This interview is displaying elements of why I stopped really paying attention to minimalism. I got into it maybe 8-9 years ago because of the original duo here. I got out of it because of Joshua. I avidly listened to their original podcast, but it got so tiring to hear Joshua basically rephrase his same talking points, same stories, same sentiments, no matter what question was asked of him. Meanwhile, Ryan came off as actively listening and actively responding to the questions and scenarios posed to him, just speaking with the lense of minimalism in mind, rather than Joshua's tendency to paraphrasing his own philosophy. And Ryan did not talk NEARLY as much as Joshua. I ran out of things to learn from Joshua, and didn't get enough from Ryan to feel the time spend listening to the podcast was worth it anymore. Ryan has the conversational feel that I needed after I was familiar with the basics, and Joshua felt like a professor whose class I was taking for the 6th time. If you're familiar with the Minimalists, everything Joshua says in here will feel TOO FAMILIAR.
I started listening to them when they had their TED talk and omg they have been saying word for word the same thing since. The same sales pitch for years and i don't understand how they haven't changed it or realized it's weird to quote yourself for 10 years.
It’s part of JFM’s grift. He offers barely anything new because the message is simply “own less” or something like that. But because he’s made Minimalism something to make money from, he’s got to repackage the message to keep making money.
I only found their stuff a few months ago and I like TK take on things . I agree Joshua is a broken record at this point. I wouldn't buy anything from them because I feel like it would just be repackaged of what they have already said .
I think running and lifting weights solves a lot in life... As far as Minimalism, it's just like religion, people keep going every week even though the message is the same. IT has become digital religion. they are even dressed like monks, or like your at the Apple Store. I would sum up minimalism as things to remove, relocate or things to keep that you need. It's ok to have stuff. Also RUclips influencers are making so much, so much money. They won't talk about that... Ask them, how much money do they make dressed in black shirts. Hope there not like the corrupt priests in Texas that then jet off in private jets to Beverly Hills, laughing all the way
The minimalists changed my life over 8 years ago. They were very kind and graceful to do this with you because the original video wasn’t about minimalism and what they strive for, it was about people who are extremists and take everything to an unhealthy level. Completely different topics. You come to my house and there’s no clutter. I have what i need, what i use or things that are beautiful| meaningful. I can tell you where to find every little thing because everything has a place. My car, office, bathroom, garage are uncluttered. Husband is the same. We consider ourselves mininimalists nor extreme or compulsive. People who have an issue with this movement took it to a literal “own nothing” and that’s the problem… Minimalism isn’t.
When that minimalism documentary came out, I was so broke and didn’t buy things anyway…so I remember feeling angry like, so people figured out how to capitalize on not buying things. Coolcoolcoolcool. But as I advanced in my income there were some things I took in from minimalism that I’m grateful about. I don’t just buy things just to buy them. My room is full of gifts from my friends and handmade gifts or things I made. I value my time over a paycheck so I don’t aim to work more than 40-45 hours a week. I’m not good at staying off the socials but I have lessened the time to make space for me to do more fulfilling things. Minimalism has some good points, and though people take things too far, I still kind of like the philosophy of minimalism.
HI! Love your video's. I'm Dutch and we live a lot smaller over here. So I always (wel atleast the last 10/15 years) like to declutter and tidy my house. For me minimalism is not having to much things you don't use. I personely I don't get why minimalism is associated with having no collors (maybe it looks cleaner)? I love collors and I have a lot of it in my home and my wardrobe. I think what's being said in the video is realy spot on and i realy think it's important to give youre own spin on lifestyles that your interested in. (don't take it so serious). I also thought it was interesting what you said about history and that there was always waves of minimalisme. We have a lot of left overs from Calvinisme. Greetz from Holland! ( sorry for any spelling mistakes)
I think people are stupid if they dont see the benefits of having less...but what you need. You cant take it with you and I have wasted thousands of dollars on useless stuff I ended up throwing away.
Im very poor, enlightened but poor, and us poor people are unbelievably great at not having much. How much of this is an issue of over exposure to hyper consumerism, that we in the united stateshave to have some kind of academic style of conversation over something most of the people in the world and people like me in the u.s, have zero problem accomplishing. That is not having much and knowing how much is enough and necessary, and inflation helps this alot.Also how much of this nonsense is about the acquisition of status?
. . . not in my neck of the woods. I'm from Michigan and poor people here are the biggest dollar store creatures - packing as much into a $20 dollar bill as possible and don't even talk about clearance sale reactions. If a shampoo is .95 cents, then they buy 5 maybe more, and that action applies to everything in a store. Maybe old school poor people were better at it, before marketing was the slickest biz in the country, perhaps now in the world.
@@gaslitworldf.melissab2897 I'm old and grew up in Savannah Georgia. I know you're right but not 100 percent, for the u.s at least, that humility can still be seen. As for the rest of the world, the percentage, I imagine, is a lot better.
I thought this was a really interesting discussion and I appreciated the connection to religious ideas because I do see the resemblance and the way some religious movements have preached minimalism as a value
I loved how he brought in Baudrillard, but I think his ideas need a bit more fleshing out if they are to be commented meaningfully on. But I am glad to see these guys show up thoughtfully and with integrity, even if they do repeat some talking points that have been in their repetoire for some time now
TK is amazing. The best and most interesting part of this video starts at 10:00 to 16:00. 👏 👏 Finding something bad about minimalism is the same as finding something bad about helping people.
It's a lifestyle that doesn't suit everyone, I'm amazed how people got into it because of some dudes talked them into it. Yes, they have their good points, good stories, it's all about delivering the message, and they did a good job, but being a minimalist should come from within yourself.
I think it is “ programming “ the masses to want less. Like with the “ Capsule Wardrobe” in clothes as well. People don’t realise they are “ programmed” in almost everything in life. I could delve deeper but here is not the place to explain much Thanks Donna 😘💪🏻
The toxic thing with the capsule wardrobe. Is that people want it to be perfect to end up buying more so they have the right items and then the trend changes so you have to replace the items again .
I think if you start thinking too much about minimalism you will find fault in doing it. Just stop reading into it. It is what it is. The minimalist also explains this well in the video.
Thank you for making such a well put together video and very well spoken video! I also know its going to be an awesome watch when I see Donna in my notifications! Also I think social media has been quite damaging to alot of groups of people from minimalistic living to diet/ beauty culture. What really scares me is talking to my younger cousins and family members since they have a very damaged view on Money (they all say 1million usd Is chump change) (even though they max have $20 themselves) Also I noticed the younger generation is demonizing the working class aswell! 😢 my nephew was upset as his dad since unlike Mr.tate he couldn't afford a rainbow flag of Bugattis. I really hope the next generation can make it through, but with how bad society is sadly I think we will see a major war 1st before it gets better 😢
I think minimalism is great, but I believe the mise en place principle is much more important. If you have so much stuff that you can't find a compartment for it then you have too much stuff.
All my belongings fit in a van. And I'm not a minimalism, I'm just not rich. These guys live in another planet. If you go to their house I bet it's a luxurious place.
Insightful. Society (especially in the US) is about Status = what you Own (you worked for it, bought it with your own hard earned money) has exploded into a "need". As I've always said, Can't Take It With You. Thank you, Donna.
KGL I do miss the old name on your channel I feel like it was such a good name to change it messed up the branding a lilttle I haven't seen a video from you in so long and I feel like its because of the name change. Love your vids and not telling you to bring it back it's just somthing I have observed.
QUESTION: Has anyone else noticed that lots of RUclipsrs film in minimalistic sets (like the black one shown). I assume it's just a studio even when I see a sofa and lamp, but why couldn't it be a studio and a home's living space?
well looking at a person's living space instead of a black set would divert your attention from the topic ...I am bad for that - always checking out what's behind the person speaking....
why are all these guys wearing black shirts? all of them are always dressed in black shirts, kinda like a click, or cult, never ever seen these guys wear anything but black
Yeah I started feeling that vibe once the first guy clarified he wasn't a communist, that there wouldn't be a strong enough deconstruction of capitalism and colonialism. Plus ee really blame social media as a tool of consumerism and clutter, but I've used it to connect to other Indigenous people. Although everyone has their issues on social media if they engage, I find there's some very intuitive and peaceful and helpful ways indigenous people use social media to share and preserve knowledge that aren't feeding into consumerism or attention economy.
Glad Donna gave them a chance to say something meaningful but they fell flat…again. I don’t know what I was expecting but it’s not thoughtful it comes off as preachy and defensive
"Minimalism" is their job. They have a brand, an uniform, they're like coaches (charlatans), and they earn a lot of money with that empty discourse. They're maximalists for money.
I don't watch the minimalists and would never pay to watch their podcasts. It's just boring them talking about minimalism and getting rich in doing so. I prefer to see someone taking it hands on.
The only thing minimal in this conversation is direct answers to Donna's input... Proof you can own minimal items and still have maximal pretentiousness. A minimalist concept...say less?
We appreciate how well you've articulated your own insights, Donna. You'll always have our support.
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Enough-ism. That's what minimalism really is at its core.
This interview is displaying elements of why I stopped really paying attention to minimalism. I got into it maybe 8-9 years ago because of the original duo here. I got out of it because of Joshua. I avidly listened to their original podcast, but it got so tiring to hear Joshua basically rephrase his same talking points, same stories, same sentiments, no matter what question was asked of him. Meanwhile, Ryan came off as actively listening and actively responding to the questions and scenarios posed to him, just speaking with the lense of minimalism in mind, rather than Joshua's tendency to paraphrasing his own philosophy. And Ryan did not talk NEARLY as much as Joshua. I ran out of things to learn from Joshua, and didn't get enough from Ryan to feel the time spend listening to the podcast was worth it anymore. Ryan has the conversational feel that I needed after I was familiar with the basics, and Joshua felt like a professor whose class I was taking for the 6th time. If you're familiar with the Minimalists, everything Joshua says in here will feel TOO FAMILIAR.
I started listening to them when they had their TED talk and omg they have been saying word for word the same thing since. The same sales pitch for years and i don't understand how they haven't changed it or realized it's weird to quote yourself for 10 years.
It’s part of JFM’s grift. He offers barely anything new because the message is simply “own less” or something like that. But because he’s made Minimalism something to make money from, he’s got to repackage the message to keep making money.
I only found their stuff a few months ago and I like TK take on things . I agree Joshua is a broken record at this point. I wouldn't buy anything from them because I feel like it would just be repackaged of what they have already said .
They became a sect
I think running and lifting weights solves a lot in life... As far as Minimalism, it's just like religion, people keep going every week even though the message is the same. IT has become digital religion. they are even dressed like monks, or like your at the Apple Store. I would sum up minimalism as things to remove, relocate or things to keep that you need. It's ok to have stuff. Also RUclips influencers are making so much, so much money. They won't talk about that... Ask them, how much money do they make dressed in black shirts. Hope there not like the corrupt priests in Texas that then jet off in private jets to Beverly Hills, laughing all the way
The minimalists changed my life over 8 years ago. They were very kind and graceful to do this with you because the original video wasn’t about minimalism and what they strive for, it was about people who are extremists and take everything to an unhealthy level. Completely different topics. You come to my house and there’s no clutter. I have what i need, what i use or things that are beautiful| meaningful. I can tell you where to find every little thing because everything has a place. My car, office, bathroom, garage are uncluttered. Husband is the same. We consider ourselves mininimalists nor extreme or compulsive. People who have an issue with this movement took it to a literal “own nothing” and that’s the problem… Minimalism isn’t.
Wow-TK Coleman-video at 10-16 minutes-this is the content I’ve been looking for. Wonderful answer to host’s question.
When that minimalism documentary came out, I was so broke and didn’t buy things anyway…so I remember feeling angry like, so people figured out how to capitalize on not buying things. Coolcoolcoolcool. But as I advanced in my income there were some things I took in from minimalism that I’m grateful about. I don’t just buy things just to buy them. My room is full of gifts from my friends and handmade gifts or things I made. I value my time over a paycheck so I don’t aim to work more than 40-45 hours a week. I’m not good at staying off the socials but I have lessened the time to make space for me to do more fulfilling things. Minimalism has some good points, and though people take things too far, I still kind of like the philosophy of minimalism.
Halfway through this video, Donna has asked two on topic questions and received one on topic answer. Two of these dudes are exhausting.
HI!
Love your video's. I'm Dutch and we live a lot smaller over here. So I always (wel atleast the last 10/15 years) like to declutter and tidy my house. For me minimalism is not having to much things you don't use. I personely I don't get why minimalism is associated with having no collors (maybe it looks cleaner)? I love collors and I have a lot of it in my home and my wardrobe. I think what's being said in the video is realy spot on and i realy think it's important to give youre own spin on lifestyles that your interested in. (don't take it so serious).
I also thought it was interesting what you said about history and that there was always waves of minimalisme. We have a lot of left overs from Calvinisme. Greetz from Holland! ( sorry for any spelling mistakes)
I think people are stupid if they dont see the benefits of having less...but what you need. You cant take it with you and I have wasted thousands of dollars on useless stuff I ended up throwing away.
Im very poor, enlightened but poor, and us poor people are unbelievably great at not having much. How much of this is an issue of over exposure to hyper consumerism, that we in the united stateshave to have some kind of academic style of conversation over something most of the people in the world and people like me in the u.s, have zero problem accomplishing. That is not having much and knowing how much is enough and necessary, and inflation helps this alot.Also how much of this nonsense is about the acquisition of status?
. . . not in my neck of the woods. I'm from Michigan and poor people here are the biggest dollar store creatures - packing as much into a $20 dollar bill as possible and don't even talk about clearance sale reactions. If a shampoo is .95 cents, then they buy 5 maybe more, and that action applies to everything in a store. Maybe old school poor people were better at it, before marketing was the slickest biz in the country, perhaps now in the world.
@@gaslitworldf.melissab2897 I'm old and grew up in Savannah Georgia. I know you're right but not 100 percent, for the u.s at least, that humility can still be seen. As for the rest of the world, the percentage, I imagine, is a lot better.
Wow! Congrats on speaking with the minimalists! I cant wait to watch this
This is really amazing! I want the part 2, although I was never a minimalist 😅
I thought this was a really interesting discussion and I appreciated the connection to religious ideas because I do see the resemblance and the way some religious movements have preached minimalism as a value
What’s the deal with minimalists and plain black t-shirts? 🤷🏻♀️
Exactly 😂, can't I own just 3 Hawaiian print shirts? Personally I think they are all just cosplaying the Steve Jobs uniform.
For me it makes them less believable
I loved how he brought in Baudrillard, but I think his ideas need a bit more fleshing out if they are to be commented meaningfully on.
But I am glad to see these guys show up thoughtfully and with integrity, even if they do repeat some talking points that have been in their repetoire for some time now
I would have to guess a movement like 'minimalism' would hardly benefit from such online expansion & growth.
TK is amazing. The best and most interesting part of this video starts at 10:00 to 16:00. 👏 👏
Finding something bad about minimalism is the same as finding something bad about helping people.
It's a lifestyle that doesn't suit everyone, I'm amazed how people got into it because of some dudes talked them into it. Yes, they have their good points, good stories, it's all about delivering the message, and they did a good job, but being a minimalist should come from within yourself.
I think it is “ programming “ the masses to want less. Like with the “ Capsule Wardrobe” in clothes as well.
People don’t realise they are “ programmed” in almost everything in life.
I could delve deeper but here is not the place to explain much
Thanks Donna 😘💪🏻
If anything we have been programmed to want more.
The toxic thing with the capsule wardrobe. Is that people want it to be perfect to end up buying more so they have the right items and then the trend changes so you have to replace the items again .
The whole point is you do you, don’t do trends. Don’t overconsume stuff you don’t need or wear. Quit the FOMO, so you don’t get influenced by trends
the guy at 13 mins in, talks about minimalism, same way I talk about communism...
I think if you start thinking too much about minimalism you will find fault in doing it. Just stop reading into it. It is what it is. The minimalist also explains this well in the video.
Yes, Brother. Psychic minimalism should be "a thing."
"I'm not allergic to money, I'm not a communist" really? lol
yeah, just read Economic Calculation in the Socialist Commonwealth - Mises
Thank you for making such a well put together video and very well spoken video!
I also know its going to be an awesome watch when I see Donna in my notifications!
Also I think social media has been quite damaging to alot of groups of people from minimalistic living to diet/ beauty culture.
What really scares me is talking to my younger cousins and family members since they have a very damaged view on Money (they all say 1million usd Is chump change) (even though they max have $20 themselves)
Also I noticed the younger generation is demonizing the working class aswell! 😢 my nephew was upset as his dad since unlike Mr.tate he couldn't afford a rainbow flag of Bugattis.
I really hope the next generation can make it through, but with how bad society is sadly I think we will see a major war 1st before it gets better 😢
I think minimalism is great, but I believe the mise en place principle is much more important. If you have so much stuff that you can't find a compartment for it then you have too much stuff.
Bro why does this video only have 8k views ???
All my belongings fit in a van. And I'm not a minimalism, I'm just not rich. These guys live in another planet. If you go to their house I bet it's a luxurious place.
Bring back psychIRL! also i love you
Enjoyed this!
As someone leaned to Budhism this is not something new: minimalism.
Insightful. Society (especially in the US) is about Status = what you Own (you worked for it, bought it with your own hard earned money) has exploded into a "need". As I've always said, Can't Take It With You. Thank you, Donna.
Great job lighting your set!
Hi Donna!
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A couple of those guys sounded so pretentious omg. Tiring just to listen to them talk 🥱
loved the points made in this video.... but if Joshua says "things" one more time....
But it's not the things within the things that are behind the things that have more things
KGL I do miss the old name on your channel I feel like it was such a good name to change it messed up the branding a lilttle I haven't seen a video from you in so long and I feel like its because of the name change. Love your vids and not telling you to bring it back it's just somthing I have observed.
QUESTION: Has anyone else noticed that lots of RUclipsrs film in minimalistic sets (like the black one shown). I assume it's just a studio even when I see a sofa and lamp, but why couldn't it be a studio and a home's living space?
well looking at a person's living space instead of a black set would divert your attention from the topic ...I am bad for that - always checking out what's behind the person speaking....
Would you be willing to do a video on the ethics of AI art?
why do the less is more guys always have the most to say
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why are all these guys wearing black shirts? all of them are always dressed in black shirts, kinda like a click, or cult, never ever seen these guys wear anything but black
It’s kinda amazing how these guys are so close to understanding the problem is colonialism and capitalism but are just barely missing it. 😮
Yeah I started feeling that vibe once the first guy clarified he wasn't a communist, that there wouldn't be a strong enough deconstruction of capitalism and colonialism.
Plus ee really blame social media as a tool of consumerism and clutter, but I've used it to connect to other Indigenous people. Although everyone has their issues on social media if they engage, I find there's some very intuitive and peaceful and helpful ways indigenous people use social media to share and preserve knowledge that aren't feeding into consumerism or attention economy.
They are not minimal with words
Donna rocking that blazer, so f'in cute.
Commenting so this video gets boosted ❤
Glad Donna gave them a chance to say something meaningful but they fell flat…again.
I don’t know what I was expecting but it’s not thoughtful it comes off as preachy and defensive
Its just the same answer to every question no matter the question. 1 speech which is a broken record
This is why we can’t have nice things! /s 😆
"Minimalism" is their job. They have a brand, an uniform, they're like coaches (charlatans), and they earn a lot of money with that empty discourse. They're maximalists for money.
I don't watch the minimalists and would never pay to watch their podcasts. It's just boring them talking about minimalism and getting rich in doing so. I prefer to see someone taking it hands on.
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I think you are wrong about evolutionary psychology. All of these things have other explanations.
These guys are the biggest pseudointellectuals, so many better academics that are better to listen to on this topic.
I wonder if The Guys from the Minimalist podcast ever get tired of talking about Minimalism- They lost the spark in their eyes from what i can see
Im writing a book about minimalism and i just cant cope with how wrong the people's view is of this subject
Good luck with your book
The only thing minimal in this conversation is direct answers to Donna's input... Proof you can own minimal items and still have maximal pretentiousness. A minimalist concept...say less?
Did they paid you for this publicity?
I stopped being a minimalist in the ascetic but I have kept my mindset and now I care about my space and my life more than I used to.
The editing is so bad !!!
Joshua keeps repeating his template. I prefer Joshua Becker who has more discussion to offer.