I have played Ultra Moon, and I liked it a lot. It's a shame that you don't feel the same way, but I can understand why. For someone who has been playing Pokemon games since Gen 1, Team Rainbow Rocket and Episode RR is very enjoyable and nostalgic, which makes it a great piece of post-game content in my opinion. Mantine Surf is a ton of fun too, which makes earning BP for items and the move tutors enjoyable instead of ridiculously grindy like it was in past games. The soundtrack is fantastic, and I think that Ultra Necrozma's battle theme is one of the best songs in the entire franchise. I also appreciate the higher level of difficulty overall when compared to the other games in the core series.
U summed up all the things I liked about the game . The totem battles were sooo good. The double battle combinations r so unique and really make the battle so interesting
@@tejas124 I'm glad you liked Totem battles. They might not have been perfect, but at the very least they were a nice change of pace from type-themed Gym Battles. Pokemon needs more unique boss fights like Ultra Necrozma, that require actual strategy to beat (like other RPG's such as Final Fantasy have). Spamming a Water-type move against a Rock-type Gym isn't interesting or fun in the slightest.
I played moon and ultra moon. Moon was amazing imo and ultra moon was a superior improvement in every way adding every mega stone, larger post game, more legendaries, etc.
I remember jumping into Ultra Moon right after Moon, like I beat Moon and bought Ultra Moon on release less than a week layer. An amazing improvement in every way except story, which I feel they fucked up in Ultra Moon
@@calum0038 YUP! I felt the same way... the Lusamine arc was handled very, very poorly in us um... sm story WAS in fact better executed, HOWEVER! us um DID add some new REALLY COOL plot elements that I just LOVED! the ultra recon squad was pretty cool but the BEST twist(at least for me)was the whole rainbow rocket take over thing AND that there were villains from past games that also joined the fray... from an ALTERNATE dimension..... AND a dimension where they actually succeeded in catching their respective legendary because either the main hero's in those alternate dimensions either didn't exist(they weren't born)or... they just failed to beat their villain and they won. . . . and THAT.... was TH"E" most single handedly bad ass, hardcore plot twist to end all possible plot twists(for a Pokemon game that is..).... AND it was handled VERY well too! .....just maybe. . . THAT was why they probably did such a slapped ass job with the Lusamine plot twist on this one... because. . . . . it wanted to sell You THAT ending instead....
It is amazing. Its an underrated gen and I would say it is tied with gen 5 (only black and white 2) and all gen 3 games for the best pokemon games. Not a fan of gen 4 slow pace tbh and gen 6 is just too easy. Gen 8 is the worst.
B2W2 and USUM just feel complete. So many minor details that really immerse you into the game and region, which has lacked in the switch games. SV kinda suck tbh, forgetful characters, and the story is too lengthy and boring besides Arvens.
@@Nando6695 Arven is the only reason why the SV story has meaning, the game is completely ass and I stopped playing it and went back to USUM recently and play that now
Honestly I think ultra sun and moon are the best new games in the series. People are way too attatched to the whole gym thing and that's part of the reason that sword and shield are so bad. It's low effort. Sun and moon was game freak trying something different and it worked in my eyes. I just want to see pokemon done in a good way.
What's so bad about the gym battles? That's how it is in the anime and the games are pretty much based on the anime just like red and blue are the counter parts of Ash and Gary , why change something that ain't broke? And has made you millions of dollars over the last 20 plus years?
@@Marvel_vs_Capcom84 okay, 1. games came first anime was an afterthought. And 2. it's so unbelivably stale. If you want to talk about the anime then there is so much more stuff aeound and between the gym battles and so much more stuff in the battles themselves. They have actual rules in the anime unlike the games. They can still do gym battles but they haven't changed since gen 1. They could have made the galar league so much more interesting with the idea of tournaments and such and instead of battling type specific gym leaders you could have gone through a bunch of different tournaments to qualify for the championship. It would have given players more attatchment to characters like marnie and bede who don't really get much time to shine in galar and made for a more unique experience to make the latest games shine a bit more.
@@devastatheseeker9967 yea I know the original red,blue and yellow came out before the anime but it's still the same concept red and blue are basically ash and gary , you battle the same gym leaders from the show and in yellow pikachu follows you around like Ash pikachu in the anime , Now I haven't been keeping up with pokemon in years I have only seen clips here and there but I am pretty sure they still do gym battles in the anime so again why change something that ain't broke? I prefer gym battles over the trails they have in sun and moon the only thing about pokemon games that should change is once you get to the elite 4 they make you face off against a bunch of in game high level trainers that are also qualified to compete in the elite 4 pokemon league challenge and also add more regions to explore in the postgame like they did in soulsilver and also have returning trainers from past games like red,blue, gold and silver, mixed in with the postgame you got from black/white version 2
@@Marvel_vs_Capcom84 you should change it because it's stale as fuck. Yellow was released after the anime, the whole point of yellow was to capitalise on the success of the anime hence why you get pikachu and officer jenny is a character. Like I said, you don't need to change the general structure of gyms but you can change how they work and make them more complex. If you check out lockstin's stuff about is fanmade region his gym leaders all have themed teams instead of type based ones. Hell Raihan is the only gym leader with a themed team and he is way more interesting. Every major battle besides Raihan, leon and hop are all single type focused which means no real in depth strategy. "If it aint broke don't fix it" is redundant. It isn't that it's broke. It's incredibly stale
I can't get over the changes to Lille's story in USUM. I got really invested in her story in the originals, and the way it ended almost had me in tears. None of that was there in USUM and it really disappointed me.
I never reply my Pokémon games unless I can trade my main team to another game but I don’t know if I’d ever be able to play moon again.lillie’s story really hit me and since it was my first ever Pokémon game I can’t just go through that again.I played the sun games like 2 or 1 years ago,I would probably reset them
Hey! It's my first time playing S/M/US/UM, which one should I play first? Are US/UM upgraded versions of the same game or are they sequels, like Black 2 and White 2?
USUM turned Hau from a nice guy who sucks to a nice guy who sucks but also recognizes his failures which is an improvement cuz in SM all he said when he loses is “man that sure was fun” but in the ultra games he actually acknowledges it
I honestly love Both Moon and Ultra Sun, and while yeah the Ultra versions do not differ too much from the main game until later on in the game I was honestly suprised with the changes to some trials Also my Primape made U Necrozma HIS BITCH
Punishment.... I Never did like Primeape. . . I was able to beat it by using my Magnezone and boosting up all my stats with the roto stat enhancer thing(roto boost I think its called). . . even after just ONE of those that thing STILL hit pretty dang hard... so I kept heal stalling so as to get another chance to use another... got taken out by a fricking crit eventually(yea.. cuz even the LORD knew it Needed it... lol). . . . so I then had to play a BeAuTiFuL game of revive the Magnezone(giving it mouth to mouth... cpr, slapping it senseless the works.. was saying:GET UP DAMN IT! YOU'RE MY ONLY HOPE!)while allowing that there Necrozma over there to brutally molest what remained of my team in the process. . . . . . . . . . . . Eventually... I was able to get the Magnezone back out there and with enough boosts(like about three I think, AFTER heal stalling enough to get all the chances to boost up what I needed)to take it out with flash cannon. I THINK it was a two shot... cant really remember too well how this match went.. this happened years ago. . But about You... with Primapes high attack and with punishment at Your disposal I can see how a one shot was in fact possible... though, am actually very perplexed as for HOW You were able to out speed the thing... it gets a plus one on ALL stats(I think.. especially in speed)and Necrozma ALREADY out speeds Primape at an equal footing... Primapes also Not very durable. . . so it hit You with a power gem and You lived on a slither(cuz that's about the ONLY attack it has that Primape resists)THEN You were able to take it out?(I also cant remember if Necrozma had any status moves it could have used in turn one)or were You just at a SUPER high level? Edit: ....Quick Claw luck is another possibility that just occurred to me.... IF it was holding it. . .
@@TheDeepThinker-sq3iy I really didnt outsped it... I had (BY A HUGE CHANCE) equipped Primape with Focus Band hoping to hit it hard enough... what i wasnt expecting was Band activating *AND PHOTON GEYSER CRITTING* So my primeape with anger point took that personally and fucking Saitama'd the poor bastard
People talk about how hard that fight was, and it would've been, if I didn't always overlevel my starter. My incineroar was able to go toe to toe with necrozma.
Geass was a great anime, the pitch threw me off but I watched it enough to recognize it. Even cosplayed Zero a few times but I want to move to other things so I kinda shelved that costume. :P
i think what saves sm and usum over something like x and y for me is the story (specifically the dialogue) and the difficulty, which makes the game a lot more engaging to me
@RainHuffle rob Yeah, as much as I enjoyed beating Team Flare, they didn’t feel very fleshed out, and if you’re going to give me a generic “I want power” group, they can just give me Team Rocket again. No need to invent a new team that has the same plot. As opposed to at least seeing some differences between Magma and Aqua and their environmental goals, Galactic trying to destroy the world rather than control it, Plasma having at least an interesting facade and playing politics to get power (but having N as a nice wild card), Flare felt... too safe. Too boring. Didn’t really care when I beat them. I was actually surprised and got a little more invested for Skull when I had to finish the fight against Guzma. Team Yell isn’t real and nothing you can say will convince me otherwise.
This game made me realise how bad SwSh was. I mean, I enjoyed playing SwSh but the story was kinda shit but UsUm had a great story and great animated cutscenes. Barely any of the SwSh cutscenes look good when compared to UsUm.
I thought UsUm cutscenes were pretty mediocre. It was the only game in the franchise that I couldn’t wait to finish cause I had the least amount of fun playing it, where with Sword and Shield it was the most fun I’ve had in a new game in a while
@RainHuffle rob I think what kills me about Sword and Shield is how much they block you from having a normal adventure. Explosions causing Earthquakes? Nothing to see here, just finish your gym battles. Finishing your gym battles? WHOOPS, WE NEEDED A BAD GUY, UHHHHH. I still don’t feel like SuMo had very good cutscenes (the non-Ultra versions just freaking bogged you down and stopped you every time you made it to a new area and that really irked me) but yeah, SwSh just felt empty on that front. At least the DLC added two new Wild Areas, and really, the entire game should have been just Wild Areas in that style instead of the tiny routes with a hanful of trainers that you blink and miss it.
@@PaPaSea Your First playthrough of SwSh is pretty Cool(Beside The Story) Until you decide to play it again. O.M.G You still can’t skip cutscenes, and the TUTORIAL IS SO LONG AND BORING. You would have to wait years just to be able to have the motivation to replay this again. The post game of SwSh was kind of shit too, the game looks Great, and the music was good, but everything else was very lacking. Especially the beginning of the game. I can’t even replay the game anymore because of how boring the tutorial is. Out of all of the 3D Pokémon games, Ultra Sun and Moon is my favorite. Mainly because of a better Tutorial 😄
@@PaPaSea That's a very interesting opinion and of the complete opposite of my own LOL. For me I just feel like the characters in sun and moon were developed a lot better while in sword and shield the plot wasn't really deep and didn't make much sense.
I had to use strategies I never use in Pokemon for Ultra Necrozma, it was definitely good for getting me away from just brute forcing the entire game, I tried and came up short each time with my "hit it until you can't anymore then the next guy hits it" and I had to use the Altaria I caught and Perish Song and stall, my Dunsparce had to use endure and I got the perish sing death with 1 hp and only Dunsparce left. While it's hard to change habits that reminds me there's more than just brute forcing it.
@@SomeGuy-us5bs that works too but since I usually try to brute force it I didn't have that either. I probably could have used Toxic on my Gengar and I can't really be sure I didn't try that also but perish song was more or less a sure thing. I didn't know if toxic would finish it in time
Was kind of expecting you to talk about how they did a rewrite in some points, but still left others untouched. They kept the part where Lusamine froze her previous team so they would be beautiful forever and later they just ignore that and pretty much acted like she never did anything wrong.
I really wish people didn't hate Gen 7 so much. I absolutely loved both Sun/Moon and Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon. For me, the Ultra versions fixed a lot of what I wanted from the originals. Being able to use Totem Pokemon was my favorite change to the Ultra games. I had wanted that so badly from the first game and I was glad they removed the Zygarde hide and seek thing as it really didnt feel like that belonged in Alola.
Fun fact: I don't like to count my ultra wormhole shinies as actual shinies since the odds are increased so much to the point where they're kinda common
I beat Moon, and less than a week later Ultra Sun and Moon released. I picked them up on release, and it honestly had a ton of improvements over Sun and Moon, but the story took a total drop into the toilet in USUM over SM. The story in USUM feels quite shitty to me compared to the originals. The best gen 7 game would be all the updates of USUM with the story of SM.
The one thing I wish with USUM is that they went full hog with the parallel world aspect introduced through the Ultra Wormholes by doing stuff like personality changes in the characters, different trial captains, expanding the Ultra Beasts’ worlds to more than just one long path, & references to the universe from Sun & Moon. It could’ve basically been Pokémon’s equivalent to Spiderverse or Edolas from Fairy Tail
So people complain that the cutscenes/ animations in ultra sun and ultra moon are too long but complain that the cutscenes/ animations are too short? Jeez pokemon fans make up your mind
However. USUM has the biggest Pokémon roster of all time. _When _*_"gotta catch 'em all"_*_ meant something._ Trials still have their level of difficulty. The ability to use megas and Z-Moves is the best approach to gimmicks so far. It had way more stuff to do than let's say SwSh or even SV. You had like 10 different worlds to visit (6/7 on each game) 4 islands with their unique places. You can travel arround the region and you still have special places to visit after you get the new Rideable Pokémon. The Festival Plaza has it's own features like Battle Agency. You have the Champion Title Challengers. The Battle Tree. The Pokémon Snap that isn't snap. The Photo mode. The Mantine Surfing. Etc etc. Even Mohn's island thing has more personality than _"Dynamax Raids that aren't Dynamax but we pretend it's epic because OMG TOBY FOX SONG"_
the gen 7 games are literally one of the main reasons im getting a 2ds (I’m getting a 2ds since my 3ds broke and I have a bunch of pokemon games I can’t currently play btw)
Gen 7 is one of my favorite Pokémon games. The battles, mantine surfing, the people (mostly waifus) and the trials which in my opinion the most difficult of them by far. And if I'm to be honest Gen 7 is way more better than Gen 8. A better story, a better evil team and a lot more challenging than S&S.
I made the mistake of playing Moon and Ultra Moon back to back 🤦🏽♀️ I was so excited about being able to buy the both of them together after saving up money for a year. If I let a year or two pass between them I’m sure I would have appreciated it a lot more. I did think the subtle differences that let you know that you were in an alternate dimension were pretty cool. Better than just playing the same game with different mechanics I guess.
Personally, I love the Sun/Moon story more than the USUM story because it is the only main game that hasn't followed the standard set by gen 3 with the story blossoming into stopping some world ending event involving the boxart legendaries (I know there was the wormholes and ultra beasts attacking but that sit was handled by the island guardians and kahunas). Instead we have a story that is mainly focused on character growth with Lillie and Gladion learning to find their own strength instead of isolating themselves or running from their own fears. The characters of Sun and Moon feel human (minus our character who always has that blank, dead inside smile plastered to their face). However, I do love the additions of USUM and wish some of those had made it into Sun and Moon instead of being in separate games. The Necrozma portion of the story would have been good postgame content with the UR Squad handling the quests for the capture of UBs. The extra Z-Crystals for Lycanroc, Mimikyu, etc. and last but not least, Mantine Surfing.
I wasn't really a fan of Gen 7. I played them and had some fun along the way, but they didn't quite capture what Pokemon was for me with all of the Ultra Beasts and Z moves. However, I can totally see why someone would love these and I hold no grudges against anyone for it!
Its the opposite for me. I a m having pokemon fatigue and cant even finished oras even tho emerald is my favorite pokemon game. Gen 7 is the most original pokemon game since the original and it makes me appreciate it. Its also challenging.
So, it does depend on luck but I used my Salamence that was about level 58 with Max friendship, I used devastating Drake, Ultra Necrozma would've one-shotted me, but my Salamence survived at 1 health because I maxed our friendship, so when the Devastating Drake hit, it ended up one-shotting it
I feel that we could have had a pretty good Pokemon game if they combined the good from SM and USUM, instead of what we got We could have had the same Lusamine from SM, the U.R.S./Necrozma story from USUM, Ultra beasts and past legendaries in Ultra space, and USUM's difficult totem pokemon
i love every thing about the ultra games! the story, the totem pokemon are great and i love the change from the gyms, ampharos was native, all the regional variants are great, and i love the post game! easily my favorite pokemon game. (HGSS are close 2nds)
Ironically enough, ultra sun is my fav pokemon game! I like the visuals and the region is pretty cool, and I like how they separate it into different islands. Music Also team skull is best evil team, seriously, these guys are HILARIOUS I have more but I just wanted to say how ironic this is
Lusamine in no WAY SHAPE or FORM is anything we could consider "altruistic". She's an egotistical villain with an egotistical plan made out of a twisted concept of care and love. She used to be a good person, but events in her life turned her into a cold blooded psychopath with no empathy. She lost her husband, she was infected by Nihilego's poison turning her into a shell of her former self. Just a husk with her worst attitudes and traits but exaggerated to the 100%. She lost her morals with the twisted obsession, changing from looking for her lost husband to her new found fascination with those otherworldly creatures. Because that's what they both did before the incident.
Pokémon Ultra Sun are games I grew up on besides XY(which I couldn't get past the Furfrou puzzle)and Moon(this time I couldn't get past the Lusamine fight) but I spent the most time on it .I even got a shiny Mewtwo after 4 resets !I never had the chance to play older game past XY.I thoroughly enjoyed it ,and still would have been my favourite game even if I played the other games .I liked the characters and story and the gameplay was good .I liked hunting for legendaries ,the hard fights and the strategies I came up with(A strategy called luck) and was my best Pokémon experience !Thank you for reading my rambling.
I really loved Ultra Sun and Moon (I preferred it more than the base games tbh, not saying the base games were bad since I think the 7th generation is my tied second favorite generation next to 5th generation that being Black and White and their sequels) and I can understand why you didn’t like it. But I think the main thing why I loved this game so much and making my second favorite generation is how the ultra recon squad helped you through out the story and Zossie is definitely my favorite recon squad member since she is adorable and reminds me of Mazzy from The Loud House (cause the design of her looked similar as Mazzy and the personality are similar) which is cool! I also loved the Rainbow Rocket! That was the coolest thing and I hope they do something similar again in a future game! But I guess we will have to wait and see!
Prob gonna get a lot of hate for this but out of all the pokemon games I’ve played, only excluding a few vintage games, this is the best, I fell in love with all characters, the plot was very intense and immersive, and the region itself always made me happy when I played it
I never finished my Moon game, but I've played through Ultra Sun more than once. the Ultra games didn't fix design aspects I had issues with, but it felt much more complete than the original Sun and Moon games. I always recommend the Ultra games if people haven't played through that Gen yet
At launch I knocked Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon a bit because they're just what should have released originally so it made the handholding feel overwhelming right after the first game. My biggest complaint is the Rotom Dex calling me "Master" and not being able to make it stop! It made me feel so uncomfortable lmao. And my boy Yungoos did NOT deserve the social media smear campaign he got! He was just an angry little man and I loved him until everyone made him out to be a caricature of the American president!
I remember seeing all the pokemon and video game RUclipsrs talking about how different the "Ultra" games are from the base Sun and Moon. They said that they were completely different games, and shouldn't even be compared because they were so different. I was so pissed when I started playing the game and it was practically the exact same thing
I honestly feel like Ultra is where I kind of lost faith in the Pokemon brand. Splitting what is basically a third version into two games, with a worse story imo, an overall less focused setup and a lazy, nostalgia-pandering "catch all the legendaries!" postgame (especially after RR, that was at least a unique dungeon and pretty tough at that) which did not justify full price at all. ESPECIALLY twice. It kills me to hear people act like SwSh were the first "lazy" Pokemon games when a lot of its core issues, in my honest opinion, started with the 3DS era and reached their worst level at Ultra.
Third version were present since pokemon yellow. Ultra being 2 version is not that different and big deal anymore since trading is easier than ever. Of all the games in the series, gen 7 is the one you should not call lazy. It has an amazing production value and it pushes 3ds to its limits. Regardless of how you feel about the game, lazy is not the correct description to it.
@@showmeyourmoves8551 Pokemon Yellow was not two separate releases and third versions were always a scam. Ultra was just the worst iteration of it. And for all intents and purposes, the base Sun and Moon were the games that I actually liked from the past 3DS/Switch era, which is why I'm even more mad that Ultra exists, because it's a worse third version of those games that is arbitrarily split up into its own release, advertised like it was a more substantial package than it really was.
I like to imagine that during the post game where you are able to go to all of the ultra beast home worlds, when you visit the ultra deep sea, I like to imagine that you are getting there right after the sun and moon plot there just ended. It becomes a more interesting game for me if I imagine that the original one still happened just in a different universe
tbh I played ultra moon twice and I don't really remember anything from the story that sticked out to me (expect for my huge dislike for Hau I have developed). I mean I think gen 7 is far from being a bad generation but Idk I don't think it's a very memorable one either
That’s the thing. I hardly remember the trial captains. I remember almost all of the other gyms in Gens 1-5 (6 is a blur since I only ever played through it once and that was when it came out, what, 6-8 years ago?) Trial Captains? Meh. Story beats? Something about Ultra Beasts because “Perfection”. I remember liking Guzma and forgetting everything about him immediately after I beat him.
It will always be memorable jist for the fact that it is the most original game since the original red and blue. Also, swsh jusy makes me appreciate gen 7 more.
My favourite gens are 7, 8 and 5, i was a fan of pokemon since gen 5, but my first game was 7 and i think gen 8 has the best graphics/art style and quality of life and i like many of the pokemon too, i think most people will always prefer their first game no matter what. Like how i really don't like johto, sinnoh and kalos
I think Team Rainbow Rocket should have been part of the main story and sprinkled throughout the region. It was a stupid to just have them ALL in the same place in the Aether Foundation. Also, it may have given us more of a opportunity to hear what took place in those timelines as you came across them throughout the game.
Honestly, I really like ultra sum and ultra moon, they are my second favorites on the 3ds behind oras. And they are my fourth favorite entries on the main series. I got ultra moon on the very end of 2019, pretty much after the 3ds era, but I really liked it, that was my welcoming ticket to the 3d pokemon games and I don't regret it
This is really odd, I feel almost the complete opposite way towards these games. Also, with absolutely 0 offence and 100% honesty since you are one of my favourite pokemon RUclipsr and looove your videos, including this one, but many of the things you said sounded like you haven't played the games since launch and are basing many of the things you say on assumptions that aren't accurate. I was about to write a lot more but I realized a. No one will read this and b. It doesn't matter either way Even with that I still respect your opinion and I hope y'all respect mine
My main annoyance with the ultra games was the stupid long tutorial, cutscene length, and difficulty spikes, but specifically difficulty spikes, because it wasn't even really consistent, sometimes i would be breezing through the game one or two shotting everything, then out of nowhere my team gets swept by a random cradily or something
Honestly as much hate as these games get i feel that they may as well hate platinum and emerald because they literally do the same thing. Sure it's in one game but still
People mostly criticize today's pokemon games cause back in the day there wasn't really a way of updating a handheld game. But since the 3DS, not only can games receive all manner of updates but also make use of DLCs. For example, og japanese versions of the old games have bugs and glitches not present in the international versions, because all the other versions were made afterwards and are therefore patched. There wasn't any other way of doing this without making new cartridges with different versions of the roms. But I do understand what you mean. Personally, after I played through Ruby, Emerald and Pearl, as a kid, seeing them release Platinum made me actually very annoyed. Which is the reason I ended up not buying it and HGSS. I only came back to the series during my highschool years, some time before XY after playing through Black2.
I got extremely lucky during the fight against ultra necrozma because my incineroar avoided every move and landed only did critical hits thanks to his affection.
The only problem I have with USUM is how they altered Lusamine's story with the Aether Foundation and Nihilego. To have the Ultra People and Necrozma. Necrozma was cool the battle was way more difficult back then... But Lusamine is pointless. They kept her "psycho maternal instinct" but they don't do anything with that.
I actually enjoyed playing through my copy of Ultra Moon, mainly because I never played the original Moon (which I am a bit thankful for). I got really invested in it more than SwSh, with my interest pointing towards the Ultra beasts like Nihilego and Necrozma. SwSh however, bored me to DEATH. I got extremely bored of it that I only beat 2 gyms before never touching those abominations of games ever again. Ultra Moon's story was good enough to make me love it with Necrozma being the main focus instead of Nihilego, but I definitely don't see myself replaying the garbage that is sword and shield in the future
I think the only reason these games are good is because Goomy is in it, which means Goodra (the best pokemon) is obtainable, so you can easily play with a team full of Goodra's
The ultra games ruined Lily's story in my opinion. Like the only good thing that came from the ultra games was Lily having a Clefairy in post-game becoming a trainer I kind of wish that that was carried over in the original games otherwise they are narratively inferior.
How to beat ultra nectozema (or at least how I did it) weaken him with 4 decent pokemon, then throw out banette and spam thunder (which, yes, it can learn. Its ghost typing will help somewhat too) then throw out a crobat to spam revives with because your Banette WILL die.
I don't quite remember everything I thought about the differences after I played both Sun and Ultra Moon, but I do remember I didn't like how Lusamine's story was different. It felt a bit watered down and although she was insane, there was a reason for it and she was my favorite character in Sun. I do appreciate the better post-game in Ultra. Other than that I don't remember much tbh.
I think gamefreak was right about the 3rd version DLC replacement for SwSh. If ultra sun and moon was a quick DLC, focusing less on story content and instead focused on post game content, it would’ve been more fun and lest costly
While that argument made sense a few years ago, now with what’s happened with Fire Emblem Fates, and the eShop closure, I think people are likely more accepting of USUM.
@@britishguy54dx I agree, but at the same time I think Pokemon mightve done the same thing they did with the Crown Tundra and Isle of armor and rerelase Sun and Moon with the DLC preinstalled.
Btw rainbow rocket is the version of the villans where you (the player or protagonist) either didn't exist or ended up failing/maybe dying Sadly ghetsis is black/white ghetsis specifically so he doesn't have that awesome black cloak
I didn’t say that. I literally said multiple times in the video that UsUm was better than Sun and Moon and that gen 7 as a whole was still my least favorite.
@@PaPaSea Ah, I see, the description said otherwise, and I had thought that you were referring to USUM in the video when you said least favorite, that's my bad.
The description is worded like that because I used to think they were the worst, like I said in the video, until I gave it another chance and played it fully.
I think this game would be better received if they hadn’t been released inmediately after Sun and Moon. If it came after the sinnoh remakes at the least, it would probably be better received
I'm replaying ultra sun (or playing for the first time since I played ultra moon a few times) and white 2. It is a fun game but it was the beginning of linear worlds and that's supposed to be a big part of the game. Have you done your thoughts on white & black 2? 😄
The best change the Ultra Games did for me is the faster time I'm able to get my starter. I didn't really use it as I've manage to get the hidden ability starter (sadly not the new Lycanroc up to this day) that much tho.
3:04 no hau is not the campion, he is the challenger to become the champion, and you are the champion bcs you beat the elite 4 first and the region didnt had a champion until you become one when you defeat him on the end of story mode appears a cutscene saying "You DEFEND your champion title"
USUM will seemingly be the last main series game with a complete dex. Let that sink in. I loved playing through Ultra Sun even though I do feel that it should've been how OG Sun was in the first place. I've had some good competitive runs there too. It'll be a sad day when I have to Bank my teams left there.
Something I noticed is Sun and Moon’s story has a much darker tone. Lusamine goes crazy and goes into a coma, Lillie leaves with her to get her healed and you don’t see her again, Maon is shown is poke pelago and it’s heavily implied he’s their father, and Gladion is left to clean up his moms mess. The Ultra games made the story more light hearted, and I feel that was a waste of what was actually a really good story
On my first playthrough of Ultra Moon I used a Toxic strategy on a Sylveon. Which was the last of three tries. (On Ultra Necrozma) I don't remember what I did for my second playthrough however...
For example. You have the scene with the Cryogenic Room where she keeps Pokémon like statues. In SM makes sense because it's stablished how she's pretty much a selfish b-tch who doesn't care for the happiness of herself... But in USUM she's somehow a sympathetic villain with an altruistic goal?
It's interesting seeing so many people actually liking this game LOL, I'm happy that not everyone is going around in the Echo chamber of the hate train for every new Pokemon game that's released. This has gone on ever since gen 3, there was a time where everyone hated Gen 5 but now people praise it as one of the best in the series. I imagine when the dust settles around the hate train of the 3D games and gen 9 becomes a thing people will look back at gen 7 fondly
While I wasn’t blown away by Sun and Moon, but the set up could have an awesome follow through, and just feels empty unfortunately. I really wish that Ultra versions did a little more with the “alternate universes” things, and let us potentially experience the alternate universes a little more, like we did with Annabelle in ORAS.
I do also wish PMC would let mechanics stick! Mega Evos were introduced and then taken away, Z moves were introduced and then taken away, and now we’re into Dynamaxing, which will probably go away. I’d really prefer Mega Evos to come back if we get a DPPT remake soon.
Sun/Moon was a great game. One of the best stories in any mainline Pokemon game, a beautiful region to explore, and despite people complaining about how easy modern Pokemon games are, was surprisingly more difficult than many other games. However, when the Ultra games came along, they ruined one of my favorite things about Sun/Moon: the story. Lillie and Lusamine's plotline is completely ruined, and Necrozma's story is not nearly as interesting. While everything else pretty much remained the same, I just couldn't get over the change to the story, and that really just ruined the game for me.
I REALLY wish Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon had been actual sequels... Not being sequels ruins Lusamine's character and doesn't hold her accountable for the abuse she subjected her children to in this version of events. She's just kinda... forgiven? The broken family arc is absolutely ruined. As sequels, we could have seen what happens a few years later as a new trainer comes to meet Lillie and Lusamine as they return to Alola and repair their relationship and they come to terms with the abusive period. Now with a few years under her belt as her own person, Lillie could serve as a guide rather than an escort mission, and through the story Nebby could return and protect Lillie. The Ultra games being sequels could have given so much room for development of necrozma as the legendary boss. The base trainer from Sun and Moon for whichever character selection you pick in USUM could be the champion and could have the starter strong against yours. Alternatively they could appear as their own developed character so as to not do the odd thing B2W2 did in its complete exclusion of Hilbert/Hilda, and a character like Hau or Gladion or someone else you met in your journey through Sun and Moon could be given a similar jump to the one Iris was given. One of the SM Captains could rise to the top and make way for a new captain, like a steel, psychic, bug, poison, etc captain. So much could have been done better but they didn't do it. I still enjoy the hell out of what we get but I have plenty of wishes that weren't what we got.
I've played Pokemon since gen three and so I'd like to think I know what makes a good experience. Pokemon sun/moon and ultra sun/moon are odd for sure like the vid says. There not normal enhanced versions, and there not sequels ether. There sorta in the middle. Sorta a 1.5 version if you would. That's my take on them at least. And while the story wasn't bad, I mean look at gen 1 and 2 the main story in those games was nigh non existent depending on how you look at it. But the big flaw with the games is just the gameplay experience the games to me feel like a chore to play. It felt like I had to do a cut scean every few minutes and the trainer battles where not challenging enough. In gen 5 one of my favorite gens by late game I was facing teams of four five and six pokemon. But gen 7 I'm seeing at most three on trainers. It's pitiful so while not bad games I don't think I'll pick them up again if I do for quite a while.
I see USUM as a big reference to Emerald, Platinum and B2W2. Emerald is THE third version experience, but most of the main story doesn't really change except for a few moments. It's the post game where it really shines, like USUM'S Rainbow Rocket. Platinum is more concerned about Giratina, and you visit the Distortion World, like Ultra Necrozma and Ultra Megaopolis. B2W2 are sequels, yes, but that's not what's being referenced. It's their Dual Nature, which is why they couldn't make a Grey. SuMo had a gimmick that couldn't be put in one version, and the Box Art was fused Pokemon, just like B2W2. At least, that's my opinion
I think I mostly agree, but I do like Gen 1 and 2 for being that fairly open set up: You want to be a Pokemon master, and your Pokemon Professor wants you to complete the Pokedex. On those two things alone, you go and explore the world for the first time and try to make your way across the country to complete your goals. Along the way, you keep bumping into Team Rocket, who are up to no good, so you practice being a good samaritan and stop them. Even Lance is involved in Gen 2, which is a nice call back for Gen 1 fans. Then you finally become a gym leader and beat the rival who’s been a jerk to you the entire time, to achieve your dream of being a Pokemon champion. Definitely a fan of the “less is more” here like people were for BotW being more about exploring vs needing the guided-tour with a lot of cutscenes that some of the newer Zelda games got.
To me UsUm are the best Pokémon mainline games of the last 5 years. They are what SuMo should've been from the beginning in terms of mechanics and overall content. So you can actually skip or ignore SuMo at this point. Since I'm not a fan of Pokémon GO & LGPE and also SwSh was just a big disaster in my opinion, where the Crown Tundra was the savior, I'll always prefer to play UsUm on my 3DS than any Pokémon game on the switch so far. Plus, everytime I restart the Alola-games, it always feels like a vacation to me. And for the difficulty of the games, I'll play Nuzlockes or create some own rules. 😁
I have played Ultra Moon, and I liked it a lot. It's a shame that you don't feel the same way, but I can understand why.
For someone who has been playing Pokemon games since Gen 1, Team Rainbow Rocket and Episode RR is very enjoyable and nostalgic, which makes it a great piece of post-game content in my opinion. Mantine Surf is a ton of fun too, which makes earning BP for items and the move tutors enjoyable instead of ridiculously grindy like it was in past games. The soundtrack is fantastic, and I think that Ultra Necrozma's battle theme is one of the best songs in the entire franchise. I also appreciate the higher level of difficulty overall when compared to the other games in the core series.
Gamificast the thing I dislike the most is the lack of the PSS. :/ I just wish this useful thing came back. 😭
I like ultra sun better
@@Luis-tr1yj same so I wouldn't have to ever think about going back to Alpha Sapphire
U summed up all the things I liked about the game . The totem battles were sooo good. The double battle combinations r so unique and really make the battle so interesting
@@tejas124 I'm glad you liked Totem battles. They might not have been perfect, but at the very least they were a nice change of pace from type-themed Gym Battles. Pokemon needs more unique boss fights like Ultra Necrozma, that require actual strategy to beat (like other RPG's such as Final Fantasy have). Spamming a Water-type move against a Rock-type Gym isn't interesting or fun in the slightest.
I played moon and ultra moon. Moon was amazing imo and ultra moon was a superior improvement in every way adding every mega stone, larger post game, more legendaries, etc.
I remember jumping into Ultra Moon right after Moon, like I beat Moon and bought Ultra Moon on release less than a week layer. An amazing improvement in every way except story, which I feel they fucked up in Ultra Moon
Yeah same.
The only thing I found inferior to SM was the plot of the main game, but eh, opinions are opinions, and SM are my personal preferences.
@@calum0038 YUP! I felt the same way... the Lusamine arc was handled very, very poorly in us um... sm story WAS in fact better executed, HOWEVER! us um DID add some new REALLY COOL plot elements that I just LOVED! the ultra recon squad was pretty cool but the BEST twist(at least for me)was the whole rainbow rocket take over thing AND that there were villains from past games that also joined the fray... from an ALTERNATE dimension..... AND a dimension where they actually succeeded in catching their respective legendary because either the main hero's in those alternate dimensions either didn't exist(they weren't born)or... they just failed to beat their villain and they won. . . . and THAT.... was TH"E" most single handedly bad ass, hardcore plot twist to end all possible plot twists(for a Pokemon game that is..).... AND it was handled VERY well too! .....just maybe. . . THAT was why they probably did such a slapped ass job with the Lusamine plot twist on this one... because. . . . . it wanted to sell You THAT ending instead....
Ultra versions are cool
I'm so happy people are looking back on Gen 7 more fondly. I thought the games were amazing.
It is amazing. Its an underrated gen and I would say it is tied with gen 5 (only black and white 2) and all gen 3 games for the best pokemon games. Not a fan of gen 4 slow pace tbh and gen 6 is just too easy. Gen 8 is the worst.
@@showmeyourmoves8551 gen 7 and gen 5 are like the only generations where pokemon tried to have good plot in their games
B2W2 and USUM just feel complete. So many minor details that really immerse you into the game and region, which has lacked in the switch games. SV kinda suck tbh, forgetful characters, and the story is too lengthy and boring besides Arvens.
@@Nando6695 Arven is the only reason why the SV story has meaning, the game is completely ass and I stopped playing it and went back to USUM recently and play that now
@@Nando6695 USUM doesn't feel complete lmao
Honestly I think ultra sun and moon are the best new games in the series. People are way too attatched to the whole gym thing and that's part of the reason that sword and shield are so bad. It's low effort. Sun and moon was game freak trying something different and it worked in my eyes. I just want to see pokemon done in a good way.
What's so bad about the gym battles? That's how it is in the anime and the games are pretty much based on the anime just like red and blue are the counter parts of Ash and Gary , why change something that ain't broke? And has made you millions of dollars over the last 20 plus years?
@@Marvel_vs_Capcom84 okay, 1. games came first anime was an afterthought. And 2. it's so unbelivably stale. If you want to talk about the anime then there is so much more stuff aeound and between the gym battles and so much more stuff in the battles themselves. They have actual rules in the anime unlike the games. They can still do gym battles but they haven't changed since gen 1. They could have made the galar league so much more interesting with the idea of tournaments and such and instead of battling type specific gym leaders you could have gone through a bunch of different tournaments to qualify for the championship. It would have given players more attatchment to characters like marnie and bede who don't really get much time to shine in galar and made for a more unique experience to make the latest games shine a bit more.
@@devastatheseeker9967 yea I know the original red,blue and yellow came out before the anime but it's still the same concept red and blue are basically ash and gary , you battle the same gym leaders from the show and in yellow pikachu follows you around like Ash pikachu in the anime , Now I haven't been keeping up with pokemon in years I have only seen clips here and there but I am pretty sure they still do gym battles in the anime so again why change something that ain't broke? I prefer gym battles over the trails they have in sun and moon the only thing about pokemon games that should change is once you get to the elite 4 they make you face off against a bunch of in game high level trainers that are also qualified to compete in the elite 4 pokemon league challenge and also add more regions to explore in the postgame like they did in soulsilver and also have returning trainers from past games like red,blue, gold and silver, mixed in with the postgame you got from black/white version 2
@@Marvel_vs_Capcom84 you should change it because it's stale as fuck. Yellow was released after the anime, the whole point of yellow was to capitalise on the success of the anime hence why you get pikachu and officer jenny is a character. Like I said, you don't need to change the general structure of gyms but you can change how they work and make them more complex. If you check out lockstin's stuff about is fanmade region his gym leaders all have themed teams instead of type based ones. Hell Raihan is the only gym leader with a themed team and he is way more interesting. Every major battle besides Raihan, leon and hop are all single type focused which means no real in depth strategy. "If it aint broke don't fix it" is redundant. It isn't that it's broke. It's incredibly stale
@@Marvel_vs_Capcom84 gyms aren't bad, they're just dull. Its an overused concept.
I can't get over the changes to Lille's story in USUM. I got really invested in her story in the originals, and the way it ended almost had me in tears. None of that was there in USUM and it really disappointed me.
I'm happy she didn't leave but they kind of ruined Lusamine for me
I agree on that. Not gonna lie, Lillie's leaving is what keeps me from playing Moon again to these days, I feel dumb for this though.
exactly!
I never reply my Pokémon games unless I can trade my main team to another game but I don’t know if I’d ever be able to play moon again.lillie’s story really hit me and since it was my first ever Pokémon game I can’t just go through that again.I played the sun games like 2 or 1 years ago,I would probably reset them
Hey! It's my first time playing S/M/US/UM, which one should I play first? Are US/UM upgraded versions of the same game or are they sequels, like Black 2 and White 2?
USUM turned Hau from a nice guy who sucks to a nice guy who sucks but also recognizes his failures which is an improvement cuz in SM all he said when he loses is “man that sure was fun” but in the ultra games he actually acknowledges it
I honestly love Both Moon and Ultra Sun, and while yeah the Ultra versions do not differ too much from the main game until later on in the game I was honestly suprised with the changes to some trials
Also my Primape made U Necrozma HIS BITCH
Yeah Boi >:D
Punishment.... I Never did like Primeape. . . I was able to beat it by using my Magnezone and boosting up all my stats with the roto stat enhancer thing(roto boost I think its called). . . even after just ONE of those that thing STILL hit pretty dang hard... so I kept heal stalling so as to get another chance to use another... got taken out by a fricking crit eventually(yea.. cuz even the LORD knew it Needed it... lol). . . . so I then had to play a BeAuTiFuL game of revive the Magnezone(giving it mouth to mouth... cpr, slapping it senseless the works.. was saying:GET UP DAMN IT! YOU'RE MY ONLY HOPE!)while allowing that there Necrozma over there to brutally molest what remained of my team in the process. . . . . . . . . . . .
Eventually... I was able to get the Magnezone back out there and with enough boosts(like about three I think, AFTER heal stalling enough to get all the chances to boost up what I needed)to take it out with flash cannon. I THINK it was a two shot... cant really remember too well how this match went.. this happened years ago. .
But about You... with Primapes high attack and with punishment at Your disposal I can see how a one shot was in fact possible... though, am actually very perplexed as for HOW You were able to out speed the thing... it gets a plus one on ALL stats(I think.. especially in speed)and Necrozma ALREADY out speeds Primape at an equal footing... Primapes also Not very durable. . . so it hit You with a power gem and You lived on a slither(cuz that's about the ONLY attack it has that Primape resists)THEN You were able to take it out?(I also cant remember if Necrozma had any status moves it could have used in turn one)or were You just at a SUPER high level?
Edit: ....Quick Claw luck is another possibility that just occurred to me.... IF it was holding it. . .
@@TheDeepThinker-sq3iy I really didnt outsped it... I had (BY A HUGE CHANCE) equipped Primape with Focus Band hoping to hit it hard enough... what i wasnt expecting was Band activating *AND PHOTON GEYSER CRITTING*
So my primeape with anger point took that personally and fucking Saitama'd the poor bastard
People talk about how hard that fight was, and it would've been, if I didn't always overlevel my starter. My incineroar was able to go toe to toe with necrozma.
My Incineroar z move ohkoed ultra necrozma, it was harder to catch it in victory road without using Master ball
code geass... ah yes, a man of culture aswell
@matt D: SO RUDE
Geass was a great anime, the pitch threw me off but I watched it enough to recognize it. Even cosplayed Zero a few times but I want to move to other things so I kinda shelved that costume. :P
Still the best anime
One of the best anime
Facts
i think what saves sm and usum over something like x and y for me is the story (specifically the dialogue) and the difficulty, which makes the game a lot more engaging to me
True but x & y never got sequels or a 3rd version so it's kinda hard to compare
@RainHuffle rob Yeah, as much as I enjoyed beating Team Flare, they didn’t feel very fleshed out, and if you’re going to give me a generic “I want power” group, they can just give me Team Rocket again. No need to invent a new team that has the same plot. As opposed to at least seeing some differences between Magma and Aqua and their environmental goals, Galactic trying to destroy the world rather than control it, Plasma having at least an interesting facade and playing politics to get power (but having N as a nice wild card), Flare felt... too safe. Too boring. Didn’t really care when I beat them. I was actually surprised and got a little more invested for Skull when I had to finish the fight against Guzma.
Team Yell isn’t real and nothing you can say will convince me otherwise.
@@johnbuscher team yell? What's that?
@@germany9vs709 the map is also good. It felt more real than any other pokemon game.
This game made me realise how bad SwSh was. I mean, I enjoyed playing SwSh but the story was kinda shit but UsUm had a great story and great animated cutscenes. Barely any of the SwSh cutscenes look good when compared to UsUm.
I thought UsUm cutscenes were pretty mediocre. It was the only game in the franchise that I couldn’t wait to finish cause I had the least amount of fun playing it, where with Sword and Shield it was the most fun I’ve had in a new game in a while
@RainHuffle rob I think what kills me about Sword and Shield is how much they block you from having a normal adventure. Explosions causing Earthquakes? Nothing to see here, just finish your gym battles. Finishing your gym battles? WHOOPS, WE NEEDED A BAD GUY, UHHHHH. I still don’t feel like SuMo had very good cutscenes (the non-Ultra versions just freaking bogged you down and stopped you every time you made it to a new area and that really irked me) but yeah, SwSh just felt empty on that front. At least the DLC added two new Wild Areas, and really, the entire game should have been just Wild Areas in that style instead of the tiny routes with a hanful of trainers that you blink and miss it.
The darkest day storyline had me so bored like okay, let th champion take care of it then, let me focus on the gym challenge 🤦🏻♂️😂
@@PaPaSea Your First playthrough of SwSh is pretty Cool(Beside The Story) Until you decide to play it again.
O.M.G You still can’t skip cutscenes, and the TUTORIAL IS SO LONG AND BORING.
You would have to wait years just to be able to have the motivation to replay this again.
The post game of SwSh was kind of shit too, the game looks Great, and the music was good, but everything else was very lacking.
Especially the beginning of the game.
I can’t even replay the game anymore because of how boring the tutorial is.
Out of all of the 3D Pokémon games, Ultra Sun and Moon is my favorite. Mainly because of a better Tutorial 😄
@@PaPaSea That's a very interesting opinion and of the complete opposite of my own LOL. For me I just feel like the characters in sun and moon were developed a lot better while in sword and shield the plot wasn't really deep and didn't make much sense.
Probably one best Pokemon games I've played in a while
I had to use strategies I never use in Pokemon for Ultra Necrozma, it was definitely good for getting me away from just brute forcing the entire game, I tried and came up short each time with my "hit it until you can't anymore then the next guy hits it" and I had to use the Altaria I caught and Perish Song and stall, my Dunsparce had to use endure and I got the perish sing death with 1 hp and only Dunsparce left.
While it's hard to change habits that reminds me there's more than just brute forcing it.
A level 35 Mimikyu, toxic TM and 5 other random pokemon killed ultra necrozma just fine for me.
@@SomeGuy-us5bs that works too but since I usually try to brute force it I didn't have that either. I probably could have used Toxic on my Gengar and I can't really be sure I didn't try that also but perish song was more or less a sure thing. I didn't know if toxic would finish it in time
Was kind of expecting you to talk about how they did a rewrite in some points, but still left others untouched.
They kept the part where Lusamine froze her previous team so they would be beautiful forever and later they just ignore that and pretty much acted like she never did anything wrong.
I really wish people didn't hate Gen 7 so much. I absolutely loved both Sun/Moon and Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon. For me, the Ultra versions fixed a lot of what I wanted from the originals. Being able to use Totem Pokemon was my favorite change to the Ultra games. I had wanted that so badly from the first game and I was glad they removed the Zygarde hide and seek thing as it really didnt feel like that belonged in Alola.
Guys,do you remember when he reacted to his oras save file? Well.... his cobalion was name Kobe 😭😭😭😭
RIP kobe
Rip🙏🏽🖤
Fun fact: I don't like to count my ultra wormhole shinies as actual shinies since the odds are increased so much to the point where they're kinda common
Yea I can see where your coming from.the odds go up the higher you go...if your good at it that is
Yeah, and switching from motion controls to joystick makes it way too easy
same. i have never actually found a shiny outside of the wormhole. i kinda did in platinum with a shiny buneary but... a double battle killed it
@Skipper Our saviorand I asked
I beat Moon, and less than a week later Ultra Sun and Moon released. I picked them up on release, and it honestly had a ton of improvements over Sun and Moon, but the story took a total drop into the toilet in USUM over SM. The story in USUM feels quite shitty to me compared to the originals. The best gen 7 game would be all the updates of USUM with the story of SM.
The one thing I wish with USUM is that they went full hog with the parallel world aspect introduced through the Ultra Wormholes by doing stuff like personality changes in the characters, different trial captains, expanding the Ultra Beasts’ worlds to more than just one long path, & references to the universe from Sun & Moon. It could’ve basically been Pokémon’s equivalent to Spiderverse or Edolas from Fairy Tail
I actually liked these a lot, got 400 hours into ultra moon, and just bought ultra sun to play the story again.
So people complain that the cutscenes/ animations in ultra sun and ultra moon are too long but complain that the cutscenes/ animations are too short?
Jeez pokemon fans make up your mind
I think their point is, if you’re going to take control away from the player for so long, make it visually worth our while.
@@johnbuscher Oh well. It's not GF problem anymore so i say we just be happy with what we've been given.
However. USUM has the biggest Pokémon roster of all time.
_When _*_"gotta catch 'em all"_*_ meant something._
Trials still have their level of difficulty. The ability to use megas and Z-Moves is the best approach to gimmicks so far.
It had way more stuff to do than let's say SwSh or even SV.
You had like 10 different worlds to visit (6/7 on each game) 4 islands with their unique places. You can travel arround the region and you still have special places to visit after you get the new Rideable Pokémon.
The Festival Plaza has it's own features like Battle Agency.
You have the Champion Title Challengers. The Battle Tree.
The Pokémon Snap that isn't snap.
The Photo mode.
The Mantine Surfing.
Etc etc.
Even Mohn's island thing has more personality than _"Dynamax Raids that aren't Dynamax but we pretend it's epic because OMG TOBY FOX SONG"_
the gen 7 games are literally one of the main reasons im getting a 2ds (I’m getting a 2ds since my 3ds broke and I have a bunch of pokemon games I can’t currently play btw)
Gen 7 is one of my favorite Pokémon games. The battles, mantine surfing, the people (mostly waifus) and the trials which in my opinion the most difficult of them by far. And if I'm to be honest Gen 7 is way more better than Gen 8. A better story, a better evil team and a lot more challenging than S&S.
100% agreed. Plus, it's one of the Pokemon gens I've played the most, other being Gen 6 (I'm a Kalos baby).
Plus it's way better than gen 6
Kalos gang!!!!
@@freezeburn9875 heck yeah boi
My favorite Pokémon games are gen 4 and 5. I really do love gen 7 they just feel so fresh and open. Love all three so much
I made the mistake of playing Moon and Ultra Moon back to back 🤦🏽♀️ I was so excited about being able to buy the both of them together after saving up money for a year. If I let a year or two pass between them I’m sure I would have appreciated it a lot more. I did think the subtle differences that let you know that you were in an alternate dimension were pretty cool. Better than just playing the same game with different mechanics I guess.
Also, Hala (Member 1) got replaced with Molayne in the Elite Four
Personally, I love the Sun/Moon story more than the USUM story because it is the only main game that hasn't followed the standard set by gen 3 with the story blossoming into stopping some world ending event involving the boxart legendaries (I know there was the wormholes and ultra beasts attacking but that sit was handled by the island guardians and kahunas). Instead we have a story that is mainly focused on character growth with Lillie and Gladion learning to find their own strength instead of isolating themselves or running from their own fears. The characters of Sun and Moon feel human (minus our character who always has that blank, dead inside smile plastered to their face).
However, I do love the additions of USUM and wish some of those had made it into Sun and Moon instead of being in separate games. The Necrozma portion of the story would have been good postgame content with the UR Squad handling the quests for the capture of UBs. The extra Z-Crystals for Lycanroc, Mimikyu, etc. and last but not least, Mantine Surfing.
In retrospect and despite some minor issues, i think they are great games. Imagine how awesome their remakes could be lol
I wasn't really a fan of Gen 7. I played them and had some fun along the way, but they didn't quite capture what Pokemon was for me with all of the Ultra Beasts and Z moves. However, I can totally see why someone would love these and I hold no grudges against anyone for it!
Its the opposite for me. I a m having pokemon fatigue and cant even finished oras even tho emerald is my favorite pokemon game. Gen 7 is the most original pokemon game since the original and it makes me appreciate it. Its also challenging.
Me, who beat U.N first try with a 1HKO: What do you mean, Ultra Necrozma's battle is easy
Salt Crystal lol I gave my copy to my brother because I could't beat it ;u;
Wanna know how I did it?
Salt Crystal yes please, although I won't get to use it until my little brother finished his play through, which is at Olivia's trial currently
@@salty3648 Well? We're all waiting in anxious anticipation for the reveal!
So, it does depend on luck but I used my Salamence that was about level 58 with Max friendship, I used devastating Drake, Ultra Necrozma would've one-shotted me, but my Salamence survived at 1 health because I maxed our friendship, so when the Devastating Drake hit, it ended up one-shotting it
I feel that we could have had a pretty good Pokemon game if they combined the good from SM and USUM, instead of what we got
We could have had the same Lusamine from SM, the U.R.S./Necrozma story from USUM, Ultra beasts and past legendaries in Ultra space, and USUM's difficult totem pokemon
i love every thing about the ultra games! the story, the totem pokemon are great and i love the change from the gyms, ampharos was native, all the regional variants are great, and i love the post game! easily my favorite pokemon game. (HGSS are close 2nds)
the ultra games r some of the best imo
The selling point for me; Cyrus was in the game. That was it. That’s all I needed. Go on, call me a simp, because I know I am!
EEEEEEEEEEEE I JUST REALIZED I GET TO SEE CYRUS IN PLATINUM
@@ARCHIVED9610 You see him more than you do in Diamond and Pearl!
@@fishethefish7463 YAY!
Yeah I was pretty much expecting a, "So it's even worse then I first though!" or something like that.
Ironically enough, ultra sun is my fav pokemon game!
I like the visuals and the region is pretty cool, and I like how they separate it into different islands.
Music
Also team skull is best evil team, seriously, these guys are HILARIOUS
I have more but I just wanted to say how ironic this is
With the ultra necrosma fight, I had an imposter ditto on my team and I one shot it with it's own power lol.
I love those little anime intros :D
It was too loud compared to the video so skipped it :(
@@DiafolEternal How did you know it was too loud compared to the rest of the video before hearing the rest of the video?
Lusamine in no WAY SHAPE or FORM is anything we could consider "altruistic".
She's an egotistical villain with an egotistical plan made out of a twisted concept of care and love.
She used to be a good person, but events in her life turned her into a cold blooded psychopath with no empathy.
She lost her husband, she was infected by Nihilego's poison turning her into a shell of her former self. Just a husk with her worst attitudes and traits but exaggerated to the 100%.
She lost her morals with the twisted obsession, changing from looking for her lost husband to her new found fascination with those otherworldly creatures. Because that's what they both did before the incident.
I still love ultra sun and moon more the sun and moon the only thing I did not like was that I could not transfer ash greninja from the demo
I just transferred my ash Greninja from sun and moon to take on the league
Pokémon Ultra Sun are games I grew up on besides XY(which I couldn't get past the Furfrou puzzle)and Moon(this time I couldn't get past the Lusamine fight) but I spent the most time on it .I even got a shiny Mewtwo after 4 resets !I never had the chance to play older game past XY.I thoroughly enjoyed it ,and still would have been my favourite game even if I played the other games .I liked the characters and story and the gameplay was good .I liked hunting for legendaries ,the hard fights and the strategies I came up with(A strategy called luck) and was my best Pokémon experience !Thank you for reading my rambling.
I just started to play pokemon sun again and then I'm gonna play ultra sun and ultra moon.
By the way great video keep it up!!! 👍👍👍👍👍
3:46 my Primarina with the move Moonblast begs to differ lol
I really loved Ultra Sun and Moon (I preferred it more than the base games tbh, not saying the base games were bad since I think the 7th generation is my tied second favorite generation next to 5th generation that being Black and White and their sequels) and I can understand why you didn’t like it. But I think the main thing why I loved this game so much and making my second favorite generation is how the ultra recon squad helped you through out the story and Zossie is definitely my favorite recon squad member since she is adorable and reminds me of Mazzy from The Loud House (cause the design of her looked similar as Mazzy and the personality are similar) which is cool! I also loved the Rainbow Rocket! That was the coolest thing and I hope they do something similar again in a future game! But I guess we will have to wait and see!
Prob gonna get a lot of hate for this but out of all the pokemon games I’ve played, only excluding a few vintage games, this is the best, I fell in love with all characters, the plot was very intense and immersive, and the region itself always made me happy when I played it
I never finished my Moon game, but I've played through Ultra Sun more than once.
the Ultra games didn't fix design aspects I had issues with, but it felt much more complete than the original Sun and Moon games. I always recommend the Ultra games if people haven't played through that Gen yet
The mantine surf is a good feature also
I thought that was in regular Sun and Moon so I didn’t talk about it, my mistake
At launch I knocked Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon a bit because they're just what should have released originally so it made the handholding feel overwhelming right after the first game. My biggest complaint is the Rotom Dex calling me "Master" and not being able to make it stop! It made me feel so uncomfortable lmao. And my boy Yungoos did NOT deserve the social media smear campaign he got! He was just an angry little man and I loved him until everyone made him out to be a caricature of the American president!
I remember seeing all the pokemon and video game RUclipsrs talking about how different the "Ultra" games are from the base Sun and Moon. They said that they were completely different games, and shouldn't even be compared because they were so different. I was so pissed when I started playing the game and it was practically the exact same thing
I really love both sun and moon games. My only critic about them is that they were too long, because of the trial crystals.
Ultra sun and moon felt more jrpg than any other pokemon game. There are a lot of side quest.
I honestly feel like Ultra is where I kind of lost faith in the Pokemon brand. Splitting what is basically a third version into two games, with a worse story imo, an overall less focused setup and a lazy, nostalgia-pandering "catch all the legendaries!" postgame (especially after RR, that was at least a unique dungeon and pretty tough at that) which did not justify full price at all. ESPECIALLY twice.
It kills me to hear people act like SwSh were the first "lazy" Pokemon games when a lot of its core issues, in my honest opinion, started with the 3DS era and reached their worst level at Ultra.
Third version were present since pokemon yellow. Ultra being 2 version is not that different and big deal anymore since trading is easier than ever. Of all the games in the series, gen 7 is the one you should not call lazy. It has an amazing production value and it pushes 3ds to its limits. Regardless of how you feel about the game, lazy is not the correct description to it.
@@showmeyourmoves8551 Pokemon Yellow was not two separate releases and third versions were always a scam. Ultra was just the worst iteration of it. And for all intents and purposes, the base Sun and Moon were the games that I actually liked from the past 3DS/Switch era, which is why I'm even more mad that Ultra exists, because it's a worse third version of those games that is arbitrarily split up into its own release, advertised like it was a more substantial package than it really was.
@@showmeyourmoves8551 In English?
I like to imagine that during the post game where you are able to go to all of the ultra beast home worlds, when you visit the ultra deep sea, I like to imagine that you are getting there right after the sun and moon plot there just ended. It becomes a more interesting game for me if I imagine that the original one still happened just in a different universe
I enjoyed the seventh generation on my first run through although I find it very difficult to try to replay them :/
tbh I played ultra moon twice and I don't really remember anything from the story that sticked out to me (expect for my huge dislike for Hau I have developed).
I mean I think gen 7 is far from being a bad generation but Idk I don't think it's a very memorable one either
That’s the thing. I hardly remember the trial captains. I remember almost all of the other gyms in Gens 1-5 (6 is a blur since I only ever played through it once and that was when it came out, what, 6-8 years ago?) Trial Captains? Meh. Story beats? Something about Ultra Beasts because “Perfection”. I remember liking Guzma and forgetting everything about him immediately after I beat him.
It will always be memorable jist for the fact that it is the most original game since the original red and blue. Also, swsh jusy makes me appreciate gen 7 more.
My favourite gens are 7, 8 and 5, i was a fan of pokemon since gen 5, but my first game was 7 and i think gen 8 has the best graphics/art style and quality of life and i like many of the pokemon too, i think most people will always prefer their first game no matter what. Like how i really don't like johto, sinnoh and kalos
It's one of my fav games. Yet I was disappointed it wasn't a sequel (Alola, 3 years later would've been so cool).
I think Team Rainbow Rocket should have been part of the main story and sprinkled throughout the region.
It was a stupid to just have them ALL in the same place in the Aether Foundation.
Also, it may have given us more of a opportunity to hear what took place in those timelines as you came across them throughout the game.
In the Battle Tree, was Anabelle ever so hard to find when you played?
yes
Honestly, I really like ultra sum and ultra moon, they are my second favorites on the 3ds behind oras. And they are my fourth favorite entries on the main series. I got ultra moon on the very end of 2019, pretty much after the 3ds era, but I really liked it, that was my welcoming ticket to the 3d pokemon games and I don't regret it
This is really odd, I feel almost the complete opposite way towards these games.
Also, with absolutely 0 offence and 100% honesty since you are one of my favourite pokemon RUclipsr and looove your videos, including this one, but many of the things you said sounded like you haven't played the games since launch and are basing many of the things you say on assumptions that aren't accurate.
I was about to write a lot more but I realized a. No one will read this and b. It doesn't matter either way
Even with that I still respect your opinion and I hope y'all respect mine
My main annoyance with the ultra games was the stupid long tutorial, cutscene length, and difficulty spikes, but specifically difficulty spikes, because it wasn't even really consistent, sometimes i would be breezing through the game one or two shotting everything, then out of nowhere my team gets swept by a random cradily or something
Linearity of these games is why I don’t like them I always feel like I’m locked in a ride not going on an adventure exploring ever nook and cranny
tbh pokemon usum are good games but sadly we did not get x/y sequels like Z or x2 y2
Honestly as much hate as these games get i feel that they may as well hate platinum and emerald because they literally do the same thing. Sure it's in one game but still
People mostly criticize today's pokemon games cause back in the day there wasn't really a way of updating a handheld game.
But since the 3DS, not only can games receive all manner of updates but also make use of DLCs.
For example, og japanese versions of the old games have bugs and glitches not present in the international versions, because all the other versions were made afterwards and are therefore patched. There wasn't any other way of doing this without making new cartridges with different versions of the roms.
But I do understand what you mean.
Personally, after I played through Ruby, Emerald and Pearl, as a kid, seeing them release Platinum made me actually very annoyed. Which is the reason I ended up not buying it and HGSS.
I only came back to the series during my highschool years, some time before XY after playing through Black2.
@@kutaoizumi4189 black and white 2 actually change so just wanted to mention that
@@poggersplaysgames2815 Yeah, I know that already.
@@kutaoizumi4189 oh ok
I'm planning to play gen 7 soon but I'm stumped as to whether I should play Sun/Moon first then go Ultra or just jump straight into Ultra ://
I would say just go right to Ultra. The games are so similar that playing both back to back would feel like playing the same game twice in a row
the video: starts with Colors
Me: *hammers away at the like button*
I got extremely lucky during the fight against ultra necrozma because my incineroar avoided every move and landed only did critical hits thanks to his affection.
The only problem I have with USUM is how they altered Lusamine's story with the Aether Foundation and Nihilego. To have the Ultra People and Necrozma.
Necrozma was cool the battle was way more difficult back then...
But Lusamine is pointless. They kept her "psycho maternal instinct" but they don't do anything with that.
I actually enjoyed playing through my copy of Ultra Moon, mainly because I never played the original Moon (which I am a bit thankful for). I got really invested in it more than SwSh, with my interest pointing towards the Ultra beasts like Nihilego and Necrozma. SwSh however, bored me to DEATH. I got extremely bored of it that I only beat 2 gyms before never touching those abominations of games ever again. Ultra Moon's story was good enough to make me love it with Necrozma being the main focus instead of Nihilego, but I definitely don't see myself replaying the garbage that is sword and shield in the future
I think the only reason these games are good is because Goomy is in it, which means Goodra (the best pokemon) is obtainable, so you can easily play with a team full of Goodra's
The ultra games ruined Lily's story in my opinion. Like the only good thing that came from the ultra games was Lily having a Clefairy in post-game becoming a trainer I kind of wish that that was carried over in the original games otherwise they are narratively inferior.
How to beat ultra nectozema (or at least how I did it) weaken him with 4 decent pokemon, then throw out banette and spam thunder (which, yes, it can learn. Its ghost typing will help somewhat too) then throw out a crobat to spam revives with because your Banette WILL die.
I don't quite remember everything I thought about the differences after I played both Sun and Ultra Moon, but I do remember I didn't like how Lusamine's story was different. It felt a bit watered down and although she was insane, there was a reason for it and she was my favorite character in Sun. I do appreciate the better post-game in Ultra. Other than that I don't remember much tbh.
I think gamefreak was right about the 3rd version DLC replacement for SwSh. If ultra sun and moon was a quick DLC, focusing less on story content and instead focused on post game content, it would’ve been more fun and lest costly
While that argument made sense a few years ago, now with what’s happened with Fire Emblem Fates, and the eShop closure, I think people are likely more accepting of USUM.
@@britishguy54dx I agree, but at the same time I think Pokemon mightve done the same thing they did with the Crown Tundra and Isle of armor and rerelase Sun and Moon with the DLC preinstalled.
Btw rainbow rocket is the version of the villans where you (the player or protagonist) either didn't exist or ended up failing/maybe dying
Sadly ghetsis is black/white ghetsis specifically so he doesn't have that awesome black cloak
To say that they're your least favorite main series games when they are better than Sun and Moon in every way is ridiculous.
I didn’t say that. I literally said multiple times in the video that UsUm was better than Sun and Moon and that gen 7 as a whole was still my least favorite.
@@PaPaSea Ah, I see, the description said otherwise, and I had thought that you were referring to USUM in the video when you said least favorite, that's my bad.
The description is worded like that because I used to think they were the worst, like I said in the video, until I gave it another chance and played it fully.
@@PaPaSea That's fair, and it's also my bad for misunderstanding.
No worries I noticed I worded it awkwardly in the description, and had a couple of typos, anyway
ultra moon is my favorite pokemon game . i also think gen 7 is best gen .
Same here, they were my first pokemon games since Heartgold and I loved them so much
@MatchaPaws glad you responded like a civil person . normal people yell at me for liking gen 7
I think this game would be better received if they hadn’t been released inmediately after Sun and Moon. If it came after the sinnoh remakes at the least, it would probably be better received
I'm replaying ultra sun (or playing for the first time since I played ultra moon a few times) and white 2. It is a fun game but it was the beginning of linear worlds and that's supposed to be a big part of the game. Have you done your thoughts on white & black 2? 😄
The best change the Ultra Games did for me is the faster time I'm able to get my starter. I didn't really use it as I've manage to get the hidden ability starter (sadly not the new Lycanroc up to this day) that much tho.
3:04 no hau is not the campion, he is the challenger to become the champion, and you are the champion bcs you beat the elite 4 first and the region didnt had a champion until you become one
when you defeat him on the end of story mode appears a cutscene saying "You DEFEND your champion title"
these are the greatest pokemon games i have ever played. love em
USUM will seemingly be the last main series game with a complete dex. Let that sink in.
I loved playing through Ultra Sun even though I do feel that it should've been how OG Sun was in the first place. I've had some good competitive runs there too. It'll be a sad day when I have to Bank my teams left there.
Something I noticed is Sun and Moon’s story has a much darker tone. Lusamine goes crazy and goes into a coma, Lillie leaves with her to get her healed and you don’t see her again, Maon is shown is poke pelago and it’s heavily implied he’s their father, and Gladion is left to clean up his moms mess. The Ultra games made the story more light hearted, and I feel that was a waste of what was actually a really good story
Yes agree as someone who played both Moon and UM
Ultra Necrozma... I got so frustrated until Google gave me a failproof suggestion
I hate whenever people say that the ultra games are worst out of them and the original because it is literally just the original games but better
Well they're my favourite so stop calling them BAD!
On my first playthrough of Ultra Moon I used a Toxic strategy on a Sylveon. Which was the last of three tries. (On Ultra Necrozma)
I don't remember what I did for my second playthrough however...
For example.
You have the scene with the Cryogenic Room where she keeps Pokémon like statues. In SM makes sense because it's stablished how she's pretty much a selfish b-tch who doesn't care for the happiness of herself...
But in USUM she's somehow a sympathetic villain with an altruistic goal?
I really liked the adrenaline orb mechanic, but that’s it really
It's interesting seeing so many people actually liking this game LOL, I'm happy that not everyone is going around in the Echo chamber of the hate train for every new Pokemon game that's released. This has gone on ever since gen 3, there was a time where everyone hated Gen 5 but now people praise it as one of the best in the series. I imagine when the dust settles around the hate train of the 3D games and gen 9 becomes a thing people will look back at gen 7 fondly
Only b2 and w2 are the good gen 5 games. The original bw are blt that great imo.
While I wasn’t blown away by Sun and Moon, but the set up could have an awesome follow through, and just feels empty unfortunately. I really wish that Ultra versions did a little more with the “alternate universes” things, and let us potentially experience the alternate universes a little more, like we did with Annabelle in ORAS.
I do also wish PMC would let mechanics stick! Mega Evos were introduced and then taken away, Z moves were introduced and then taken away, and now we’re into Dynamaxing, which will probably go away. I’d really prefer Mega Evos to come back if we get a DPPT remake soon.
yeah ultra necrozma is a hard battle but the funny thing is if you get a zorua at start and evo it the big scary ultra necrozma is easy asf
I don’t know why I struggled on this more than any other pokemon game? I never lost a battle on any game until this one?
Sun/Moon was a great game. One of the best stories in any mainline Pokemon game, a beautiful region to explore, and despite people complaining about how easy modern Pokemon games are, was surprisingly more difficult than many other games. However, when the Ultra games came along, they ruined one of my favorite things about Sun/Moon: the story. Lillie and Lusamine's plotline is completely ruined, and Necrozma's story is not nearly as interesting. While everything else pretty much remained the same, I just couldn't get over the change to the story, and that really just ruined the game for me.
I REALLY wish Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon had been actual sequels...
Not being sequels ruins Lusamine's character and doesn't hold her accountable for the abuse she subjected her children to in this version of events. She's just kinda... forgiven? The broken family arc is absolutely ruined. As sequels, we could have seen what happens a few years later as a new trainer comes to meet Lillie and Lusamine as they return to Alola and repair their relationship and they come to terms with the abusive period. Now with a few years under her belt as her own person, Lillie could serve as a guide rather than an escort mission, and through the story Nebby could return and protect Lillie.
The Ultra games being sequels could have given so much room for development of necrozma as the legendary boss.
The base trainer from Sun and Moon for whichever character selection you pick in USUM could be the champion and could have the starter strong against yours. Alternatively they could appear as their own developed character so as to not do the odd thing B2W2 did in its complete exclusion of Hilbert/Hilda, and a character like Hau or Gladion or someone else you met in your journey through Sun and Moon could be given a similar jump to the one Iris was given. One of the SM Captains could rise to the top and make way for a new captain, like a steel, psychic, bug, poison, etc captain.
So much could have been done better but they didn't do it. I still enjoy the hell out of what we get but I have plenty of wishes that weren't what we got.
The graphics in the sun and moon games hurts my eyes, they pushed the 3ds to far.
I was lucky enough to have my Zoroark desguised as Poliwrath during Ultra Necrozma fight 😅
I've played Pokemon since gen three and so I'd like to think I know what makes a good experience.
Pokemon sun/moon and ultra sun/moon are odd for sure like the vid says. There not normal enhanced versions, and there not sequels ether. There sorta in the middle. Sorta a 1.5 version if you would. That's my take on them at least. And while the story wasn't bad, I mean look at gen 1 and 2 the main story in those games was nigh non existent depending on how you look at it. But the big flaw with the games is just the gameplay experience the games to me feel like a chore to play. It felt like I had to do a cut scean every few minutes and the trainer battles where not challenging enough. In gen 5 one of my favorite gens by late game I was facing teams of four five and six pokemon. But gen 7 I'm seeing at most three on trainers. It's pitiful so while not bad games I don't think I'll pick them up again if I do for quite a while.
I see USUM as a big reference to Emerald, Platinum and B2W2.
Emerald is THE third version experience, but most of the main story doesn't really change except for a few moments. It's the post game where it really shines, like USUM'S Rainbow Rocket.
Platinum is more concerned about Giratina, and you visit the Distortion World, like Ultra Necrozma and Ultra Megaopolis.
B2W2 are sequels, yes, but that's not what's being referenced. It's their Dual Nature, which is why they couldn't make a Grey. SuMo had a gimmick that couldn't be put in one version, and the Box Art was fused Pokemon, just like B2W2.
At least, that's my opinion
I think I mostly agree, but I do like Gen 1 and 2 for being that fairly open set up: You want to be a Pokemon master, and your Pokemon Professor wants you to complete the Pokedex. On those two things alone, you go and explore the world for the first time and try to make your way across the country to complete your goals. Along the way, you keep bumping into Team Rocket, who are up to no good, so you practice being a good samaritan and stop them. Even Lance is involved in Gen 2, which is a nice call back for Gen 1 fans. Then you finally become a gym leader and beat the rival who’s been a jerk to you the entire time, to achieve your dream of being a Pokemon champion. Definitely a fan of the “less is more” here like people were for BotW being more about exploring vs needing the guided-tour with a lot of cutscenes that some of the newer Zelda games got.
You can beat ultra necrozma pretty easily with zoroark
To me UsUm are the best Pokémon mainline games of the last 5 years. They are what SuMo should've been from the beginning in terms of mechanics and overall content. So you can actually skip or ignore SuMo at this point. Since I'm not a fan of Pokémon GO & LGPE and also SwSh was just a big disaster in my opinion, where the Crown Tundra was the savior, I'll always prefer to play UsUm on my 3DS than any Pokémon game on the switch so far. Plus, everytime I restart the Alola-games, it always feels like a vacation to me. And for the difficulty of the games, I'll play Nuzlockes or create some own rules. 😁