Hey, Steve, nice engineered solution for the spotter 😅. As you both mentioned, that angle loads the rod blanks differently than what would be done on the boat rail. Likely, most of the rods would have passed under normal fishing conditions even with the 100lb load.
All the pressure from the weight onto that corner between the rod and 2X4 is a very small surface area. If the rod is laid flat onto the rail then this would distribute the pressure/weight out more evenly.
This simulation has definitely happened on the boat, I’ve seen it first hand. While it’s not as common, people do have a tendency to high stick when they aren’t prepared to or haven’t fought a big fish before. Obviously this was taken to this extreme, but yes all these rods handle plenty well for our usual fishing conditions!
@@FishTheLegend if you are testing 60(80)-130 with 40 an 80. that is less than the line rating an barely the bottom of the rating. with that being the case the 50-100 rods should be tested at 30 an 60.
You guys should compare rods that all have the same rating instead of comparing 2x with 4x just comepare all 3x or 4x rated rods to get a true comparison.
In an ideal world, yes that would be great. These are the rods we had on hand to compare. Obviously it would be pretty expensive to buy brand new rods all rated exactly the same, so we’re doing our best with what we have at this point. But yes, we’d love to do that.
Have 2 custom UC Vipers being made right now for this season. However as a price point I did use the Okuma PCHXXH as my rail rods and usually fished 35lbs of drag. They all held on fish to 100. Have a 187 with a XXXXH.
CAPTAIN STEVE, & NAT LAST YEAR I JUST SAW YOU GUYS TO UTUBE GREAT PROGRAM IT TELL ME WHAT YOU NEED TO BRING OR TYPE FISHING RODS , REELS, TEST LINE AND HOOKS AND NOW I HAVE IDEA WHAT TO BRING. AND I STARTED TO GO DEEP SEA FISHING CUZ OFF YOUR VIDEO. I TURN 64 YEARS OLD LITTLE TO LATE AND MY ARMS ITS NOT STRONG LIKE YOU USED TO BE. BUT ITS OKAY I’M STILL GONNA TRY TO HAVE EXPERIENCE ! THANK YOU SO MUCH GUYS…👍🇺🇸😎☮️ ILL SEE YOU GUYS THE LAST WEEK OFF JUNE.
Super awesome video boys! You guys kick so much a$$. Appreciate the torture testing! Coming from a guy that caught albacore out of H&M on a glass rod! Lol!
Great video, guys (and gals). Wonderful demonstration of what conditions NOT to get into. Let the rod and reel work for you and don't go to full/sunset unless the fish is heading toward the horizon and there is no other choice. Now, perhaps I'm too old school, but was wondering if you thought about including CalStar or Seeker rail rods in this test? Regardless, well done, and thanks!
It's a torture test, not a "how to land a big one tutorial". We just wanted to bend these rods to the point of failure which would never be a goal when its fish on! Agreed, definitely never go full sunset. Something has to give whether it's the drag, the knot, the rod, etc. At this time, we tested rods that were available to us because they rods taken directly from the landing's rental rod lineup. If anyone from these companies or otherwise gives us rods to torture test, we will gladly make a video including Seeker, Calstar, United Composites, or others.
We have a rod at the ready for seeker for the next video! Would love to compare to a calstar as well, but this was all we had to compare from the landing. So glad you enjoyed the video!! Thanks for watching!
Crazy -- I would have been wearing a helmet with full face shield, and body armor. Those rods are made of glass and carbon fiber which could easily tear through flesh or imbed like shrapnel. You guys were lucky
Can we have Captain Steve tied to a harness and make a mad dash like a 200+ lb tuna making its run while Cat holds a rail rod trying to turn him around while he's sprinting? 😂 Appreciate these awesome videos, guys! Please make a video on techniques to fight a big tuna at the rail. What and what not to do. Also techniques on a 8-9 foot casting rod to fight a yellowtail, and maybe slow pitch or speed jigging techniques for other types of fish. Tight lines!
@@stevephelps4295 who manufacturers the blanks then? Most people I've talked too and what I've seen is they are going thru Batson to get the blanks. Haven't heard of FS having a factory that produces blanks.
How about testing the max drag of vertical jigging reels like the Jigging Master Monster Game PE8, Maxel Rage 90, Shimano Ocea Jigger 4000, Accurate BV 800, etc.
Idea for a torture test video, stress an Eddie bomb till the eye of the sinker fails?!? I haven’t done this yet but have talked about tying or chrimp 200 pound to each eye and tie the other end to two trucks see what breaks would be a cool video. Done this with 100# and had two dudes pull like tug of war and the line failed first. Just to prove you don’t need all the “safety” rigging.
Okuma xx741custom rail rod for drag setting at 20lb and all base guide epoxy crack. Is this normal for grand new rod? is all crack will absorb water and damage base guide?
This is unusual. Often new rods will have a cracking sound but not actual cracks. Our dozens of rent rods never cracked. Okuma does offer warranty on those rods, I would reach out to Okuma and see if they will replace. Perhaps a defective unit?
Coming from a aerospace materials testing background, your fixture should have located the rod fulcrum point at the grip area the same on all of the rods. Changing the fulcrum changes the stress loading on the rod. You did well for what you had. I had some photos of a composite structure failing with over 500,000 pounds on it that were only able to be captured using a sound trigger. This was before all of the high speed video capture cameras became available. When the sample failed, it sounded like a bomb going off. As for safety, a small Lexan shield between the rod and the guy lowering the weight was well as the guy holding on for dear life to the rod butt would probably help your workman's comp insurance rates.
I have a Avet TRX 50 I use for rail rod set up. Reel I fish at 30lbs to 45ish. Even with a 50 size reel fishing 45lbs of drag required fore arm strength and technique. Most people will never use above 25lbs of drag realistically unless your into cow size.
Love to see how the 7’6” UC Raptor would hold to 80 lb? Also the top 2X4 that supports the rail rod could maybe be tipped up to the same angle that the rod starts out at, so the rail grip gets 3 1/2” of support, not just a sharp corner. That seems to just invite a break off.
Great test, OMG those poor rods, lol. So, in all fairness for the rod, I can't see the so-called rail. It should be rounded some and not a sharp corner, with a rounded edge it will spread out that stress, in a bit more area of the rod.
Love it gents. It begs the question, is there really any practical reason to get a high end rail rod since you’re not really imparting any action or finesse during these types of situations?
There is a big range of gear that I would consider "high end" including all these rods tested. Do you HAVE to spend seeker, or United Composite money to land a big fish? No... If you do it often, will these rods make your life easier and help you land more fish without being repaired or replaced? Yes... Find something with enough backbone to use the rod to leverage the fish but a soft enough tip to keep some bend in the rod while fighting it.
@@TackleShopNate : thanks man, I have a 2x4/tac25 set up currently as a heavy but part of me feels like I could’ve gotten away with a Graftec/Fathom 60 and saved a good bit of cash. Would love to see a surface iron rod comparison one of these days but regardless it’s great work you guys are doing.
By definition, the upper grip. Typically a longer upper grip (above the reel) that's long enough to set the rod down on the rail without beating up the blank and the rail. Typically these days it's a 7'-8' composite rod with enough backbone to use the rod as a fulcrum to lift the fish while keeping your rod tip a safe distance from the boat.
@@FishTheLegend well just like you said no one will ever fish more than 40lbs of drag even at full, I can imagen you reeling the jig and getting hit by even a 100lber and you have 30lbs at strike, there goes your setup 🥴
Great video! Last one gave me way more faith in some of my old calstar and seekers that I knew were pretty strong but had no idea what they could really hold!
@@chriswertz1438 rail rods are not designed to be used on a rail? Gear has evolved just like anglers, they’re working smarter instead of harder, which is why we’re landing more big fish than ever before.
Hey, Steve, nice engineered solution for the spotter 😅. As you both mentioned, that angle loads the rod blanks differently than what would be done on the boat rail. Likely, most of the rods would have passed under normal fishing conditions even with the 100lb load.
All the pressure from the weight onto that corner between the rod and 2X4 is a very small surface area. If the rod is laid flat onto the rail then this would distribute the pressure/weight out more evenly.
This simulation has definitely happened on the boat, I’ve seen it first hand. While it’s not as common, people do have a tendency to high stick when they aren’t prepared to or haven’t fought a big fish before. Obviously this was taken to this extreme, but yes all these rods handle plenty well for our usual fishing conditions!
I did a trip in July with you, my buddy’s rod broke with a big ass yellowtail, you ran, saved and reeled it in! 😂
Haha! That’s awesome!! Glad to help & stoked we landed it!!
This is awesome. I still can't believe your other test video where the rod held up to 90lbs! Keep up the great vids!
Thank you! We can’t believe it either!
wow that was fun watching.would have been nice if the taipan 3x an the fishing syndicate 3x to make the challenge more even.
We’d love that too, but these were the rods on hand graciously donated by the landing. Glad you enjoyed watching the video though!!
@@FishTheLegend if you are testing 60(80)-130 with 40 an 80. that is less than the line rating an barely the bottom of the rating. with that being the case the 50-100 rods should be tested at 30 an 60.
should’ve donated a rod to me 😔 i’m in need of a rail rod
same bro
You guys should compare rods that all have the same rating instead of comparing 2x with 4x just comepare all 3x or 4x rated rods to get a true comparison.
In an ideal world, yes that would be great. These are the rods we had on hand to compare. Obviously it would be pretty expensive to buy brand new rods all rated exactly the same, so we’re doing our best with what we have at this point. But yes, we’d love to do that.
Have 2 custom UC Vipers being made right now for this season. However as a price point I did use the Okuma PCHXXH as my rail rods and usually fished 35lbs of drag. They all held on fish to 100. Have a 187 with a XXXXH.
How about a video on reels/setups for casting surface iron vs yo yo iron. ❤
This was a great video......Steve you are a brave man! Brave or Stupid, not sure which one HAHAHAHA
Let’s go with brave!!
interesting seeing the okuma, he kinda twisted it right before it gave up.
You twisted sickos loved it
Hahahah we’re happy to entertain!!
How many views to pay for this level of destruction 😭
@@scottleggejr all of them! 😂
CAPTAIN STEVE, & NAT LAST YEAR I JUST SAW YOU GUYS TO UTUBE GREAT PROGRAM IT TELL ME WHAT YOU NEED TO BRING OR TYPE FISHING RODS , REELS, TEST LINE AND HOOKS AND NOW I HAVE IDEA WHAT TO BRING. AND I STARTED TO GO DEEP SEA FISHING CUZ OFF YOUR VIDEO. I TURN 64 YEARS OLD LITTLE TO LATE AND MY ARMS ITS NOT STRONG LIKE YOU USED TO BE. BUT ITS OKAY I’M STILL GONNA TRY TO HAVE EXPERIENCE ! THANK YOU SO MUCH GUYS…👍🇺🇸😎☮️
ILL SEE YOU GUYS THE LAST WEEK OFF JUNE.
It was a pleasure fishing with you Amador! See you soon!
So glad we were able to help you!! Stoked to hear you’re coming out.
Super awesome video boys! You guys kick so much a$$. Appreciate the torture testing! Coming from a guy that caught albacore out of H&M on a glass rod! Lol!
Thank you! Glad you liked the video!
Ooohhhh sheittt breakin some rods today!😊
Quite a few!!
Great video, guys (and gals). Wonderful demonstration of what conditions NOT to get into. Let the rod and reel work for you and don't go to full/sunset unless the fish is heading toward the horizon and there is no other choice. Now, perhaps I'm too old school, but was wondering if you thought about including CalStar or Seeker rail rods in this test? Regardless, well done, and thanks!
It's a torture test, not a "how to land a big one tutorial". We just wanted to bend these rods to the point of failure which would never be a goal when its fish on! Agreed, definitely never go full sunset. Something has to give whether it's the drag, the knot, the rod, etc. At this time, we tested rods that were available to us because they rods taken directly from the landing's rental rod lineup. If anyone from these companies or otherwise gives us rods to torture test, we will gladly make a video including Seeker, Calstar, United Composites, or others.
We have a rod at the ready for seeker for the next video! Would love to compare to a calstar as well, but this was all we had to compare from the landing.
So glad you enjoyed the video!! Thanks for watching!
Crazy -- I would have been wearing a helmet with full face shield, and body armor.
Those rods are made of glass and carbon fiber which could easily tear through flesh or imbed like shrapnel. You guys were lucky
Great test I for one wanted to see this type of test
I have an Avet T-RX 50 2 speed 100lbs at strike. Better go to the gym.
Would have been awesome to see the big 3 of Socals fishery on this test as well. Seeker, Calstar and United Composites.
We have rods ready from seeker & UC for the next video - would love to compare to a calstar as well!!
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Can we have Captain Steve tied to a harness and make a mad dash like a 200+ lb tuna making its run while Cat holds a rail rod trying to turn him around while he's sprinting? 😂
Appreciate these awesome videos, guys! Please make a video on techniques to fight a big tuna at the rail. What and what not to do. Also techniques on a 8-9 foot casting rod to fight a yellowtail, and maybe slow pitch or speed jigging techniques for other types of fish. Tight lines!
Thanks for the ideas! That first one would be pretty funny!
Anyone know the blank info on the rainshadow???
RIP Okuma rods. Maybe Okuma will warranty them😂. ,
For anyone who doesn't know, fishing syndicate blanks are usually rainshadow (batson) .
100% not true. FS has their own line of rods
@@stevephelps4295 who manufacturers the blanks then? Most people I've talked too and what I've seen is they are going thru Batson to get the blanks. Haven't heard of FS having a factory that produces blanks.
Can I bring some rods to test?
Sounds like we'll be following this up with more rods, watcha got!
@@TackleShopNate I have some Shakespeare 80’s, cousins unlimited and I’m sure some other heavy rods around here
How about testing the max drag of vertical jigging reels like the Jigging Master Monster Game PE8, Maxel Rage 90, Shimano Ocea Jigger 4000, Accurate BV 800, etc.
We’re thinking about doing this one soon!!
Idea for a torture test video, stress an Eddie bomb till the eye of the sinker fails?!? I haven’t done this yet but have talked about tying or chrimp 200 pound to each eye and tie the other end to two trucks see what breaks would be a cool video. Done this with 100# and had two dudes pull like tug of war and the line failed first.
Just to prove you don’t need all the “safety” rigging.
Love the idea!
Okuma xx741custom rail rod for drag setting at 20lb and all base guide epoxy crack. Is this normal for grand new rod? is all crack will absorb water and damage base guide?
This is unusual. Often new rods will have a cracking sound but not actual cracks. Our dozens of rent rods never cracked. Okuma does offer warranty on those rods, I would reach out to Okuma and see if they will replace. Perhaps a defective unit?
Love love this types of videos!!!!!!
Right on!! Thanks!
TAIPAN's are "HARD"!!!!!
Which braid would you choose for meter braids? Is one better than another in 120 lb
Coming from a aerospace materials testing background, your fixture should have located the rod fulcrum point at the grip area the same on all of the rods. Changing the fulcrum changes the stress loading on the rod.
You did well for what you had.
I had some photos of a composite structure failing with over 500,000 pounds on it that were only able to be captured using a sound trigger. This was before all of the high speed video capture cameras became available. When the sample failed, it sounded like a bomb going off.
As for safety, a small Lexan shield between the rod and the guy lowering the weight was well as the guy holding on for dear life to the rod butt would probably help your workman's comp insurance rates.
I have a Avet TRX 50 I use for rail rod set up. Reel I fish at 30lbs to 45ish. Even with a 50 size reel fishing 45lbs of drag required fore arm strength and technique. Most people will never use above 25lbs of drag realistically unless your into cow size.
Love to see how the 7’6” UC Raptor would hold to 80 lb? Also the top 2X4 that supports the rail rod could maybe be tipped up to the same angle that the rod starts out at, so the rail grip gets 3 1/2” of support, not just a sharp corner. That seems to just invite a break off.
Sir, Could you try Calstar, Seeker, United, Phenix rod for subscriber? Thank you
Great test, OMG those poor rods, lol. So, in all fairness for the rod, I can't see the so-called rail. It should be rounded some and not a sharp corner, with a rounded edge it will spread out that stress, in a bit more area of the rod.
"Promo SM"
Are you guys getting new rods? I can think of a blank you should try
This is ridiculously awesome.
@@noelconklin5916 glad you like the video!
These are interesting tests. Setting up a balanced combo is always fun.
Nicely done great stress test this matters to me
So glad you liked it!
Good thing my old arse can’t hang on to anything that heavy 🤣🤣🤣
Steve ya did a fantastic tips on the rail rods , loved it 😅😅😅😅😅
You could’ve just given me these rods
How much $ in rods did u break?
Awsome tests.....I need to build one of these testers.
Do a seeker 2x4!
OSP 👑
Shoot !!!! That was great !!!
Thanks
Awesome info you guys!!! I was squinting the whole time... 😜😜
Right! Eeeek - I wouldn’t want to be Steve with his face right next to a lot of those breaks.
Love it gents. It begs the question, is there really any practical reason to get a high end rail rod since you’re not really imparting any action or finesse during these types of situations?
There is a big range of gear that I would consider "high end" including all these rods tested. Do you HAVE to spend seeker, or United Composite money to land a big fish? No... If you do it often, will these rods make your life easier and help you land more fish without being repaired or replaced? Yes... Find something with enough backbone to use the rod to leverage the fish but a soft enough tip to keep some bend in the rod while fighting it.
@@TackleShopNate : thanks man, I have a 2x4/tac25 set up currently as a heavy but part of me feels like I could’ve gotten away with a Graftec/Fathom 60 and saved a good bit of cash.
Would love to see a surface iron rod comparison one of these days but regardless it’s great work you guys are doing.
Thanks for the question & input fellas!
Glad you enjoy the videos!!
Can I have a rod?
What makes a rail rod? A true rail rod?
By definition, the upper grip. Typically a longer upper grip (above the reel) that's long enough to set the rod down on the rail without beating up the blank and the rail. Typically these days it's a 7'-8' composite rod with enough backbone to use the rod as a fulcrum to lift the fish while keeping your rod tip a safe distance from the boat.
OK I thought it would be more of the way the rod was built. Longer section of glass from the butt. Or something along those lines. Lesson learned.
are they cover by the warranty? 😂
I wish!
@@FishTheLegend well just like you said no one will ever fish more than 40lbs of drag even at full, I can imagen you reeling the jig and getting hit by even a 100lber and you have 30lbs at strike, there goes your setup 🥴
Great video! Last one gave me way more faith in some of my old calstar and seekers that I knew were pretty strong but had no idea what they could really hold!
Pretty crazy right!
Have to disagree here, rods are not designed for use on rail, especially with drag pinned. Stand up, be a man!
@@chriswertz1438 rail rods are not designed to be used on a rail? Gear has evolved just like anglers, they’re working smarter instead of harder, which is why we’re landing more big fish than ever before.
@@FishTheLegend ok
Awesome video!
Thank you!!