Teeaboo Reacts - Neon Genesis Evangelion (EVA) Episode 24 - Severed Connections
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Since you're watching Utena and Evangelion at the same time and I'm already sharing the special brand of bizarre that is Kunihiko kuhara's commentary over on those videos I will go ahead and mention that there is a rumor that Kaworu was based on Ikuhara. Ikuhara has commented on this claim:
evaresources.wordpress.com/staff/ikuhara-kunihiko/
The magical power of “You’re fine just the way you are”
I have been asked directly by a few people before now if I was the model for Kaworu. Where did that information come from? I was completely uninvolved [in Kaworu’s creation as one of the principals. Kaworu is very good-looking, so if I said I was his model I imagine I would receive complaints from his fans.
However, it’s not the case that I have no idea at all [what the speculation might refer to]. During the period when Evangelion was still in its preparatory stages, I was in very close contact with Anno-san. At that time, the staff of Sailor Moon went on a company trip to an onsen, and Anno-san was also among our members. [1] The two of us ended up talking the whole night. Even after everyone else had collapsed we went on and on, drinking sake and talking, sitting side by side in an open air bath and talking.
So, I think the conversation we had that night had perhaps the same flavor as the exchange between Kaworu and Shinji. I also felt this way when I saw episode 24 for myself. Well, the situation with the bath was the same; that’s easy enough to understand.
But, it seems there are rumors - I’m not really sure - that the line of dialogue, “You are worthy of love,” was something I said to Anno-san, and so on (laughs). I don’t think it was a case where I was Kaworu and Anno-san was Shinji. Only, if I had to say which [is which], Anno-san seems to say more Kaworu-esque cynical things, right?
So, I remember telling [Anno] a story about the time of my adolescence. When I was 14 or 15 years old, I was truly in despair, thinking my life prospects were very bleak. With tests and such things, I had the feeling that I was not permitted even a slight failure. Today it seems like even failures receive attention, or that there is freedom to be “dame,” but at that time it seemed that you would have no future after failing even once. Up until the 70s there was the anpo toso [2], but when that ended, an atmosphere - “ah, as we suspected, you can’t revolutionize the world” - began to spread.
So, I thought that I would be dead before I was twenty years old, and any life I lived beyond that would be a kind of omake - that was the story I told [to Anno]. Probably, just the fact that I was able to tell that story was of value to both of us.
Beyond that, Anno-san loved Sailor Moon and told me he wanted to make a similarly enjoyable work. [3] I wonder if an aftershock had occured when this consciousness that was moving towards the pursuit of realism - a science fiction-like world setting, the details of machines, and so on - came into contact with a work like Sailor Moon.
Maybe that was a period where something like the pleasure of an ordinarily enjoyable anime seemed novel to Anno-san. My own impression of Anno-san is a feeling like he’s not human. He’s big, hunches over, and seems to resemble an Evangelion. [For example,] often he’s had a utility knife, and cried out “Yah!” as he slid the blade out (laughs).
He’s ordered to come back by his father, he’s slapped by Ayanami, he’s called stupid by Asuka, he’s yelled at to straighten up by Misato… Shinji doesn’t receive much affirmation from others. I think, in this situation, the only one who tells him that he’s fine just the way he is is Kaworu. “You don’t have to try to so hard.”
Perhaps because of that, after Kaworu appeared, the girls who had been watching Eva and who found it interesting but didn’t feel the kind of enthusiasm that the boys felt about it were able to finally connect emotionally with Shinji. Perhaps because of that everyone loves Kaworu. Hmm? Have I ever said to anyone, “you’re fine just the way you are”? Isn’t that something I’m always saying?
[1] Evangelion director Hideaki Anno participated as a staff member. Among other things, he directed the bank transformation sequences of Uranus and Neptune in Sailor Moon S, and worked on the genga of episode 103 of Sailor Moon S and of the Ikuhara-directed series Sailor Moon R.
[2] The term anpo (or ampo) toso refers to the widespread protest movement against the U.S.-Japan security treaty, which led to massive demonstrations in 1960 and 1970 (against the signing of the 1960 treaty and its renewal in 1970).
[3] Among other things, the appointment (as Misato) of Kotono Mitsuishi, the voice actress of Sailor Moon’s protagonist Usagi Tsukino, and the appointment (as Shinji) of Megumi Ogata, who had voiced a young boy in R, give an indication of Anno’s strong respect [for the series].
Fun fact: in the kaworu guide book, idk how much of it has been translated yet but, (other than being officially listed as shinji's homosexual love interest) it says kaworu is the only truly GOOD being in this series. Out of all the humans, angels, etc, he's the only one who is pure good. He's the angel of free will too, so to be purely good... He's a good boi (Kinda funny since he seems so suspicious at first)
The rebuild movies gives him a lot more screentime so their relationship build-up seems more natural, tho Kaworu is one of the only good things about rebuild...
There is an interesting thing about the AT-fields here. Kaworu describes them as the barriere of the heart, but the whole time he was with Shinji in this episode his AT-field was down (otherwise it would have been identified as blue). So Kaworu presented his heart as completly open and at its most vulnerable. I think Shinji felt that and thus he was so open when talking to him. He could feel Kaworus heart and felt no threat only his acceptance and love, making it more enraging when he felt betrayed and even more destructuve, when he kills him in the end.
Ah, the original and most influential white haired anime boy finally graced another person with his appearance. :P
Fun fact: Kaworu is voted the 2nd most popular male anime character of the 90's(in Japan) just right after Shinji despite his short screen time.
yo that's kinda sick
Kaworu Nagisa easily one of the most beloved characters in the Evangelion franchise, in the mangas (there is more than one), the movies, and the series.
He is always in the top two most popular characters in poll after poll, sometimes number 1, sometimes 2 (Asuka is the other one). His merchandise sells more items than any other character other than Asuka.
Yeah, Kaworu is popular, and I love him, as much as he loved Shinji.
If you consider what kind of life Kaworu's had (if he's had one at all), it would have been similar to Rei's: a science experiment raised by officials of Seele. For all his adeptness and skill with handling the Evas, it could very well be the case that his first meeting with Shinji is actually Kowaru's first meeting with a human being EVER that wasn't an unfeeling monolith trying to control him. If that's the case, it can be easily understood that he would form an immediate attachment to Shinji. Especially as Seele has apparently told Kaworu about Shinji before sending him on his mission.
The fact that Kawaru is given (mis)information by Seele makes it clear that they wanted him to form an attachment with Shinji, specifically. They state they are 'entrusting' him with their 'wish,' but later on state their desire that Unit 01 stop him. This and their other statements suggest they wanted Kaworu to believe they were sending him into the base as they wanted Adam's progeny to succeed the Earth; but in reality they just wanted to speed up the timeline and kill off the last angel.
What I think is most interesting about Kaworu is how unambiguously good he is. At least in my eyes. Certainly people can view him as evil and machiavelen, and even Shinji is enraged at his "Betrayal," but Kaworu is just...good. He was the godliest figure in the whole show. I think why we enjoy thinking about him so much is that, frankly, Kaworu is a (literal) deus ex machina that could have probably solved every problem in the entire show - but the fact of his existence meant he had to die. I like to imagine the scene that would play out if Kaworu were to have met Asuka. I'd pay cash money for Anno to just tell me what would have happened if Kaworu came face to face with Gendo.
Instead, his time was cut short. The brightest of flames and all that.
Fun fact, that red shot of Kaworu's face that is in a Rei bit of the latter part of the episode is one of the flashes in the OP.
Kaworu is one of my favorite things in Evangelion. Although his segment of the story comes off as a bit rushed in NGE, it still is the source of tons of interesting discussion points. In fact, this is probably one of the most commonly discussed episode in the whole series and one of the most popular. Also, while I think NGE and End of Evangelion are definitely a few steps above any of the other Evangelion content like the Rebuilds, the manga, etc, Kaworu is a character that has really benefitted from some of that extra material. Some of which draws from earlier plans for the series where he is around for longer and plays a more important role. If you ever get around to it, there is some really cool stuff there.
The big argument with this episode is to what extent Kaworu's intentions and his relationship with Shinji were pure. When I first watched the series, there was also loads nasty homophobic stuff involved in the discussion although that has thankfully died down over the years. There is definitely a reasonable cynical argument that I have seen made that casts Kaworu in a much more negative manipulative light where he is only using Shinji to achieve his goals until giving up and suiciding making Shinji feel bad in the process. But thematically, I have always preferred seeing him as having generally good intentions. I think he did "love" Shinji as much as an Angel could although perhaps you could say it is a bit more like fascination. Kaworu comes off as a Lilim-phile with his humming of classical music and fascination with the human mindset. As such, I've always seen the connection between him and Shinji as serving as the end of the progression that has shown up a few times of Angels gaining increased closeness to humanity.
As one last interesting note, Hideaki Anno once said that Kaworu was what Shinji saw as an ideal version of himself. This fits nicely with Shinji's sad spiel at the end of the episode about how Kaworu was better than him.
His internal monologues, his appearance in EOE and his obsession with Shinji and Shinji alone in the Rebuilds to me proves that he isn't malevolent at all and not trying to just manipulate him...though I could argue that he could've TRIED doing things differently to help Shinji be a little more happier(like he wanted him to be) or at least end his own life so as to not make things harder for Shinji than it needed to be.
@@Mutterschwein Hopefully the final movie will reveal everything with that regard, huh. (hope)
@@dana8503 Anno taking too long to make the damn thing + the fact that they turned Rebuild KawoShin into cheap fujobait(unlike this tv series/EOE KawoShin where it's more genuine despite being shorter) is actually pissing me off so I'm not very hopeful.
I'm pretty sure both of their feelings were genuine, although translation comes off as odd because english doesn't normally use the word for "like", or "suki" in the romantic sense. The words Kaworu said to Shiji and what Shiji admitted after he killed Kaworu was not "love", because that was way too much to say for the short time they knew each other, but an romantic interest much like an infatuation, which both of them would have been interested in developing into more. Which, I agree, in Kaworu's case probably stemmed from a fascination, while in Shinji's case was a crush.
Some viewing notes on the finale, in case you weren't aware: EoE occurs just after the events of episode 24 and somewhat in parallel to the events of 25 and 26, but from an entirely different perspective. The two complement each other in a way that isn’t clear until it all clicks into place near the end. If you don't get the answers you wanted in the first part, they're coming.
The timing is important because it helps us feel where Shinji is at by the start of EoE. He’s been through absolute hell the past several months, hurt, betrayed, used as a tool, and everyone around him he relied on for support and normalcy are crumbling (Asuka, Ritsuko), dead (Kaji), gone (Toji, Kensuke), cold (Misato), and alien (Rei). This whole show he's been keeping people at a slight distance, and when he finally lets someone in they turn out to be "the enemy" and he has to kill them in order to survive. "Kaworu was the one who should have survived." he says. That's a hard thing to think.
Thanks for the kind comments in this episode and the last.
This is densest “deep lore” episode, but I think you understood an impressive amount of it for a first viewing. It’s part of the show’s charm to me, but I wish they had had a more relaxed production schedule as I think this could have been two episodes’ worth, easy. It’s also made more difficult because some of what Seele is saying here are lies, on top of Kaji’s earlier confusion about Adam/Lilith. In retrospect, Lilith looks nothing like Adam, the winged giant we saw in the flashbacks to the Katsuragi expedition.
My interpretation is that Seele is telling Kaworu “Hey, we’re on your side, you Angels are the true owners of the Earth, your body (Adam's) is in Nerv’s basement, go get it”. But then later we see them expressing the hope that Unit 1 will win, so it seems that their intent was to trick Kaworu into going to Nerv only to be destroyed. They needed him out of the way for their plans to work.
Kaworu on the other hand is drawn to the body of Adam, like all the other angels, but I think he’s also being genuine with Shinji. He comes off like a cultural connoisseur or someone who comes to appreciate humanity. I see it as classic instinct vs. free will. His instinct will lead to humanities’ destruction, so he chooses to die rather than let that happen.
What the last several episodes have been ramping up to, Good 'ole episode 24: "You Were (Not) Ready".
There's an interesting contrast to how Shinji tentatively allowed Kaworu to hold his hand as opposed to how violently he yanked it away from Misato in the previous episode. This in spite of the fact that he's lived with Misato for months yet only met Kaworu the previous evening. Granted, part of it is likely because Shinji sees Misato as an older-sister/surrogate-mother figure, which made her attempt at physical intimacy pretty fucked up (see my last comment about how that gesture was very likely _not_ platonic), making Misato even more screwed up than you might have initially thought and Shinji's disgusted reaction quite justified. However, the way Kaworu deftly passed through the prickly surface of "Shinji The Hedgehog" more easily than anyone else ever could demonstrates his otherworldly nature - how he's such a pure, empathetic, perfect "angelic" being to the point where he can erode your own personal AT field so quickly and thoroughly you'd literally go gay for him.
I saw Kaworu's smile at Rei as less smug, but more sympathetic. A sort of sad and resigned "Welp, this is the end for me, but you've still got some shit to go through. Good luck." Incidentally, even if you didn't particularly like him. Kaworu is actually very, _very_ popular. The marketing team clearly realized this early on and slapped him onto posters and just about every other form of Eva promotional material. If all you ever saw was the merch and advertising, you'd think this one-episode pretty-boy was a main character. It's to the point where in the following decades, multiple anime have tried to cash in on his likeness by using thinly veiled Kaworu clones as characters. I wouldn't be surprised if he has the highest popularity/screen-time ratio of any anime character of all time.
I find it both cute and sad that Hyuga essentially confesses his feelings for Misaso when it seemed like they're all probably going to die. It's been hinted at a few times as a clearly one-sided crush, but it's still bittersweet yet tactful that Misato doesn't outright reject him but just says "thank you". It's clear she doesn't reciprocate his feelings but at the same time doesn't want his last moments alive to be getting shot down by the girl he likes. It's one of those little humanizing moments that didn't necessarily need to be there but makes this fantastical story about people feel so real.
Also, good luck figuring out the whole Lilim/Adam "Black Moon"/"White Moon" thing. It's probably one of the most dense, cryptic, out-of-context lore drops ever.
Finally, you may have figured out that Megumi Hayashibara is both the voice of Rei and Yui, but did you realize that she's also the voice of... *Pen Pen!?* Clearly Pen Pen is the key to all of this.
Kaworu is very popular, SO VERY popular, I think if he's not in the final movie, or at least a reference to him, there might be a revolt. Not that Ano isn't a stranger to that.
Alright, my time to shine with a comment for once! Because goddamn, that long still shot at the end is one of my favorite fucking pictures of all time.
There's not even a background and yet, it perfectly captures Shinji's utter, absolute loneliness and isolation at this point.
Asuka, Rei, his friends from school, Misato, Kaji, even Ritsuko... *everyone* is gone, he doesn't have anyone to comfort him or to talk to anymore. Despite still being surrounded by a lot of people he's now completely alone...
Then, out of nowhere, Kaworu appears and gives him hope, the kind of friendliness and acceptance he needed -
only to put him in a position where he's ultimately forced to kill the one, single person who gave him hope during these times.
There's no one who can communicate or tell him what to do down there anymore, the decision is his alone.
The boring background, the comparably tiny Kaworu in his hand all work together to perfectly signal you this emptiness.
In a way, you can see Shinji's entire arc up to this point culminating in this single picture...and that's why I honestly never cared that they let it sit still there for so long.
I always thought that the smile was Kaworu's default expression and that is part of what makes him so unnerving, his body language never coincides with what he is saying.
I never really understood the inclusion of the bits of Ode to Joy in this episode, but after looking at the lyrics, there seems to be a lot there that could tie into it. "...Within thy sanctuary.
Thy magic power re-unites all that custom has divided...", "All who can call at least one soul theirs,
join our song of praise;", "Brothers, above the starry canopy
, there must dwell a loving father.", "World, do you know your creator?" I dunno, maybe I'm looking too far into its inclusion.
Ah, yes, the (arguably) gay angel.
Kaworu is a very interesting character, and it's rather sad we don't see more of him in the anime. He makes this episode a strong contender for my favorite - though I may like episode 23 a bit more, as Asuka's psyche is fascinating.
I'd say it's a good chance Shinji is bisexual, who knows about Kaworu. Source: the original script, and Shinji's blush.
I always interpreted Kaworu smile to Rei as a gentle one. Smiling to her as if he knows she will be the one doing that part in the future.
Only 6 minutes into the show, "is this a fucking angel... do not trust..." very perceptive!
Finally, Kaworu and Ode to Joy.
even though this is a super old reaction its really fun and interesting to see how someone else reacts to kaworu, since i originally watched this series BECAUSE OF HIM (imagine my shock when he showed up once and then died) so the moment he was on screen all thoughts of "who is this suspicious guy" went over my head. nice to see what reaction from the perspective of someone who doesn't know who he is beforehand and finally see just how weird and suspicious he is the whole time
It's unfortunate that you were so very detached emotionally from these characters and stories, that the only thing that kept you going here is the 'mindfuck' around the corner of every episode. So focused on taking notes, on reading three steps ahead of the script, on grasping the 'true meaning' of everything as much as feasibly possible, that you brush of anything seemingly arbitrary and counter productive to these goals.
The absolute apathy to the struggles of these characters, that you yourself mentioned felt like actual people, was the most concerning during this watch. It's unfortunate that it took this long for me to notice just how distracted you were while watching. Certainly this series is praised for it's depth of lore, references, use of themes and composition, writing and so on, but it isn't a documentary to analyze and dissect: It's a story to experience. To experience Asuka Langley's suffering, Shinji Ikari's dread of being perceived, and Rei Ayanamei's pain of loneliness. The footage, the cuts and shots composited together to create a scene, the use of music and voice acting and pacing, all of it comes together with the intention of encompassing you in a swath of emotions. Yet only impatience moves your lips and toils at your soul.
What moves people are not words of science and literary analysis, but rather what science can do and what the literary analysis reveals. If you say a bird is dead, it means very little. A bird is dead. But once you explain it, and show what it means to others, that's when you get people talking. That's when you get people moving. That's when emotions take root. And as soon as a person goes to talk to someone about it, and what it means, only for them to share the story of 'The Bird is Dead', rather than 'The Story of the Bird Who is Dead" does it's value plummet. People have been telling you, Teaboo, to watch this story. Yet the only thing your taking away from this story are the mechanical parts help it run. Leaving the heart as scraps, unneeded and useless. The most obvious being in this episode, where the lack of any obvious new information drives your impatience up the wall. In which you want Shinji, a boy who's finally been told he's loved and accepted for who he is, to hurry up and kill 'The Angel'. In which you never considered Kaworu to be anything more than An Angel That Is An Enemy And Must Be Killed. Listened to his words to uncover The Big Truth, rather than words of a friend who genuinely accepted Shinji, and truly loved him. Whose most famous line "I was probably born to meet you" being not a phrase to express his emotion, his feelings, but something of Grander Scale that most obviously was to be taken literally. Sorry, for me, that really was the straw that broke the camel's back.
This isn't to say that I personally want you to shed tears at the 'Shed Tears Here' parts, but rather that you value those moments as much as you do the directing of the scene. As the scene itself is trying to reach your heart, just as much you head. Hideako Anno wrote this show not to be praised for the writing/directing of it, but to express his emotions. To give them shape, because where he was at this time when he wrote it wasn't a good place. In his own words, Anno wrote: "I tried to include everything of myself in Neon Genesis Evangelion - Myself, a broken man who could do nothing for four years. A man who ran away for four years, one who was simply not dead. Then one thought. 'You musn't run away,' came to me, and I restarted this production. It is a production where my only thought was to burn my feelings into the film." This series, in a nutshell, is a representation of Hideako Anno's very soul given story and form. He mentions in other interviews that everything that happens in 25/26 is exactly as he wanted, as it represented his inner self at the time, and the story he wove, the best.
I'm no literary genius, as you can probably tell from the formatting and whatnot of this 'essay with no specified reason', but what I want you to take from this is: Foster your emotions further, take care not only to get a glimpse at the grander picture, but also for the characters and scenarios that the director themselves have faced. For these aren't simply to improve the craft of story telling, but also as a form of release. In this way, they are able to express fear and worries that they wouldn't normally be able to, for them to experience a love that would be impossible in our world, to see horizons that we aren't normally aware of. Long story short: Take care not only to see what the director intends for you to see, but also to feel what they want you to feel. Detaching yourself from one or the other to much hampers the overall quality far more than most expect. Unless, of course, the emotional side of this story genuinely is uninteresting to you.
Kaworu = reincarnation of adam with adam’s soul
Gendo has the embrio of adam born from second impact (with kaworu)
Rei= yui’s clone body with lilith soul from the chamber of guf. that’s why even when they used the lance of longhinus it didn’t wake up, because it is incomplete
The angels go to lilith because they think it’s adam Also beacause the “white moon of adam” is lost, they go to the “black moon” which is istead of lilith
Kaworu would life forever because angels have di S^2 engine inside them with infinite energy (said in one of the initial episodes) and so also the evas
They wanted kaworu to fuse with lilith to cause the third impact, but the reason is a spoiler to the end of Eva so i don’t say it 😂
The angels are pecfect organisms (immortals) but as we know from episode 23 they are alone, they try to understand human’s mind to find a cure for it. kaworu the last angel understands that his perfection is meaningless, because loneliness would be his destiny. He instead prefers to let the lilim live and decides to follow the orders of the seele (the boss of humanity). His feelings for shinji I think are totally platonic. He sees him as his ideal of a human (imperfect being) and has unconditioned simpaty for him and desires humanity to survive because of their will to live.
IIRC that comment Kaworu makes about the black and white moons is the only mention of them in the series. Like a lot of things it gets expanded on outside of the show (in a video game of all things) and while interesting it's really not necessary to enjoy the show so it's not worth getting hung up on. After all, under all the pseudo-religous, pseudo-scientific window-dressing it's just a story about people.
That said, we're in the home stretch. It's been a fantastic show so far but you're about to see what makes it so legendary.
Without spoiling what the moons are: There are some heavy implication throughout the series. Especially the movie makes it very clear
Love your videos I hope we will get at last 3 hours of End of Evangelion analysis
This is the turning point of NGE.
Lilith didn't exist in the first script but Anno decided to change the underground giant into Lilith in this episode.
They had gathered much information about Kabbala so Anno was unsatisfied with the original plotline.
The underground giant was Adam before they made this episode.
interesting. any source?
@@cesverc the original script of ep24 was released on a magazine called June, but its English
translation is on EvaGeeks.
The story about when and why Anno added Lilith is on a book called Schizo Evangelion, the chapter called カヲルについて.
@@ehoba wow thank you
@@ehoba just so you know, I read the script and it's very interesting. Don't know if it's possible to read the Schizo Evangelion book online though. But since you are so knowledgeable, can I ask you this: why does Kaji tell Misato that the giant is Adam? Did they change it to Lilith in just a couple of episodes? Why couldn't they go back and fix what Kaji said before the episode aired? Also, Kaji already delivered an embryo that Gendo calls "Adam". Shouldn't Kaji know the giant can't possibly be Adam?
@@cesverc GAINAX tried to fix the plot by extra scenes in the VHS, not changing the original footage. Maybe, they thought it was the right thing to do. For example, Kaworu's conversation with Seele and the video recording of Adam experiment in the antarctic were added when the VHS was released.
That can cause two major questions. Actually, we need to guess or make up in-verse explanation on them. Eva fans have already discussed that issue and come to some conclusions like this website. anime-room.jp/modules/evangelion/eva-doc/new-adam4.htm
The first question is about Kaji's comment like you said. The second question is why Naoko Akagi didn't know the fact that EVA 00 to 01 were made from Lilith.
Those two questions can be solved by the time lag between Adam Project and E Project.
Both Kaji and Naoko knew that EVAs are made in E Project. They also knew that Adam is supposed to be the source material in E Project. However, they didn't know that Lilith was used in the early days of E Project.
私としては、先に「End of EVANGELION」を見ることをお勧めする。25話と26話はその後の方がいいと思う。
ここはあえて貞エヴァを先に読んで幸せになってから旧劇見てもらったほうが…w
「この番組は御覧のスポンサーの提供でお送りいたします」😂😂❣️
omg your Japanese is so cool!
After EoE you should watch the video "Evangelion Explanation in 7 Minutes!!!" and maybe even react to it. It's the most accurate explanation of Eva's lore out there.
I would recommend you to see Welcome to the N.H.K
A little known anime, but without a doubt quite good
Nothing more,
Good reaction and I say goodby