Iv had xlifter for around 2years on my d3 it’s pretty awesome! I use 35mm lift for normal driving and find it more comfortable than std. I lower 20mm on motorway. The self level is a game changer camping, surprising how many expensive campervans park on the piss.
A really good and useful review of ex lifter. I have had one fitted in my discovery4 for a couple of years and camp in the back of the car when Hunting and off-roading. It really does work without interfering with the normal suspension functions in every day use. For me,Sam’s video was good in that it explained several of the other functions that I had not bothered with. I have used it with deeplyrutted tracks and swampy ground ,to good effect.
Well, after your recommendation Sam, I ordered an X-Lifter from Devon4x4 and it arrived today and is now installed this eve. Your video was spot on, especially ours with the extra module top-right being a squeeze! Oddly when I was easing the panel back in, I thought I could hear some relays clicking up front towards the dash… I checked all the connections and everything not just the ones relevant, we’re all snug. After calibration I didn’t go through all the levels, the trailer or levelling mode but the comp temp went up to 107! (Critical). 🥴 any idea what this is indicating? Is the comp on its way out? Thanks again Sam, another of your vids has put a dent in my wallet 🤣😁 cheers Matti.
Neat, but what do you do for alignment? The L322 changes toe significantly between the different height settings from what I remember. A couple years ago we played with base suspension calibration settings on the alignment rack and quickly realized you need to set your alignment at your “normal” height as going any significant distance at a different height would not be a good idea if you liked your tires. I’m fairly certain that’s why “access height” won’t let you drive very far, because the road will ruin your tires quickly. Off-road isn’t as big of a deal due to reduced friction which is why you can lock 4WD hubs on dirt but you’ll destroy your differential if you do it on-road. The level function is neat and I’d use the trailer loading for sure, but I don’t see this being useful for anyone wanting to change height on the fly and then drive any distance unless I’m missing something.
Good points, thanks! I’d suggest that if you’re running a full time “aesthetic lift” like me, you get the tracking redone at the new height to minimise tyre wear and handling changes etc. Then, like you say, any further height changes that are temporary or off road only aren’t an issue. As an aside, before getting the X-lifter I did around ~10,000 miles with a 25mm lift (without adjusting tracking), and haven’t noticed any untoward tyre wear. The handling is noticeably different but it’s more the higher CoG and increased body roll that you notice. Cheers for the comment!
That looks like a very cool product. You made the wiring look easy, but it is still pretty intimidating to me. Hope you get a lot of good use out of it.
Brilliant product, as it's an import you need to factor in import duty of around £98.00 on top of he purchase price still worth it. I have a disco 4. Lowering the ride high also is great for cornering they tell me 🙂
Great video! I could do with one of those to make it easier for my dog to jump into the tailgate. Did you also install the telestart module or is that a factory module?
Yeah you could definitely use it for that. The telestart is a factory option I believe (although I think most 4.4 TDV8s have it). It can be retrofitted if you can find the bits!
Hi Sam love your vids, I just wondered if you could do so relational videos to include the Range Rover sport, I have a 2010 - 2012 sport and would love an xlifter on my car many thanks Paul
Hi Paul, thanks! The installation process for the Sport will be very similar. I believe X-Lifter have an installation video up on their website or RUclips channel 👍
Great video..thankyou for finally explaining the cars 'actual' self levelling function and what level it was trying to achieve..i presume the discovery 3 will be the same..
Highway mode comes into effect after travelling at over 62mph for 30secs or more and lowers 20mm. Good bit of kit, not for me as I won't need to level the car for roof tents etc, just need to find flat ground for the tent.
Also not sure where 62mph comes from, for the 2010+ model year it’s 100mph for more than 5 seconds and then stays down until you drop below 80 for 30 seconds. So the x-lifter drop might be useful if you’re cruising at a more normal speed 👍
@@SamsMotors I’m not sure where it came from either, I saw it somewhere. It makes more sense to drop at 62mph (100kmh), not many places in the world you can drive at 100 mph. So your x-lifter might come in handy.
@@SamsMotors you never know, what else do you have in the pipeline? I’ve just got a budget compressor, that’ll be in next weeks video, so I don’t need one of those. 🤣
@@Bensgarage I know the P38 was 60mph but they raised it on the L322 through the years - I reckon they were trying to reduce the number of worn out compressors they were replacing or something like that.
Hey Sam, what would happen if the x-Lifter is in extended mode and the off-road height on the L322 is selected? Will there be a warning? Can you physically over-extend the air-suspension or is there a safety cut off? Top videos btw! Love my L322 :)
I believe they need to know RHD and LHD because the air bags, struts, are different depending on which side the driver sits. Also, the L322 EAS is different to all other LR EAS systems on how they monitor each corner, the L322 has a more complicated EAS programming logic than the L320 and D3/D4, they can’t be shared.
Actually, RHD/LHD settings only swap the inclinometer axes. The only reason is that the Xlifter EAS unit is mounted "mirrored" fashion. The "Front" orientation in LHD car becomes "back" in RHD, so you need to tell the xlifter which way is right...As simple as that. Btw in L322 2010+ has the original suspension computer in the trunk always on the right side, no matter if LHD or RHD. The setting is ignored in this case.
Hey Sam, just a quick question if you see this. Just watched Harry’s garage with Clarkson (great vid!). They mention the upgrade to the L322 where it got the ‘cloud lcd’ dashboard screen. Clarkson said when they used to film, the crew getting in & out of the car would fire up the ECU every time & then drain the battery. Have you experienced this at all? Cheers Sam (keep up the great work!)
Hey Chris, thanks for the comment! The times where I've come closest to draining the battery this way are when I'm working on something inside it - e.g. when I replaced the seats and door cards, or when I fitted the CarPlay kit. I've never drained it to the point where it won't start though! I'm guessing maybe Clarkson's crew were charging camera equipment and other devices etc off the 12V system, adding to the load. They need a good AGM battery to be sure of a strong start. Sam
Hi Sam, thanks for the reply. Awesome! Yes as a fellow engineer & L322 enthusiast, i completely agree with your assessment. I personally think the 4.4tdv8 is of course the best L322 - however I actually wondered if this ‘potential’ battery draining issue with the LCD cloud screen was a possible Achilles heel I had never really considered! Always interesting to learn new insights into the L322 ! Awesome channel Sam, keep up the great work 👍
In my experience there is no issue, even when it has sat for a week. The full LCD cluster is quite pretty for its age too. Under normal usage no issues with flat battery.
I think the main drainage would come from the interior lights not the ecu, which u can disable by holding the start button and the main interior light switch for a few seconds to bring them out of AUTO-Mode.
I own both the DISCO4 (with X lifter) and a TD V8 RR. I have totally stopped using the RR for off-road stuff. I do regret selling the 1990 RR classic with front and back ARB diff locks 2”lift and roll cage. it was too short to sleep in.
I changed the grille as mine was pretty knackered, most of the mountings were broken. I’m planning to address the lack of auxiliary lights on the front soon though 👍💪
@@SamsMotorslol, came here to ask about the grill! I like the black look and have contemplated swapping my dark gray grill for a black one as I've blacked out my wheels and emblems. Would like grill to match.
From exchanging a couple emails with the vendor I understand that if you use Xlifter to add height, say 25mm, and then use the Land Rover control to go to offroad height the usual LR height increase will be added to the. 25mm thus resulting in what is essentially extended mode. Could you please try this and report back?
@SamsMotors Thanks for the reply. Just wanted to make sure I understood correctly. You sure would not want to use Xlifter to add 75mm and then hit the UP switch🙄
Hi Sam nothing to do with this video I’ve got a 3.6 2010 sort range my front and rear parking sensors not worked all time I’ve had it . I did plug it in checked wiring found brak in it sorted now no codes it says all is. Working rear work but front don’t any idea wat this could be any help greatly appreciated cheers Sam
Any codes for the sensors? If not I presume they’re turned off in the car’s configuration. If you have an IID tool you can check to see that they’re turned on in the config / CCF.
The 4.4 TDV8 seems to have hovered around £8-15k for quite a while now (at least since I bought mine). You can get the occasional sub-£8k bargain though.
Hi Sam, I was on about the price of X Lifter’s 😂 Funnily, wifey was just asking the other day how much did I think our Fatty is worth. We’ve had it 6months now. Cheers Matti.
aaarrgh......@13:35 So annoying that X-Lifter missed a typo for 'Right' Hand (RIGTH HAND!) in Set Steering Position mode. Bet that'll grate with you too Sam. 😀
@@Cromwell199 That is always the concern especially with complex electronic gadgets. The product should inspire confidence, and this kind of thing can dent that which in turn could impact sales. I understand from Sam that it is a Czechoslovakian company, so some leeway can be granted, but QC needs looking at if they are to expand into foreign markets. Hopefully Sam's test review will assist them with that.
I'll let Jan know. As you've pointed out - it's likely a bad translation from Czech - but thankfully it seems like it's pretty easy to update the firmware via their app, so they should be able to correct it now ❤
:) Oops, missed that. Indeed, English isn't my native but this is just a typo error. My bad, I'll fix it in the next firmware release, thanks for pointing that out. Jan
There are two main concerns with implementing a device like this that can damage your vehicle. 1) the control arm bushings relative to your ride height. They have to be adjusted to your new ride height or they will prematurely wear and fail as they are twisted. 2) the camber of your wheels and tires at you new ride height. You have to get an alignment if you plan on driving at speed with a different ride height or you will get odd tire wear and possibly upset the stability of the vehicle. I think these devices are cool, but if you intend to keep the ride height adjusted during road driving, you absolutely must make proper adjustments to the vehicle to prevent unintended damage. I hope this company makes the customer aware of these issues, because I would imagine them getting upset after discovering these issues and wanting to discard the device.
The Range Rover lowers by 20mm at highway speeds, which is set by Land Rover. I'm sure they would have worked that one out. And I think if you're driving round in the higher settings at speed, it won't be long until you put it back down. Any handling the car has, will be out the window at those heights.
@@Bensgarage Do they though? The earlier ones do, but the 2010+ doesn't show it on the dash like the earlier ones did, so perhaps they don't actually lower at speed... It's also not mentioned in the manual or workshop manual on the 2010+.
Iv had xlifter for around 2years on my d3 it’s pretty awesome! I use 35mm lift for normal driving and find it more comfortable than std. I lower 20mm on motorway. The self level is a game changer camping, surprising how many expensive campervans park on the piss.
A really good and useful review of ex lifter. I have had one fitted in my discovery4 for a couple of years and camp in the back of the car when Hunting and off-roading. It really does work without interfering with the normal suspension functions in every day use. For me,Sam’s video was good in that it explained several of the other functions that I had not bothered with. I have used it with deeplyrutted tracks and swampy ground ,to good effect.
Well, after your recommendation Sam, I ordered an X-Lifter from Devon4x4 and it arrived today and is now installed this eve.
Your video was spot on, especially ours with the extra module top-right being a squeeze!
Oddly when I was easing the panel back in, I thought I could hear some relays clicking up front towards the dash… I checked all the connections and everything not just the ones relevant, we’re all snug.
After calibration I didn’t go through all the levels, the trailer or levelling mode but the comp temp went up to 107! (Critical). 🥴 any idea what this is indicating? Is the comp on its way out?
Thanks again Sam, another of your vids has put a dent in my wallet 🤣😁 cheers Matti.
Neat, but what do you do for alignment? The L322 changes toe significantly between the different height settings from what I remember.
A couple years ago we played with base suspension calibration settings on the alignment rack and quickly realized you need to set your alignment at your “normal” height as going any significant distance at a different height would not be a good idea if you liked your tires.
I’m fairly certain that’s why “access height” won’t let you drive very far, because the road will ruin your tires quickly. Off-road isn’t as big of a deal due to reduced friction which is why you can lock 4WD hubs on dirt but you’ll destroy your differential if you do it on-road.
The level function is neat and I’d use the trailer loading for sure, but I don’t see this being useful for anyone wanting to change height on the fly and then drive any distance unless I’m missing something.
Good points, thanks! I’d suggest that if you’re running a full time “aesthetic lift” like me, you get the tracking redone at the new height to minimise tyre wear and handling changes etc. Then, like you say, any further height changes that are temporary or off road only aren’t an issue.
As an aside, before getting the X-lifter I did around ~10,000 miles with a 25mm lift (without adjusting tracking), and haven’t noticed any untoward tyre wear. The handling is noticeably different but it’s more the higher CoG and increased body roll that you notice.
Cheers for the comment!
Brilliant piece of kit. 👍👍👍👍👍👍
That looks like a very cool product. You made the wiring look easy, but it is still pretty intimidating to me. Hope you get a lot of good use out of it.
Brilliant product, as it's an import you need to factor in import duty of around £98.00 on top of he purchase price still worth it. I have a disco 4. Lowering the ride high also is great for cornering they tell me 🙂
They are being sold through Devon 4x4 in the UK now, so no extra duty to be paid :)
Great video! I could do with one of those to make it easier for my dog to jump into the tailgate. Did you also install the telestart module or is that a factory module?
Yeah you could definitely use it for that. The telestart is a factory option I believe (although I think most 4.4 TDV8s have it). It can be retrofitted if you can find the bits!
Hi Sam love your vids, I just wondered if you could do so relational videos to include the Range Rover sport, I have a 2010 - 2012 sport and would love an xlifter on my car many thanks Paul
Hi Paul, thanks! The installation process for the Sport will be very similar. I believe X-Lifter have an installation video up on their website or RUclips channel 👍
@@SamsMotors thanks Sam keep the great vids coming :)
Great video..thankyou for finally explaining the cars 'actual' self levelling function and what level it was trying to achieve..i presume the discovery 3 will be the same..
Glad it was helpful!
Time to build the L322...
Get to it!
Highway mode comes into effect after travelling at over 62mph for 30secs or more and lowers 20mm. Good bit of kit, not for me as I won't need to level the car for roof tents etc, just need to find flat ground for the tent.
One day I’ll review a product that you will actually want to fit to your RR Ben 😂
Also not sure where 62mph comes from, for the 2010+ model year it’s 100mph for more than 5 seconds and then stays down until you drop below 80 for 30 seconds. So the x-lifter drop might be useful if you’re cruising at a more normal speed 👍
@@SamsMotors I’m not sure where it came from either, I saw it somewhere. It makes more sense to drop at 62mph (100kmh), not many places in the world you can drive at 100 mph. So your x-lifter might come in handy.
@@SamsMotors you never know, what else do you have in the pipeline? I’ve just got a budget compressor, that’ll be in next weeks video, so I don’t need one of those. 🤣
@@Bensgarage I know the P38 was 60mph but they raised it on the L322 through the years - I reckon they were trying to reduce the number of worn out compressors they were replacing or something like that.
Awesome mate!
Hi Sami couldn’t get your coupon code to work for the x-Lifter regards Paul
Great vid Sam I’m in the process of buying a tdv8 sport will your vids still be relevant
Hey Sam, what would happen if the x-Lifter is in extended mode and the off-road height on the L322 is selected? Will there be a warning? Can you physically over-extend the air-suspension or is there a safety cut off? Top videos btw! Love my L322 :)
Good question! I’ve asked X-lifter to see what their response is.
Probaly been asked but where can i get the kit too
I believe they need to know RHD and LHD because the air bags, struts, are different depending on which side the driver sits. Also, the L322 EAS is different to all other LR EAS systems on how they monitor each corner, the L322 has a more complicated EAS programming logic than the L320 and D3/D4, they can’t be shared.
Actually, RHD/LHD settings only swap the inclinometer axes. The only reason is that the Xlifter EAS unit is mounted "mirrored" fashion. The "Front" orientation in LHD car becomes "back" in RHD, so you need to tell the xlifter which way is right...As simple as that.
Btw in L322 2010+ has the original suspension computer in the trunk always on the right side, no matter if LHD or RHD. The setting is ignored in this case.
Hi Sam does the Xlifter override the existing controls ie a direct replacement.
Sam, would this assist when doing any maintenance eg oil change, trans oil etc when a level Fatty is required?
Certainly would! Good thinking actually, I hadn’t thought of that use case.
very good Sam, have you replaced your compressor at all?
Not while I've had it, but I'm pretty sure it's been replaced before.
Hey Sam, just a quick question if you see this. Just watched Harry’s garage with Clarkson (great vid!). They mention the upgrade to the L322 where it got the ‘cloud lcd’ dashboard screen. Clarkson said when they used to film, the crew getting in & out of the car would fire up the ECU every time & then drain the battery. Have you experienced this at all? Cheers Sam (keep up the great work!)
Hey Chris, thanks for the comment! The times where I've come closest to draining the battery this way are when I'm working on something inside it - e.g. when I replaced the seats and door cards, or when I fitted the CarPlay kit. I've never drained it to the point where it won't start though! I'm guessing maybe Clarkson's crew were charging camera equipment and other devices etc off the 12V system, adding to the load. They need a good AGM battery to be sure of a strong start.
Sam
Hi Sam, thanks for the reply. Awesome! Yes as a fellow engineer & L322 enthusiast, i completely agree with your assessment. I personally think the 4.4tdv8 is of course the best L322 - however I actually wondered if this ‘potential’ battery draining issue with the LCD cloud screen was a possible Achilles heel I had never really considered! Always interesting to learn new insights into the L322 ! Awesome channel Sam, keep up the great work 👍
In my experience there is no issue, even when it has sat for a week. The full LCD cluster is quite pretty for its age too. Under normal usage no issues with flat battery.
I think the main drainage would come from the interior lights not the ecu, which u can disable by holding the start button and the main interior light switch for a few seconds to bring them out of AUTO-Mode.
@@gavinbeltrametti5173 swapped my interior lights for LEDs so no issue for me hopefully.
Everytime I watch your vids it makes wanna buy l322 might have sell my d4 good or bad choice ?
Buying a Land Rover is always a bad choice but hey, we still do it 😂
@@JohnBaxendale well there is that 😂😂 but you Carnt stay away from them
@@miniman2645 Best car I’ve ever owned!
@@JohnBaxendale damn it you’ve sold me I’ll put the disco up for sale 😂😂
I own both the DISCO4 (with X lifter) and a TD V8 RR. I have totally stopped using the RR for off-road stuff.
I do regret selling the 1990 RR classic with front and back ARB diff locks 2”lift and roll cage. it was too short to sleep in.
Wondering if the 1” drop really makes a difference to the mpg / handling? Mines a ‘12 AB so does feel a bit tighter in S-mode round bends.
Really wondering the same thing. I occasionally do some long hwy stints and would be good to eat out a little more mpg.
Where has your grille light bar gone mate?
PS great bit of kit, not sure if available for my early L322 with the 4.4 BMW M62 petrol.
I changed the grille as mine was pretty knackered, most of the mountings were broken. I’m planning to address the lack of auxiliary lights on the front soon though 👍💪
And yes the X lifter is available for all L322s 👍👍
@@SamsMotorslol, came here to ask about the grill! I like the black look and have contemplated swapping my dark gray grill for a black one as I've blacked out my wheels and emblems. Would like grill to match.
Cool system but spotted you have changed your grill and removed your light bar.. why?
Just having a bit of a change around / freshen up. Will be covered in a future video 👍👍
From exchanging a couple emails with the vendor I understand that if you use Xlifter to add height, say 25mm, and then use the Land Rover control to go to offroad height the usual LR height increase will be added to the. 25mm thus resulting in what is essentially extended mode. Could you please try this and report back?
Yep that is exactly how it works, any height you add or subtract with the X-lifter is applied to all of the preset heights on the vehicle.
@SamsMotors
Thanks for the reply. Just wanted to make sure I understood correctly. You sure would not want to use Xlifter to add 75mm and then hit the UP switch🙄
Can we see more of the 127
Definitely. I’ll do an update video soon - had quite a bit of work recently.
Hi Sam nothing to do with this video I’ve got a 3.6 2010 sort range my front and rear parking sensors not worked all time I’ve had it . I did plug it in checked wiring found brak in it sorted now no codes it says all is. Working rear work but front don’t any idea wat this could be any help greatly appreciated cheers Sam
Any codes for the sensors? If not I presume they’re turned off in the car’s configuration. If you have an IID tool you can check to see that they’re turned on in the config / CCF.
The only 1 that comes on is u0159-00 lost communication with parking assist control module 😊
Have these come down in price recently? I’m sure they were closer to double the price previously…
The 4.4 TDV8 seems to have hovered around £8-15k for quite a while now (at least since I bought mine). You can get the occasional sub-£8k bargain though.
Hi Sam, I was on about the price of X Lifter’s 😂
Funnily, wifey was just asking the other day how much did I think our Fatty is worth. We’ve had it 6months now. Cheers Matti.
aaarrgh......@13:35 So annoying that X-Lifter missed a typo for 'Right' Hand (RIGTH HAND!) in Set Steering Position mode. Bet that'll grate with you too Sam. 😀
Engineers are typically bad at spelling.
@@Cromwell199 That is always the concern especially with complex electronic gadgets. The product should inspire confidence, and this kind of thing can dent that which in turn could impact sales. I understand from Sam that it is a Czechoslovakian company, so some leeway can be granted, but QC needs looking at if they are to expand into foreign markets. Hopefully Sam's test review will assist them with that.
@@richardschofield2201 Perhaps they should attach a warning sticker on the box! ;-)
I'll let Jan know. As you've pointed out - it's likely a bad translation from Czech - but thankfully it seems like it's pretty easy to update the firmware via their app, so they should be able to correct it now ❤
:) Oops, missed that. Indeed, English isn't my native but this is just a typo error. My bad, I'll fix it in the next firmware release, thanks for pointing that out. Jan
Hi will this work on the p38 ranger rover
Not this system, no. I don’t know of any for the P38.
Does something similar exist for the P38?
Not from X-lifter. I've never seen anything for the P38 but I expect it has been done in the past!
Czechoslovakia?
That should have been Czech Republic - oops! Been watching too many WW2 documentaries 😅
@@SamsMotors Ha! Me too! ;-)
There are two main concerns with implementing a device like this that can damage your vehicle.
1) the control arm bushings relative to your ride height. They have to be adjusted to your new ride height or they will prematurely wear and fail as they are twisted.
2) the camber of your wheels and tires at you new ride height. You have to get an alignment if you plan on driving at speed with a different ride height or you will get odd tire wear and possibly upset the stability of the vehicle.
I think these devices are cool, but if you intend to keep the ride height adjusted during road driving, you absolutely must make proper adjustments to the vehicle to prevent unintended damage. I hope this company makes the customer aware of these issues, because I would imagine them getting upset after discovering these issues and wanting to discard the device.
The Range Rover lowers by 20mm at highway speeds, which is set by Land Rover. I'm sure they would have worked that one out. And I think if you're driving round in the higher settings at speed, it won't be long until you put it back down. Any handling the car has, will be out the window at those heights.
@@Bensgarage Do they though? The earlier ones do, but the 2010+ doesn't show it on the dash like the earlier ones did, so perhaps they don't actually lower at speed... It's also not mentioned in the manual or workshop manual on the 2010+.
@@JohnBaxendale as it turns out, they likely don’t. As Sam said it lowers at 100mph. Not sure where I read it, but was likely for pre 2010 models.
@@Bensgarage I just spotted his comment too! Obviously, I’m a good boy and would never drive at over 100mph, so I’d not noticed that 😂😂😂
@@JohnBaxendale same here👍. Although our motorways can be up to 130 kph, but not 160 kph, plus it’s too expensive to drive fast nowadays.
The worst item is the controller, design and key quality compared to the rest of the system which looks good.
The other option is to use the Bluetooth connectivity and their app. I will cover this in a future video 👍