When the AI makes a One-Man-Doomstack
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So this one was mine. The problem I didn't realise I was making - I would let the vlad get stuck in melee and from that point it was extremely difficult to either shoot him down or micro units away from him while still having to deal with his other units. As I mentioned in the mail, my best try was bringing it down to just a handful of units of mine with barely any ammo left with with vlad alone with full hp running everyone down. He was inflicting around 200-300 casualties to me on every try(i would play this battle for 3 hours straight before finally giving up). From this video I learnt you can literally make on-foot AI unit chase after light horse cavalry lmao - thats a good one. Thanks again Legend, hope the video does well:D
You would probably be a lot better off getting rid of those swordsmen and replacing them with more crossbows, or better yet handgunners if you have them available. It's far better to have a few spearmen with shields to hold the line while the bulk of your army shoots them down. Especially when you move up to higher difficulties because the AI gets melee buffs/cheats. Get more missiles and artillery and your battles will be easier and faster.
My initial plan for the game was to make artillery based army comp but it was still fairly early into the campaign and I just recruited whatever I could, whenever - responding to multiple threats in different places, not having much time to replenish units so instead I would just recruit some more trash just to have numbers. Still, I would make sure I have plenty of missile units(I know missile units are king in this game) :)
@@Santi_Nell Did flaming sword of rhuin not do much against Vlad? I find it can help a lot against a unit with regen
@@julian512 Vlad's regen doesn't give him fire weakness since it comes from Blood Drinker, he doesn't actually have normal regeneration
@@Santi_Nell
-The lack of artillery and gunners was the real issue here, even a single mortar would have done so much damage on vamp infantry.
You can get mortars fairly early too.
-Heros as empire are important, you get a lot of those and they are your future front liners so you need to recruit them asap to start leveling them up.
-Use sack city to get your lord leveled up and get the ROR units early you definitely needed them here.
Vlad is such a chad that army losses simply doesnt affect him, whether he's unbreakable or not
imagine vlad with sword of khaine....
He don't get to bring friends.
He's got too much regeneration, making health loss from disintegration much less effective.
*looks at Vlads ring*
If i pull that off will you die?
@@brandonransley7091 it would be extremely painful
Now I know how the AI feels when I have Vlad, Isabella and 6 vampires run around the first 40 turns
"It just puts a nail in their coffin"- I think a wooden stake would be better in this case
I liked the coffin joke tbh :D
Can we all celebrate that, for once, legend clicked ‘gamble’ and actually got a positive result? That’s unheard of!
That's probably the first time anyone has ever won a gamble
I usually win every gamble, is it really uncommon?
@@ThyWorshipMetal ive had a half a year long Bad luck streak with about 2 succesful gambles since the start of 2021
I wonder if the gamble odds are artificially lowered on higher difficulties.
@@ThyWorshipMetal it wasn’t working for like at least a year too.
"keep Carl Franz away" - " I WILL NOT STAND IDLE!"
rite of primeval glory in WH III for AI will just be 20 blessed stegadons
God imagine the odds of that wasn’t warhammer 2 been released for like 5 years or something I’m pretty sure something like that probably happened
Omg it's learning, Warhammer III will be making Legend's doomstacks
Warhammer 3 AI
Stack of 19 heros and each is a 1 man doomstack with the legendary lord being the eqvualent of 5 doomstacks
Still getting flashbacks from the 19 zoat doomstack that wrecked my skaven weapon teams. Actually had to win with auto resolve from my main army.
@@Loldino897 hope that the bloodthirster will be crazy. ^^
@@Loldino897 Ah, perfectly balanced *AI Tea-Drinking noises*
AlphaZero tw campaign
Back when then AI would recruit Gotrek all the time I ran into just about this situation, expect Vlad had the Gotrek defeat trait... unbreakable Vlad, about as scary as it gets early game for the empire.
Warhammer 1 and 2:
"legend of total war here, today were going to kill 3 enemy armies with one army without losing a single model."
Warhammer 3:
"Legend of total war here, today were are going to sacrifice our capital to run to Albion so that 120% ward save hobgoblin army goes south after sacking it."
I don't know why but I had a really good laugh reading this. Cheers
wait what? hahah
"while were on the way, we can kill all 4 chaos gods with a ratling gunner doomstack, and a single skaven slave with 2 broken legs"
Vlad be like : "crumbling? Not for me"
Faced something similar to this once playing as Skyre. He declared war on me while I was dealing with a Kemmler-infested Bretonia so none of my armies were nearby to deal with Vlad the Chad here. He decided to conquer the mountain range I settled next to Gelt (excluding the one on the southern edge next to the Border Princes), then Chad stride through King's Glade despite being at war with Mel Gibson (who wisely decided to let him through uninterrupted) and proceeded to carve a bloody path through the southern half of Bretonia I just conquered a few turns earlier. That two front war was a pain, eventually decided that Louen was the lesser threat vs this absolute unit.
Mel Gibson 😂
Vlad The Chad doesn't even have to fight his ennemies, they just know it's not worth it
Why can’t Vlad just be a nice vampiric murderer I’m sure Franz would make him count of Slyvania if he asked
Who knows maybe if all Vlad wanted was to be an elector count they'd work something out. Somewhere in an alternate universe they are sharing some wine
He's a good husband and a terrible politician.
@@H0kram he's one of the most reasonable leaders/politics in Warhammer universe, actually.
In one of my empire games i managed to get on the good side of vlad and we were military allies all the way to the end, was such a weird but wonderful campaign
@@H0kram I don’t hear the Slyvanians complaining about his leadership
Reminds me of this one dark elf campaign I had, attacked the awakening and couldn't kill Luthor, bitch had 115% magic resistance and my entire army had magic damage from the black ark.
You just haven't played TWH until Louen or Vlad or Malus have mulched your entire mid-game army single-handed.
Sigvald too :(, he is just unkillable, especialy when he is against garrisons.
I never play as Brettonia so Louen REALLY caught me off guard with how strong he can get.
4 campaigns in so far with TWH2, guess I haven't played TWH yet, and not sure I want to :D
@Wojta610 CZ It's because you and your garrisons weren't beautiful enough so the attacks refused to touch him 😂
"I'll put them on skirmish mode" legend is a changed man!
@Dreymon Green you can change skirmish mode off by default and onlyturn it on when you want
Getting flashbacks to the time I fought Vlad in the underway in an old dwarf campaign. Absolutely demolished his army and then watched as he and two vampires killed about 600 of my troops and put my lord on life support. This was on normal btw, if it was any higher I wouldn't have won at all.
"Vlad usually gets wiped out early in the campaign"
Meanwhile, AI Vlad in my Alith Anar campaign currently owns all of Bretonnia.
Vlad in my naggarond campaign :
*I cant hear you from nagashizzar*
He does usually get wiped out early one. But once in a while, the empire will die before they start confederating. Without the empire to nip him in the bud, he quickly tides over most opposition.
@@AsaelTheBeast I've played 3 games since IE came out and Vlad has wiped everyone consistently. I'm playing Britonia at the moment because I wanted to watch wtf is going on and at turn ~100 Sylvania is rank 1, the empire is gone and Vlad is mobbing around with like 8 doom stacks. Something is broken with his balance
@@bishopau1228 Yeah. It's looking like Ruin tide happens a lot, compared to the order tide of previous games.
Either the empire manages to set up fast or it get's bulldozed, seems like.
Probably because there are more ruin factions starting right next to the empire these days. Plus, vampire count aggression has been turned up to 11, and with manfred in southlands, vlad has little competition.
My first couple games had the opposite happen- but it seems like that was a fluke.
@@AsaelTheBeast also, it is literally the End Times now lorewise, explains the lack of ordertide
“He’s confederated Middenland”
MIDDENLAND BEST!!! MIDDENLAND BEST!!!
Legend: Army losses !
Vlad: Tis but a scratch
Well I know it long ago. People talking about kholek, archaeon the one-man army, heck even some sad guys say Tyrion is the one-man army, but in reality vlad is the true one-man army, with *enough* ward save, his health generation becomes absurd as the more damage resistance up, the more effective heath point regenerated per second. Combined with Campaigner trait and Sword of Khaine, he murders army after army. Not to mention he has access to one of the deadliest if not the deadliest spell of the game Wind of Death.
The worst AI one man doomstack is Malus. Yesterday I had Kroq-gar, an oracle and 3 foot oldbloods and he killed all 5 of them without taking a lock of damage. I'd never seen it before.
Yeah, you have to break his morale and rout him before he transforms otherwise he can really dish out the pain.
@@thecommuterzombie Or get him to transform early and then just juke him around like vlad here so he times out.
Yes, he is crazy. Even the AI can get him to around 80 melee attack and defense, so he will demolish almost every hero or unit. If you cant shoot him, then you better kite him around
Playing a modded dwarf campaign with Ash skills so I can buff my range units and I had to kill most of his army before he routed because 5 units thunderers focused on him can't kill him fast enough
I had a hard fight against him with my tomb kings. he was garrisoning a settlement and I had destroyed his entire army. everyone of his units was shattered and i had barely taken any loses. He had stalk so i couldn't see him until i was on him. Apparently he had the sword of khaine too. he just sat in the victory square and i just had to try and mob up on him. I killed him even with a transformation but it cost me many of my max rank mid to late tier units. I reloaded the save and just auto resolved and funnily enough i took less losses then trying to fight him normally. He wouldn't run to the walls for my archers to sit on and snipe from, he would just use stalk and disappear when i tried to range him.
The fact Vlad can regen faster than he takes crumbling damage is scary!
That fire spell at 9:11 is doing some work!
The true disaster isn't the Vampire tide, it's Vashinaar in Bretonnia
First real disaster battle, based on "campaigns on the verge of defeat", I see in a long time.
"Puts a nail in their coffin" 10/10 for that pun
I've run into this issue myself, where I'll obliterate the rest of the army and then Vlad will proceed to delete all my remaining troops. He's so incredibly strong.
Been there. Roll into a fog of war territory all cocksure, then you realize the guy you're up against has been owning the other side of the map and building up his infrastructure, too, plus AI difficulty cheats.
EDIT: Also when you get too confident to spend $ to send agents far afield as scouts, thinking you can handle whatever.
vlad and malus are the two guys i dread seeing coming my way.
"It just puts a nail in there coffin"
Ah ah ah that's one, one terrible vampire pun
Couple minutes into the video I had to check the video settings, thought I'd somehow changed the play speed to 1.25x because of how quickly Legend was talking.
Fecking Vlad has stack wiped me so many times
At higher difficulties he is one of my least favorite hurdles to clear before steam rolling the world. Dude just corpse daddies all my stacks unless you handle him expertly
"If we cornercamp they won't be able to flank our ranged units" -Sun Tzu
Any wind below 15 deserves a gamble. Since the wind is uniformly distributed between 0 and 30, the expected value is 15
However, the upside from gambling at 14 is less than the possible downside of gambling, as you could lose out on an early battle spell that you need.
I've seen him lose the gamble, when starting at 0 winds.
went against unbreakable Vlad wwith this item set-up. It took SO LONG to kill him.
Hey, great video. I was wondering if you would do a video on faction economy tier list? I've noticed that in some of your videos you will mention if some faction has a good or bad economy. So I think it would be cool if you did a tier list on it.
A couple of mortars wouldn't hurt here. Also conserving the reiksguard to keep Vlad in place wouldn't have been a bad idea.
Most of the time i find Vlad only with Swartzhaven or that region in late game, because he just destroys everything that gets thrown at him
i kind of think debuff magic is underrated stuff like that is pretty useful for units that have ward save as well as ignoring magic resistance because you can stop them from chasing you down, dealing damage, or even defending themself the lore of shadows has a really good debuff spell for dealing with lords, although i guess the ward save is still a problem
Ah yes-yes. The undead version of malus darkblade
Malus is undead
I’m just imagining installing the mod to make Vlad go ballistic if Isabella dies first like a bit of the tabletop rules and just watch him go to town on everyone
That was an awesome strategic win
your micromanagement skills are so chad, makes me want to play total war more
@Legend
05:10 - That's some sick micro for a full solid minute. Perfect timing. You play a lot!
Edit: Let me take that back, you microed really well *from* 05:10 onward. Truly worthy of the name. :)
“It just puts a nail in their coffin” 😂😂
"Nail in their coffin" fitting for vampires.
Making it look easy as usual 👌
I played a campaign with a super setra kind of like this. The dude would just absolutely annihilate everything I threw at him.
"sometimes you don't get ideal terrain", when right next to em there is a hill higher then all the area around him.
I just started a von carstein campaign and karak hirn hired gotrek on turn 10 so now Vlad is unbreakable too
I had a similar situation the other day where Vlad and helman Ghorst nearly beat my steam tank doomstack because they just wouldn't die even after the army losses kicked in
Vlad is like the best character in the whole warhammer fantasy imo
I wonder if they will add valten in twwh3 to fill the godlike dueliest role for the empire.
Understanding the game and how to win is the deal breaker.
That's not his army... That's his fans!
Vlad the impaler
Vlad the best diplomat
Vlad the impaled impaler
Now, imagine if Gotrek and Karl Franz were in reversed positions there. Vlad with Gotreks defeat trait...*ugh*.
Don't you put that evil out in the world.
legend using skirmish mode, wow
Lore friendly Vlad
God I love the clickbait pictures of you Legend. They are a true example of a man in his prime.
nice seeing you deal with a low tier army for once
"Oh, Legend can't play without cheesing the game! He always doomstacks and can't utilize balanced armies!"
Read it in Legend's mocking voice
IKR. You have to cheese the game, because the AI sure as fuck is.
I don't know why but this vid gave me deja vu
Vlad the madlad dad out-healing crumbling xD
I've never seen a fireball actually hit I think...
well, its lore accurate
Never seen vamps take over like that at turn 56
If you know what "College of Pyrotechnics" means, then you know the pain of trying to deal with that particular army, lol.
Those fucking beta nerds from nuln always show up with bad intentions.. how is a Rouge army so rich to pay for those kinda units?
had one pyrotechnics college army with nothing but hellstorms. so i walked my lord up, and made them waste their ammo. balance of force shifted so much the pyrotechs routed :P
@LegendOfTotalwar 17:46 you should have said "you need to move quickly, swiftly."
Just gonnna ignore the fact that after some turns Bretonnia is gonna get D-stroyed by Vashnaar...
This guy here doing the no artillery challenge lol
The other day on warhammer 2 vlad had defeated gotrik sk he had unbreakable, was playing as crooked moon he was really scary, simply regening any damage dealt to him
Getting murderr*ped by immortal Vlad.
Karl Franz: "That´s just Tuesday for me."
We need beastmen units tier list bro
If CA asked you to voice the next Skaven LL would you do it?
He wants Thanquol, but I'm not holding my breath for CA to give him any sort of public olive branch.
Legendoftotalwar and army loss penalty. Name a more beautiful couple.
Legend used SKIRMISH MODE!??!??!?!?!?
Ward save 100%
Automatch : Crushing defeat
Me like : Yes but actually no
Yep. I was playing Beastmen and confronted vlad with an army led by a minotaur. I took how most of his army fairly easily and had him surrounded but what I noticed was that he was barely losing any HP despite having been dueling my lord for almost the entire battle. I pulled back and noticed he had barely taken any damage. I had to sacrifice a huge chunk of my army trying to kill him before realizing he was too strong, so I ended up using my tuskgor chariots to ram him over and over again until his health dropped enough for my lord to kill him. Even through all of that, i had lost the vast majority of my army just to this one guy.
Does legend ever not win? im curious what sort of shit he gets himself into in his campaigns
For the closest he's gotten to a legitimate game over, there's the Kholek campaign. That one was a real butt-clencher. Playing Egypt in Rome Remastered had serious bumps in the road, especially in sieges... but I doubt that you care about watching a Rome campaign in 2021, no matter who's playing.
The only losses he has are unfinished campaigns me thinks
I’ve had similar issues with Malus dark blade in my campaigns
Nail in the coffin 🤣🤣 well punned
All faction hero teir list pleaseeee 🥺🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
Remember kids, magic is cheaper than bullets.
How much worse would this battle have been if killing Isabella made Vlad unbreakable?
Don't focus on your enemy's strength, huh? That does sound vaguely familiar.
Ive done the reverse of this, I had Isabella and 2 hero vampires left, and just hit and run wiped out the enemy
"Close Victory"
WTF
how do you move the entire formation in what ever sitting shape its in? Like Instead of having to redraw the battle lines with holding right click?
Alt left click
@@Makofueled Thank you
The most disappointing thing about Warhammer 2 in mortal empires is that the vamps almost never (for me NEVER) become a large worldly threat.
It's weird, because in my games it feels like a 50/50 between empire winning and vampire winning
Like, when you're playing as Vamps, or when you play as some Ordertide race?
I said this and i will say it again. You are a GD genius
"vlad normaly gets take out early" i have NEVER seen vlad being taken out... when i play solo i always end up fighting him having over half the empires land + the mountains.
and when i play with friends we allways end up in a giant war with him having to fight him 2v1 without us engaging in other wars
WIs it not best to stretch out your infantry units rather than bunch them up in the middle?
Man, I always thought the Vampire lords were chumps because Id rush a handgunner stack to just bury them in lead and make their hole army poof out of existence
At 13:08 you click to move your entire army but have them still maintain positions relative to each other. HOW DO YOU DO THAT???? I'm sure it is some sort of key board short cut but can figure out which one.
Alt+drag with mouse
The thing i hate most about this game (cannot stop playing) is the fact that you could use all the mechanics of troop management, IF ANYONE would tell you what they are and how you can use them. Like: how can i keep the formation of units while positioning them differently without having to put them in a group; lock them; drag them on the map, wait till they are where i want them and then disabling the group. This guy here did it at ~4:25 in just 1 click and second.
Humans dont like to make stuff others can enjoy.
How can men stand against such reckless hate.
I memba 1 time I barely won against vlad and Isabella playing as Azag. If memory serves I now remember why I didn't want to play Azag for a long while
Does the AI actually have to do the quest battles or do they just get the reward items automatically when they level up?
They get them automatically.
its automatic
Thanks guys!
They have to do the quest battles