6.7 Ford Diesel |Repair YOUR P0401!!!| The right way!!!
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- Ford trucks with 6.7 EGR coolers and a P0401. Welcome back yet again!! Hit that LIKE & SUB thingy and lets get started!! I know its long, but I wanted to cover the whole entire job and to really show the in's and out's of what one might encounter when trying to do this repair. It does not always go like this, JUST so ya know. HOPE you all liked and benefit from the information PTT style, chheeers to ya!! SEE YA NEXT WEEK ✌✌
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Nice tip on the 17+ cooler core. Can you post the part number?
I will!
The 17+ cooler cores are...HC3Z-9V425-A. You can use the same gasket kit as i showed!!
Nope, not one!!!! Way more robust. More flow obviously, but im sure calibration fine tunes the flow precisely!!
Powerstroke Tech Talk w/ARod, if you were replacing the cooler core on a 2012 which way would you go? Use the O.E. style or the 17?
@@rdp2370 17 and up for sure
ARod, I had this done a few years ago on my 2011 350, It took the dealer 6 months to clear up all the service engine light that kept coming back (they finally made it right). All I can say is you're the best!! I wish I was close enough to take advantage of your Knowledge and skills! By the way, I'm sure DT Ron gave you a smile and golf clap on this one! 😊 👏
Rip DTR 👍🖐🤝😁
Before I did my egr delete I sprayed seafoam's deep creep on all the bolts the night before, the morning of, and right before we started. Those two bolts at about 18 min mark literally loosened with one hand. That deep creep is absolutely amazing and I think you should try a bottle. Way better than WD-40.
Brother!! Thanks for the video and for bringing us along for the experience in real time…
I just did mine yesterday… (2014 F350) and because of you it was a success (without any broken bolts!). I made sure I “Milwaukee’d” all my “Eight Milli’s” down good and installed all the “Gaskito’s” in properly… I am very grateful for what you do for all of us…!
Love it brotha, glad to help
Glad I don’t have one of those soot loading Is almost non existent now I changed my oil with 7K it’s nice and clean thanks for the video one of my favorite channels
Thanks so much!! Appreciate your feed back. Good to hear about your carbon loss!! 😉😉😉👍
Right after I got my 12' f350 it tossed this code, got to looking at the problem and decided to clean the cooler right on the truck, some purple power, and an aluminum tig rod, rodded down the tubes, rinsed the garbage out with water, and put back together except the exhaust tube, fired up the engine to blow out residual water, which was minimal, and finished the assembly. So, she was plugged up at 94k miles, I drove to 370k with no problem since. My truck was the victim of long idle hours, I'm sure that was the problem with the blockage.
Great video! I took mine out after 25k miles. The rear nut that holds that cable in place, that thing took me two hours to get out! I finally got it out by using a crows foot! You're the man!
Heh heh 👍👍😉😁
Nice ARod, I'm going to have this done to my 2012 6.7 next week.
Hey man, I love watching your videos on the Ford Diesels. Been binge watching your videos on these things here on my day off. I’m a former tech now service advisor at a GM dealership and honestly never really worked on any Fords. We always been oh that’s a ford blah but myself being younger than my counterparts, I do like to broaden my horizons on what I work on. I gotta say, watching your videos makes me be like well that ain’t too bad think I’ll tackle Fords on my side stuff. Heck, I’ve never owned a Ford and now I’m kinda thinking of getting a 05-07 6.0 to start! Like I said I love my GMs but dude you got my mind changed on how I think of the Fords!
Stay safe man look forward to your next videos!
Thanks so much my man. Work on Fords all day...but my garage queen is an 07 blown cammed Tahoe.....i want a duty so bad tho 😍
You are welcome man!!! Oh hell yeah I bet that Tahoe of yours scoots! 5.3liter? What’s the stats on the engine man? I daily a ‘11 Sierra 2500 Denali with the 6.0 gas that I’m tempted to put a super charger on if I don’t trade it in on a duty! Love the Denali but like I said I’m tempted bro on switching.
Email me i tell ya about her
Those are actually pretty heavy. I could see someone having an accident. You can tell you have done this job a couple times before.... good job man. Great video. Stay healthy and keep the quality content coming 🤘🏻
Thanks my doood!!👍
I Really admire your craft and patience. I just recently retired and I will have to unload my 1 owner F350 SD 90k mi, I honestly don't want to be dealing with these MAJOR repairs. I'm done, I'm going to a Tundra and not having to worry about this anymore. This scares the crap out of me. If I knew techs like yourself, I'd consider not unloading it however you have NO IDEA what I've dealt with these last few years, a Nightmare to say the least. Thanks for enlighting, I don't need the stress and enjoy my retirement. Adios.
If u ever get tired of that sickle slangin' tunda...reaper, YOU KNOW WHERE IM @, ENJOY your time post work!
Don't get me wrong, I love my f350 however I'm actually worried, i have no external warranty and have 90k on it, should i not be? The post i see all have had MAJOR repairs w a heavy repair pricetag.
All dealerships and techs I've dealt with, ALL take for a ride, they scare the day lights out of me, no crap. My trucks looks and drives like new, I maintain it myself due to these shops I've dealt with. I'd seriously drive and bring my truck to you I'd needed without and hesitation or concern, you seem trustworthy and I'd bring my truck to.you. thank you.
Bring it thru, EVERYONE IS!!!!
Glad to know that I'm not the only one who has had it run rough after that repair.
Thanks for stickin around till then end!
just bought my first 6.7 f350 2012. doing the EGR tomorrow thanks for your video..
Watch my MOST updated 1 before you do!!!
U know it’s a good day when those 2 bolts don’t break 😂
Hey brother I love to watch your work. your are a master 👍👍. I got a 14 6.7 with like 57 thousand miles and hardly any idle time. I have-a edge insight just to monitor things and alway do a full regen either forced or just run it. am I look at this soon. 5000 mile oil changes and 10,000 fuel filter. I keep it so clean u could swear it was just off the lot.
This video was extremely helpful! This video gave me the confidence and the knowledge to change my egr cooler myself thank you.
Hey pal, thanks for the kind remarks!
lol.. change your egr - sure.. change to an invisible one.. lol
Badass I don't use a torque wrench either when I worked as a heavy line mechanic for Gm back-n-the day u do get to know your tools my job I have now as a heavy equipment mechanic Milwaukee is BADASS 👍
Well said brother!
Nice shoutout to dieseltechron, you earned a sub:)
All day baby!!!
I like the step by step , with the luck I have , I would've snapped one of the egr bolts. Good video ARod thanks
Lol thanks buddy
A little tip on holding the upper intake bolts. Pull the bolt up and stick a zip tie down next to the bolt to hold it up.
Ehhhh no need for that...all u need is a jiggle
@@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod it falls right in if you do. No jiggle jiggle required.
I had it run ruff after taking the intake off I thought a chunk of soot got sucked into the intake valves and my heart dropped. Then it stopped and all was right in the world, a butterfly came flying in and landed on my shoulder singing we jammin. Well not that last part.
You the man bro. One of your best videos yet and you know I've seen them all! I feel like you could be the next powerstroke repair guy. Bill better watch out ha. People coming from all over to have you fix their trucks. They trust you and you do fantastic work.
Questions... Did you have reset anything with the IDS to let the ECU know it had a new EGR?
Second that valve looked caked af why didn't you wash that out as well or knock some of that junk out?
Thanks buddy.....id did reset the values. I did t cuz its gonna happen right away, anywayz. See you tonite!!!
Love the videos man definitely appreciate how technical you get with them!!
Thanks for ya feed back 👍😉
Thank you good sir! You are a gentleman and a scholar. I am about to take on this job myself and this video makes the process crystal clear. Just praying I don't snap an EGR bolt haha. God bless good sir.
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Fantastic very detailed video with all the helpful hints. Thanks so much!!!!
I love your patience
Did my egr cooler and soaked both bolts for a month and they came right out. Did not remove my intake either. Was a pretty easy removal.
Thanks 4 sharing
Well, I have just replaced my EGR cooler core. 2014 F-350 SWB SRW Platinum. I am still putting it back together and I wanted to take some notes while I am rewatching to make sure I don't forget anything. I unfortunately snapped the outboard EGR exhaust bolt (This is the one that usually snaps), and I got it part way out when it snapped. I used croil, and heat, working it back and forth, and it just finally let go. Tried welding a nut to the bolt, and it just wouldn't work, the titanium won't weld well with normal welding rod. And so I ended up overnighting a ProMaxx 6.7L EGR repair kit to drill and tap it out, from the good people at Freedom Racing Tool and Auto, LLC. IF you need a kit they overnight for about $60. BTW, very important: Buy spare drill bits for the larger sizes, just in case!! Especially if time is a factor. Drilling the titanium bolt is a lot like drilling a stainless bolt: you NEED slow RPMs, good steady pressure (but not too much, especially with the smallest bits, and with the largest bit. GO SLOW. You need to drill all the way to the depths that it calls for, or the threaded insert will not go in all the way. I also am using copper never seize (2000 F degree) on those damn bolts, And I am using a 2017 EGR cooler core. Next time the damn thing comes off, it will be a delete... !! Also, I can say I will be adding the CCV bypass/catch can (did you see the oil caking??), and a CP4 kit later this year (X-mas I think).
So, anyone need a once-used EGR repair kit will a full set of new bits, and ofc the full set of once-used bits???
Update: Its back running, fired right up. I had disconnected my batteries, and while hooking them back up, the lights and flashers sort of went crazy for a second. Startled the crap out of me. Fired right up, no rough idle. During idling, as it warmed up it went to a high idle, no big deal. I tried to keep an eye on coolant levels, and I may have been a little slow keeping the secondary loop topped off. The interior display threw the orange wrench icon at me, I had a pending code of engine air inlet temp too warm, cleared it, went away. After a while, the orange wrench came back, no code. I can clear it with my OBD2 reader, but then the wrench comes back after a minute. I am wondering if, since the batts were disconnected for so long, that all the data and memory is gone, its resetting itself? Is it safe enough to drive? I didn't have any codes except the P0401 before.... any ideas? I found that a couple of my intake bolts were loose, tightened them. Double checked everything else, everything tight and where it is supposed to be
We wld have to diag it.
@@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod Well, after I shut it off, I decided to chance it and I went and drove it around the block (6.5 miles is my country block lols), twice. NO WRENCH ICON. Remote started, 13 mile test drive A-OK. I will see how it goes, but looks good to me. MPG went up lols. My cooler insert was completely clogged. I also cleaned as much of the caked on oil/carbon from the intake manifold and ports as possible, vacuumed it all out. I will be doing the CCV kit and the CP04 kit later this year. Thanks ARod!! You make some really great videos. IF you ever need some highly technical welding advice, I am a Certified Welding Inspector.
Thank u sir
I met Sr master tech aka rusty Bunn we were both from Oklahoma we met in Dearborn when we won the 2012 pts performance challenge awesome guy def a die hard diesel guy he moved to Nevada and sadly passed from cancer
Poor guy i know. He met another dude i talk with joediesel187. Couple a cool cats
nice video , gonna finish up this job monday ,
Hope I never have to.that is why we have you guys
Those lights are sick. I kinda stole the one you sent my wife. Thanks for the content
🤣😂😭 glad she.....you like it!!! Hope you both are well.
We a great! Hope you and your family are well too!
Man what a job wonder why I paid almost 5k to have a new egr and ac compressor replaced on my 2014 f250 salute to you arod your a goat 🐐 man wish you. Wher closers to me we need more good mechanics like u in the game
Pppppreciate chu
Decent! There might be a 17 joining the powerstroke family soon😏👍
Hell yea!!
Awesome video! I get anxious just looking at those two bolts
new to your channel is this called hard line work at a dealer looking forward to see more
Yea bud for sure. Stay tuned pal....hot 🔥💯 channel str8 up!!
You make it look easy. But I bet it's not. I might be able to take this on. Hopefully not for a long time.
Clean install 👍 made it look easy
In an unrelated question to this video…
What are your thoughts on your modification/replacement products between H&S and SPE?
Any difference on quality, price, or reputation and your experience with either? Thanks for your great
instruction videos and updates, really enjoy. 👌🇺🇸
Thee only thing I'd be worried about is that 3 lettered acronym..all I gotta say
Another Quality lesson my man. Thank you so much for a great video just hope I don’t have to do that too soon.
your the man even pay it forward to mr ron thank you
I do all the time RIP my friend. Just talked to his son last week!!
Heck yeah bro ski. You made that look too easy. I used the hand impact that you recommended on the egr pipe bolts and they came out easy peasy!! I did it with only 8,000 miles, not sure if that helped.
Hell yea bud👍
I almost want to say it runs rough because of disconnecting all those wire harnesses and sensors without disconnecting the batteries. good video though. i did this myself, actually is not too bad of a job when it goes right. mine is also a 2014, my manifold bolts thankfully did not snap at 70,000 miles
Yea do it now without removing the pipe. Ill never remove again!!
When you plug the computer into some of these trucks your heart must sink when you see the codes and realize this one is going to put a hurting on the old back...
Yea, and my paws
Hello
Thank you for these in depth repair and / or replacement videos. I noticed when installing the bolts you apparently do not start to thread by hand prior to using cordless ratchet or drill. Do you frequently strip the bolts? Also how do you know when the bolts are tighten to spec? Thank you for your help!
No...i do not strip bolts. 21 yr vet...i know my tools 🙋♂️ no issues ever
I was cursing at those two bolts for you from the beginning of the vid. I have put hatred for those thing.
Hello, you make this stuff look easy, got a 2011 with 6.7, ford just sent a directive about egr cooler plugging, this truck has 170,000 on it. It almost has to be partially plugged, they say will only fix if p 401 code???. What if it doesn't????
Yes it needs a cooler brotha
Do you have a video on diagnosing this? To know its definitely clogged and needs this job done?
If it is a 11-16....u need a cooler core... end of story
How come you didn’t clean the carbon buildup on that end piece before you put it back on? It looked like it was packed full.
No need too...gonna happen right away anyway.....🤷♂️
Excellent content AROD!!!!! Keep up the excellence!
Thanks appreciate your positive feedback 🤝👍
Nice video ARod.... When I get a fine new 6.7 whip, I'm sure I'll need this done at some point.... You make it look pretty easy for sure! How many of these babies have you done you think?
Oooooo weee......1, 2, 3.....i cant count that high
My 2016 powerstroke has less than 37,000 miles and runs great! I do not have any DTCs to indicate reduced gas flow in the EGR, but I would like to do some preventative maintenance so I can be confident that when I am pulling my fifth wheel camper there is one less thing to be concerned with. What are your thoughts on replacing the egr cooler before a DTC occurs? Note that at least half of the total miles are winter driving in Fairbanks.
Hmmmmmmm
Yes I get it.
Excellent one again. Thanks bro.
Great video! I’m thinking I need this for my 2012 f350 with 100,000 miles?
This man is bad AZZ!!!
So iv watch people take the bolts out from exhaust manifold the ones that break they heat up that area u know blue/yellow portable tanks or torch just an FYI then spray lube in there 🤔
Have done it multiple ways if they're gonna break they're gonna break🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
Nicely done!
i had the P0401 code on my 2014 at about 116000 miles. ford couldn't schedule the repair in time for a trip, so i took it to a local, trusted, heavy diesel mechanic. He did the cleaning (flushing?) process, but didn't remove/replace the egr cooler canister. the engine has run fine, code free, for about 4000 miles since. Should i have the EGR repaired as you instruct anyhow? i have another long trip, with camper, coming up and don't want trouble. Your video was great! Thanks
If you had a 401 in an 11-16....for sure a cooler. Id out the 17-19 cooler guts in if your gonna pull it apart..
@@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod I'm not sure I understand. you would definitely replace the canister, but use the updated part from 2017 + models?
Yes sir!
Great detail awesome job thanks!
At 75,000 miles my 21014 truck needed this done. Also had death wobble that dealer couldn’t figure out. Local tire store said steering was worn out. They replaced all steering components and realignment. Next, DEF heater failed. Now it has an emissions issue and only goes 50 mph. It also says engine over heat if I go more than 5 mikes from my house. The truck has only 108,000 miles and can’t use it. What a piece of junk. I hate the truck and have been driving a 1984 GMC with a 12 valve mechanical pump Cummins. At least I understand the old technology. All this computer stuff really irritates me, especially Ford’s seat belt dinger!
Arod, have you tried Milwaukees 12 volt stubby impact. That thing is the shit. Good work as usual.
Gottttt it!!!
Thanks for the Video Arron. I just ordered the parts to do mine. I have 198,000 miles first time. Is that normal?
Thats great
Ja. Ja. Exselente trabajo. Amigo. Nice video good
Bravo
My Brother-in-law had his EGR Cooler replaced, the tech at the dealership (a Ford dlr shop) broke that bolt to the manifold. They charged him $1,800 in labor to fix it! Is it normal to charge the customer if the dealership breaks the bolt! And, that is a hell of a lot of labor cost for that! Oh, it was a 2012 F350 6.7L with 22,000 miles on it!
Yes if that bolt breaks...as you saw...why would u think we wld remove or repair for free....? Not how it works pal. That labor is high.
@@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod Thank you for the reply, I appreciate the quick response. I know that labor of course is expensive but when you said "that labor is high" are you saying that the $1,800 they charged him seems excessive? My impression is that it is! Thanks
Wow , good job
try heating with brazing tip on your next egr removal only heat manifold not bolt.
Dont remove the pipe!🤔
Talking about two bolts that hold egr pipe to manifold that several people have had issues with
Yea i know. Dont remove the pipe to do the cooler. Ill never remove it again.......is what i was saying...
@@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod oh 👌
You talked about Diesel Tech Ron & I believe Rusty-Bun @ about 20 min mark. Do you have link to Rusty-bun.....enjoy you vids & like more on 6.0
Rusty bun is seniormastertech on youtube
Thanks yes cool job.
Put anti seize on them when you go back with them
Why did you remove the intake. You don't need to do that unless the bolts break on the exhaust manifold. Also I always us a penatrating oil for several heat cycles on those manifold bolts.
I removed the intake because you are supposed to. I cant show you all, ALL my trix....
Yeah it’s weird it’s a 2013 and it has 77,000 miles on it do you know what else it could be? You can hit the pedal and it’s like nothing really happens and if you hold it in the same spot in the power or acceleration catches up to it I don’t know house to describe it. But when they ran the code and gave this one that you have in your video. It says replace the EGR valve.?
You'll have 2 email me & pay me for my time. My content is free, my diag time is not. Im sure a man of your profession could understand....
Awesome job well explain thank you your the man
Subscribed! Fantastic job on video!
Thanks so much!! Share me around
@@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod will do
Mine is a 2014 has 88, 000 currently, I really hope I don't have to do this
What is the cost to do this on a 2020 superduty? I know bullet proof diesel makes an aftermarket egr cooler, i would like to do emissions on tunning and supposedly it helps the truck run a little cleaner.
good video snug snap 😆😆😆😆
Isn’t that filter minder a concern? Looks like it’s restricted, I’ve had that throw false EGR codes
John Kuchera this right here ^^.
Excellent video im getting this code now. Im afraid this might be beyond my mechanical no how tho.
Yea......this can be a bugger..if u havent done it. Ive modified how i do it now. We dont remove the egr up pipe any more, so dont have 2 worry about that breaking
@@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod Dang You answer Quick! I just emailed you LOL! Do you have Have a link where you dont remove the pipe? Thanks for the quick response.
@@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod You just earned another follower!
👍🤝🤝🤝🤝 no bull shit here on dis channel partner. EVERY ONE gets responded too or deleted hahaha....i dont have 1
how ever....just dont remove the pipe n ull see
Is it inevitable that all 6.7s will clog up the egr cooler at some point, or does pulling heavy loads with little idle time truly keep them cleaner?
Parta burnin a fossil fuel......by product.............carbon
Lucky13 Farm I don’t see many GM but Ford and Ram have bunches running with 100k plus and no issues. This is for some ranchers hauling trailers almost every mile and office commuters. I see some super heavy haulers and short trippers with issues and lots of company trucks no one ever turn off-idling trucks. Some dealers and shops push cooler cleaning services but it, for me, is too few with issues and I wait till they have a problem.
86 them cleaners.........BAD stuff
PowerStroke Tech Talk w/ARod
I’m not trying to troll your channel. I am genuinely asking, in your opinion, does it make a big difference running the 6.7 harder ?
@@acerhillfarm4245 Yes these engines were designed to RUN especially with emission equipment intact. Idling,short trips,stop and go driving,etc. is not good. You'd better off towing 10k pound or more every day down the interstate then sitting in traffic or lobbing along.
realy nice work. its looks hard to do it
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Why would anybody put the smaller hold heat exchanger in if the big one will work? Also is this a normal part to go bad? And if so what mileage?
Read the comments....
Yah baby we're in! mines a 14 20 K Nothin so far! What's the number for the newer guts?
Email me
The part number is HC3Z-9V425-A
@@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod GGGRRREEEAAATTT! Thank you!!!
Great Video! Would it be okay to use high temp never seize on the exhaust bolts or is that a no no?
I did. I mentioned it in the vija
question why don,t you remove and check operation of bypass valve.
..because i verify bypass operation via scan tool and other inputs...
Do you reccomend replacing the EGR valve as long as you have it taken apart to replace the cooler?
I had a mechanic tell me it was essential to have the EGR valve replaced at the same time.
I have watched several EGR cooler replacement videos and nobody was replacing the valve.
Ur mechanic is wrong...
$5.95 diesel Tucson Arizona today
Is it worth putting anti-seize on the bolts before you install back so if there is ever a problem you can take off eazy
I did, i mentioned it there in the vid
You said the 2017 core can be used in place of the earlier core, but do you need to change anything else? Do you still use the gasket kit for the 2011-2014?
Yes sir!!!!!
I got a 2019 6.7 with 47k miles. Doesnt idle much but doesnt get driven on long trips or tow heavy loads. Most work it does is plow snow. The p0401 code appeared just before a major snow storm last winter, dealer ssid fine to use it. Well light went out on dash a day later. Since then it comes on every so often and goes out on its own after a couple of days. Do you think the cooler needs cleaned? Seems if it was plugged the light would stay on? Other than the dash light being on, truck runs excellent.
2019 is NOT the cooler.
@@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod What do you think could be the cause?
"Repairea" new coined word, = repair area
How many idle hours vs run hours on this vehicle do you remember?
Everyday pickup..more driving than idling...
where are you at an, can you do my 2014 f350 truck
Yes, in DETROIT see you soon
Good afternoon! I have a 2015 6.7l was wondering if the gasket kit for the 14 is the same for 15-16?
Update: found for 2015: FC3Z9P455B. They don't look different but I bought it anyway to make sure.
Shld b bc3z 9p455 b
Have you ever used Aero Kroil for those pesky bolts. It’s an incredible penetrant.
Yea...man they gonna break they gonna break. Damned if you do damn if you dont. I do not remove the pipe any more....problem solved
WOW That 17+ Core Wasn't a small change in design Was it, That should fix alot of problems.
Have you seen this code on newer 6.7? We have a 19 6.7 setting same egr code. We replaced the cooler core. And MAF and still sets the same code. Truck only has about 55k miles. The egr bypass and valve appear to function as the should. The cooler had some build up but not much.
R u resetting the egr and maf values??
@@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod No sir, i forgot to mention we first reflashed the pcm due to a tsb. Before egr cooler core replacement. Are you refer to resetting each valve with ids? Such as when reset KAM? We not tried that yet.
Reset EGR & MAF counters in the toolbox tab, then service functions..etc. give dat a whirl
Ok. Will give it a try and keep you posted. Thank you
I had a small update. I reset Maf value and cleared dtc. But i did notice something on the dtc freeze frame/snapchat. The EGR Temperature Sensor 1,2 was reading 23 degrees F. This temperature didn't seem to make sense. Is this refering to the sensor on the exhaust pipe going into lower intake? Ambient temp was 89 degrees, ECT 1 was 188 degrees, truck was moving at 10mph. EGR temp sensor 1,1 was reading 80 degrees. I'm guessing it uses egr inlet and outlet temps to determine flow? What would be your take?
But the world didn't stop spinning.....you forgot to unhook the battery! Oh no......its gonna short out and blow up don't ya know!!!!@ hahahaha love the fact that an actual mechanic didn't disconnect......always thought it was bullshit....if you know wtf your doing....it can't hurt a dahm thing!
For the exhaust pipe bolts is it possible to get the torch in there to keep them from breaking?
Have done em both wayz. Broke em both wayz toooo
If there is so much problems with those EGR bolts is there some aftermarket alternative with superior performance???
Dont think so..