically venting to thoughtful and actually listening to him.
I think we can all agree that, while the Empire couldn't have come into being without Palpatine's massive machinations and political genius, the best that could have happened to it would have been to have him, Vader and Tarkin fall down an elevator shaft a decade in and have Thrawn replace them at the helm (though that would have been impossible, he wasn't the legend he was then, though he probably would have won the ensuing civil war eventually, the Empire would have been crippled), when Palpatine started going off the rails and sinking more and more funding into the Death Star ego project.
Honestly I really shudder to think what would have happened had someone assigned Thrawn to guard and help Hemlock at the start of the Empire. These two together would have been absolutely terrifying.
The night sisters will be the many arms that surround Thrawn 😊
hands down the most terrifying non to limited force sensitive character in all of star wars, and ill fight anyone who disagrees respectfully
Moments like this is not for children
Best sci fi
Long live the empire
" I would like to introduce you all to Grand Admiral Prawn, the galaxie's deadliest punching shrimp, here to bring order to the insurrection of the pitiful dancing crabs, who dared to defy the Empire, with the might of our Empirial Navy! " - Emperor Palpatine
Reading the sequels to Empire Strikes Back, I remember being so intrigued by the character of Thrawn. It's a treat to see Thrawn developed and getting to see Pelleon, too. Damn shame those sequel books didn't get made canon.
Revenge?! HAHAHAAh! Wha?? surely morgan knows Grievous is already dead (killed by Jedi which she pesters no less), and that he himself was an Agent of the sith. Well I would've hoped Ventress mentioned that tid bit to the nightsisters? Or is she just upset folks keep calling her a witch? *which she is.*
At this point she is more obsessed with the idea of revenge rather than actually getting revenge, or she is playing the really long game against the empire
@@Mammothsaber-4457 Better yet I think she had ambitions of putting the night sisters back into a place of significance that history would not ignore.
I was really hoping to have seen more of Thrawn and Morgan working together in the Empire.
Long Live The Empire 💙🩵
I wish there was a soundtrack of the background
Funny how Thrawn predicted that the Empire would slowly crumble due to the short-sightedness and greed of the higher authorities
I'd like to ask Lars whether his experience of playing Thrawn in live action affected how he approached Thrawn here versus in Rebels.
My interest is based on Admiration & ambition ... Boo Boo Boo ! Just ask my ambition is enough for the task ...
No wonder Morgan know about Thrawn
Long live the Empire 3:15
So I’m confused who exactly does Morgan want revenge on?
Revenge on the separatists who destroyed dathomir - but she doesn’t know the Emperor instigated all of it
Probably on the whole galaxy. She was so blinded by her anger that she didn't realize she had to take her vengeance on the Emperor, master of Count Dooku and General Grievous who were responsible for the genocide of her people.
@@kylielinn4558Oh the irony, little did she know that she ended up working for the man that was responsible for the deaths of her family.
I think she just wants revenge in general
For the galaxy to share in her suffering
Where is Eli vanto since he was with thrawn even when he was an admiral it wasn't until he was Grand Admiral when he didn't appear anymore as he join the chess ascendancy
The Empire is Forever !
We are all the Empire
In Ahsoka he looks like Elon Musk. Here he looks like Michael Myers.
I wish it was eli vanto than gilad pellaeon
Either Commander Vanto or Commodore Faro. While Pellaeon was mentioned the Thrawn: Treason, Vanto was his aid and was with him from the moment he joined the Empire and Faro his protégée and second in command
Does anybody know the name of this music in the background?
It’s Thrawns Theme
"Your designs are brilliant, but not cost effective. Many in the empire will trade lives for profit"
Oh look, Thrawn summarising exactly why the Empire fell in two sentences. If the empire had bothered to maintain flight craft that were better than X-Wings as a standard, instead of relying on masses of dogshit TIE/LN they would never have lost the death star. If they didnt build the death star, instead dedicating those ludicrous amounts of resources to more Star Destroyers and the more advanced TIE ships, they would dominate every space fight they engaged in. If they hadn't put *cost efficiency* ahead of *soldiers lives* they would have had a competant, well armed and equipped military who they didnt need to constantly train new recruits for every time they lose dozens of men to two plucky idiots in a space 18 wheeler.
Cutting costs also cuts reliability.
Long Live the Empire
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Who else wants to see Garrick Versio and Thrawn meet just once so we can have Lars and Mads Mikkelson together in SW?
Why not Morgan take her anger out on General Grievous and hunt him? Or hunt the Jedi who killed him?
She preferred to spend all her free time in developing a brand new craft hoping that the Empire would like her.
I wonder what the empire would have been like if Thrawn was the Emperor, and not Palpatine.
He was non human wouldve been to complicated by him as Grand Moff or in any way above Tarkin wouldve changed so much they mightve won
Should she be against general grievous
When in the timeline does this convo happen???
It's unbelievable how much they messed up Thrawn in the live action series. He is damm right creepy al la Hannibal Lecture in animation .
It’s mostly poor writing.
Funny since the actor’s brother plays Hannibal hehe
@@jessegonzales1530 OMG
Almost as if Thrawn was speaking of the USA
Would have made much more sense if this was the republic because she wants revenge on the seperatists. Seeing Thrawn as a low ranking republic officer would have been way cooler, the empire is getting old at this point.
The fact that they focused on Morgan and not Thrawn was a HUGE mistake in my opinion.
Revenge she says.
Against who or what?
All but one of those responsible are dead already, and the last of these now sits atop the very power structure she intends to climb.
Even taking into account that she’d not know this fact, who would she be looking to exact revenge on?
Why does Thrawn look like Elon Musk here?
because he is Elon Musk
Because its not rebels animation but clone wars animation
Morgan’s motivations make no sense. Grevious and Dooku are dead so who does she want revenge on? If anything it would make more sense for her to want revenge on the Sith because they orchestrated the massacre on Dathomir
I fuckin hate how he has pupils
Them retconning Thrawns tie defenders to a novody cares abiut elsbeth is peak the force is female
If anything’s terrible it’s that horrific grammar 😂 Plus imagine hating women that much as to care about a FICTIONAL character creating a FICTIONAL ship in a FICTIONAL world. That really shows your character bud, just saying
@@colbstar7389 Get 'em!!!
It was never told that Thrawn had any engineering skills.
@@masteryoghurt2110 In the Thrawn book while he is a junior officer, he is buying Clone Wars tech at scarp markets and fixing them. He did have mark I buzz droids, droideka and bits of a hyperdrive ring, to name some of it
So much better than Rebels