The Sino-French War: Every Day
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- Опубликовано: 18 апр 2024
- In 1882, the French seize Hanoi and attempt to establish protectorates over Vietnam. China intervenes to try and stop them.
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"The Complex" by Kevin MacLeod
Sources:
- Chere, Lewis M. The Diplomacy of the Sino-French War: (1883-1885); Global Complications of an Undeclared War. Notre Dame, IN: Cross Cultural Publications, 1988.
- “Li-Fournier Convention,” Signed: 11 May 1884.
- Mcaleavy, Henry. Black Flags in Vietnam: The Story of a Chinese intervention. London ; New York: Routledge, 2023.
- Olender, Piotr. The Sino-French naval war 1884-1885. of Maritime. Petersfield: MMPBooks, 2012.
- “Treaty of Huế,” Signed: 25 August 1883.
- “Treaty of Huế,” Signed: 06 June 1884.
- “Treaty of Tianjin,” Signed: 09 June 1885.
Team blue: France
Team Red: China
Battleground: Vietnam
why do the 2 most random countries always fight over another extremely random country
@@beniu1305nothing is random
@@beniu1305Nguyen dynasty is tributary of Qing dynasty and Qing didn't want to lost her tributaries to French just like first sino japanese war battleground happened in korea.
@@mimorisenpai8540 ah now it makes a bit more sense, thank you
@@beniu1305vietnam is not random
When I saw the last poll I was like "When did China go to war with France?" and now I'm like "oh of course it was over Vietnam".
France also took part in the Boxer Rebellion war
What else could it be over?
France also took part in the leser known Second opium war with China. It took place around 30 years earlier before this one.
All the main European players has gone to war with China one time or another.
The Black Flags were a mercenary force not the regular Chinese army. Qing control over them was very loose, they're like the Wagner Group of the 1800's.
Also the leader of the Black Flags, Liu Yongfu, who later became the president of the Republic of Formosa, and the Black Flags army, collapsed when fighting to prevent the Japanese army from taking over Taiwan. However, Liu Yongfu himself fled to Xiamen when he saw the failure coming.
China rebel army
Yeah. They're famous in Laos at the same time period for looting sacred temples and plundering villages across Laos. Thailand was modernizing during this time period and tried to defeat them, called Haw Wars in Thai.
except that the Qing couldn't even control the Black Flag, unlike Russia who just did a thing to Prigozhin a year ago and now Wagner is just another group under Russian control
As soon as i saw the community poll i knew it
The war caused the collapse of France’s coalition government, dampening enthusiasm for colonial adventurism for a few years, hence why the French refused to intervene in Egypt as the British requested
Thierry Republican Empire moment
During the Mahdist War, you mean?
@@occam7382 and look what these two are doing tensions there in that Scramble with a crisis over Fashoda
Yep, earning Jules Ferry the moniker "Le Tonkinois"
Even though the Chinese lost its honestly one of there better performances, they did push back French forces a few times and win a few key battles!
It's also the first time Qing government conducted a modern war operation where officials across the great country coordinated via telegraph so that a disaster similar to the First and Second Opium Wars did not happen that time.
Sadly a decade later they lost to another power which, unlike all previous colonial powers, was the first one that was able to wage political warfare against Qing -- Japan.
It makes one wonder how incredibly arrogant the conservative Qing court really was.
China lost both Opium Wars, lost a tough fight against the French, yet adamantly refused to modernize their forces and learn from the Sino-French War, which caused the disaster against the Japanese a decade later.
@@imgvillasrc1608 It's better described as a sociopathic distrust on their populace than ardent conservativism. Qing was very willing to modernize their navy and introduce some of the technologies that they can utilize as long as they don't have to introduce them to the masses.
The majority of Han populace, after two centuries of systematic racial oppression under the Manchurian elites, had deteriorated into a very sorry state, and had become as psychotic as 17th century witchhunt-era European peasants, or a herd of sheep, that would view anything extraordinary as a threat to their lives (cf. Soulstealers: The Chinese Sorcery Scare of 1768). It is with such an undertone of deep social distrust and mass hysteria, that the Qing regime had never dared to recruit and maintain a modernized standing army until 1902.
And the New Army, in less than a decade of its establishment, promptly started and uprising to overthrow the Qing regime, and promptly started killing each other under the craze of power grab and serious mutual distrusts.
The Qing officials had long forseen the inevitable back in mid-1800s but they had no way out at all.
@@imgvillasrc1608 Pretty arrogant!
Based pfp
And to think they had investments in it for almost a century
Very good. You missed the opportunity to include on the map, the siege of Battle and siege of Tuyên Quang where 600/700 French Légionnaires hold litteraly their fort against 12 000 Chinese, allowing the French to bring back reinforcements from Cochinchine and Annam
Awesome topic! Great video.
2:40 France after their humiliting retreat from Lang Son (where they wasnt even a Chinese army present) "soz, lag"
France wasn't humbled, they regrouped after they forced the Chinese to sign a preliminary peace and then finalized an easy and crushing conquest as always each time France went on offensive.
@@ommsterlitz1805 The PM got sacked after the war for the reason of this "retreat"
@@Fummy007 The PM ? Can you stop talking made up non sense
2:46 ;)
For all the times.the us made fun of the french militairy, the french actually managed to conquer and defeat vietnam
As a Vietnamese person. The fact that France was able to conquer and defeat Dai Nam was mainly because the Vietnamese army was considered super weak. The most obvious situation is the delay in paying soldiers and officers' salaries since before France set foot in Indochina about 20-40 years. Then there is the severe lack of weapons or poor quality weapons that occur frequently. Of course, soldiers and officers were often poorly trained and had poor morale.
In addition, the Hue court chose to follow the moderate side and surrender and accept becoming a French colony instead of choosing to continue fighting and enacting resistance at the request of the militant side.
Humorously, anti-French groups in Indochina operated much more effectively than the Nguyen Dynasty army. Especially in the efforts of the militant faction (which took place in 1885), this faction issued a war decree (called Can Vuong) calling on all Vietnamese people to fight against the French. The result was a series of uprisings and anti-French movements throughout Indochina, of which I will mention two examples:
1. In southern Vietnam, there was an anti-French movement/uprising called the Huong Khe uprising. Led by Phan Dinh Phung, in many ways copied rifles collected from France so that this insurrection force could create its own such rifles. Of course, they conducted gun training for the insurgents. This uprising/movement started in 1885-1895, it weakened and ended when the uprising leader Phan Dinh Phung unexpectedly died in battle.
2 In North Vietnam, there was a movement/uprising called the Yen The uprising. This is considered the most influential and longest-lasting uprising among the uprisings of the Can Vuong movement (according to the decree issued in 1885). Led by Hoang Hoa Tham. Continuously causing damage and ambushing French troops from the start of the movement in 1884 until its end in 1913. With two notes, Hoang Hoa Tham only really led this uprising from 1890. As well as Like the Huong Khe uprising/uprising, both of these uprisings weakened and ended because their leaders suddenly died (Phan Dinh Phung died in battle and Hoa Hoa Tham was assassinated by the French). According to Vietnamese historians, these two uprisings would have lasted longer if their leaders had not died suddenly. As for Hoa Hoa Tham, if he had not been assassinated by the French in 1913, the Yen The uprising would probably have continued into the 1920s and even the 1930s.
Conclusion: If the Hue court chooses to follow the militant side instead of the moderate side. France may encounter more difficulties than they imagine in Indochina. In the worst case scenario, France would have to simultaneously fight countless uprisings and resistance movements against France from all classes everywhere in Indochina. While facing elite Black Flag forces from China and possibly military forces from Yunnan, Guangxi-Guangdong were sent by the Qing Dynasty to support Vietnam.
The French lost pretty badly in the First Indochina War
😅工业国打农业国打成这样还能吹？要不是当时清政府的主战派大臣左宗棠死了法国人能占领越南？
@@lamlam-bw7evYes
Another great video
I'm trying to figure out where the inset map is in relation to the main map without referring to an external source.
Black flags vs green frogs
You mean Frog eaters, right?
@@Kaissereichlover1872 You are what you eat
Black flags vs white flags
@@bjorn8349 Right..
@@Kaissereichlover1872i've never seen a french person eat a frog
Didn't you do this already?
I had an innacurate every week version.
It now shows daily developments (its far better than anything else could be)
Remade and improved!
Emperortigerstar reupload his old video
Wow!
What map do you use?
I subscribed you.
Angolan civil war: every month
Nice
That is in France, not in Vietnam
New video. All hail the Emperor
Video Idea: Fenian Raids into Canada
I thought most people called it the Tonkin war
Tonkin just reminds of the actress who played Cleo in H2O
Phoebe! @@morbidsearch
I did too
Correct, but Sino-Chinese war makes better title
nice
Day 2 of me asking for a video on Sarawak (god, what am I doing?).
Why Dai nam suddenly surrendered
The Nguyen Dynasty of Vietnam hired Black Flag Army , a group of out laws baddits which who crossed the border in 1865 from Guangxi, China into northern Vietnam. So they with the Nguyen dynasty forces in North Vietnam try to fight the France. I think you misleading here, they were never that larger in number, only few hundred.
I never said they were large in number. I just said they fought the French, which they did. I'm not sure what exactly is misleading about it.
A famous french politician of this era, Jules Ferry, had a project to etablish a protectorate over China (all the territory) by diplomacy or conquest but the project was aborted...
Holy Burmese Empire
Siam franco war
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Even just after they lost to the Prussians, they were like, Eh, we got this.
It was more than a decade since the prussian war. If anything this war showcased how inferior the qing was
At some point I think the colonial empires were doing stuff just because
Ah yes, the qing ping.
China/Qing literally mastered losing wars during the 1800s and early 1900s 😂
Franco-thai wars in the future perhaps?
I dont know why vietnam is red here.
Hii
I played a vic 2 japan game once and i supported the black flag army and they ended up taking over half of china
Imagine if the French decided to keep Taiwan?
france ever occupied taiwan? bro wtf
Only the coastal ports of Taiwan Island were attacked.
Even if France really wanted to stay，it would have to continue the war on Taiwan Island after the war.
This would consume soldiers and gold and resources，I don’t think France would do this.
So deadass man used the 1st Japanese-Sino War picture for this 💀
Nope. It's a Japanese painting by Utagawa Kunisada III depicting the Battle of Fuzhou from this war. commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:SinoFrench_war_Japanese_depiction.jpg
@@EmperorTigerstar I could barely make a discernible distinction between that painting with other painting made by him during the Sino-Japanese War for how similar it is. I mean yes, is not a bad choice to put in the intro but this one en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-French_War#/media/File%3ABattleFoochow.jpg is also just as good as that one.
ok
Based Chinese Remington-Lee rifles
We don’t want new videos about Turks!
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But in the end what is remaining from french influence over Vietnam? French language is nearly non existent
Yes they banned French language and it’s a good decision
I was just in Saigon and saw an old guy giving a tour in French language. Viet guy. I spent a lot of time in various parts of Viet Nam and I can tell you right now, with young generation, English is the most popular, by a huge margin. Smaller minority of Vietnamese learn either Korean or Japanese for specific purpose of work at one of those companies and hope to get promotions, or to work abroad in either Korea or Japan, to earn money/get more skills, and come back home later. French isn't common at all, but some people learn it for fun or for prestige. I met some people that had learned a fair amount of it simply because they were middle class and its like a fancy hobby for them. Also, you can see a lot of French inspired architectures in Vietnam. Its the same like a lot of suburban houses in USA use Spanish or Italian style elements, no different from that, people think it looks cool.
@@stevens1041 thanks for the beautiful good explanation of the situation.
We want new videos about Turks!
Nobody cares about Turks lol
Why isn’t Vietnam included here? Chinese did not push back the french! I’m unsubbing
Nobody cares lol
Expected video from chinese or ignorant admin. Vietnam is not part of China! Please respect our country
It is a fact that Vietnam is not a part of China，but you cannot ignore history.
It is a fact that your country pays tribute to China，It is also a fact that your country was invaded by France and the Qing Dynasty sent troops to assist.
@@LLENN0420 cống nạp cũng giống như công nhận họ là nước mạnh và nhận được sự bảo hộ của họ