R5C CRIPPLED BY DPAFI! | This Unsubstantiated Claim Explored...
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- Опубликовано: 25 авг 2024
- Some folks are apparently incorrectly stating that the EOS R5 and R5C have different DPAF systems for video. Not true according to the spec sheets from Canon Europe, the most trustworthy Canon website I am aware of that I can read. Canon USA is often not updated.
Since people on RUclips often do not cite sources appropriately or check to see if some other person has their facts wrong, its anyone's guess as to where this information came from. The only thing I can conclude is either A: somebody misread something and is spreading false information or B: There are contradictory spec sheets floating around out there from Canon. Either way there is not proof that the DPAF systems are different between the two cameras.
The only thing I can conclude is that these cameras have the same DPAF version in video mode, as stated by the manufacturer.
Links to spec sheets:
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THE CLAIM I address is not whether one camera's auto focus system is better than the other.
I AM ADDRESSING the claim that one camera is using DPAF1 and the other is using DPAF2 in video auto focus and thus Canon is crippling the R5C.
If you have evidence, do not send me a link or vague description to an hour long video that I am expected to scrub around to find any relevant information, which, doesn't actually contradict the specification sheet from Canon. This is entirely unhelpful and a total waste of my time.
If you have EVIDENCE, it needs to be this: A body of facts which are positively indicative of, and/or exclusively concordant with one available position or hypothesis over any other.
My evidence is the official spec sheet from Canon. So unless the official spec sheet is out of date, or a lie, it can only be that the two cameras use the same DPAF version. If you cannot prove that the two cameras are using different DPAF versions in video auto focus, please avoid sending "evidence", as it will not be relevant to this rebuttal.
You are showing it in your video at 3:23. It's the same hardware in R5 and R5c, but dual pixel AF II is not implemented in the cinema line operating system, only in the photo software. The R5c is a Frankenstein camera, pieced together from two different departments, photo and cinema, and is the first of it's kind, it will of course have weird specs and limitations. Only people who have nothing better to do with their time are complaining about this, and people will find something to complain about even if it's an amazing camera.
Yes, both cameras according to Canon have the same dpaf1 used in video modes. That's what Canon's official documentation states, that they both used dpaf1. If it's different then Canon needs to update their product information.
I’m still hoping one day face/eye-detect autofocus will be able to discern that it’s the same person even when they turn their head and that an ear is not an eye. I only use AF when I have to.
I really am so sick of Canon crippling every camera, just give us a great camera holding nothing back and not for $10k.
Can we crowd fund Magic Lantern to have options for ALL Canon cameras? (to make them work properly).
Canon on several occasions have stated that they are different. Straight from the reps.
Did they say that the AF is different, or did they say specifically that DPAF1 is used in video mode for one camera and DPAF2 used in the other? I have listened to several interviews and that is not stated, just that they are different.
My understanding, so far, is that DPAF1 is used in both cameras when in video mode, only that certain other features are not available in the video mode on r5c, like animal or vehicle tracking. The assumption then made, on multiple sources reporting specifications, is that the AF is the same as the C70. Its not since the c70 does not have eye tracking etc.
According to the specifications and anything I have seen thus far does not conclude that dpaf2 is used in the r5 for video.
DPAF 1 or 2 is not some hardware that Canon installed. It's firmware. Plain and simple. Can be downloaded if need be with a mere firmware upgrade. Literally much to do about nothing. Merely photographers complaining because Canon manufactured a Cinema camera
Canon just did a stream with proav to proved this.
Proved what exactly? That the specification sheet on Canon's own website is wrong or that it is correct? Do you have some kind of evidence that it is explicitly stated that the camera works contradictory to Canon's documentation?
All I have seen so far is that preproduction models might have "less good" autofocus tracking in video modes in the r5c, but this is no indication to me that the dpaf2 is used in r5 and contradictory to its specification sheet. It likely means the software isn't complete on the r5c or the user expected to tweak settings etc.
IF Canon is officially contradicting its own documentation, they ought to correct that.
@@TonyDae check out the ProAv stream with Canon. In video mode it uses 1 in stills mode it use 2. Doesn’t for example it doesn’t use eye autofocus in video.
Spec sheets say the same modes are used in r5 and R5c. Spec sheets says video mode af includes eye AF. I show this in this video. It's likely the preproduction models don't have complete firmware. It's that or their documentation is wrong.
@@TonyDae Maybe I'm wrong about the Eye auto focus but please check out the PRoAV TV youtube at about the 58 min mark (I think) where they talk about in more depth the video autofocus differences.
@@rw3452 I watched a chunk of that segment and the only thing clear to me is that the r5c didn't perform at the level the interviewer had hoped. There could be a number of reasons for this, including that the this is a preproduction model or there are certain settings that need to be adjusted, however, what was clear is there is a lot of speculation about it and less concrete evidence of any causes.
There apparently is around 80 percent coverage for AF in video mode, but there is no indication that the documentation is incorrect in stating that eye AF is available in video mode. In fact, in both the marketing materials and spec sheets, you can see either text stating this or an image showing that eye AF is available in the r5c while shooting video. If this is all wrong, it would present a real liability for Canon as this would be blatant false advertisement.
Anybody claiming that the AF will be exactly the same between r5c and c70 in video mode cannot be right, or, the Canon materials are dead wrong. This has been either suggested or said flat out and again there is no way for both to be correct.
Interviews are only as reliable as the people involved. I rely much more heavily on reviewed and published documentation than an interview since that document is expected to be reviewed many times over and there are indeed legal ramifications for not disclosing the true details of a product accurately.
here's the info your looking for from Canon live stream. The R5 does have better AF then the R5C. ruclips.net/video/FNC4oW1djAA/видео.html
Better AF in a preproduction model and claiming that one is using DPAFI vs DPAFII in video modes are entirely different claims. The claim is NOT one camera has better AF than another, the claim is that one camera is using a different DPAF version than the other.
@@TonyDae lol okkkk. It has nothing to do with being preproduction lol. The R5 has and will have superior AF and the AF on the R5C is like the C-70 and that was most critics point about that and why they was turned off from the R5C and thats statement about the R5C AF came directly from Canon. Dont shoot the messenger shoot Canon. Have a good day Tony.
@@town3 I am sure that critics say a lot of things. Good day to you as well.
@@TonyDae Thank you 😊
Dude people are mad because it's a video camera and canon crippled it by giving us what we wanted wich was a fan and REMOVING EVERYTHING WE LOVED ABOUT THE R5 ESPECIALLY THE AMAZING AUTO FOCUS!!!!
How is the autofocus different between the two? Tony just showed you that they both have the same autofocus systems.
Dude, people are gonna be mad regardless. This happens every release from every brand I am aware of. The internet sucks.
However, the truth of the matter is what I am interested in and it is specifically the claims about DPAF versions.
@@TonyDae ur sponsored by canon or trying to get a sponsorship so of course ur gonna say this... U and me kno damn well why people are mad... 🤣This should be called the c70 hybrid same trash video auto focus with great photo capabilities
I've been very critical of Canon since the release of the R5. Behave yourself.
@@Mr.StealYoCat If you don't want it. Dont buy it. But it seems that your only goal is to try to convince others not to purchase something that they may want.