Does a Cobra jet manifold make more power than a 18 manifold?
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- Yes and anyone that thought differently is on absolute crack. Proof inside.
Don't believe hype about ported 18 vs Cobra jet, The Cobra jet manifold is still king daddy of manifolds, Don't take my word for it, This video shows a 18 mustang GT manual on E85, Cat deletes and a pmas intake With a stock 18 manifold, get upgraded to a Cobra jet setup with longtubes, and the difference is nuts.
Cobra Jet is king hands down. Very happy and proud of my CJ setup and is one of the fastest NA cars that’s on the road. Very good video Alex we can always count on you!
Will my 14 GT pass emissions with the CJ kit with the 60mm CJ TB installed?
@@400hpmustang it will pass emissions if u pay extra money..
Scotty N sorry for the late reply. It should pass emissions.
Performance parts for Mustangs used to be affordable, and cheaper, which is one reason they became so popular. $1,500 for an exhaust which is still just metal tubing, and $1,000 for an intake manifold is ludicrous. Almost all the performance parts for these newer Mustangs are just way absurdly overpriced.
my thoughts exactly coming from a fox mustang and sn95 mustang guy my wife has a new coyote and it's totally ridiculous on the parts prices that's why I moved over to the f body side of the house LS motors gen 3 in particular the best horsepower value motor ever!
You don’t have i buy the most expensive shit and or buy it brand new
Troy Lambert it’s because these parts add a lot of horsepower the mods for your sn95 added like 20 hp
@@jakechaplin9766 not the turbo kit
We have a coyote mustang right now and it's a great car but the prices are sky-high on the parts my LS1 f body Camaros kick the shit out of my coyote with just a cam and exhaust
The fastest N/A Coyote cars ALWAYS have a CJ. Thats what it was designed to do!
According to Ford Performance it was developed and based on the naturally aspirated Cobra Jet race car.
Cobra jet- 1000
Throttle body- 650
CAI- 350 = $2000
18 MANIFOLD ported is what $550? Use stock TB and CAI.. THATS where the difference is. Price
Exactly, but 30 RWHP is 30 RWHP LOL
I heard u gotta pay to play..
@@YDBT4LIFE yes very true. Is 30hp worth 1400? I think yes. the only reason I haven't gone from 18 to a Cobra jet is because it doesn't fit under my Stock hood on my foxbody.
But you have to attribute at least 10hp to the headers, so now it's a $1500 price difference for 20 RWHP. Just saying.
Ok so it made 30hp more with the headers, CJ and "cold" air, no cats, and exhaust..
Cobra Jet and Stainless Works LTH on my 13 GT and it is a beast!!! Amazing sound
It really is simple, the fastest N/A 18-19 car runs a Cobra Jet manifold.. not a ported stocker.
Right on smoke!
@Coyote Drew: what makes the Cobra jet so much better than a ported stock!?
scar face probably the entire cobra jet manifold design is superior
@@scarface9617 Only because of the bigger Throttle body. If you run a 90MM TB on the 18 then the 18 is superior.
The fastest NA 18-19 car is an all out race car with cams, etc. is it not? How many people who own a late model mustang spend all day reving the thing over 7K? Not everyone wants to build the fastest NA racecar in the world.
CJ FTW! Just sent mine off to Bret Barber to have it ported. Also thinking about using that same DMark CAI with mine too.
Bhahahaha INCONSISTENT 🗑️. CLOUT CHASER P MASS 4 the win
I think the misinformation come from the 11-14 guys who make same power with cj or 18 because they do not have better cam profiles and heads like the gen 2 coyotes
Yep exactly 412 to the crank is a pretty big difference compared to 430 to the crank and some people have a hard time understanding that my 2011 coyote is getting a gen 2 swap as we speak
Unless its a Boss 302
Backing up my validation of buying a Cobra Jet intake.
Everyone here complaining about how "expensive" our cars are to build. 🤦♂️ I'm coming from the Vq world and trust me Mustangs are the best bang for your buck car. I know people who dropped 4k on a NA build to make 320whp lol
Yikes
I felt that….. and I still own my Z 😥
This debate is so reminiscent of the LS1 intake debate from the mid-late 2000s. Back then it was LS6 intake (stock ZO6, GTO and CTSV manifold) vs the F.A.S.T. Intake (think aftermarket CJ intake). The cost investment was similar too. $400 for a used intake, $75 for a bigger air lid, reuse the stock throttle body and you're in pretty good shape. But on heads/cam setups the 78mm opening couldn't hang with a full 102mm setup/better intake design, although forum bros will say otherwise. But the full set up was $1600ish. And here we are 10 years later, same shit
Considering around half the gain is likely from headers this still seems like a pyrrhic victory, at best, for Cobra Jet manifold. I don't doubt the CJ is still, technically, top dog but it's HP/$ is pretty mediocre to bad (between 33 and 66$/whp) so it should probably be one of the last mods on your list for the average guy. Hell, it's price is almost halfway to a basic supercharger. You can actually buy some decent journal bearing turbos for less than this manifold.
Me, personally, I think I can live with the small hit to HP and spend the difference elsewhere, and still have more HP overall. But for the guy who has deep pockets and wants every last bit of power or has already built up the motor everywhere else, this can be a good option.
Stock 18 manifold meaning last dyno run was not ported? And didn't have the long tubes? Seems like a lot of money for maybe 10-20hp
S P that’s what I’m thinking. It wasn’t ported
Exactly, it's not an even comparison..
I have an s197 2011. I'm poor so I went with a boss intake. I'm happy with the little bit extra gain
as far as I understand it from local tuners. Yes the cobra jet manifold does make more power on top end, but you lose lower end torque. Also, the ported 18 makes power in a more steady increase from throttle to red line. The CJ manifold has little down below but peaks out higher. It was suggested for street driving or occasional track use ported 18. For mostly track only us CJ.
Well said brother
With e85 tune I notice no tq loss and car hauls ass my fav is half throttle at 1500 rpms and lund tune ftw!
I saw another tuner saying the 18 intake is better than the cj intake for the gen 1 coyote :o..... cj is king hands down
Me too. And I’m currently using those guys tune. I think they were just trying to promote there 2018+ intake manifold sale they had going. Definitely wanting to switch to Lund after I saw that video.
NorthWest HorsePower which tune is that
Doggo That’s ridiculous, I have a buddy who had a cobra jet manifold, he fell for then ported 18 hype, installed it, and he literally got 2 cars slower!
jr9307 A tune company put up a video of the cobra jet making less power than a ported 2018 mani. And it was more than likely just because they were trying to sell there 2018 manifolds and there install kit they had on sale. You can look it up if you want, but I don’t want to bash that company’s name. It’s kinda ridiculous
NorthWest HorsePower Fucking VMP straight bullshitting people.
Lots of money for that power but some guys have deep pockets.
Underfedcoyote 5.0 gotta pay to play if you are serious about NA power with only 5.0L’s to play with.
It is aloy of money for the gains but its more than just peak to peak gains...car will be significantly faster when set up this way which is what the idea is. You can make an na car run pretty damn hard set up correctly and its nowhere near what boost costs so its all relevant
Michael Harris I agree, I’m extremely happy with how my car runs and it’s super reliable.
@@g8r5oh10 your car def rolls out
mgerren88 thanks!
Does that make a big difference on a boosted application as well? I just got a TT hellion kit for my 2015 GT was thinking to do a ported 18s manifold i also have a gt350 TB, was thinking to throw it on a 18 mani. Or stock TB will be better?
Yes a massive difference. I gained 150whp after boss intake and smaller pulley. Just get the 18 mani and use whatever TB your tuner likes. Both are fine
People aren't saying the 18gt manifold makes the same power, they are saying for 1/4 the price it's the better buy.
Agreed. Also the drivability of the 18 manifold is going to be much better. Yea CJ more power but only at full throttle is it worth it. And don’t forget about new motor mounts. So for about 2k more then a 18 mani I guess 30whp is worth it for some.
My 11 gt put down 435 with an 18 intake. Im happy with my 1/4 th of the price intake. Lol
What poverty boys say...
@@kingtee94 the bank prolly owns your car lol.
Brandon Newhouse think they own my CJ also? 😂
That car was definitely made on a Friday after the Employee Appreciation Luncheon.
And for everyone bitching about a cj setup being 2k.... buy a complete used setup for 1200
noldevin I just bought I lightly used one with a vmp twin 67 and cold air for 1k. They are out there and for that price it’s worth it I am sure
@@StoicMiles exactly idk where ppl are coming up w 2k difference...u can get them much cheaper used and also the 18 manifold isnt free either unless u have an 18 up...a 18 manifold costs 300-400 dont it? People also downplay the difference...oh 20 wheel isnt worth 2k...first off it isnt just 20 wheel that is peak to peak difference...beyond 7k where it matters the difference is alot more and itll carry it out alot more making the car in the real world faster ecspecially if you have at least l&m intake only cams to help take advantage of it they really compliment each other well and is the route im going when i get my coyote
@@michaelharris748 u got it?
Just bought a used ported CJ and 67mm vmp for 1500
@@chrishall7661 its worth the premium over an 18 it is the better intake period. People focus too much on peak numbers instead of worrying about what really matters which is carrying the power out alot more up top. That is what makes properly done cj cars pull like a raped ape lol people dropping 1000 bucks on an axle back that doesn't do shit for performance really but complain about the price of a cj. In the real world a proper cj is gonna make way more difference than an axel back more mods you got the more itll shine too.
Mr Alex I have a question about the intake manifold. I've seen a lot of guys around here in San Diego running the CJ's, ported 18's and all that but I rarely ever see (I look contantly on youtube) or hear about guys running the Holley Sniper intakes, and I was wondering if there were any benefits or drawbacks to that system compared to the CJ with the same mods...
Not a fan of the holley sniper.
The CJ is always run with the bigger Throttle body and the 18 never gets run with a matching 90MM throttle body. Run the 18 with the Ford Racing 90MM and watch the CJ go down.
Because the 18 doesn't gain much of anything from a tbody change. The cj runs a diff tbody because it has to. The larger dual opening flows more air and a mono even more so. This is part of what makes the cj better that is what you're paying the money for.
7 people just bought a ported 2018 manifold.
That’s a gorgeous looking piece, always loved the Ford Performance/Racing Parts.
Cobra jet for the win
The butt hurt is coming...
TwoPonies s550 fax
Hey Alex, question
Would a Cobra Jet Intake fit a 2011 GT with auto transmission? I keep seeing this (product description : * Cobra Jet inlet tube does not have provisions for aspirator tube hook up found on automatic transmission-equipped Mustang GT*
Please advice
Alex, is that a manual? I have an automatic 2016 and am trying to decide which one I should go with. Is it difficult to put a cobra-jet on an automatic? Is it possible?
FINALLY!!! Thank you for making this video. Forever I’ve been trying to tell everyone that the cj intake is the best for n/a
Good content Alex
Thank you man
On that last pull, you could clearly see that intake elbow flexing inward under the pressure of all the air that Cobra jet was sucking in.
Yes it will, just like taking air filter off itll make more hp. Collapsing boot is restricting air flow
That poly elbow was collapsing and flapping about 😂
I’m confused.. if that’s the case then why does VMP show that the 18 Intake Ported is better than a CJ? According to VMP 18 Ported is 462.77 HP, vs the 462.69 on the CJ.
Someone please explain this.
They're trying to sell their ported 18 intake... the CJ is better, hands down.
@@srhatfield So you are saying they doctored the results or skewed the test intentionally?
@@fullmetaljacktt I am saying that in every other test that I've seen (including this one), dating back 5 years,, the CJ handily beats the other intake manifolds, by a LOT. If VMP tells people that *their* 2018 Intake Manifold is better than a CJ manifold.. well.. sorry, but the evidence is clear that they're wrong.
@@srhatfield Funny this is the only test going back to 18 when it was released that the CJ is at that much of an advantage. Every other test puts the CJ "maybe" 5 hp better with most going to the 18.
Yo I’m stuck rn. I want to get a CJ i already have ported boss manifold LTH XPIPE 47lb JLT intake it’s on nitrous. But na runs are fun I’m thinking if I should go cj and just get the plate for it. Do you think it’s worth it ? All this is on a 2014 Auto 3.73. Should I stay boss or convert over
Love the coyote engine. What intake do you recommend for my 2018 f150 and other recommendation appreciated. Good video and info!
That’s the power a 2018 mustang gt makes in ported 2018 with E85
This is an e85 car
@@F1FIDY i know thats what i said
Question idk if I missed it
was this on e85 or pump gas ?
I’m not gonna lie, I currently own a 2018 5.0 manual. TUNED BY AEM. My current set up is JLT INTAKE, 2018 PORTED MANIFOLD, CORSA LONG TUBES. EXHAUST. With e of course. And I dynod a little bit higher than this while being on tire at 483 wheel. It’s also a stingy dyno keep in mind.
the dyno read too high, prob not SAE corrected.
Y’all kill me talking about a CJ is half the cost of a blower where y’all getting y’all blowers lemme know so I can get one that cheap
CJ: $1000
Supercharger:$6-8,000
Am I missing something?
@@spawn302 yes, cj is 2k
@@mudargamer lol. What point are you trying to make. The CJ is still substantially cheaper than a blower.
@@Gltokensp06 not making any, just correcting his prices, I'd rather spend 3 times the price of cj for 10× more power
@@Gltokensp06 CJ is 1k, intake is 400$, throttle body is 600-800$ depending on which. You’ll definitely need catless longtubes h/xpipe 1800-2200, tune 500-700 from lund, fuel injectors 300, All in all around 5k
Is it me our is the 18 up gt with manual transmission making less power then automatic ? Also I would have liked to see dyno run before the headers where installed. . I know of 5 our more 18 up mustangs automatics without cobra jet making more power and stang mode made just shy of 500 rear wheel . How do you actually know if the power increased was cj our the long tubes.
Which mounts did you use for this mustang? Also did you have to cut the hood at all?
Did anyone else see the rubber elbow from the CAI flex on the last pull??? That was interesting to see.
Yo that was so cool! I'd be very interested to see the fluid analysis as to why that happens. Where is that resonance coming from I wonder.
I am predicting (prior to watching the video) that the CJ will make more HP in the upper RPM range which is best on the drag strip. The ‘18 manifold will make more TQ and more overall HP under the curve which is better on the street.
That's usually how the comparison goes between the 18 and the CJ. The guy in the video is being pretty presumptive about what other people claim and it's implications. I've never heard anyone argue the ported 18 makes the same power as a CJ, the argument is usually that it's a better "bang for the buck" in most cases.
@@177SCmaropeople act like they're essentially "the same thing" so it's crazy to go cj. Cj outperforms it easily there is more to it than peak to peak numbers. They wanna talk about torque low w the 18 but the cj don't lose torque its not like a boss. Nobody talks about how the cj shits on the 18 above 7k and when cams are involved the difference is even more so.
The cj makes more average across the entire rpm band especially above 7000
@@midnight347
Depends almost entirely on the engine underneath it.
If it's a stock coyote, especially a 1st gen, the cobra jet intake doesn't really do anything and the 18, esp ported, is the way to go.
If it's a highly modified engine - high compression, racing cams, lots of rpm -then you'll see gains, esp high rpm, with the cj but the ported 18 will still do about 85% of what the cj does and save a ton of money.
The cj intake does definitely win the looks department.
Ultimately it's up to you if you want to spend the extra money, almost the price of a turbo system btw, for a high dollar manifold.
I just went a 10.23 making about 700hp with the stock 18 manifold not even proted, vvt deleted sec gen stock cams and a little boost I don't even shift it that high, like 6800rpm. If I was building an all out, especially NA motor, I'd definitely bite the bullet and go with the cj though but for like 95% of your mustangs out there that just have headers and a tune the 18 manifold is just fine.
And I still maintain that the best intake manifold for the coyote isn't the cj or the 18, it's the belt-driven one, lol.
I have a question. I have a 14 5oh Gt track pack. Should I get the 18 manifold?
Lol. Track pack or non track pack doesn't matter. And 18 Mani is like installing a boss mani
So cobra jet won't fit under a stock s550 hood? Forgot bout the headers in this dyne test maybe the ported 18 is better for my budget
Do a 2018 GT needs a manifold upgrade? Or just an intake will do?
So this is just out of curiosity. I bought a 14 GT with a Boss 302 manifold. How much am I really missing from either the 18 or the CJ manifold? Is it really worth spending a grand on a CJ manifold for the gains? Should I just port the Boss? A lot of questions I know lol.
Port the boss
Those upr mounts if you don't put 1 of the spacer in will hit the 3 nubs on the power steering put one spacer in or grind down nubs. But that was also the additional weight of the whipple on my 17 that i found that. Hope this helps someone.
I have no idea why people deny the CJ worthiness..... Hands down its the Mac Daddy for N/A. This car looks gorgeous, who ever thought of painting the grill gloss black to match the wheels knows that it’s the fine details that make a difference.
I tell u because they only look at peak numbers. It doesn't change peak a ton compared to an 18 but it does improve it and average power goes up significantly as it carries the power out alot more before dropping off. Cj car will smoke an 18 manifold car all things equal. If they're both cammed the difference is even more.
Because it's f**king overpriced!
Long tubes vs cat delete does make a difference you guys are partial to cobra jet. Cobra jet makes more peak hp and 18 has more steady hp throughout the power band. 18 manifold ftw
But what manifold is the quickest and fastest NA mustangs running ?
@@KINGKJ2REAL who gives a fuck I'm going whipple
How did that only make 484? On a dyno jet I made that with a stock ported mani and I just got a ported cj and felt way more of a difference
We need to be real people. You put LTH and a cobrajet intake/ trottle body for $2,500+ and make 24 more hp. 24hp!!!!!!! Come on my friend. If you want to be fair, put a ported stock 18 manifold with the LTH and the agresive tune that can be achieve with them and lets see the real numbers. Apples to Apples.
Dont forget the nitrous kit you can add with all the money saved on a ported 18' 100-150 rwhp cobra jet price vs 18' price would get cobra jet would get smoked and its still technically N/A
@@bitpro8903 yes...
Since when is nitrous n/a?
@@390fe451 it's a fuel it's not used to pressurize so technically it's NA
If it's a fuel why do you need to add fuel? Because it's an oxygenator...adding oxygen just like forced induction. Get out of here with your bs
Is that MBRP race catback or the street catback?
Do you still have to drop the motor down if you have a 4inch cowl hood?
Clearly not. You don’t even have to drop it wth the stock hood, they cut a tiny piece out and it’s fine. Why would you need to drop the half inch with a 4 inch cowl? Tf
I reviewed the original video for this car on 8/22/18. Temp was 88 degrees (you said it was "hot") and 60% humidity (historical weather data) @ 10am (time as shown on the dash screen, temp was 96). You also mentioned at the end of the video that the fuel tested @ E70 not E85 because all the 93 was not gone when the E85 was added to the tank. You then stated 460 - 470 is not uncommon with the level of mods on this particular car at the time. So, while it appears your comparing the HP based on JUST intakes, there are far too many variables to take into consideration. In a controlled environment, you'd see different results. Not worth the $$$ IMO. I'll find the 10-15 hp elsewhere and not have to deal with all the BS the Cobra Jet requires to run it.
Big fax, we don't like that kinda attention to detail around here!
facts dude
Never stop making videos
Which pmas did he have thats not the same one I have and see regularly? Not even the same fitment set up
I took that stud out bent ac line as far away as possible zip tiem havent had issue. Steeda running their 120mm on stock air box with cj set up checkem Out
The coupler going to the TB started to collapse at the top of the second pull. Nice looking ride and shes making good power.
Justin Jordan did ported 18 Intake Manifold dyno testing. Even on a 2018 car, the manifold was ported and swapped out, the car gained no power at all.
So swap a ported 18 manifold on same day same dyno. Don’t see how this proves anything. Porting a 18 manifold picks up 10-15 hp. And this car had longtubes. So the cj will pick up 5-10 hp and lose power everywhere besides peak. How exciting for the money
What about boss manifold vs 18 manifold ???? Bc boss manifold is similar to cobra jet (SIMILAR )
I been wondering the same thing cause they are basically the same just the cj has a much bigger Tb to allow more air flow. The boss might be a closer match up for the 18. And price wise they are also closer.
Love your channel. Your videos are awesome. VMP did a test on an N/A Gen 1 coyote and found the 2018 better than cobra jet. Have you seen this? Thoughts?
The gen 1 cams aren't as good as don't allow the cj to work properly. Basically the 18 works better in the range stock gen 1 cams work in but if you have aftermarket cams the cj owns the 18 it's not even close. A cammed cj gen 1 can make 500 wheel on e85. You won't see an 18 manifold car doing near 500 cams or not.
Can you do a video on a 2nd gen with the cobrajet manifold
The ported 18 made the same numbers as far as vmp video, if not better...
Was it dynoed with the hood up when you did the 18 mani?
Does the fluttering of the rubber intake elbow @ 10.02 help it make more HP?
Saw that too, wonder if they noticed it.
The intake coupler was getting sucked in on the second pull. I wonder if that is having any impact on things (probably not).
Is it possible to get these numbers, same mods but 10r80?
Yes
Any one else notice the elbow off throttle body flexing from the negative pressure near full rpm on the pull? Curious if you would see some sort of resistance or power loss on the logs ( 10:00)
You do. Same thing happened on our buddies 18. As soon as it hit peak power, it killed the top end above 6250 rpm were the Cobra jet shines. We're going replace the elbow with something sturdier and run it again. Videos are on @that1320chick's channel
Heres a question, is the ported cj better than the normal cj by a noticeable difference?
Nope
So you guys aren't even talking about the fact that you also added LT headers. So you don't think any of the gains can be attributed to the headers?
Thank you for this. I have been wanting to go cobra jet on my 18 but other places say the 18 makes the same and I'm wasting my money. Lol
People that say that dont know what theyre talking about. The power you gain and the area in which the gains are at make it very much worth it over an 18. I gaurantee a properly tuned cj setup on an 18 will trap noticeably more than the stock manifold does and et should be lower too assuming traction isnt an issue. Especially with the 10r80 cars that spend all their time at the top of the tach due to the awesome gearing a cj would really wake one of those up
I went to get a dyno tune on my 13gt and I told them I wanted to get the cobra jet intake next and they said I shouldn’t do anymore mods to the car because it has 100k miles what are your thoughts?
Find a new place. 100K on a modern motor is nothing. If you change the oil you are fine.
Stock OPG's? Do we think it's true what Ford said about the non-Fluid dampeners being the probable cause of the OPG failures on the Gen2's? Can we put the Gen3 balancer on the Gen2's to save a little money over the ATI which has it's own high failure rate with improper installs?
18 opgs are failing too.
So, it's just not the Intake swap between the dyno run comparisons but also long tube headers were added. That will change the HP too. That 30rwhp is not just from the CJ Intake
Glad you said it cuz I thought I was the only one who caught that. I don’t claim to know anything coyotes but this isn’t really a fair comparison
@@FbodyMackit was almost 35 but they're saying you won't see 35 hp from a ported 18 manifold on a car that already had the 18 and long tubes. The car already had cat deletes. Just long tubes and cj gained over 30 hp alot of it was the cj especially at high rpm.
Should be making close 500whp with all of those mods and the headers. Headers can free up like 40-50whp with a tune. I see 3rd gens with the same setup making that N.A and on e85. That’s an extremely conservative tune.
Incorrect. Most make 480-490
Anyone that makes 500 on stock cams is lying. or manipulating the numbers.
D Mark is my tuner. He does a nice job making those intakes.
Drew for the win!
Is this manifold better then a gt350 manifold?
Im not lowering my engine for no Cobra jet intake F that bs ! LOL
Bigdaddytrucker you could just swap your hood 🤷♂️
@@snrecon9237 not worth all money and time
People cut that black plastic liner out of their hood and it will clearance. Not 100% sure it will work on the 18-19 since the hood is lower.
Get a cheap hood cut the shape out and wrap it
Bigdaddytrucker works with stock hoods just have to do some cutting
King Daddy CJ FTW
Curious if anyone has traction control problems on there 18+ GTs with tracation and advanced track off on the street. My car every now and then will pull all power when it shifts into third gear on the street with traction and advanced turned off. Feels like my brakes slam soon as it hits 3rd gear ( A10) while running a sticky tire(Mickey Thompson street radial R w/ 16-17psi)
There is a tuner who said CJ is bad for 2011-2014 because of the heads size and the small cams ! I spent 2300$ to see a graph with no drop at the top end
Could you please tell me did I order the right parts or I had to go with the ported 2018 manifold
Note the im staying Na
CJ is kind daddy on all coyotes period.
@@YDBT4LIFE Should I go with a regular CJ est. 1k or a Ported CJ from AFS on a 2019 GT est. 1,400?
Can i run a 18 manifold with a 85mm throttle body???
Does the car vibrate at high speed or low speed
I made 474hp rear wheel on my gt350 stock and i have put 36k miles on it. Does that sound bout normal or no?
Yes
I made 480 on headers intake and e85 and when I installed cj setup I made 472 on e85 any input?
Tune needed
What else would the car need to make 500rwhp ?
How do you really feel?! Good video- thanks.
Entertaining video!
Shots fired 💥 💥
Without questioning what manifold is best, what are people with 2011-2017’s seeing gain wise with ported or even non ported 2018 manifold installs?
Mr. Excitement I picked up 8 rwhp and lost like 18 tq with a non-ported 18 manifold vs non-ported stock manifold on my 2012.
G8R 5OH uh oh. Doesn’t sound like it’s worth it then.
so no one is really getting 480-500rwhp with stock intake manifold , intake, headers, exhaust, e85 tune from lund or pbd on 10r80???
Do these fit under the stock hood?
How come vmp made a video about comparing this manifold and the 2018 manifold they perform the same for the 2011-2014? 🤷♂️ maybe on old coyotes they perform the same
ps31871 because old coyotes don’t have the better cam profiles of the gen 2 coyote
ps31871 and 2015-2017. Cj is only better on 2018-2019
How far did you lower the motor?
Of course the CJ is the king of manifolds no one is denying that. But being real here, us 11-17 guys get a hell of a value from a 2018 manifold. Even not ported.
Skullcrusher Gaming yep
But a cammed cj car will have a significant jump over an 18 manifold on a gen 1. The reason the cj don't separate as much on gen 1 cars w stock cams is because the stock cams choke it off from being able to do what it does (cj). If you have cams w both the cj will own. I seen a guy pick up 50 rwhp from cj and cams on a gen 1 car that already had an 18 manifold. That is very significant. Once you got the cams that allow the cj to do what it does it's on
Is it on E85? I’ve been seeing 500 rwhp on long tubes, CAI, stock intake, and E85 tune.
I’d expect the CJ to make another 20-30 over factory manifold so maybe 520ish rwhp with that manifold? Maybe the dyno is reading low
@@nateonfireball Or others are reading high, This dyno is super consistent, others read high, and depending on the source, not many 18 manifold cars are hitting 500 RWHP without shenanigans on the dyno, we have no dog in the parts fight, we just tune what's in front of us.
Not every dyno is the same.. one dynoyet will Read different from another dynoyet same as mustang dyno and so on.. the key is to do the tune at the same dyno as you ad parts to see true gains..I’m sure you bring that “500 whp” to pbh dyno and it will read lower
@@justa5oh136 Yep, lol it will read 480 i've had "local tuners" in west palm say they tune better and make 500 whp, then they go to pbh dyno and make 460 lol.
Alejandro Flores the problem with guys today rather go to a dyno that they know reads high but know the tuner is crap because there buddy with minimal mods blah blah blah...You need to stick with one credible tuner and not dick hop around because you’re boyfriend got higher reading somewhere else
Did u see the CAI boot collapsing on hi rpm ?
Before i even watch im going to say cobra jet intakes makes about 25 more rwhp ?