7AGE Build! Ep 1: The Long List of Parts
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THAT THING GONNA SCREEEAAAMMM!!!
YEAH IT IS!!!!!
dudes rockin the bianca chandon mask
Yesss! What a cool build and very expensive in parts! Keen to see how it ends up
I have a 7AGTE in my AE86 and I love how much more torque it has over the 4A’s. 160 horsepower will be perfect for that build.
Very nice! I’m hoping for at least 160, that’s just my guess based on similar builds I’ve seen but I won’t know for sure until I get the engine back.
Bro, I have a 7agze in my ta22 celica and am having overheating problems, how did you overcome the overheating problems?
@@isaactezza what head gasket did you use?
@@NickPahls I don't recall as it's been quite a while. What would be the suggested head gasket?
@@isaactezza well if you used a 7afe head gasket the cooling ports are smaller than the 4AGE head gasket and don’t allow enough coolant to flow through the head. People have discussed using a 7A gasket and complained about the overheating issue. I am using a 7A gasket in mine and have noticed it runs hotter so I’m planning on switching back to a 4AG gasket soon.
Appreciate the vlog of this build.. Always wondered what it took to build a proper 7age.. Looking forward to following this...
really enjoyed this one! cant wait to see where this build goes
VERY excited to see this come to fruition!
Nice AE86!
No expense spared. Nice work.
Anything that is not a complete ghetto build is described as "no expense spared" these days. Shim-less buckets in the head? Lightweight flywheel for twin plate clutch? Under-drive accessory drive pulley? New valve seat inserts to suit oversized valves? (he didn't say what size the valves are, probably not big enough to require new seats.) Those Tomei cams have minimal lift increase over standard so they can be used with standard springs, hence they are good for about...160hp. Crank angle sensor? (for more accurate ignition timing than cam drive) I could go on for ages, the things I have listed are really common amongst 4AGE modifiers. Kids these days have no idea about engine modification, they love bling parts as if they spend all their time looking at Instagram or TikTok or something, yet they have no idea how engines really work. There's nothing wrong with Old Mate's build, it's just not even close to what is possible.
This video went from his precise packaging of every beautiful part so clean and protected to him ragging a perfect ae86 with an interior in showroom condition😂
He’s also generous giving you the dizzy
Back in 2014, you could beat on an 86 without thinking twice! In 2021, they're all clean and protected lol
I got a Mr2 with a blue top 4age , do all the arp cylinder bolt kit work with each other
All of the ARP bolt kits for 4age should work on all standard 4age’s, no matter which chassis they came in 👍🏻
Damn. Dude balled out at bgrs, flos and mrp.
Hold on. All that money spent and only the atom???
@@mikemikeyee the Atom is definitely sufficient for doing everything I need. I’m not running many auxiliary accessories or anything. If I need more down the line I can always upgrade
@@GuitarMan91 If you want to run VVT, can you use the Atom or do you need a better ECU?
@@nzuncovered1845 I have a few friends running 20v with VVTi and are using Atom with no issue
@@GuitarMan91 Ok thanks
If you want better B/E bearings for the rods you can machine new tangs and then run SR20 ACL race bearings.
The King OE series is what Barry at MRP recommended to me for the rods. All of the bearings have just been dry-film coated by my engine builder so I’m hoping they’ll last a good while.
I also had my rods (long rod kit) from MRP i decided to look for better alternatives as with higher power and higher revs on the 7afe crank I wanted so extra insurance. Due to the 1thou extra clearances on the race bearing the bearing clearances worked out perfect no machining of the crank required. Just though I’d share. I had a very similar build to yours some years ago. My only change would have been to go bigger on the cams. These 7age really need a big cam to rev. Much more than you would expect. Good luck with the build.
I don't care what anyone says, you guys are rad. ;)
dude I was just driving my 4age earlier this week, I keep it out of town. This is the way.
So sick!!!
Not sure how spacing the water outlet is going to help the bypass, its a height problem not width. I found the fwd water setup way more convenient all around (relocates bypass altogether, makes room for supercharger, and makes thermostat changes a breeze)
I’ll be using the spacer in conjunction with an extended bypass pipe. The combination of the two gets it to line up properly. Didn’t have the pipe on hand yet when we filmed this
@@GuitarMan91 yeah that spacers is 1000% unnecessary. Just need a longer tube. But to anybody getting ready to collect parts for a 16v conversion or what not, go for the fwd setup, its a lot easier.
@@spongebobdriftpants www. instagram. com/p/CHPHnh3H0o0/?igshid=1jtu43no5eikn (remove the spaces) this guy extended his pipe without the spacer on a rwd setup. Without the spacer he had to angle the pipe for it to line up correctly.
@@GuitarMan91 I promise I’ve done it and it lines up fine. I just cut the 4ag bypass pipe in half and connect the two halves with piece of hose and clamps. Your literally only accounting for a 15mm increase in height. I keep seeing misinformation on what’s necessary to build a 7ag, at the most basic level there are only 3 items needed for the swap (7afe bottom, matrix garage timing gear and 944 belt)
@@spongebobdriftpants I’m not disagreeing with you man. I was just going off of other builds I’ve seen and what other people have told me who have built them before. It is strange that the spacer would even exist if it serves no purpose
What ever happen to this build? Any future updates coming out? Sweet list of parts!
Money well invested for long life
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I got Jon hooked to Go Time too! Can't wait for your next video
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A mild 4age Red top build makes about 160. With those pistons and the longer stroke you should definitely have a lot of compression which will bump up power not to mention more displacement. I would shoot for 180 my dude.
That’s what I’m hoping for. I set my expectations low so I don’t disappoint myself haha
What would you think is too much compression ? I can get a set of arias 20v pistons that's says 12.5:1 compression ratio.
@@James_Maguire I mean more compression means more things to consider with tuning. Definitely need to get a knock sensor and use high octane fuel (basically more $$$). I would definitely consider using flex fuel.
@@GuitarMan91 Damn where is the confidence man. If you know your platform well and have good help with a dyno you should get great results.
@@erwinschmied I’ve seen vastly mixed results with engines like these. A guy in NZ with a hi comp big cam 9AGE with a dry sump was getting around 160hp. The Tecarts N2 car with similar components makes around 270hp. I think realistically I can see around 180hp with my setup. We’ll see once it’s ready for tuning
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Believe it or not, in europe they went rallying with this platform. 16v head and same chassis!
Subbed cuz ae86 🤷🏻♂️
I’m sorry to tell you this but I thinks it’s going to make more than 160hp.
What is he going to do with the rear axle? Keep it stock or convert it to solid axle but with disk brakes?
I hope you’re right! And I have a GTS rear that I’ll be swapping in.
@@GuitarMan91 with a good tune, all those quality parts and today’s technology for sensors, fuel systems etc. it will definitely make more power in my opinion.
Nice, good choice not over complicate things!
Looking forward for the next video :)
Hey, can you please elaborate on using the 4agze dizzy for COPs?? I have a 4agze on megasquirt and am dealing with a trigger wheel setup right now.
This comment might be long. Mark from Panic Wire gave me this tip for the COP conversion. The normal 4age dizzy/cam angle sensor has a trigger wheel inside of it with 4 teeth. It sends pulses through the wires to fire all 4 of the plugs and injectors on every stroke. The dizzy from the supercharged 4agze specifically, I’m not sure if NA has them as well, has (I believe) 32 teeth on the internal trigger wheel. So it can read and send more detailed timing information, and allow for full sequential ignition/injection. Eliminating the need for a separate crank trigger wheel and Hall effect sensor. I sent mine to Mark when I had my harness made so he could modify the plug and build a trigger map off of it. If you google 4agze distributor you should find some images of the trigger wheel inside. Might be worth taking yours apart to see if you have the proper one. Hope that helps!
@@GuitarMan91 much appreciated my dude, I'm going to try and set that up now instead of the crank wheel!
@@surewhynot6259 hope it works out for you! I’m not positive on the amount of teeth on that wheel. It might be 20, I can’t remember exactly. But definitely a lot more than 4.
Nice! But got to ask, which oil pump did you used? 4a or the 7a?
I’m using the 20v silvertop 4A oil pump
What gearbox are you running?
The standard T50 for now. It bolts right up to the 7A block.
i love the 4age really much. but why didnt you go bigger with the engine? You could swap A 3sge beams. I know it will be slightly more expensiv. No offense because im really looking forward to this build. But i thought building a 7afe is more a lowbuck mod?
No offense taken. I’ve driven Corollas with 4AGE and Beams swaps before and I really love the feeling of the 4A platform. Something about it is just right. I bought my 16v 4A engine a few months after I got the car back in 2014 so I’ve had it for quite some time now. Decided to go 7AG a couple of years ago for some added torque. Doing the 7A bottom is a more affordable way to have essentially a 4AG stroker, compared to buying a stroker kit for the 4A block. Replacing the crank is necessary to do that and is quite costly.
@@GuitarMan91 i know. im at the fullest in the poor 86 owners life. and im doing that swap on a budget rn. Because i cant afford a beams. its kinda a meme to put a beams in a 86. But these are just great engines. I have 4age race engine parts. But i wanna experiment a bit with lighter pistons and longer rods. (cheapo ones)
@@Shadowdarknessone a good friend of mine has a Beams in his Corolla and it’s a really great swap. Easy way to make a reliable 200hp. There’s a good reason it’s so popular. He’ll have some videos on this channel pretty soon. The rods and pistons I’m using in my build are very light, and fairly affordable compared to other options.
i've been looking for this shit for MONTHS. I'm trying to build a USDM Celica ST. if you have any more info, I'd love to get in touch to discuss
Can you send me your homies email just wanna ask him if where did he got those parts for building the 7age thank you
Message me on Instagram if you can - @purebliss.86
Did you ever find out where he got the parts?
@@Dontworryyou564 go to manon racing products they have a full 7age conversion kit
can the 20v ae111 head be used when building a 7age or no?
Yes it can!
Mrp makes 350 hp turbo kits
Those guys make just about everything you could ask for haha. I wanted to keep my build NA though
Any reason why not 20v ?
Mostly convenience for me. I got the car back in 2014 and bought the 16v a few months later for about $400. Much cheaper than 20v at the time and easier to swap in without any modification.
Hey I have a 1989 toyota corolla station wagon. Can you tell me what engines I can swap in? Its carbureted.
where is the water neck spacer from? link?
@Lance C mrp. Manon Racing Product
Do a 9age
3:55 yet we still have morons who think its impossible to drift anything with just 100hp
It’s easy to understand the appeal of big horsepower. For me I want to keep a good balance of power to weight with this car.
3 years late, but 160 is nothing, 180 is much more realistic
Guys spends $Thousends and $Thousands of $$ on building a mad 7AGE.
Decides to use the cheapest Link ECU. WTF??? the bloody thing only has 5, 0-5V inputs. which means after MAP (yes you still need a MAP sensor on an ITB engine for best results for density correction) and IAT that leaves only 3 GP inputs. At least spring for the Monsoon with it's on board MAP sensor and 6 GP inputs.
Other than that looks like a riot ;)
The Atom was recommended to me by Mark from Panic Wire when I had my harness made, and it was purchased through him as a package deal. It can handle everything I need my ECU to do at the moment. If I find myself needing more down the road I can always update later on. Thanks for checking out the build!