The ZL1 is my car, thank you for the kind comments. The Gtx actually broke after the second race. My car is a clone and I built it for pure stock. I drive it on the street and put over 1,000 miles a year on it just going to the local cruises. The car started life as a 4 speed. When I put the automatic in it, it picked up 6/10ths and 4 mph, it goes to show you that a 4 speed is tough with polyglas tires.btw, I made 24 passes in the 2 days of this race! Beat it like it owes you money.
Good for you brother not everybody enjoys them so many people near me have them in garages and I mean never take them out not even to a show I have a six pack Challenger perfect interior sure could use paint and also needs the rubber wiped off the rear quarter panels every time I take it out I let it rip at least once
@@goneshootin61 did you not pay attention to the part where he said it did have a four-speed, but this car is specifically for pure stock racing so he put the automatic transmission in place because it is quicker? and you have to run stock appearing tires. How about this, build your own ZL1 however you like.
@@mitchroberts2457 Yeah but it's not pure stock anymore when he swapped for a automatic ! Polyglas tires suck street or strip ! Probably would've been just as quick with a 4 speed and radial tires !
@@goneshootin61 You do realize the ZL1 had an automatic transmission option so you can use that according to Pure Stock rules, right? Since you obviously don't, read the video description box. And no, a 4-speed ZL1 will run SLOWER with radial tires because the 60 foot will worsen. Bias-ply are best in that situation because of the side-wall wrinkle increasing launch potential.
I’m a Chevy guy but when it comes to a 67 GTX the gentleman’s muscle car with a Hemi I’m in amazing to see this rare car out racing and giving people joy what it was meant to do.
Gotta hand it to the owners of these very expensive and rare cars drag racing them. I get a lot of enjoyment watching these videos that are done very well.
I have to respect how that full steel body Plymouth with a mass produced assembly line Hemi engine was able to run with what is a specially built experimental exotic race engine in a light pony car body Camaro. A fair head to head would have been a Hemi Dart. Love that GTX.
@@markdubois4882 actually 10.9 was the average time but it was pretty much a race ready car. Knock the zl1 camaro down to the darts weight and then we will talk.
@@Brandon_093 nice try child. The darts were a solid 10.2 with crappy rubber. Btw ...the 426 in the dart was rated at 535 go....dynoed at 609....and at 2980 pounds....decent rubber puts the Hemi darts into the 9s.
I owned a factory new 1967 GTX the same color. It had a 440ci 4 barrel 4 speed. It ran about 13.1 seconds. Wish I still had it. Still one of my all time favorites.
OMG this is my favorite channel ever ! I was born in 66' and we had a 69' Dodge Coronet with the 383 2 barrel carb with the 727 Torque flite transmission and it was a great car..my parents sold it in 76' when it was getting harder to find leaded gas here in Texas,so they say..I believe they knew that car turned me into a muscle car lover forever even at the young age and knew if I got it I would be hopping it up and drag racing the **** out of it.. I went to work young at 14 and was already saving for my 1st car which was a 67' SS Camaro..man these videos are making me jones for another muscle car from the in my opinion best years ever..I ended up building the SS up and of course racing it every time I drove it..then I bought a 68' Charger with a 340 that the guy got an original 6 pack intake and carbs off I guess it was a wrecked AAR Challenger..but that car was awesome too..then more Camaros and even a big block 79' Trans Am..so damn these videos are just so awesome..I will watch every video I can find of yours and spend endless hours watching them.. Thank you for these videos !
Thanks for these races. Absolutely awesome! That '67 Belvedere GTX is outstanding! I like the battle with '70 Road Runner. Take a Mopar to catch a Mopar;-)
@@Artificial_Dopamine Thanks for the feedback. Camaro ZL1 was made mainly as racing special (NHRA or AHRA). Only 69 pieces and super rare car. '67 Belvedere GTX is a primarily street car with a "racing engine"
@@Artificial_Dopamine If you take the GTX's fastest ET vs the ZL1's fastest, you'd see that these cars were far more evenly matched than you think. 11.94 (ZL1) vs 11.97 (GTX against the Roadrunner.)
I'm a Chevy guy and always dreamed about the ZL1 but I also love the 66-67 Hemi GTX! I'll take one of each! (thought I saw some smoke from the right tailpipe on the ZL1? )
I was a fortunate guy to own both sorta 427ci but not a ZL1. Both cars I want back today!!! Young and stupid sold em both because of love afairs, stupid I know! The only negative thing I can think of was the seats of the GTX were like sitting on cement, and neither one were too good for mileage in 1976 (gas crunch). Didn't buy em for comfort of gas mileage! Lol!
4:56 gears in the hemi makes it almost unstreetable for daily driving. 4:10 streetable. I drove my 67' Ford F100 6'bed Stepside with a 4:11 rear everyday and on highway trips for well over 10 years. My 69' Road Runner was only running 3:23 gears.
Clash of the Titans! Two legendary rides...it all came down to the difference in weight..maybe a better matchup would have been a lighter Hemi 'Cuda or Challenger.The GTX still held it's own, though.. Gotta love that 429, but the Mustangs sure did get ugly in '71, imo. Thanks for posting!
I agree about the later Mustangs. They lost that pony car look and weighed more. Plus, the 428 was a better engine than the 429. I am a Mopar man so anything Hemi gets me aroused.😂
Absolutely love the old muscle cars. I was lucky enough to catch the late 60's and early 70's cars before the "pollution" engines took over. Nothing better than the tire burn outs and the roar of any of those muscle car engines, regardless if your a Mopar, Chevy, or Ford enthusiast ! Those were great times, glad the interest in these cars is returning!!
When I was a kid in the mid 80's in Topeka Kansas ... believe it or not, some Dad let his Daughter drive one of these to Topeka High ... I was it in the parking lot a few times and as I walked past it and saw the 426 Hemi badge, I stopped and couldn't believe me eyes. For the rest of my senior year I purposely walked thru the gym doors to where she parked just for another chance at seeing this car. I saw it 3 times. It was a rootbeer brown color.
In 1967, I ordered a Camaro with a 396/325 hp. When I went to the bank for the loan, the loan officer said they don’t loan money for hot rods. I left the bank, drove 1 mile to the Plymouth dealer, and left with a 67 GTX 440 automatic. The reason the first bank would not loan $$ for the Camaro was it had 4 speed transmission.
My first ever brand new car was a 69 Camaro. I wanted a Z but I had the same problem as you only it was with my insurance company, they wouldn’t insure anything with a 4 speed or anything considered high performance. I was only 20. I settled for a 307 3 speed. It didn’t stay a 3 speed long and I went to work on that 307.
@@bradzimmerman3171 Funny you say that. I owned a 1969 Camaro and a 1973 Dodge Challenger. Every time I see a 70-74 Barracuda or a Challenger etc. my first thought is- 'it's a 69 Camaro'. Chrysler/Plymouth/Dodge clearly copied that body style. Your not fooling me, you'd take one in a heartbeat. I now have a 67 Firebirds 400 4spd. The reality is, they are all fun to drive.
I know I don't have the means to have that car, but if I did; driving it would be my only reason to own it and that includes what it was made for: Racing!
I think i speak for half of the comment section when i say both of these cars are beautiful icons of american automotive history, and both are badass rides that we all would love to own.
I'm a Dodge Fan. Anyway it's not only a race about American School muscle cars. In my understanding, it's more for than that. It's an American style of life.
Gorgeous Plymouth looking like factory mint. And wow, that engine too. If I didn't know anything about engines, I'd still know that's not some regular V8. This Camaro is beautiful inside and out. To actually own a ZL1 like this would be an honor.
I owned a '67 GTX 426 Hemi back in the mid 70's. What a fun car, uncomfortable as hell! Think I could have put concrete blocks in for seats and been better..,......but I could beat anything I ran across on the street. But like someone else posted, I could pass anything but a gas pump, 6-9 mpg. But I liked the car.
69 Dart GTS with the 440 Magnum: 640 produced. Low 12s in the 1/4 with the tiny tires. 68 HEMI Dart: Need I say more? 10.2 in the 1/4 with the tiny tires.
I had a 68 427 390hp vette, and raced a GTX 440 on an impromptu back road street race. fI won, but it was close thru 3 gears. When we pulled over; we were both had the hearts racing.. I was impressed with the GTX. Then the surprise. A sleeper with a Semi. If he had a four speed instead of torquflight he would have been grinning bigger.
I watch this channel a lot. It kills me that the stands are always virtually empty. When I used to go to the races in the 1960s and 1970s at raceway Park Englishtown NJ, there wasn't a empty seat. 30,000 plus people every single race day. Same thing in the 1980s when I moved to Los Angeles at Pomona and Palmdale racetracks. Standing room only. Always
I knew a few guys who worked with the big Hemi at the proving grounds. They said the 426 would dyno at 500 hp all day long. I have to believe the same would have to be true with the Chevrolet 427. Those Chrysler big blocks had the hole shot, but big block Chevrolets sure could make high end power.
Very cool video 👍 your car is a dream come true. Me I ll just have to get buy with my Z71 Silverado which has never ever lost to a Hemi Dodge truck. In fact my bicycle will pull ahead of Dodge trucks at traffic lights.
, a fully stock ZL1 engine produced "only" around 470 gross hp, and 376 net hp, which is consistent with one of the only tests done to a car in stock condition, the one from High Performance Cars who got a 13.1 1/4 at 110mph, all those 11.8,11.6 and more crazy times were made by cars tuned and modified for the dragstrip.
@@stefanovichmichael9686 the Hemi in the dart is not a street Hemi to begin with. It's the drag version which has nearly 150 HP more than the street Hemi. Not only that, it weighs only 2980 pounds Get educated CHILD!
@@chadhaire1711 Cupcake......I wasn't talking about the street version to begin with. It would help if you would actually read what I posted properly. Child.....first car I worked on was back in 1977.....a Z-11 1963 Impala SS
In 1966, in my high school, they’re were mustangs, Camaros,chevelles, corvette’s! I couldn’t have or my dad afford one ! But the 390 mustangs, 396 chevys, snd one 427 corvette, the corvette was absolutely the fastest car in my city! Until a boy got a Plymouth Satellite with a 426/2,4barrels ! They can have these drag races online but l actually saw results in person! The satellite couldn’t be touched! They’re was a 390 high performance comet cyclone that was number two! It was close but they were Camaros, Chevelles , Corvette and the two fastest cars around were the Cyclone, and the Satellite! The satellite stood alone at the top!
Goodday C & Z, That is some serious & great racing all round thoroughly enjoyed it. Your number 1 Fan in Australia Louis Kats from Melbourne Australia ☺ 👍 ❤
The chrome exhaust tips on the gtx are on wrong, they are right's and left's that point outwards. It is a real hemi gtx built in September of 1966. Very nice car that went 11.40s on Saturday, earlier Saturday and Friday hitting the brakes so he wouldn't get kick out.
My grandfather had one of the GTX same year with all those same options and year hardtop also. I don’t know they only made 48 of those, He has pasted on now but I want to try and find his original car would any of you know how to find it..I’ve tried with his name but no luck.
On the first run I could hear the GTX spit and sputter a little bit. I wonder if he had the ignition timing a little too hot. It ran better on the second run 2/10 of a second quicker.
When people street race their cars back in the 60,s most cars did not have electronic ignitions. These engines being shown now preform the engine to its true ability with the electronic ignition. I remember listening to the misfire of the motors as they left the favorite parks they gather at in the summer and the McDonalds Restaurant at night in the old neighborhood. Those were the good old days.
Tons of them were used in racing. As far as Chrysler itself, idk. Chrysler Corp was very pro bullet proof and bang for the buck.. Aluminum did not figure into much, back then. Their 1st regular production, all aluminum mill was I think the later iterations of the 3.5L V6, as used in cars like the 300M, Prowler, Intrepid, Concorde etc. The slant six showed up early on in aluminum block form, but ofc iron was the main deal through it's near 30 yr run.
Hemi obviously backed off at the top of the first run. Second run not so obvious, but given its 115 mph trap speed in the time trial vs. the 109 mph in the second run against the Camaro, he backed off a bit in the second run, too. Typical bracket racer strategy to do so when you're winning to avoid breaking out. Camaro still had a slightly higher trap speed, best ET's of both cars pretty much the same.
One thing should be pointed out here. The showroom stock drags pair competitive cars in eliminations, based on their time trial times. So the cars running in eliminations will run very close because otherwise they would be running something else. Sandbagging during the time trials is discouraged by disqualifying anyone who runs more than a very small amount faster than they did during time trials. So, it's fun to watch but it's a mistake to draw broad conclusions from any one pair of cars. I like both of these. I own a Street Hemi myself - I drove it home when Dad bought it in 1970, and I've owned it myself since 1984.. I love it, but showroom stock to showroom stock I feel quite confident a ZL-1 Camaro would outrun it because, if nothing else, it's several hundred pounds lighter. Plus, my car is truly stock except for 4.10 gears. Read through the showroom stock rules and you realize they have a fair amount of leeway, especially compression ratio and cams (so long as total duration and lift is close to stock, which says nothing about the rate of lift or the area under the curve). I will say that some of the guys in F.A.S.T and even the so-called "showroom stock" classes sure know how to tune a Hemi. This "stock" one is significantly faster than mine. And some of the F.A.S.T Hemis are making over 800 hp with OEM intake, carbs, heads and exhaust manifolds.
The 426 street Hemi was rated at 425 horsepower from the factory. This Chrysler dyno sheet from decades ago and this close-to-stock dyno session of a new 426 Hemi both put the gross horsepower rating at about 470 horsepower without full exhausts and other engine-driven accessories.
I get tired of hearing ppl talk about how much quicker these cars are than when new. I was a teen in the 70s...got my drivers license in 74. By that time, these cars weren't new anymore and they weren't rare yet. Warranty meant nothing. Rare meant nothing because they weren't yet. We didn't give a damn about a "stock" label. It was run what you brung. Guys my day were building the shit out of these cars with every speed parts available then. We used fat L50 tires or better...(Road Huggers were THE tires when I was a tire man back then). We street raced mostly. I've seen plenty of cars with motors built in the back yard, covered with a tarp until we could finish, pull the front tires leaving the red light. I don't remember quarter mile times so much...we didn't have a drag strip near me...but I can well imagine 10s from these same cars back then...by shade tree mechanics. I never had a nice garage to work on cars. None of us did. We laid on our back in the dirt, pulled engines with a comealong from a tree limb. That's the way it was done by most back then. And we would blow the doors off most of these cars. I said all that to say that Gary is probably around 65.
...Ford & GM muscle by now would be unheard of, as far as events like this, sans after market parts that far exceed original quality. Vintage Mopars running today would be rare enough. The amount of wheel hop Ford & Chevy muscle had back in the day was crazy & the drive trains generally were not up to taking year after year of hard driving, much less decades, now.
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Man the Plymouth just looks like a family car until you look under that hood and see that 426. Beautiful Car.
Absolutely incredible match up! Two of the best and rarest muscle cars ever made.
The ZL1 is my car, thank you for the kind comments. The Gtx actually broke after the second race. My car is a clone and I built it for pure stock. I drive it on the street and put over 1,000 miles a year on it just going to the local cruises. The car started life as a 4 speed. When I put the automatic in it, it picked up 6/10ths and 4 mph, it goes to show you that a 4 speed is tough with polyglas tires.btw, I made 24 passes in the 2 days of this race! Beat it like it owes you money.
You should've put in a muncie m22 4 speed instead and lose the polyglas tires !
Good for you brother not everybody enjoys them so many people near me have them in garages and I mean never take them out not even to a show I have a six pack Challenger perfect interior sure could use paint and also needs the rubber wiped off the rear quarter panels every time I take it out I let it rip at least once
@@goneshootin61 did you not pay attention to the part where he said it did have a four-speed, but this car is specifically for pure stock racing so he put the automatic transmission in place because it is quicker? and you have to run stock appearing tires. How about this, build your own ZL1 however you like.
@@mitchroberts2457 Yeah but it's not pure stock anymore when he swapped for a automatic ! Polyglas tires suck street or strip ! Probably would've been just as quick with a 4 speed and radial tires !
@@goneshootin61 You do realize the ZL1 had an automatic transmission option so you can use that according to Pure Stock rules, right? Since you obviously don't, read the video description box. And no, a 4-speed ZL1 will run SLOWER with radial tires because the 60 foot will worsen. Bias-ply are best in that situation because of the side-wall wrinkle increasing launch potential.
Man oh man!! I loves me a 426H GTX!!❤️
I’m a Chevy guy but when it comes to a 67 GTX the gentleman’s muscle car with a Hemi I’m in amazing to see this rare car out racing and giving people joy what it was meant to do.
me too great comment
Gotta hand it to the owners of these very expensive and rare cars drag racing them. I get a lot of enjoyment watching these videos that are done very well.
Amen, Brother!
Two iconic beasts!
Doing what they were made to do.Love both cars.
I have to respect how that full steel body Plymouth with a mass produced assembly line Hemi engine was able to run with what is a specially built experimental exotic race engine in a light pony car body Camaro. A fair head to head would have been a Hemi Dart. Love that GTX.
The Hemi dart would have roasted that Camaro.
@@markdubois4882 that’s funny
@@Brandon_093 The HEMI Dart was a 10.2 second car right off the lot with crappy tires.
@@markdubois4882 actually 10.9 was the average time but it was pretty much a race ready car. Knock the zl1 camaro down to the darts weight and then we will talk.
@@Brandon_093 nice try child.
The darts were a solid 10.2 with crappy rubber. Btw ...the 426 in the dart was rated at 535 go....dynoed at 609....and at 2980 pounds....decent rubber puts the Hemi darts into the 9s.
Couple of rare cars there. Glad to see them getting used the way they were intended!
@Kirk Wolfe me thinks it's Hardie Ferodo
@Kirk Wolfe these cars weren’t designed for Bathurst. Though it would be nice to see them running there as well! I am a fan of all types of racing.
Agreed, 100% mine would have a dent in the floorboard!!!
@Kirk Wolfe never made it passed the Pinewood Derby!!🤣
Good race between 2 monsters
Paint on the GTX is fantastic, good restoration work.
My friends stepdad had a 440 GTX that was the same colors as this one and I always loved that car.
I owned a factory new 1967 GTX the same color. It had a 440ci 4 barrel 4 speed. It ran about 13.1 seconds. Wish I still had it. Still one of my all time favorites.
10/2024: I bought a 1969 440 AUTO GTX when it was 1 &1/2 years old.
All the options. Great Car.
2 legendary motors
Wow! Some BIG hitters in this group! Thanks for sharing 👍
OMG this is my favorite channel ever ! I was born in 66' and we had a 69' Dodge Coronet with the 383 2 barrel carb with the 727 Torque flite transmission and it was a great car..my parents sold it in 76' when it was getting harder to find leaded gas here in Texas,so they say..I believe they knew that car turned me into a muscle car lover forever even at the young age and knew if I got it I would be hopping it up and drag racing the **** out of it..
I went to work young at 14 and was already saving for my 1st car which was a 67' SS Camaro..man these videos are making me jones for another muscle car from the in my opinion best years ever..I ended up building the SS up and of course racing it every time I drove it..then I bought a 68' Charger with a 340 that the guy got an original 6 pack intake and carbs off I guess it was a wrecked AAR Challenger..but that car was awesome too..then more Camaros and even a big block 79' Trans Am..so damn these videos are just so awesome..I will watch every video I can find of yours and spend endless hours watching them.. Thank you for these videos !
Sub-12 seconds and 115 mph is absolutely stellar for a 55 year-old car. Thanks for posting.
Thanks for these races. Absolutely awesome! That '67 Belvedere GTX is outstanding! I like the battle with '70 Road Runner. Take a Mopar to catch a Mopar;-)
What u talking bout the Chevy blew its doors of and if he didnt sleep at the light woulda done it again in second race
@@Artificial_Dopamine at what price point difference? Right. 20k more in 69.
@@Artificial_Dopamine Thanks for the feedback. Camaro ZL1 was made mainly as racing special (NHRA or AHRA). Only 69 pieces and super rare car. '67 Belvedere GTX is a primarily street car with a "racing engine"
@@Artificial_Dopamine If you take the GTX's fastest ET vs the ZL1's fastest, you'd see that these cars were far more evenly matched than you think. 11.94 (ZL1) vs 11.97 (GTX against the Roadrunner.)
@@gogglez61 - ZL1 Camaros turn 11's stock... that GTX has a lot of work done to it to get below 13.0...
For christ sake will somebody tell that guy how old Gary is already! Hells bells!
🤣😂
Older than dirt my friend.
Didn't he help invent the wheel!
It's Nice to see this cars on the road like they re being used and thats nice
I gotta be honest, love those late 60s mopars!!!
I love the 60s in all cars. the 60s had some awsome cars period.
I'm a Chevy guy and always dreamed about the ZL1 but I also love the 66-67 Hemi GTX! I'll take one of each!
(thought I saw some smoke from the right tailpipe on the ZL1? )
That was some fine racing.
It's not the same without the funny comintary, that's what makes the video worth watching!!!!
Great video. Thanks for putting up the time and speed on the screen!
Walk softly, and carry a big effin engine under the hood! Couple of dragon slayers there!
I was a fortunate guy to own both sorta 427ci but not a ZL1. Both cars I want back today!!! Young and stupid sold em both because of love afairs, stupid I know! The only negative thing I can think of was the seats of the GTX were like sitting on cement, and neither one were too good for mileage in 1976 (gas crunch). Didn't buy em for comfort of gas mileage! Lol!
I'm glad we found out that Gary is 65! LOL
I have been wondering about that for a while.
Absolutely beautiful '67 Hemi GTX.
Great to see it on the strip, doing wat it was designed for.
4:56 gears in the hemi makes it almost unstreetable for daily driving. 4:10 streetable. I drove my 67' Ford F100 6'bed Stepside with a 4:11 rear everyday and on highway trips for well over 10 years. My 69' Road Runner was only running 3:23 gears.
Clash of the Titans! Two legendary rides...it all came down to the difference in weight..maybe a better matchup would have been a lighter Hemi 'Cuda or Challenger.The GTX still held it's own, though.. Gotta love that 429, but the Mustangs sure did get ugly in '71, imo. Thanks for posting!
I agree about the later Mustangs. They lost that pony car look and weighed more. Plus, the 428 was a better engine than the 429. I am a Mopar man so anything Hemi gets me aroused.😂
Absolutely love the old muscle cars. I was lucky enough to catch the late 60's and early 70's cars before the "pollution" engines took over. Nothing better than the tire burn outs and the roar of any of those muscle car engines, regardless if your a Mopar, Chevy, or Ford enthusiast !
Those were great times, glad the interest in these cars is returning!!
Both iconic cars no matter who won!
When I was a kid in the mid 80's in Topeka Kansas ... believe it or not, some Dad let his Daughter drive one of these to Topeka High ... I was it in the parking lot a few times and as I walked past it and saw the 426 Hemi badge, I stopped and couldn't believe me eyes. For the rest of my senior year I purposely walked thru the gym doors to where she parked just for another chance at seeing this car. I saw it 3 times. It was a rootbeer brown color.
430 Horsepower of the ZL1 was under rated by the factory, said to be more around 550.
About 530 HP @ 6600 for ZL1... aluminum heads bleed off heat/HP faster... 560 HP for iron L88 version...
@@BuzzLOLOL keep your ZL1, I will take a L88 everytime 🏁
I had a 1964 pontiac 421 3dueuce 4 speed car. was crazy quick for a big car.
What makes them so much faster today if they are still in stock form? The tire traction and ignition upgrades?
The license plate trim on that ZL1…..gotta love them Detroit boys!
In 1967, I ordered a Camaro with a 396/325 hp. When I went to the bank for the loan, the loan officer said they don’t loan money for hot rods. I left the bank, drove 1 mile to the Plymouth dealer, and left with a 67 GTX 440 automatic.
The reason the first bank would not loan $$ for the Camaro was it had 4 speed transmission.
My first ever brand new car was a 69 Camaro. I wanted a Z but I had the same problem as you only it was with my insurance company, they wouldn’t insure anything with a 4 speed or anything considered high performance. I was only 20. I settled for a 307 3 speed. It didn’t stay a 3 speed long and I went to work on that 307.
As a mopar guy ,there is no question about which one is the beauty and with one is the beast, sad day for mopar ! Great day for muscle!
Agreed, the Camaro is gorgeous @@scottmccullough4267
@@scottmccullough4267Not a Stellantis fan or Fiat Ram either but still better than the Camaro built by gM,it looks so lame
@@bradzimmerman3171 Funny you say that. I owned a 1969 Camaro and a 1973 Dodge Challenger. Every time I see a 70-74 Barracuda or a Challenger etc. my first thought is- 'it's a 69 Camaro'. Chrysler/Plymouth/Dodge clearly copied that body style. Your not fooling me, you'd take one in a heartbeat.
I now have a 67 Firebirds 400 4spd. The reality is, they are all fun to drive.
Shows you how much vehicle prices and dealer gouging have outstripped todays wages…a new car today in that performance realm would be 100k +
The Himi was unreliable. The BB chevy was pretty tough! And the GTX looks like a shoebox on wheels. The Camaro looks like a Kewl Kar! It's beautiful!
It gorgeous for sure
I appreciate you just showing the videos and not putting in your opinion! Great videos! Thanks for the insider!
Yeah, more of these no commentary videos, great vid!
The guy racing a factory original zl1 has to have balls the size of basketballs!!
I know I don't have the means to have that car, but if I did; driving it would be my only reason to own it and that includes what it was made for: Racing!
@@BrewBlaster I totally agree, it's what it was designed to do!
Cheers
The owner just posted that this is a clone.
Couldn't agree more. These are both six figure cars so it's a crap shoot to go down the 1/4 mile. Anything can break.
What's the point of having a car if you don't use it for what it was intended for- DRIVING! Plus, he has a ZL1...he can afford it.
Nice video 📹
Love how angry them V8s sound
Crazy induction sound
Has to be one of the nicest clones I've seen TRULY AWESOME
Damn good racing by 4 awesome rides! Wouldn't kick any of them out of my garage!
Both the GTX and Camaro are killer cars , and run those those ETs in the the low 12 and high 11 range through manifolds is spectacular .
I think i speak for half of the comment section when i say both of these cars are beautiful icons of american automotive history, and both are badass rides that we all would love to own.
Good Stuff guys!!! Love those beautiful machines I grew up with!!! Thanks for sharing.
Both cars are beautiful but that 1967 Plymouth GTX is gorgeous!
I'm a Dodge Fan. Anyway it's not only a race about American School muscle cars. In my understanding, it's more for than that. It's an American style of life.
Gorgeous Plymouth looking like factory mint. And wow, that engine too. If I didn't know anything about engines, I'd still know that's not some regular V8. This Camaro is beautiful inside and out. To actually own a ZL1 like this would be an honor.
I wish I would have hung onto my 1970 Challenger RT and my 1970 Duster 340! I just hated buying back tires for them, which was about every 6 months.
I owned a '67 GTX 426 Hemi back in the mid 70's. What a fun car, uncomfortable as hell! Think I could have put concrete blocks in for seats and been better..,......but I could beat anything I ran across on the street. But like someone else posted, I could pass anything but a gas pump, 6-9 mpg. But I liked the car.
John Force would love these two car's, he runs a camaro with a MIGHTY CHRYSLER HEMI, which makes north of 11000 hp
That's such a Gorgeous ZL1 #TeamChevy for the win.
A clone...
@@BuzzLOLOL lol so what it's awesome either way
Awesome video. Thank you.
I'm a Mopar guy, but that ZL1. If you're going to get beat by someone.....
69 Dart GTS with the 440 Magnum: 640 produced. Low 12s in the 1/4 with the tiny tires.
68 HEMI Dart: Need I say more? 10.2 in the 1/4 with the tiny tires.
@@brettdenisegibbs6533 440 Darts in 69....640 of them.
Gotta love the number of variables thrown in to make a car rare. My AAR is one of seven if we play that game.
Very evenly matched.
I had a 68 427 390hp vette, and raced a GTX 440 on an impromptu back road street race. fI won, but it was close thru 3 gears. When we pulled over; we were both had the hearts racing.. I was impressed with the GTX. Then the surprise. A sleeper with a Semi. If he had a four speed instead of torquflight he would have been grinning bigger.
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I really thought the ZL1 would walk away with it. But this was an incredible race between two amazing vehicles.
ZL1 turned 11's as expected... others unexpected 12's and expected 13's...
@@BuzzLOLOL and I bet the double-wide you're a Biden voter.
I watch this channel a lot. It kills me that the stands are always virtually empty. When I used to go to the races in the 1960s and 1970s at raceway Park Englishtown NJ, there wasn't a empty seat. 30,000 plus people every single race day. Same thing in the 1980s when I moved to Los Angeles at Pomona and Palmdale racetracks. Standing room only. Always
Ahh yes, Englishtown,, if we're talking Jersey,,Atco!
The things old guys talk about in the background 😂
Even though it's a clone ZL1 it's still a incredible car and very very desirable
Love the look of that GTX
I knew a few guys who worked with the big Hemi at the proving grounds. They said the 426 would dyno at 500 hp all day long. I have to believe the same would have to be true with the Chevrolet 427. Those Chrysler big blocks had the hole shot, but big block Chevrolets sure could make high end power.
Ok watching this again that GTX had the ZL1 dead to rights! Holy crap that top end was impressive. Id love to see the 1/8 mile splits
Never could beat a GTX no matter what was put up against it. Hated it
The GTX is probably my favorite muscle car ever, luxury and power 👍
I'm pretty much a Chevy guy but that 67 GTX is probably my favorite Mopar that car is just badass black on black to bad it's not a 4-speed 👍
Very cool video 👍 your car is a dream come true. Me I ll just have to get buy with my Z71 Silverado which has never ever lost to a Hemi Dodge truck. In fact my bicycle will pull ahead of Dodge trucks at traffic lights.
, a fully stock ZL1 engine produced "only" around 470 gross hp, and 376 net hp, which is consistent with one of the only tests done to a car in stock condition, the one from High Performance Cars who got a 13.1 1/4 at 110mph, all those 11.8,11.6 and more crazy times were made by cars tuned and modified for the dragstrip.
Still no match for the Hemi Dart.
They would smoke any factory Hemi period!
@@stefanovichmichael9686 the Hemi in the dart is not a street Hemi to begin with. It's the drag version which has nearly 150 HP more than the street Hemi. Not only that, it weighs only 2980 pounds
Get educated CHILD!
@@chadhaire1711 Cupcake......I wasn't talking about the street version to begin with.
It would help if you would actually read what I posted properly.
Child.....first car I worked on was back in 1977.....a Z-11 1963 Impala SS
@@chadhaire1711 I've been around them for 44 years. And yes you were off topic Beavis.
Legend has it that they're still trying to figure out how old Gary is.
I think he's 60?
I right away knew the ZL1 was gonna be faster and quicker than the GTX due to the numbers in power, weight, gearing, etc.
ZL1 prolly should be handicapped vs these cars...
In 1966, in my high school, they’re were mustangs, Camaros,chevelles, corvette’s! I couldn’t have or my dad afford one ! But the 390 mustangs, 396 chevys, snd one 427 corvette, the corvette was absolutely the fastest car in my city! Until a boy got a Plymouth Satellite with a 426/2,4barrels ! They can have these drag races online but l actually saw results in person! The satellite couldn’t be touched! They’re was a 390 high performance comet cyclone that was number two! It was close but they were Camaros, Chevelles , Corvette and the two fastest cars around were the Cyclone, and the Satellite! The satellite stood alone at the top!
Goodday C & Z,
That is some serious & great racing all round thoroughly enjoyed it.
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The chrome exhaust tips on the gtx are on wrong, they are right's and left's that point outwards. It is a real hemi gtx built in September of 1966. Very nice car that went 11.40s on Saturday, earlier Saturday and Friday hitting the brakes so he wouldn't get kick out.
@@chadhaire1711 is that all your hemi makes ?
@@chadhaire1711 lol
My grandfather had one of the GTX same year with all those same options and year hardtop also. I don’t know they only made 48 of those, He has pasted on now but I want to try and find his original car would any of you know how to find it..I’ve tried with his name but no luck.
Seeing those cars reminds me how damn old I am.
The Cobra Jet Mustang is not in the same league as the ZL1 or Hemi GTX.
Mustang and GTX about even, both way below the Camaro...
@@BuzzLOLOL Did you even watch the video buzzboy?
On the first run I could hear the GTX spit and sputter a little bit. I wonder if he had the ignition timing a little too hot. It ran better on the second run 2/10 of a second quicker.
Is Gary younger? He's 65
Well, his Mom is 90..
When people street race their cars back in the 60,s most cars did not have electronic ignitions. These engines being shown now preform the engine to its true ability with the electronic ignition. I remember listening to the misfire of the motors as they left the favorite parks they gather at in the summer and the McDonalds Restaurant at night in the old neighborhood. Those were the good old days.
The question is how old is Gary?
Did they ever build an all aluminum hemi pro-type?
Tons of them were used in racing. As far as Chrysler itself, idk.
Chrysler Corp was very pro bullet proof and bang for the buck..
Aluminum did not figure into much, back then.
Their 1st regular production, all aluminum mill was I think the later iterations of the 3.5L V6, as used in cars like the 300M, Prowler, Intrepid, Concorde etc.
The slant six showed up early on in aluminum block form, but ofc
iron was the main deal through it's near 30 yr run.
Nice cars, by the way does anyone know how old Gary is?
Pretty close race of two powerhouses. It really seems the Camaro was faster in the top end as it did caught up to the hefty Hemi by the end.
I would suspect the 4.56 gears in the gtx was limiting his top speed / not pulling as hard up top.
500lbs make a difference.
Hemi obviously backed off at the top of the first run. Second run not so obvious, but given its 115 mph trap speed in the time trial vs. the 109 mph in the second run against the Camaro, he backed off a bit in the second run, too. Typical bracket racer strategy to do so when you're winning to avoid breaking out. Camaro still had a slightly higher trap speed, best ET's of both cars pretty much the same.
@@herman452 I agree
@@herman452 Agreed
Iam more of a chrysler guy BUT that 427 camero
Would be nothing less than a blast to drive.
That's what it's all about owning a muscle car! Enjoy the hell out of them!
2 big old dinosaurs grunting!😂
One thing should be pointed out here. The showroom stock drags pair competitive cars in eliminations, based on their time trial times. So the cars running in eliminations will run very close because otherwise they would be running something else. Sandbagging during the time trials is discouraged by disqualifying anyone who runs more than a very small amount faster than they did during time trials. So, it's fun to watch but it's a mistake to draw broad conclusions from any one pair of cars. I like both of these. I own a Street Hemi myself - I drove it home when Dad bought it in 1970, and I've owned it myself since 1984.. I love it, but showroom stock to showroom stock I feel quite confident a ZL-1 Camaro would outrun it because, if nothing else, it's several hundred pounds lighter. Plus, my car is truly stock except for 4.10 gears. Read through the showroom stock rules and you realize they have a fair amount of leeway, especially compression ratio and cams (so long as total duration and lift is close to stock, which says nothing about the rate of lift or the area under the curve). I will say that some of the guys in F.A.S.T and even the so-called "showroom stock" classes sure know how to tune a Hemi. This "stock" one is significantly faster than mine. And some of the F.A.S.T Hemis are making over 800 hp with OEM intake, carbs, heads and exhaust manifolds.
Both cars are very consistent in the 1/4 mile.
Is the ZL-1 a clone as someone said it was their car in the comment section? I did not know they allow clones in pure stock ?
The 426 street Hemi was rated at 425 horsepower from the factory. This Chrysler dyno sheet from decades ago and this close-to-stock dyno session of a new 426 Hemi both put the gross horsepower rating at about 470 horsepower without full exhausts and other engine-driven accessories.
Yeah but the ZL1 would shame em all!
The 426 and 427 is always a good match up.
My blood pressure goes up every time I see a 69 ZL1 all aluminum 427 car... my dream car...
I get tired of hearing ppl talk about how much quicker these cars are than when new. I was a teen in the 70s...got my drivers license in 74. By that time, these cars weren't new anymore and they weren't rare yet. Warranty meant nothing. Rare meant nothing because they weren't yet. We didn't give a damn about a "stock" label. It was run what you brung. Guys my day were building the shit out of these cars with every speed parts available then. We used fat L50 tires or better...(Road Huggers were THE tires when I was a tire man back then). We street raced mostly. I've seen plenty of cars with motors built in the back yard, covered with a tarp until we could finish, pull the front tires leaving the red light. I don't remember quarter mile times so much...we didn't have a drag strip near me...but I can well imagine 10s from these same cars back then...by shade tree mechanics. I never had a nice garage to work on cars. None of us did. We laid on our back in the dirt, pulled engines with a comealong from a tree limb. That's the way it was done by most back then. And we would blow the doors off most of these cars. I said all that to say that Gary is probably around 65.
The real question here is how old is Gary?
...Ford & GM muscle by now would be unheard of, as far as events like this, sans after market parts that
far exceed original quality.
Vintage Mopars running today would be rare enough. The amount of wheel hop Ford & Chevy muscle had back in the day was crazy & the drive trains generally were not up to taking year after year of hard driving, much less decades, now.