Something I forgot to mention, he’s an expert humblebragger: he’s says he’s not a master but then talks about being a champion 😜😂 Here's footage of him (apparently) competing in a match: ruclips.net/video/j8_ZJQYboPQ/видео.html Another person challenging Xu: ruclips.net/video/2N_UhV1Fptk/видео.html To learn Chinese, follow my Jerry Teaches Chinese channel: ruclips.net/channel/UC_E_R34VQo47FfnwF3ABlDQ More footage to come tomorrow of this challenger.
He wants to be famous. Probably started in mma when the 🍈 got fame and waited until he had some basic training to challenge. He probably will pretend to do ti chee and do mma methods to hope to get bragging rights.
@@jerrystott7780 I'm kind of wondering about that myself. A couple years of serious behind-the-scenes MMA training can take you pretty far, and XXD is over the hill anyway. It would also explain how he got ripped. The way most of the kung fu frauds do it is they will do fancy stances and wavy arm things whenever there's some space, then they can return to Muay Thai or sanda during the action.
Fight goes like this: Xu stays at range for ten seconds and watches as TCC whiffles a few kicks in the air between them. Xu bum-rushes, closes distance and TCC crumbles under a few punches high and low. Referee intercedes, restarts the fight, Xu rushes in with a chain combination of punches and its allll over, ref stops the fight.
Chinese government declares it a draw; Communist Entrepreneur claims it was unfair because he couldn't stop thinking of innovative business ideas throughout the match.
Fighting is fighting! When we fight at my taiji school, we use knees, elbows, clinch. Don’t get caught up in style, we all “practice” differently, but fighting is fighting.
I don't know how good Master Wong is, but Master Wong never shows us the form and claim how good his form is. Master Wong always emphasizes on street fighting and busts people's nuts. Maybe Master Wong can last a little bit longer in the fight!
His kicks are semi-powerful but he drops his hands everytime he throws them. He might catch Xu off guard with the first kick, but Xu is gonna step into this second kick with an overhand right and send this guy to the shadow realm.
shan_rocks if that’s a real clip of him fighting he’s absolutely screwed. Gaurd is soft as butter. For his sake I hope it was staged. I hope so because I love taiji, and we take our skills quite seriously at my school, tired of seeing these losers get bashed.
unless this guy has done some actual practice sparring in MMA with tai chi skills, he's gonna get killed. that's what happens. I love tai chi and it can be very practical, but you gotta do the pressure testing. if you don't get used to being hit hard and keeping going, a MMA guy is gonna take you out of your depth.
Actually Fan Shuaixin 樊帅鑫 is a student of Wong whom he fighted in the footage. Although Fan had a history of Sanda practition for years, his master still kicked his ass badly, which it's not a surprise to us because ALL Tai Chi masters are highly specialized on beating their own students.
Chris White I was thinking about this the other day, do u personally feel seagal is a fraud, or was that just a bad demo? I’ve had an aikido thro me from a wrist lock before, it was pretty intense, but I was so young I can’t remember if I could have defended against it or not.
@@metalxhorse I do believe that it is an art form, and that someone could really fuck somebody up by using it. But maybe it's because of his weight, age, or some other factors, they weren't using all of their abilities against him. Just like the video showing where Putin laid out a guy using a Judo technique. It was very slow, and not convincing. Also, I'm sure it was because it was Vladimir Putin and not some guy off the street. And the guy knowing that if he fucked Putin up, there would have been some dyer consequences to him, and/or his family. But yes, I do believe that Aikido is a well know martial art and could hurt someone drastically... 👍
Chris White right on. I practice Qinna which is similar, and I’m convinced my teacher can snap wrist bones if given a fraction of opportunity. Sadly westerners never believe it until he grabs them. The eye only serves so much, thanks for the response 🙂
@@metalxhorse Difficult to make it work against a competent striker or grappler. I trained for years in both Aikido and Kung Fu myself. Currently training Muay Thai and Aiki-Jutsu. There are some useful techniques, but you really need to supplement it with boxing or a decent style of kickboxing. And if the fight goes to the ground, you will need wrestling or BJJ if your opponent can ground grapple.
The Outlander this is true, it’s more of a self defense ability rather than a combat sport or fighting ability. I can make it work once in a while but it’s extremely circumstantial and can be very punishing. I hope to get to the level where I can make it work on demand tho.
TMA apologists when challenger (Fan Shuan Xi) challenges Xu Xiaodong: _crickets_ TMA apologists after Xu Xiaodong owns challenger: "He doesn't represent Tai Chi." "That is not real Tai Chi." "They're using MMA rules." "It is not the martial art, it is the fighter."
I’ve trained Thai boxing, submission wrestling and boxing for over 20 years, I’m nowhere near an amazing fighter but if I ever fight again I hope it’s against a wing chun MASTER!
Love your commentary. Your smarter than most that take everything at face value, and your martial arts knowledge far surpasses most combatants. Thank you for the entertainment and wisdom, keep it up brother! /bow
Kung fu is outdoor martial art , Tai chi is a typical example . It is a paradox for a fighting skill , to keep still in closed area , why ? Champion in rings , amazing !
If you check they have some kind of body protection under the long shirts. It is not allowed to punch the face but it is allowed to throw the other guy, or push him out from the circle, or punch the body (which is protected), and kick as well. I wouldn't say it is fake, but simply the rules are weird. I think they tried to create a ruleset where traditional arts can test themselves.
Does he spar? Is he a fighter? How many fights does he have? It’s unbelievable how these ppl who only does set routines or katas think they can apply this to ring fighting or cage fighting.
I've been doing taichi for 14 years, teaching it for a couple years now. It's a powerful passion that has so many benefits. If I ever get attacked, I'll use my kick boxing and grappling techniques and be a savage. Can't say taichi techniques cannot happen in a fight, I mean a lot of them are techniques that are in every other style, but the bottom line is I've never seen anybody do real sparring regularly using taichi. Push hands, although awesome, isn't sparring at all.
Most taiji guys just do push hands, I’m guilty of that as well 🤣. While push hands can make one a highly skilled grappler, it definitely leads to striking vulnerabilities!!! Hopefully this dude trains some boxing or he’ll probably get caught and crumble
metalxhorse 1 9 9 0 how does push hands translate in grappling skill? Does it help u snap heads down or sprawl? Secure a mountain, force ur opponents hips down?
Lord Narasimha for me personally, I’ve gotten pretty good at arm drag usage to pull opponents off balance, after which, a hearty shove, takedown, or strike can be issued. It definitely helps with developing a solid base, low center of gravity, as well as reactions to shots or throw attempts. I would encourage u to check out some competition or instructional vids if ur curious.
Standup grappling most likely, they could add striking too, since there's no shortage of strikes in taichi, but i grappling tends to be the main focus.
I believe true Tai Chi practitioner would not mock other or challenge publicly. For those who did it has not known the true principle or essence of Tai Chi. Tai Chi alone would never claim as a martial art or anything but is Tai Chi. Neither in the Tai Chi teaching teaches to offend to prove yourself alone is better than others, but teach as a balancing force whether in action or speech. The moment you break the principle, you're not doing Tai Chi. People tweak and change Tai Chi so that they can self-glorify, is just rude.
Your fight video is from Wu Lin Da Hui. They don't hit to the face in that one. It was advertised as a reality/martial arts fighting show featuring different traditional styles, but unfortunately it's hampered by a dumb ruleset that not only doesn't let you hit to the face, but they seem to be wearing some large body pad under those jackets. Also, the seasons are intra-style only, dashing my desire to see which is the stronger style, bajiquan or drunken boxing.
Can I use Dim- Mak in an MMA fight? Probably not. Taijii is Dim-Mak. This guy just fights old men who can practice forms🤔 Just because someone says they are a Taijii master doesn't mean they are,many people who practice Taijii do not no how to fight because they have been taught incorrectly. They are just masters at practicing a form.
I have concluded that these challengers are looking for a free publicity stunt. Ever since that one guy sued Xu, it became obvious that these guys are fighting with wordplay instead of fists. They know they cannot beat him in the ring, so they will try to beat him outside of the ring.
Xu will loose if he accepts this tai chi master’s challenge. Cant you see the grace, accuracy and tempo of his moves. There is no way Xu will be able to replicate the same movement even in a year. Xu’s movement would be awkward. The judges would surely award the win to this tai chi master.
He is a good performer and has decent breakfalls. In one where he is swept, you see him peek down to where he was going to land and execute a breakfall. You can tell he is targeting air when he throws his kick. And when his kick was caught he purposely threw it slow and targeted behind his opponents head so it was an easy grab and sweep of his planted leg.
Nome Nessuno These ‘fights’ were more an exhibition for the Chen family - that is why the ‘masters’ won in exact order of lineage (I think the lineage holder Chen Ziqiang ‘won’ overall).
Problem with traditional martial artists are they need to follow Bruce Lee, you have to change your fighting skill in order to adapt to the present fighting skill,like anything in this world ,you have to updates all the time ,constantly changing,if you stay your way without changing and improve,you will be eliminated
This guy's skill can take on anyone who had not had any martial art training. I bet you if I practice boxing, thai boxing or MMA for one year, I can take this guy down in one round.
@ "As a Communist Entrepreneur, this fight was always rigged against me. I literally had to give 110% for my training and 115% for my business, which adds up to 225%. How much did Xu Xiaodong have to give? 85%?"
I don't think you guys understand why most Chinese people are offended by Xu. Let's put it this way, what if you're a believer in God, or a high power, and a person comes in and tells you, with force, that God's not real, and he wants you to give him all possible reasons to prove that God is real. And if you can't, he'll mock you, bully you, tells the entire world that what you believe in is fake and you live a sorry fake life. How would you go about with this situation? Do you let this bully prove you wrong that everything you stand for is a waste of time? Or do you fight for what you believe in? Will you cave into this dictator and bow to him as he pees on your religion and tradition, or will you prove to him and 95% of the internet followers that what you believe in is not fake? Remember, Xu is picking on a very old traditional way of life and starting fights and stirring contradictions, and those people are just trying to live a peaceful life, only some have came to fight for their beliefs, sadly it is mainly old out of shape people. But that's my opinion.
Shadrach Hayward yeah sadly If he doesn’t have that push hands background I don’t think it will be competitive at all. It’s a long shot to think this guy can box 😒
Rotflmao...at some point all traditional Martial Arts have to face the reality that MMA has replaced them all... There is an actual legitimate reason there are NO Tai Chi belt holders in MMA...
FMF Forsyth right but most of these guys have trouble moving by the time they are 60. I used to take lessons from a 75 year old man who could easily throw me into a wall at the strong age of 23. It’s a sustained approach to self defense instead of a sprint...if u practice applications that is! (Light sparring and push hands)
@@metalxhorse Yeah sure your 75 year old instructor can (I am being sarcastic meaning your lying), he could not defend himself in a real fight, again there are no tai chi champions anywhere on earth where they have to actually fight an uncooperative opponet. tai chi much like yoga in not a fighting style.
I kinda Like Xu in a way tho, I just also like Tai Chi, I think he should master Tai Chi since hes already a good fighter, Tai Chi is very healthy for you to be mobile in old age but many Mhuy Thai guys have joint problems and nerve damage in that way Tai Chi is actually winning already
The Insightful deciple of the Godbof Hip Hop wang streets are too brutal maniacs out have street fighter version of boxing and slight grappling without grace to a martial arts. There style is unorthodox not recognized to understand. Boxing wrestling Muay Thai jujitsu and judo can match that because of resistance to control balance of wild attacks that are not graceful. Traditional martial arts you are taught to train in one system with others that are similar not different.
He has a great ground game, likes to bounce on it. Maybe developing earth-core-mega-Chi-power-up. Xu will have to be careful knocking TaiChiGuy (TCG) to the floor to get those power boosts.
that's the thing though, the Chen taiji camps have full-time sanda kickboxing schools there, so you can train under "taiji masters" while learning real fighting disciplines, then come out and rep for the ineffective ones.
@jakubkalinamalina That's a common misconception. Sanda, as it is practiced today, has only been around since the 1970s, and even then it barely resembled what it is now. Sanda, like Dutch kickboxing and American kickboxing, was the product of learning and mixing techniques used in international kickboxing tournaments. It does not originate in any traditional Chinese martial art. It's true that the words are quite old, but the contemporary style itself has less than nothing to do with taiji, no more than Dutch kickboxing is based on ancient Dutch traditional martial arts. Pretty much all kickboxing, aside from Muay Thai, was created during and after the 1960s.
@jakubkalinamalina "Sanda was developed in the early 1900's to train soldiers. The 1970's was simply the beginning of CIVILIAN sanda as well as standardized taolu, creating the two components of modern wushu." That's a common misconception. We can actually watch the development of sanda as the PRC started recording some of these matches from the '70s (and especially '80s) onward, as they, like many other nations, started to develop their own form of kickboxing based on what was learned in international kickboxing bouts. In the beginning it's basically karate, and through the '80s and '90s it starts to incorporate more Muay Thai and boxing. Anyway, no, it's conclusively known that the style we call sanda today did not exist before the 1970s. "The techniques of modern sanda are all taught in one kind of kung fu or another" I guess if you looked hard enough between the hundreds of styles of kung fu, but no, the modern incarnation of sanda is not much older than I am, and was directly imported from other nations. That's not a slam on the PRC, pretty much everyone was doing that. Americans developed American kickboxing, which was essentially karate kicks and Western boxing punches, Dutch kickboxing, which is the dominant style of kickboxing in MMA today (and usually what we mean when we just say kickboxing), started from karate and Western boxing, but added a lot of Muay Thai later--it's somewhere between American kickboxing and Muay Thai, stylistically. The style that started it all (kickboxing, that is), karate, developed the modern form of Japanese kickboxing in this era too, called kyokushin. The '60s was just this explosive time for striking, really the first time that countries from all over the world could meet up and figure out what worked. What the UFC did for MMA in the '90s, kickboxing did for striking in the '60s. It sent everyone back to the drawing board. The PRC was late to the party though, because interaction with the relevant countries in these fights didn't begin until the Nixon administration. The important thing is that sanda actually works. Propagandists and apologists can spend their lives trying to make sure we believe it's traditional kung fu (although they're not fooling anyone), but what's important is that people are learning a martial art that gets them to their goals. If they want to believe in fabricated histories, like that of wing chun for instance, that has no serious impact on whether the style works. If countries, like South Korea, need some historical revisionism to claim karate for themselves and rename it TKD, I'm not sure that's wise, but it ultimately doesn't matter. Lots of countries do it, and have done it recently. Sanda isn't even unique in this regard.
Hard to really predict the outcome of the fight when the match in the video was almost 10 years ago and was also likely staged. Are there any sources that say he is not trained in Sanda? I believe that sanda is a relatively new feature of the village.
That fight was like fun to watch, but I am skeptical that it was with resistance. I dont think he would win as it stands from that one fight, but I think he has potential if he trained for real he would not be bad.
Seriously... It's not wuxia nor manhua story. Master god taichi whatever, as far as I know taichi dont have ground grappling move set. You ded if you grounded. Even silat/kuntau that are focused on ground grappling have problem against heavier opponents. This master shifu need reality check.
Yeah, the lqck of ground grappling in chinese martial arts is q serious and to me confusing weakness, they have enough techniques for throwing striking and locking, why so few for the ground?
@@Alicia_lovepuppies yes, but unless this match us run under burmese lethwei rules that won't be allowed, and besides, that't for countering a high grab, not a leg grab. Taiji does have counters for leg takedowns, but they are not practiced enough by most people.
Seems like these traditional martial artists are so fucking full of themselfes, that they actually believe, they could fight a MMA fighter, whos trained and conditioned to crush and to take a beating Im so stoked to see this guy get his shit kicked in. I hate how these traditional martial artists are using their 'prestige' of their titles as 'masters' or 'champions' to inflate their egos. Time to bring em down
He looks athletic, but his fights are fixed. His charges actually look somewhat Kyokushin-esque but then he is taking the falls. I assume that if challenged he’ll either have business obligations or his stipulations will be ridiculous.
I am only going to be satisfied if they start fighting actual MMA matches. I think they keep the challenge matches in a Sanda format to give the TMA some help.
@@kepheramanjet3244 MMA is the best venue to test if a style works. Class means nothing if you train an ineffective art then get your ass kicked trying to use it.
Tai chi is dim mak. Dim mak techniqes are not allowed in MMA matches Just because someone is Chinese doesn't mean they understand what Tai chi really is. Many people practice Tai chi as a health art but don't know the Dim Mak. If you want to know what taijii really is go to world Tai chi boxing association or look up Erle Montaigue. MMA is all about ego you only use a martial art to protect your self and loved ones not to see if you can beat this person or that person.
*_It is a pitty how Xu is humiliating his own country and countrymen because he STARTED all this challenge competitions._* Of course Xu is going to win! The Chinese generally have completely different comprehension of term "martial art", very different from western world. Westers are trained in competition for KO their opponent. Chinese "marshall" is mostly tradition, entertainment, heritage... *Xu and Fan are both stupid, but Xu started the whole unfair competition between KO trained man and ethnology spiritual practitioners!* This whole thing is like a fight between grown man and a child. Humiliating for both in many ways. And *Western hyenas* are enjoying the spectacle. They would also enjoy the combat between a bar bouncer and a myopic librarian.
Everyone stand a chance to win winter melon .. but to win xu xiao dong .. u can't be a tai ji master or tai ji champion .. unless u learn something else like sanda or any forms of kick boxing .. or else .. u can only win winter melon ..
I appreciate the comment, however, I can't listen to Mr. Dewey because of his monotone voice, I will fall asleep or end up killing myself due to sadness. I rather, place my bet on an MMA practioner (Muay Thai) vs. Tai Chi competitor.
I appreciate your explanation, however, why would I supplement a martial art (Muay Thai) which is already combat effective with something that isn't (Tai Chi)?
People talk like nobody can beat Xu 🤣 don't forget that we are 7billion people on Earth there is always one who can defeat you easily if is that you're looking for ;)
This guy is in better shape than other challengers in the past, but I don't think he'll win. As a practitioner of both traditional internal Chinese arts (not Tai Chi) as well as Western boxing, here's the way I see it. Internal arts work when you're on the inside IF you do the proper training and you have the right strategy. That means full contact training, conditioning, and having a decent strategy like entries, feints, etc. The problem is most of these guys have no idea how to get on the inside and they also fight in a very defensive way. They do SO many drills where they just stand there, a guy throws a shitty punch holding his arm out there, and they react to it with 3 or 4 moves. That shit will never work and it will give you a false sense of security. We train in a more practical way, so we learn how to use the methods in real situations. For example, I might trigger the opponent with a feint. Then I may defend the first shot with a slip or sway back, parry, etc. Then I immediately come in with my attack. Once on the inside, that's where some of my other stuff will come into play. It's hard to explain it just with words, but this is the type of training you can do when sparring. How many of these guys train like this? I'd guess almost none and I doubt they train with people who know how to throw a decent punch. Hell I'm pretty sure that almost all of these guys can be taken out with a feint and an overhand right. I'll put money on that!
Dude stop bashing Taiji. I have used Taiji in many situations, including real life threatening situations and in unit sparring training. Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it's not real.
Kephera Manjet exactly, competitive push hands and legit Qinna training are no joke. The stigma is so hard to shake 😔. Sadly guys going out and getting destroyed my mma fighters on RUclips are really hurting the reputation. I wish these guys would either train full contact seriously or stay out of the ring
Something I forgot to mention, he’s an expert humblebragger: he’s says he’s not a master but then talks about being a champion 😜😂
Here's footage of him (apparently) competing in a match: ruclips.net/video/j8_ZJQYboPQ/видео.html
Another person challenging Xu: ruclips.net/video/2N_UhV1Fptk/видео.html
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More footage to come tomorrow of this challenger.
He wants to be famous. Probably started in mma when the 🍈 got fame and waited until he had some basic training to challenge. He probably will pretend to do ti chee and do mma methods to hope to get bragging rights.
How big is this guy compared to Xu? Xu needs to fight a legitimate person not guys that are 30 years older, 6 inches shorter and 150 lbs less
Fight tony ferguson
Please no more people beat so badly.. Lol..
@@jerrystott7780 I'm kind of wondering about that myself. A couple years of serious behind-the-scenes MMA training can take you pretty far, and XXD is over the hill anyway. It would also explain how he got ripped.
The way most of the kung fu frauds do it is they will do fancy stances and wavy arm things whenever there's some space, then they can return to Muay Thai or sanda during the action.
I like this first of all he isn't a 120 years old. Xu is gonna still win though.
This morron still weigh 100 pounds less.
people would still find excuses even if they were the same age, weight and height. It's a pointless endeavor.
@@TheHasan0167 he weighs 80 lbs?
@@elenchus Fat Frog is 220 pounds boxer. Weighs more than Bas Rutten,Jon Jones,Daniel Cormier.
Agree this mans kung-fu is not enough to beat your mans MMA.
Fight goes like this: Xu stays at range for ten seconds and watches as TCC whiffles a few kicks in the air between them. Xu bum-rushes, closes distance and TCC crumbles under a few punches high and low. Referee intercedes, restarts the fight, Xu rushes in with a chain combination of punches and its allll over, ref stops the fight.
You forgot the most important part: judges rule the fight to be a draw.
Chinese government declares it a draw; Communist Entrepreneur claims it was unfair because he couldn't stop thinking of innovative business ideas throughout the match.
Then TCC complains that he didn’t eat enough before the fight.
You know. Fight is over.
atleast he's done more than 5 pushups unlike the other masters
I believe in sparring as the main form of exercise but i still think you should go running and do at least a few pushups, or a hundred.
He’s gonna use tkd, muay thai techniques and claim its tai chi.
Typical Chinese not respecting copyrights.
Audio 9999 san shou techniques, and claim tai chi.
Fighting is fighting! When we fight at my taiji school, we use knees, elbows, clinch. Don’t get caught up in style, we all “practice” differently, but fighting is fighting.
@@metalxhorse facts
@@metalxhorse Amen!
HERE COMES A NEW CHALLENGER!!!!
or a new punching bag for our favorite MMA panda.
Master WONG vs Xu Xiaodong! What doy you all say ?
li Sangma it be pretty even ngl haha
I don't know how good Master Wong is, but Master Wong never shows us the form and claim how good his form is.
Master Wong always emphasizes on street fighting and busts people's nuts. Maybe Master Wong can last a little bit longer in the fight!
Master Wong just as fake as all these other fake masters
Anyone can beat Master wrong.
Xu has too much weight advantage
This is so slow, fake, and choreographed, it makes WWE wrestling look real.
Just so you know WWE isn't fake ,it's staged ,u can't fake falling from 10 feet in the air😁
Tyson Burns I agree 😂
They still eat that red or blue Pill ..
Nope, WWE still fake, at least WWE still using pure muscle to fight
I totally expect everyone complaining about Xu's 'bad attitude' to focus on this man's bad attitude when he loses.
lol right. He'll just eye poke him after the fight is over while shaking hands and the kung fu fans will find some way to blame it on XXD
Next time: yoga vs bjj
On a serious note, yoga greatly compliments BJJ. It helps to heal and relax your joints that are stressed during bjj training.
Try gusti with bjj.
LOL
For those of you that don’t speak the language, calling Xu Xiaodong “winter melon” in Chinese is more funnier than it sounds.
doesnt sha gua means stupid so its like combining xiaodong with shagua?
Winter melon is a nice drink
Because the "Dong" in Xu Xiaodong's name means "Winter"! 🤣🤣🤣
His kicks are semi-powerful but he drops his hands everytime he throws them. He might catch Xu off guard with the first kick, but Xu is gonna step into this second kick with an overhand right and send this guy to the shadow realm.
shan_rocks if that’s a real clip of him fighting he’s absolutely screwed. Gaurd is soft as butter. For his sake I hope it was staged. I hope so because I love taiji, and we take our skills quite seriously at my school, tired of seeing these losers get bashed.
Xu's kicks are faster and more powerful already.
unless this guy has done some actual practice sparring in MMA with tai chi skills, he's gonna get killed. that's what happens. I love tai chi and it can be very practical, but you gotta do the pressure testing. if you don't get used to being hit hard and keeping going, a MMA guy is gonna take you out of your depth.
Richard Shapiro very balanced and honest observation. Thank you for having both taiji experience and a brain 👍🏼
Didn't you say you have a video of him actually fighting for us tomorrow?
Daniel Yerke yep
@@FightCommentary awesome
U probably have an IQ of 200😂
@@akmalidham More like 1 thousand thank you sir.
This guy is actually an MMA fighter.
Actually Fan Shuaixin 樊帅鑫 is a student of Wong whom he fighted in the footage. Although Fan had a history of Sanda practition for years, his master still kicked his ass badly, which it's not a surprise to us because ALL Tai Chi masters are highly specialized on beating their own students.
Woww do you have the real fight between Fan Shuai Xin and Xu Xiaodong ? did this fight actually happens?
Looks like when Steven Segal was playing around with the Russian boys in Russia..!! 🤣
Chris White I was thinking about this the other day, do u personally feel seagal is a fraud, or was that just a bad demo? I’ve had an aikido thro me from a wrist lock before, it was pretty intense, but I was so young I can’t remember if I could have defended against it or not.
@@metalxhorse I do believe that it is an art form, and that someone could really fuck somebody up by using it. But maybe it's because of his weight, age, or some other factors, they weren't using all of their abilities against him. Just like the video showing where Putin laid out a guy using a Judo technique. It was very slow, and not convincing. Also, I'm sure it was because it was Vladimir Putin and not some guy off the street. And the guy knowing that if he fucked Putin up, there would have been some dyer consequences to him, and/or his family. But yes, I do believe that Aikido is a well know martial art and could hurt someone drastically... 👍
Chris White right on. I practice Qinna which is similar, and I’m convinced my teacher can snap wrist bones if given a fraction of opportunity. Sadly westerners never believe it until he grabs them. The eye only serves so much, thanks for the response 🙂
@@metalxhorse Difficult to make it work against a competent striker or grappler. I trained for years in both Aikido and Kung Fu myself. Currently training Muay Thai and Aiki-Jutsu. There are some useful techniques, but you really need to supplement it with boxing or a decent style of kickboxing. And if the fight goes to the ground, you will need wrestling or BJJ if your opponent can ground grapple.
The Outlander this is true, it’s more of a self defense ability rather than a combat sport or fighting ability. I can make it work once in a while but it’s extremely circumstantial and can be very punishing. I hope to get to the level where I can make it work on demand tho.
TMA apologists when challenger (Fan Shuan Xi) challenges Xu Xiaodong: _crickets_
TMA apologists after Xu Xiaodong owns challenger: "He doesn't represent Tai Chi."
"That is not real Tai Chi." "They're using MMA rules." "It is not the martial art, it is the fighter."
"It is not the martial art, it is the fighter." There is considerable truth to this.
@@blazinchalice Obviously its a combo of both, but you never hear them saying that the fighter is a poor fighter before he loses.
The way he pointed when he made his statements is exactly the same way I see in Chinese movies 😭
I’ve trained Thai boxing, submission wrestling and boxing for over 20 years, I’m nowhere near an amazing fighter but if I ever fight again I hope it’s against a wing chun MASTER!
It's gonna end the same like the others
Except there's a plot twist
Hey FCB, just one slight correction: qin na doesn't mean throwing techniques, but joint manipulation/locking
Love your commentary. Your smarter than most that take everything at face value, and your martial arts knowledge far surpasses most combatants. Thank you for the entertainment and wisdom, keep it up brother! /bow
When's the figgt happening? This was already a year ago... Does Xu know about it? Someone please get in touch with Xu to let him know...
Kung fu is outdoor martial art , Tai chi is a typical example . It is a paradox for a fighting skill , to keep still in closed area , why ? Champion in rings , amazing !
Even if it’s just grappling, a high sch level wrestler of the same weight will rekt this guy.
Even a smaller high school wrestler*
If you check they have some kind of body protection under the long shirts. It is not allowed to punch the face but it is allowed to throw the other guy, or push him out from the circle, or punch the body (which is protected), and kick as well. I wouldn't say it is fake, but simply the rules are weird. I think they tried to create a ruleset where traditional arts can test themselves.
Totally different from someone throwing a barrage of punches for full 2 minutes in front of you non stop
lukecage275 I know I seen your fight with iron fist and felt it through the TV
Does he spar? Is he a fighter? How many fights does he have? It’s unbelievable how these ppl who only does set routines or katas think they can apply this to ring fighting or cage fighting.
MrLimbei123 that’s why I left katas for MMA
The referee looks like the same referee that did the XXD wingchun fight.
You guys give good commentary. You make it very interesting to watch!
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I've been doing taichi for 14 years, teaching it for a couple years now. It's a powerful passion that has so many benefits. If I ever get attacked, I'll use my kick boxing and grappling techniques and be a savage. Can't say taichi techniques cannot happen in a fight, I mean a lot of them are techniques that are in every other style, but the bottom line is I've never seen anybody do real sparring regularly using taichi. Push hands, although awesome, isn't sparring at all.
Punches to the head were probably illegal in the Tai Chi fight.
daniel280456 which makes him really susceptible to punches in the head since he doesn’t train for/deal with them
Most taiji guys just do push hands, I’m guilty of that as well 🤣. While push hands can make one a highly skilled grappler, it definitely leads to striking vulnerabilities!!! Hopefully this dude trains some boxing or he’ll probably get caught and crumble
metalxhorse 1 9 9 0 how does push hands translate in grappling skill? Does it help u snap heads down or sprawl? Secure a mountain, force ur opponents hips down?
Lord Narasimha for me personally, I’ve gotten pretty good at arm drag usage to pull opponents off balance, after which, a hearty shove, takedown, or strike can be issued. It definitely helps with developing a solid base, low center of gravity, as well as reactions to shots or throw attempts. I would encourage u to check out some competition or instructional vids if ur curious.
metalxhorse 1 9 9 0 hmmm....
Got any video of their fight?
How the hell does Tai Chi even has a “championship”. What do they do? Meditate until one falls down?
Tai chi compete something called “push hands”, maybe thats it.
Standup grappling most likely, they could add striking too, since there's no shortage of strikes in taichi, but i grappling tends to be the main focus.
You are so funny. What type of taichi do you do? Meditation?
Push hands fool. Look it up, I competed in a competition last month. Stop being ignorant and do ur research
They fight in full contact San Shou
"What can we tell from this?"
Um, the fact that both of them do NOT look like actual fighters?
I believe true Tai Chi practitioner would not mock other or challenge publicly. For those who did it has not known the true principle or essence of Tai Chi. Tai Chi alone would never claim as a martial art or anything but is Tai Chi. Neither in the Tai Chi teaching teaches to offend to prove yourself alone is better than others, but teach as a balancing force whether in action or speech. The moment you break the principle, you're not doing Tai Chi. People tweak and change Tai Chi so that they can self-glorify, is just rude.
Your fight video is from Wu Lin Da Hui. They don't hit to the face in that one. It was advertised as a reality/martial arts fighting show featuring different traditional styles, but unfortunately it's hampered by a dumb ruleset that not only doesn't let you hit to the face, but they seem to be wearing some large body pad under those jackets. Also, the seasons are intra-style only, dashing my desire to see which is the stronger style, bajiquan or drunken boxing.
Breaking news Tai chi lazer master got killed by a water melon
Can I use Dim- Mak in an MMA fight? Probably not. Taijii is Dim-Mak. This guy just fights old men who can practice forms🤔 Just because someone says they are a Taijii master doesn't mean they are,many people who practice Taijii do not no how to fight because they have been taught incorrectly. They are just masters at practicing a form.
I have concluded that these challengers are looking for a free publicity stunt. Ever since that one guy sued Xu, it became obvious that these guys are fighting with wordplay instead of fists. They know they cannot beat him in the ring, so they will try to beat him outside of the ring.
Xu will loose if he accepts this tai chi master’s challenge. Cant you see the grace, accuracy and tempo of his moves. There is no way Xu will be able to replicate the same movement even in a year. Xu’s movement would be awkward. The judges would surely award the win to this tai chi master.
Not sure how the judges get involved when the Tai Chi gets absolutely flattened early in the "fight". It's a mis-match.
He is a good performer and has decent breakfalls. In one where he is swept, you see him peek down to where he was going to land and execute a breakfall. You can tell he is targeting air when he throws his kick. And when his kick was caught he purposely threw it slow and targeted behind his opponents head so it was an easy grab and sweep of his planted leg.
Nome Nessuno These ‘fights’ were more an exhibition for the Chen family - that is why the ‘masters’ won in exact order of lineage (I think the lineage holder Chen Ziqiang ‘won’ overall).
biggest problem with lots of traditional martial artists is the lack of conditioning
Problem with traditional martial artists are they need to follow Bruce Lee, you have to change your fighting skill in order to adapt to the present fighting skill,like anything in this world ,you have to updates all the time ,constantly changing,if you stay your way without changing and improve,you will be eliminated
This guy's skill can take on anyone who had not had any martial art training. I bet you if I practice boxing, thai boxing or MMA for one year, I can take this guy down in one round.
so, 4 months now, did Xu accepted Fan's challenge?
From watching this the guy in black was definitely throwing the match
I don't get it has the insult winter melon some deeper meaning which we just don't get because of the direct transition can someone explain.
Lol that guy is really convincing from that footage.
@ 0:09 is it even up for debate if mma is fake lmao
"I'm not a fake martial art, YOU'RE a fake martial art!"
yea i got that i know you are but what am i feeling from him. hopefully he has something better to say to his students after he loses the fight.
@ "As a Communist Entrepreneur, this fight was always rigged against me. I literally had to give 110% for my training and 115% for my business, which adds up to 225%. How much did Xu Xiaodong have to give? 85%?"
I don't think you guys understand why most Chinese people are offended by Xu. Let's put it this way, what if you're a believer in God, or a high power, and a person comes in and tells you, with force, that God's not real, and he wants you to give him all possible reasons to prove that God is real. And if you can't, he'll mock you, bully you, tells the entire world that what you believe in is fake and you live a sorry fake life. How would you go about with this situation? Do you let this bully prove you wrong that everything you stand for is a waste of time? Or do you fight for what you believe in? Will you cave into this dictator and bow to him as he pees on your religion and tradition, or will you prove to him and 95% of the internet followers that what you believe in is not fake? Remember, Xu is picking on a very old traditional way of life and starting fights and stirring contradictions, and those people are just trying to live a peaceful life, only some have came to fight for their beliefs, sadly it is mainly old out of shape people. But that's my opinion.
"Lets see if tai chi is fake or if you are really fake".. One thing we all know is... Xu is not fake
Qi La La is the only one I care to see fight against Xu nowadays.
They look like grade schooler (that only know how to kick) fighting.
Looks like a tai chi champion of forms to me
Shadrach Hayward yeah sadly If he doesn’t have that push hands background I don’t think it will be competitive at all. It’s a long shot to think this guy can box 😒
Rotflmao...at some point all traditional Martial Arts have to face the reality that MMA has replaced them all... There is an actual legitimate reason there are NO Tai Chi belt holders in MMA...
FMF Forsyth right but most of these guys have trouble moving by the time they are 60. I used to take lessons from a 75 year old man who could easily throw me into a wall at the strong age of 23. It’s a sustained approach to self defense instead of a sprint...if u practice applications that is! (Light sparring and push hands)
@@metalxhorse Yeah sure your 75 year old instructor can (I am being sarcastic meaning your lying), he could not defend himself in a real fight, again there are no tai chi champions anywhere on earth where they have to actually fight an uncooperative opponet. tai chi much like yoga in not a fighting style.
From xuxiaodong video it seems wangzhanjun is his master. please make another video bout this 👍👍👍
I kinda Like Xu in a way tho, I just also like Tai Chi, I think he should master Tai Chi since hes already a good fighter, Tai Chi is very healthy for you to be mobile in old age but many Mhuy Thai guys have joint problems and nerve damage in that way Tai Chi is actually winning already
The Insightful deciple of the Godbof Hip Hop wang streets are too brutal maniacs out have street fighter version of boxing and slight grappling without grace to a martial arts. There style is unorthodox not recognized to understand. Boxing wrestling Muay Thai jujitsu and judo can match that because of resistance to control balance of wild attacks that are not graceful. Traditional martial arts you are taught to train in one system with others that are similar not different.
It really looks like the CCP is ruining the abilities of the Chinese men to learn to really fight or defend themselves. Great video.
When's this happening finally??
He has a great ground game, likes to bounce on it. Maybe developing earth-core-mega-Chi-power-up. Xu will have to be careful knocking TaiChiGuy (TCG) to the floor to get those power boosts.
Ok. But you can ONLY use tai chi. If not, then Xu's point is proven.
that's the thing though, the Chen taiji camps have full-time sanda kickboxing schools there, so you can train under "taiji masters" while learning real fighting disciplines, then come out and rep for the ineffective ones.
Which would work, but the Chinese government inexplicably prefers to back the nearest screaming hobo claiming to be a "kung-fu master" instead.
Nope. It’s a fight. He who won, can claim anything. But Xu would beat him up. Can’t wait to see another tai chi master bathed in his own blood.
@jakubkalinamalina That's a common misconception. Sanda, as it is practiced today, has only been around since the 1970s, and even then it barely resembled what it is now. Sanda, like Dutch kickboxing and American kickboxing, was the product of learning and mixing techniques used in international kickboxing tournaments. It does not originate in any traditional Chinese martial art.
It's true that the words are quite old, but the contemporary style itself has less than nothing to do with taiji, no more than Dutch kickboxing is based on ancient Dutch traditional martial arts. Pretty much all kickboxing, aside from Muay Thai, was created during and after the 1960s.
@jakubkalinamalina "Sanda was developed in the early 1900's to train soldiers. The 1970's was simply the beginning of CIVILIAN sanda as well as standardized taolu, creating the two components of modern wushu."
That's a common misconception. We can actually watch the development of sanda as the PRC started recording some of these matches from the '70s (and especially '80s) onward, as they, like many other nations, started to develop their own form of kickboxing based on what was learned in international kickboxing bouts. In the beginning it's basically karate, and through the '80s and '90s it starts to incorporate more Muay Thai and boxing.
Anyway, no, it's conclusively known that the style we call sanda today did not exist before the 1970s.
"The techniques of modern sanda are all taught in one kind of kung fu or another"
I guess if you looked hard enough between the hundreds of styles of kung fu, but no, the modern incarnation of sanda is not much older than I am, and was directly imported from other nations. That's not a slam on the PRC, pretty much everyone was doing that. Americans developed American kickboxing, which was essentially karate kicks and Western boxing punches, Dutch kickboxing, which is the dominant style of kickboxing in MMA today (and usually what we mean when we just say kickboxing), started from karate and Western boxing, but added a lot of Muay Thai later--it's somewhere between American kickboxing and Muay Thai, stylistically. The style that started it all (kickboxing, that is), karate, developed the modern form of Japanese kickboxing in this era too, called kyokushin.
The '60s was just this explosive time for striking, really the first time that countries from all over the world could meet up and figure out what worked. What the UFC did for MMA in the '90s, kickboxing did for striking in the '60s. It sent everyone back to the drawing board. The PRC was late to the party though, because interaction with the relevant countries in these fights didn't begin until the Nixon administration.
The important thing is that sanda actually works. Propagandists and apologists can spend their lives trying to make sure we believe it's traditional kung fu (although they're not fooling anyone), but what's important is that people are learning a martial art that gets them to their goals. If they want to believe in fabricated histories, like that of wing chun for instance, that has no serious impact on whether the style works. If countries, like South Korea, need some historical revisionism to claim karate for themselves and rename it TKD, I'm not sure that's wise, but it ultimately doesn't matter. Lots of countries do it, and have done it recently. Sanda isn't even unique in this regard.
Did this fight ever happen?
Hard to really predict the outcome of the fight when the match in the video was almost 10 years ago and was also likely staged. Are there any sources that say he is not trained in Sanda? I believe that sanda is a relatively new feature of the village.
That fight was like fun to watch, but I am skeptical that it was with resistance. I dont think he would win as it stands from that one fight, but I think he has potential if he trained for real he would not be bad.
Seriously... It's not wuxia nor manhua story.
Master god taichi whatever, as far as I know taichi dont have ground grappling move set. You ded if you grounded. Even silat/kuntau that are focused on ground grappling have problem against heavier opponents.
This master shifu need reality check.
Yeah, the lqck of ground grappling in chinese martial arts is q serious and to me confusing weakness, they have enough techniques for throwing striking and locking, why so few for the ground?
we were taught to use head butt if someone trys to grab u
@@Alicia_lovepuppies yes, but unless this match us run under burmese lethwei rules that won't be allowed, and besides, that't for countering a high grab, not a leg grab. Taiji does have counters for leg takedowns, but they are not practiced enough by most people.
Anyone know xu Xiang don height and weight
I Didn't know Royce Gracie was fighting taichi.
Seems like these traditional martial artists are so fucking full of themselfes, that they actually believe, they could fight a MMA fighter, whos trained and conditioned to crush and to take a beating
Im so stoked to see this guy get his shit kicked in. I hate how these traditional martial artists are using their 'prestige' of their titles as 'masters' or 'champions' to inflate their egos. Time to bring em down
Did they fight
I am Chinese, and I have a tough time with this guy's name. But either way it's a fake fight , and Xu will murder both of them.
He looks athletic, but his fights are fixed. His charges actually look somewhat Kyokushin-esque but then he is taking the falls.
I assume that if challenged he’ll either have business obligations or his stipulations will be ridiculous.
🤓👍
Maybe he should challange Xu in his own game. Yes, this guy vs Xu in a Push Hands Competition!
Its neat. Some cool techniques, they pull their strikes. Tai Chi champs a dead man.
I'm not a Tai Chi Master but I represent Tai Chi, wtf is he talking about.
It makes sense.
It is like saying I'm not the best looking guy, but I'm a guy.
It's like Xu isn't the best mma fighter. Or the best skinny guy
He represents himself.
“I practice but I’m not a master.” Did you really need help with that one?? Or are you just trolling...
I am only going to be satisfied if they start fighting actual MMA matches. I think they keep the challenge matches in a Sanda format to give the TMA some help.
They keep to the Sanda because the UFC is kinda barbaric and they like to look like they have some class
@@kepheramanjet3244 MMA is the best venue to test if a style works. Class means nothing if you train an ineffective art then get your ass kicked trying to use it.
do u know in china there's this term 'fake audience' as weill? audience were paid to cheer, clap, look excited, cry or whatsoever.
This is embarrassing! Xu Xiaodong is going to kick all their asses, until he won't be allowed to walk, or buy food or I don't even know what else...
It's sad and stupid to insult Real Tai Chi,,Chen Tai Chi is fucking awsome!
Tai chi is dim mak. Dim mak techniqes are not allowed in MMA matches Just because someone is Chinese doesn't mean they understand what Tai chi really is. Many people practice Tai chi as a health art but don't know the Dim Mak. If you want to know what taijii really is go to world Tai chi boxing association or look up Erle Montaigue. MMA is all about ego you only use a martial art to protect your self and loved ones not to see if you can beat this person or that person.
Speed determines the winner
when is xu fighting this guy?
*_It is a pitty how Xu is humiliating his own country and countrymen because he STARTED all this challenge competitions._*
Of course Xu is going to win!
The Chinese generally have completely different comprehension of term "martial art", very different from western world. Westers are trained in competition for KO their opponent. Chinese "marshall" is mostly tradition, entertainment, heritage...
*Xu and Fan are both stupid, but Xu started the whole unfair competition between KO trained man and ethnology spiritual practitioners!*
This whole thing is like a fight between grown man and a child. Humiliating for both in many ways.
And *Western hyenas* are enjoying the spectacle. They would also enjoy the combat between a bar bouncer and a myopic librarian.
the guy is already making excuses if he loses by casually mentioning he cant train full time. I want Xiao Dong to punch him to hard
I'll tell you, if tai chi is half as powerful as the Legend claims. Then God help us all...😜
Everyone stand a chance to win winter melon .. but to win xu xiao dong .. u can't be a tai ji master or tai ji champion .. unless u learn something else like sanda or any forms of kick boxing .. or else .. u can only win winter melon ..
He doesn't stand a chance XU can finish him in about 10 seconds.
How is this Tai Chi forms translate to actual fighting? It does not. Too much barking, not enough biting.
I appreciate the comment, however, I can't listen to Mr. Dewey because of his monotone voice, I will fall asleep or end up killing myself due to sadness. I rather, place my bet on an MMA practioner (Muay Thai) vs. Tai Chi competitor.
I appreciate your explanation, however, why would I supplement a martial art (Muay Thai) which is already combat effective with something that isn't (Tai Chi)?
You cant even say Xu's name without getting cencored ? Damn wtf are they doing there
People talk like nobody can beat Xu 🤣 don't forget that we are 7billion people on Earth there is always one who can defeat you easily if is that you're looking for ;)
This is not tai chi. So what does this have to do with tai chi ?
I'm sure his iron face technique is just as useless as his other tai chi brethren
This guy is in better shape than other challengers in the past, but I don't think he'll win. As a practitioner of both traditional internal Chinese arts (not Tai Chi) as well as Western boxing, here's the way I see it. Internal arts work when you're on the inside IF you do the proper training and you have the right strategy. That means full contact training, conditioning, and having a decent strategy like entries, feints, etc. The problem is most of these guys have no idea how to get on the inside and they also fight in a very defensive way. They do SO many drills where they just stand there, a guy throws a shitty punch holding his arm out there, and they react to it with 3 or 4 moves. That shit will never work and it will give you a false sense of security.
We train in a more practical way, so we learn how to use the methods in real situations. For example, I might trigger the opponent with a feint. Then I may defend the first shot with a slip or sway back, parry, etc. Then I immediately come in with my attack. Once on the inside, that's where some of my other stuff will come into play. It's hard to explain it just with words, but this is the type of training you can do when sparring. How many of these guys train like this? I'd guess almost none and I doubt they train with people who know how to throw a decent punch. Hell I'm pretty sure that almost all of these guys can be taken out with a feint and an overhand right. I'll put money on that!
True.. the Kungfu nowadys are more like dancing.. in the old days it was used in the battle field n you better be good or you would be dead
what these dancers doing in the ring???this is not a dance show
for that turn around kick, he will be disoriented for a second, then combos straight punch coming in his face, He is finish before he realize it.
"I represent TaiChi" makes me think he's already been paid off to lose to Xu.
You have to be grandpa 👴 before you can become Tai Chi Master
Dude stop bashing Taiji. I have used Taiji in many situations, including real life threatening situations and in unit sparring training.
Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it's not real.
Kephera Manjet exactly, competitive push hands and legit Qinna training are no joke. The stigma is so hard to shake 😔. Sadly guys going out and getting destroyed my mma fighters on RUclips are really hurting the reputation. I wish these guys would either train full contact seriously or stay out of the ring