I bought one of these used a couple years ago that had the wonky jumping filter pot! I emailed Moog and they sent me an entire replacement circuit board to drop in for the cost of shipping! ($20) No warranty, second owner, no questions asked they shipped it out to me.
After about 25 or more years of not buying any music gear whatsoever, I had happened to walk into a music store, wandered the synth section and came across this beauty. I was smitten! It was switched on, and I played a few notes, twiddled a few knobs, and was absolutely in LOVE the sound, looks, and feel. It switched me on to loving making fun music again!
Great video, Noir! Every time I see you touch that synth during hangout jams it seems like such a different vibe than, say, the SV1. It's that feeling of switching from consummate keyboardist to sound investigator that I think Moog and its ilk really encourage. We should have a monosynth jam day this week or next to celebrate!
The Subsequent 37 is the only Moog I've been interested in. I've used/repaired a wide range of their products and they just don't do it for me. Don't get me wrong, Moog does what they do very well. It just isn't what I want. Was finally planning on picking up a Subsequent 37 in 2020, but Sequential decided to debut the Pro 3.. I got the Pro 3 and do not regret it.
Same-ish. I also got a Pro 3, and basically haven''t touched my other synths since. I don't even have GAS any more. It's the kind of synth a person can grow old with, and still never run out of new things to try.
2:32 oh yeah I do this for each gig, I let the synthesizers warm up for 30minutes every time xD One time I played in an old champagne cave in france and the humidity made my poly synth sing like a police sirene lol
Of the affordable alternatives, I think the Novation Bass Station II is more like the Sub37 (or Sub25) than the Korg and Arturia synths. I love the Sub37, although I don't have one. Someday though. On paper, I thought I'd prefer the Pro 2 due to its richer feature set, but when I actually played them, I preferred the sound of the Sub37. Or at the very least, Moog synths seem to have the most/widest sweet spots to my ears.
When I got it, I stopped using my Minimoog and eventually sold it. I tried replacing it with the One and then the Matriarch (originally named Big Momma, they should have kept that) but went back to the Sub37. It's just so damn playable and sounds great. In the Subsequent release they scattered my presets to the wind and removed my initials from my favorite lead sound, but in the original Subsequent set they are most of Bank 8. I am seeing Amos tonight and will show him your kind words. Thank you. Also, don't be a stranger! Come to Knobcon!
@@suitandtieguy I have the new one, I honestly think its better than the originals. Better in the sense that it has separate LFO, velocity sensitive keyboard (which makes a huge difference) and a few patch points on the back.
I'm also curious to hear your thoughts on the One. I consider the Subsequent my desert island monosynth, it's damn near perfect for an analog mono (although I do wish it utilized the screen to show a) the exact clock bpm and b) the currently rotating knob's value relative to the actual value of the parameter.) But something about it is just inherently musical, like fat, saturated velvet flowing from my fingers to the speakers. Every time I have played a One, on the other hand, I have struggled to coax actual music out of it. It's not a casual instrument. I'm sure it is capable of amazing things, but 30 minute sessions in Guitar Center are not gonna be enough to get most people up to speed with it. If Subsequent is a Maserati, the One is a Boeing 787.
My first Moog synth was a a Sub 37. I loved the sound that it produced and used it for years i eventually sold it to get my hands on a MiniMoog but if i get the chance to snag another one i would in a heartbeat, Great Video.
At the beginning of the pandemic I sold my op-1, sub 37, and tons of other equipment. I did it because I was worried about my business. My business did fine fortunately and last year I bought another the op-1 and a moog sub 25. I truly appreciated and enjoyed the sub 37 and had a hard time bonding with the 25. I finally am starting to bond with it but I do miss the 37. It’s a beast
I heard the two are actually a bit different, despite them having similar names. The subsequent 25 is supposedly based on the sub phatty, while the Subsequent 37 is based on the Sub 37.
My experience with the Sub37 is only positive. Never owned but played with a closed friend’s unit. Pure joy. A bit confusing at first but became so playable. I think it might’ve been the best mono synth… UNTIL the Grandmother came in and took that title(imho) lol. Great video as always!
moog will ship you a replacement board for free. I've never done any synth work or anything before but it's a fairly easy swap. Very, very worth it, no idea how you contend with the filter issue, must not be as bad on yours as it was on mine. So amazing once replaced dude, highly recommend going for that board replacement
i love my sub 37.. i do alot of gigs and this beautiful synth does it all with no problem of tuning or.... Moog sub 37 is a very very very good synth !
Great video. Like the Moog One, the only bad thing that can be said about the Sub37 is the sound. Personally I’ve gotten a lot of mileage out of mine and I love it. I do prefer the raw sound of the Matriarch and Mother 32, especially when I want something more vintage.
I recently went to a live show (yay) of Bonobo in Portland. He had one of these small Moogs (not sure which one) and it was awesome over the sound system. He would sit there on a key, tweaking and flooding the house in massive shirt-rattling bass. It made me want one, and a massive PA system. Great video!
Love the video. After having both I still prefer the little phatty. That’s in a studio setting though, so I totally get the tuning stability issues of playing live you pointed out. Just sonically a phatty guy. Really wish it had the paraphony and sequencer of the sub though
Love it! Moog is a great company, and their packaging is always fun. Thank you for allowing me to live vicariously through your joy, until I get one of my own to play with.
Great video Noir! Two synths I bought this year were the Subsequent 37 & Prophet-6. Legendary pair, all the vibe I could ask for, I'm in love with them both, but my old CZ-1 still has my favourite synth title 😅 The noisy stereo chorus, old 12bit DAC, 8 stage envelopes for *everything* and PD synthesis make the most unique and character rich synth I've played. Programming is a must but it sounds brilliant. I really wish there was a modern version of the CZ though, because modern synths are so much better to work with. Still need to figure out the Subsequent 37 plugin but I'm happy to use it hands-on anyways!
Everything about the sub 37 is great, EXCEPT the modulation busses. I hate that I couldn't use them without giving up one of the LFO's, and while having multiple sources on a single bus can surprise with cool sounds, a lot of the time I only want one source to one destination, so essentially just 2 modulation rows. Pretty limiting in comparison these days. Bothered me enough that I sold it! But still, I think about buying another like twice a month lmao Good stuff, the consistently inconsistent king 😅🙏
The day after you posted this, my sweetwater rep called me to let me know they had gotten a batch of "imperfect" Sub 37s and 25s in from Moog... $330 off! I couldn't ignore that message from the synth gods! Really enjoyed the video, keep up the great work!
i remember Amos demonstrating some amazing sounds smiling and doing what i can only describe as the 'superman-clark kent' move, pushing his glasses back. I was instantly sold :)
I never knew that analog synthesizer's tuning behaves just like a guitar's tuning when exposed to vasprious climates. That's crazy. I know the tune knobs are present, but didn't realize they served that function. And this is the kind of demonstration and review I would expect to see all the time.... informative, to the points, and HONEST... keyword - honest. This is geard towards being informative, and not som much as a sales promotion.
People will all have their own opinions of course! I’d argue the Voyager is the best Moog mono, but that the PRO3 is the best mono synth, and the PRO2 is the coolest not-poly synth, though not actually as good of a mono synth as the pro3, overall. The Voyager has the touch pad pplus wheels, the pro3 has the touch strip plus wheels, the pro2 has TWO strips plus wheels, but they are position AND pressure sensitive! Voyager has 3 oscillators and two filters, pro 3 has 3 filters, the pro2 has the super flexible dual-filter section. Yes, the 37 has a huge sweet spot, lots of knobs, stable, great modulation. But the pro3 is pretty much sweet spot, WAYYYY more modulation, tons of knobs.
My only gripe with mine (Subsequent 37) is the rubber coating on the mod and pitch bend wheels. They have gone sticky like a lot of rubber products do even though Ive never cleaned it with anything that would cause it go sticky. I managed to fix the issue using black butyl rubber tape (Self amalgamting tape) that when pulled tight over the wheel sticks really well. Not the best solution but at least they arent sticky anymore which was very distracting. Ive heard others have had this issue too.
Good video! I'd love to hear your perspective on the matriarch. I got to play one for about 10 minutes at knobcon and I haven't stopped thinking about it since
In the mid to late 90s, when I was talking to Robert Moog about the new synth he was making (came to be the Voyager) I told him it would be nice or a blessing if it could have more than one voice, or if you could add voice cards, I guess now with this and a few others, my ideas or suggestions have come to fruition. 😋 I wanted it to be a minimoog (I had one in the 90s) with memory and more filters, plus something extra. Maybe next they will add something new and exciting also.
Another great lead synth that's _kind_ of fungible to the Sub37 is the IK Uno Synth Pro. It is not as friendly to edit but it's half the price and sounds great but different because of the filters.
I got one recently, almost singlehandedly on the strength of Matt Johnson (of Jamiroquai)'s demo and it really kicks ass! I opted for the keyboard version so can only speak to that iteration of it but it's built like an absolute tank too, which I wasn't expecting.
@@CatmanJimbo i love it. I'm trying to get some features implemented so I can use it instead of the Sub37. My live rig had to fit in a Suburban and every bit counts.
Obviously I haven’t tried every mono synth out there, but having both a Subsequent 37 and a Slim phatty I would definitely put the 37 up there… for 4 reasons: 1. The sound - it’s absolutely fat, organic, and unique. At first it was hard for me to get “gentle” tones out of it, but I learned it’s all in the gain staging (whereas in other synths VCA/DCA levels would typically be set high, here it starts overdriving past the middle point… it’s in the manual actually). That said, if you want gentle, airy tones get a Roland (I have those too). 2. It absolutely begs to be tweaked (but still has patch memory so you can save your sounds). The accessibility of parameters is great., I create new sounds on it all the time 3. It’s MUSICAL! The little tweaks you can make to envelope triggering, or assigning parameters to the mod wheel and other controls, makes it really great for expressive phrasing and funky bass lines. 4. Built like a brick - I don’t think I’ve seen a synth so well built since the original DX7,
I bought a sub25 a few months ago. I'm definitely happy with it, but I kinda wish I had waited for a sub37 to come back into stock... This video confirms that once more.
After many years of use, Sub37 will still creatively surprise you ... I own many great monosynths - Grandmother, Korg MS20 (vintage), model D, Odyssey, Future retro XS and and yet I use Sub37 the most.
I have a Sub37 CV. The rebuilt amp path with increased headroom giving more range from clean to reaaaalll dirty is nice. Best out. Now to find a way to get a One. Hahaha.
I recently moved into the synth area only using piano and VST before. I did find that I just did not use the VST that much. But after I bought a Quantum MK2 I use it every day. I'm looking at expanding into more analog synth. I consider Moog One (but costly and seem and loud fan etc), OB X8 (sounds great) and something like Subsequent 37. Struggle between picking. I like the Subsequent 37 because it is a lot cheaper and the sound is great. Any thoughts are welcome :)
I had this synth for some time and really did not get on with it. I found it to be uninspiring for my musical tastes. It undeniably sounds fantastic, but I think I prefer synths that are a bit weirder :D
Moog has made so many classics I don't think it's even the best mono from their lineup. I think even sequential's Pro series have it beat especially the Pro 2. Very interesting choice.
This is either best or the worst-timed video for me right now as I'm moving toward selling my Sub 37. On one hand, this is great because it should reinvigorate some interest on the market for the Sub 37 (videos like these are more influential than people think) making it a little easier to sell. On the other though, this video could make me want to keep it. Decisions, decisions...
3 Moog with keyboards (Subsequent 37, Grandmother, Matriarch). As for me the Subsequent 37 is a fantastic instrument. I think, not comparable with the Grandmother and the Matriarch. It sounds impressive paired with a user interface that makes fun to turn the knobs. Great synth (and maybe a GOAT instrument).
@@T-Hawkeyes The Grandmother sounds great and offers some patch points. If doing sound design the Grandmother is more difficult. The Sub lets you store your design efforts and is therefore more predictable (the sound you've stored can be recalled). Regarding the sound the Sub, my very personal opinion, offers more variations as parameters for osc1 and osc2 can be modified independent (and the sub for osc1 is really massive). As for me I use the GM more for arps and "clear" Moog sounds. Whereas the Sub is used for (very) deep and ambient sounds. As mentioned earlier both synths are hard to compare ... to use both offers best fun (for my kind of use).
I still have my Slim Phatty, and yeah, it takes at least 15 minutes to tune. Still, beautiful unit. I do love my Grandmother Dark; great synth. If I had unlimited funds, and space, I'd pick up a Sub37 in two seconds.
The grandmother is def a good rival. Of course, the grandmother doesn't have paraphonic capabilities but still killing bass and leads are possible, plus it offers patching.
I would buy the subsequent. I have the moog sub 37 but very soon there were problems with the headphone socket. No sound was heard through the headphone. And also no sound i heard through the output. Only when i put the volume of the headphone controller high i could hear sound through the speakers of my setup, but no sound through the headphone. Many moor sub37 have this. They solved it by making the subsequent.
I have one, and it is all that. Pairs so beautifully with so much. Lately I have it hooked up to an Analog Heat so I can send the envelopes out to the Heat's CV in and have a different flavour of filter and distortion. Previously I had it hooked up to a Behringer Model D as a massive outboard oscillator bank.
As a fellow Sub37 owner I have to agree with everything you said here Noir. Awesome video as always- loved it to bits! Have you compared the Sub37 to the grandmother?
Sup Dom, hope to see you again soon man! I did do a comparison video, although old and crappy, but I think I’m just too sentimental about it. Now, a matriarch, I might have to say 4 voices is better than 2 ☺️
@@NoirEtBlancVie aaah my bad! I actually meant the Matriarch! After having the Sub37 it’s hard to justify getting another monophonic synth from Moog (maybe apart from the discontinued Minimoog and the Moog ONE. Hope to see you soon indeed my man!
I had a sub phatty and korg arp odyssey and it was very clear the better synth was the moog. I absolutely loved that synth. Needed cash and had to sell them both. Was sad for a couple of years. Now I have the Sub 37 and Korg Prologue. Everything happens for a reason.
I still have my original Sub37, it has issues, but I’d say that a Sub37 in excellent quality is as good as any Subsequent37… just double check the filter knob before you buy 😋
@@Massproduce201 oof, well, I think the Subsequent IS better, but it’s too expensive…I wouldn’t get one for what they go for new. So a used subsequent37 would be my go to.
Lol, yeah every studio only needs one Moog synth you just have to find the one you need. Even when multiple are used one is usually favored. I think the Sirin is the best second Moog to have but that’s all subjective.
I have a Subsequent 37, but I just can't love it, however much I try. To me, it's overcooked sounding - as if it has everything fed through a compressor. Lacks subtlety and warmth. The build quality isn't great either, some of the buttons quickly became loose. For the price, I don't rate it. I'll probably seek a swap at some point.
Interesting. I sometimes play around with a SUBSEQUENT 37 when I'm at Guitar Center. I'm wondering what the differences are between the SUBSEQUENT 37 and the original SUB 37. They both look like the same synth.
The main difference is the original sub 37 has pretty intense distortion capabilities before and after the filter. When they released the Subsequent they toned down the gain in the distortion so it has a smoother sound. Neither one is better than the other it depends mainly on which type of sound you want to get from it.
Cool. Thank you both for the explanation. The wider range and better quality keyboard and smoother distortion must be a significant improvement over the original. It makes sense now. I figured Moog didn't just rename the synth for nothing. So, the SUBSEQUENT 37 is basically just an mkII version of the SUB 37. Cool.
@@kvmoore1 Its not so clear cut. Personally I prefer the distortion of the Sub 37 even though it can be more gritty but this video explains the differences. ruclips.net/video/fS8syO7u0fY/видео.html
@@DaveBessell Thank you very much for sharing that video. It's much more clearer to me now. So it appears to really be a matter of personal preference as to which version sounds more pleasing.
Hello from Tallinn, Estonia 🙋♂️🇪🇪What do you think is the difference between Moog Sub 37 and Subsequent 37 in terms of sound? Is it possible to say that Sub37 sounds fatter than the other
I love my stage II Phatty.I got the Moog Subsequent 37 CV version....I love my MOOGS....Sub phatty I got but it irritates me,it don't arp....if anybody knows how to make it arp let me know, please.
@@NoirEtBlancVie Thank you so much!! I’m just trying to keep up with you fam😅 Your video esthetic has been a huge influence/reference, so believe me that your comment means a lot to me! Thanks for the inspiration bro, keep killing it and don’t keep us waiting too long for the next one!🤟🏻
I would love to share this opinion, by owning it and scores of other synths to compare it to. My wife, however, prefers for me to wallow in the darkness of ignorance, because of money. But can one really put a price on knowledge?
I personally have a hard time having keyboard synths as mono synths or even duo or four polyphonic. I need all the keys or at least just as much as much fingers. As far as analog giants go, Moog is still giant, but I'd prefer modular of the giants than less polyphony. I tried, never got used to it, feels so limiting for me.
I really wonder when we all started feeling the need to say “in my opinion” after everything we say now. I think we’re all saying we’re afraid to have and give our opinion on anything without that disclaimer.
I kinda of agree, I realized people on the Internet think opinions are facts, so I just say it to make sure I don’t trigger people who think me saying something is good means it’s the ONLY thing that’s good.
@@NoirEtBlancVie I hear that. Lately its been running rampant at my job where a 30 minute meeting is 5-6 people saying "im my opinion" or "my two cents" for about 20 minutes of the meeting. I'm probably triggering all over the place.
Mannn. Your specific musical style would sound great with an Odyssey. I actually rewarded myself with both when I got a new job like 5 years back and thought the fundamental tone of the Odyssey was astounding and kept it a lot longer, I know YMMV, but you should try to find one to try out.
"Best" is subjective, but for sure I think it sits in it's own space. I picked up a Sub Phatty near the end of it's run for a discount. It's a bit scaled back in capabilities from the 37 as you described like not duophonic and as deep a mod matrix, but the main tone engine sounds great. If I could have afforded the 37 I'd have probably gone that route. I used to have a Prodigy and the Moog osc sync sound is different from Sequential, ARP, Korg and Oberheim. I still have the others, but the sync growl on the Moog betwein their oscillators and that ladder filter is so unique. They're all unique and stacking them together with slight variations of glide time is sonic roller coaster. The ARP reissues (and clones) sound great and are duophonic, but no memories can be a big difference to someone who isn't used to dialing up different sounds on the fly.
I sold most of my gear after getting this bad boy, if they made a fancy 4 voice poly version in the same comfy layout and shape (I guess the duo mode button could just be replaced with poly mode I guess) it be might even be only synth I'd own. It's great for bass and leads, but also sounds so nice multi tracked into pads etc.
turn down the oscillators to halfway, turn up your speakers or interface, enjoy a much smoother sound. Same thing goes for Pro 3, the highest volume of the OSC section is designed to be an overdriven sound
I only have two complaints with the Sub 37. I wish the factory presets didn't have so many prebaked sequences and I wisht the LFOs could track the keyboard and/or be enveloped so that you could use them as FM operators. I have already adjusted the presets on my units, but I'll be waiting til judgement day for the firmware update for the ladder. But when it comes to sound? It's flipping brilliant. I absolutely love the tone and interface, I never want to give it up.
The greatest ever or the synth that you’ve personally played more than any other instrument in that category? I know from watching your previous videos that you’ve been using that synth for awhile so it kind of feels like it’s a sentimental pick for you. Now, had you owned multiple monosynths over many generations of gear and this was your opinion, I’d probably view it differently. But again, it feels like it’s your pick because it’s the first synth you’ve gelled with and so for you, is your best ever. And besides, everyone knows the Pro 3 is the best ever. 😉
sub 37 is a strange unit, but definitely almost overrated. for modular sub 37 is the baddest idea - advantage for g'mum and m'arch. bay is full of unused sub 37. it seems more G.A.S then usability at all, especially behind moogs limited productions capacity.
I bought one of these used a couple years ago that had the wonky jumping filter pot! I emailed Moog and they sent me an entire replacement circuit board to drop in for the cost of shipping! ($20) No warranty, second owner, no questions asked they shipped it out to me.
Wow you got the royal treatment. I had to pay $500 for a defective headphone jack which ended up being a circuit board as well.
After about 25 or more years of not buying any music gear whatsoever, I had happened to walk into a music store, wandered the synth section and came across this beauty. I was smitten! It was switched on, and I played a few notes, twiddled a few knobs, and was absolutely in LOVE the sound, looks, and feel. It switched me on to loving making fun music again!
Love my Subsequent 37, the looks, the layout, and most important the sound! Such a phatt synth
every band i've seen live that uses synths has this on-stage and all over their bts pics. this is truly the best monosynth of all time!!
Great video, Noir! Every time I see you touch that synth during hangout jams it seems like such a different vibe than, say, the SV1. It's that feeling of switching from consummate keyboardist to sound investigator that I think Moog and its ilk really encourage. We should have a monosynth jam day this week or next to celebrate!
The Subsequent 37 is the only Moog I've been interested in. I've used/repaired a wide range of their products and they just don't do it for me. Don't get me wrong, Moog does what they do very well. It just isn't what I want.
Was finally planning on picking up a Subsequent 37 in 2020, but Sequential decided to debut the Pro 3.. I got the Pro 3 and do not regret it.
Same-ish. I also got a Pro 3, and basically haven''t touched my other synths since. I don't even have GAS any more. It's the kind of synth a person can grow old with, and still never run out of new things to try.
Same here - for me the PRO 3 is the greatest Mono Synth. Sold the SUB 37 never looked back
Yep! Pro 3 is ridiculous good.. and the SE edition is build quality is amazing.
@@nagchumpalot yalll are so stupid lmao as if this synth could compare to a Moog. Ask any pro legend. Mike Dean for example. Ashamed of you fucks.
2:32 oh yeah I do this for each gig, I let the synthesizers warm up for 30minutes every time xD
One time I played in an old champagne cave in france and the humidity made my poly synth sing like a police sirene lol
Of the affordable alternatives, I think the Novation Bass Station II is more like the Sub37 (or Sub25) than the Korg and Arturia synths.
I love the Sub37, although I don't have one. Someday though. On paper, I thought I'd prefer the Pro 2 due to its richer feature set, but when I actually played them, I preferred the sound of the Sub37. Or at the very least, Moog synths seem to have the most/widest sweet spots to my ears.
When I got it, I stopped using my Minimoog and eventually sold it. I tried replacing it with the One and then the Matriarch (originally named Big Momma, they should have kept that) but went back to the Sub37. It's just so damn playable and sounds great.
In the Subsequent release they scattered my presets to the wind and removed my initials from my favorite lead sound, but in the original Subsequent set they are most of Bank 8.
I am seeing Amos tonight and will show him your kind words. Thank you. Also, don't be a stranger! Come to Knobcon!
You sold your minimoog! Sub37 is great but sounds quite a bit different to the mini.
@@DaveBessell i thought I was going to be buying a new Minimoog but the Moog Music Inc discontinued them.
@@suitandtieguy I have the new one, I honestly think its better than the originals. Better in the sense that it has separate LFO, velocity sensitive keyboard (which makes a huge difference) and a few patch points on the back.
@suitandtieguy What has your experience with the Moog One been like?
I'm also curious to hear your thoughts on the One.
I consider the Subsequent my desert island monosynth, it's damn near perfect for an analog mono (although I do wish it utilized the screen to show a) the exact clock bpm and b) the currently rotating knob's value relative to the actual value of the parameter.)
But something about it is just inherently musical, like fat, saturated velvet flowing from my fingers to the speakers.
Every time I have played a One, on the other hand, I have struggled to coax actual music out of it. It's not a casual instrument. I'm sure it is capable of amazing things, but 30 minute sessions in Guitar Center are not gonna be enough to get most people up to speed with it. If Subsequent is a Maserati, the One is a Boeing 787.
My first Moog synth was a a Sub 37. I loved the sound that it produced and used it for years i eventually sold it to get my hands on a MiniMoog but if i get the chance to snag another one i would in a heartbeat, Great Video.
At the beginning of the pandemic I sold my op-1, sub 37, and tons of other equipment. I did it because I was worried about my business. My business did fine fortunately and last year I bought another the op-1 and a moog sub 25. I truly appreciated and enjoyed the sub 37 and had a hard time bonding with the 25. I finally am starting to bond with it but I do miss the 37. It’s a beast
I heard the two are actually a bit different, despite them having similar names. The subsequent 25 is supposedly based on the sub phatty, while the Subsequent 37 is based on the Sub 37.
@@amundbisgaard7295 Yeah, you can immediately see this from the front panels. The Sub 25 and the Sub Phatty have the same controls/front panel.
@@TheUnknownBass Neat...
My experience with the Sub37 is only positive. Never owned but played with a closed friend’s unit. Pure joy. A bit confusing at first but became so playable. I think it might’ve been the best mono synth… UNTIL the Grandmother came in and took that title(imho) lol. Great video as always!
moog will ship you a replacement board for free. I've never done any synth work or anything before but it's a fairly easy swap. Very, very worth it, no idea how you contend with the filter issue, must not be as bad on yours as it was on mine. So amazing once replaced dude, highly recommend going for that board replacement
i love my sub 37.. i do alot of gigs and this beautiful synth does it all with no problem of tuning or.... Moog sub 37 is a very very very good synth !
Great video. Like the Moog One, the only bad thing that can be said about the Sub37 is the sound. Personally I’ve gotten a lot of mileage out of mine and I love it. I do prefer the raw sound of the Matriarch and Mother 32, especially when I want something more vintage.
I agree, pushing past 12 o’clock on the oscillators is so fat on the matriarch.. the Sub37 has its own sound. Very different
I have a small studio and about 10 synths, and the Sub 37 is the most expensive one I own. But man, was it worth de money! It's by far my fav.
I recently went to a live show (yay) of Bonobo in Portland. He had one of these small Moogs (not sure which one) and it was awesome over the sound system. He would sit there on a key, tweaking and flooding the house in massive shirt-rattling bass. It made me want one, and a massive PA system. Great video!
Love the video. After having both I still prefer the little phatty. That’s in a studio setting though, so I totally get the tuning stability issues of playing live you pointed out. Just sonically a phatty guy. Really wish it had the paraphony and sequencer of the sub though
Dude I love your channel SO much. Thank you for every one of your productions!
Love it! Moog is a great company, and their packaging is always fun. Thank you for allowing me to live vicariously through your joy, until I get one of my own to play with.
Great video Noir! Two synths I bought this year were the Subsequent 37 & Prophet-6. Legendary pair, all the vibe I could ask for, I'm in love with them both, but my old CZ-1 still has my favourite synth title 😅 The noisy stereo chorus, old 12bit DAC, 8 stage envelopes for *everything* and PD synthesis make the most unique and character rich synth I've played. Programming is a must but it sounds brilliant. I really wish there was a modern version of the CZ though, because modern synths are so much better to work with.
Still need to figure out the Subsequent 37 plugin but I'm happy to use it hands-on anyways!
prob the only Moog, I will buy. only because playing with it at NAMM 2018 for only 5 min!!! so smooth, round & full......ahh...yes.
Everything about the sub 37 is great, EXCEPT the modulation busses.
I hate that I couldn't use them without giving up one of the LFO's, and while having multiple sources on a single bus can surprise with cool sounds, a lot of the time I only want one source to one destination, so essentially just 2 modulation rows. Pretty limiting in comparison these days.
Bothered me enough that I sold it! But still, I think about buying another like twice a month lmao
Good stuff, the consistently inconsistent king 😅🙏
The day after you posted this, my sweetwater rep called me to let me know they had gotten a batch of "imperfect" Sub 37s and 25s in from Moog... $330 off! I couldn't ignore that message from the synth gods! Really enjoyed the video, keep up the great work!
I love my original Sub 37. I never did get the filter pot replaced.
i remember Amos demonstrating some amazing sounds smiling and doing what i can only describe as the 'superman-clark kent' move, pushing his glasses back. I was instantly sold :)
nothing has that smudge like the Sub37. The Karp smokes it when it comes to deep bass, though.
I never knew that analog synthesizer's tuning behaves just like a guitar's tuning when exposed to vasprious climates. That's crazy. I know the tune knobs are present, but didn't realize they served that function.
And this is the kind of demonstration and review I would expect to see all the time.... informative, to the points, and HONEST... keyword - honest. This is geard towards being informative, and not som much as a sales promotion.
People will all have their own opinions of course! I’d argue the Voyager is the best Moog mono, but that the PRO3 is the best mono synth, and the PRO2 is the coolest not-poly synth, though not actually as good of a mono synth as the pro3, overall. The Voyager has the touch pad pplus wheels, the pro3 has the touch strip plus wheels, the pro2 has TWO strips plus wheels, but they are position AND pressure sensitive! Voyager has 3 oscillators and two filters, pro 3 has 3 filters, the pro2 has the super flexible dual-filter section. Yes, the 37 has a huge sweet spot, lots of knobs, stable, great modulation. But the pro3 is pretty much sweet spot, WAYYYY more modulation, tons of knobs.
My only gripe with mine (Subsequent 37) is the rubber coating on the mod and pitch bend wheels. They have gone sticky like a lot of rubber products do even though Ive never cleaned it with anything that would cause it go sticky. I managed to fix the issue using black butyl rubber tape (Self amalgamting tape) that when pulled tight over the wheel sticks really well. Not the best solution but at least they arent sticky anymore which was very distracting. Ive heard others have had this issue too.
I have the Subsequent 37 and Pro 3, I love both equally.
The Sub 37 Tribute Edition will always be the GOAT. I can't make a song without it . And I don't want to.
Damm it don't make the prices go UP!!!
I’m sorry.
Good video! I'd love to hear your perspective on the matriarch. I got to play one for about 10 minutes at knobcon and I haven't stopped thinking about it since
Great video. My vote for best ever mono is DSI Pro 2.
Pro3 is a better stand-alone mono, PRO2 is a more overall complete tool, between processing external audio, paraphonic use, and overall sound-shaping
Then try a Pro 3 SE edition worth the extra money for SE edition for incredible build, Like a modern Minimoog.
In the mid to late 90s, when I was talking to Robert Moog about the new synth he was making (came to be the Voyager) I told him it would be nice or a blessing if it could have more than one voice, or if you could add voice cards, I guess now with this and a few others, my ideas or suggestions have come to fruition. 😋 I wanted it to be a minimoog (I had one in the 90s) with memory and more filters, plus something extra. Maybe next they will add something new and exciting also.
Wait, can you explain using the Sub 37 sequencer as a phrase sampler? I'm very interested in this feature but haven't heard about it before now.
hi! and what about the sequential pro3? that's are my 2 options... the SUB37 and the PRO3
How would one think this is not the greatest synth of all time!!!
Certainly my fav, took me ages to buy one after trying all sorts of others including Pro 3 etc.. but now I have one it's staying forever.
Beautifully made video!
I’ve never warmed to my Sub37, I use it now and again, but fell in love with my OB6 and matriarch more.
Maybe I need to spend more time with it
You're a man of great taste :) It's my fav too :D
Another great lead synth that's _kind_ of fungible to the Sub37 is the IK Uno Synth Pro. It is not as friendly to edit but it's half the price and sounds great but different because of the filters.
I got one recently, almost singlehandedly on the strength of Matt Johnson (of Jamiroquai)'s demo and it really kicks ass! I opted for the keyboard version so can only speak to that iteration of it but it's built like an absolute tank too, which I wasn't expecting.
@@CatmanJimbo i love it. I'm trying to get some features implemented so I can use it instead of the Sub37. My live rig had to fit in a Suburban and every bit counts.
Obviously I haven’t tried every mono synth out there, but having both a Subsequent 37 and a Slim phatty I would definitely put the 37 up there… for 4 reasons:
1. The sound - it’s absolutely fat, organic, and unique. At first it was hard for me to get “gentle” tones out of it, but I learned it’s all in the gain staging (whereas in other synths VCA/DCA levels would typically be set high, here it starts overdriving past the middle point… it’s in the manual actually). That said, if you want gentle, airy tones get a Roland (I have those too).
2. It absolutely begs to be tweaked (but still has patch memory so you can save your sounds). The accessibility of parameters is great., I create new sounds on it all the time
3. It’s MUSICAL! The little tweaks you can make to envelope triggering, or assigning parameters to the mod wheel and other controls, makes it really great for expressive phrasing and funky bass lines.
4. Built like a brick - I don’t think I’ve seen a synth so well built since the original DX7,
I bought a sub25 a few months ago. I'm definitely happy with it, but I kinda wish I had waited for a sub37 to come back into stock... This video confirms that once more.
Some say that the sub 25 has a "warmer" bass sound than the 37.
Love the content man
Great sum up of the ups and few downs of the sub37.
How do you rate the keybed? I don't really really like it as much as I wanted to.
After many years of use, Sub37 will still creatively surprise you ...
I own many great monosynths - Grandmother, Korg MS20 (vintage), model D, Odyssey, Future retro XS and and yet I use Sub37 the most.
I have a Sub37 CV.
The rebuilt amp path with increased headroom giving more range from clean to reaaaalll dirty is nice.
Best out.
Now to find a way to get a One. Hahaha.
Facts I Love Mine it's my fave synth too I love Moog I have a matriarch too and it rock also
I recently moved into the synth area only using piano and VST before. I did find that I just did not use the VST that much. But after I bought a Quantum MK2 I use it every day. I'm looking at expanding into more analog synth. I consider Moog One (but costly and seem and loud fan etc), OB X8 (sounds great) and something like Subsequent 37. Struggle between picking. I like the Subsequent 37 because it is a lot cheaper and the sound is great. Any thoughts are welcome :)
Ordered the One, will see about Subsequent 37. It sounds great.
its my second desert synth after the MS-20
I had this synth for some time and really did not get on with it. I found it to be uninspiring for my musical tastes. It undeniably sounds fantastic, but I think I prefer synths that are a bit weirder :D
Moog has made so many classics I don't think it's even the best mono from their lineup. I think even sequential's Pro series have it beat especially the Pro 2. Very interesting choice.
This is either best or the worst-timed video for me right now as I'm moving toward selling my Sub 37.
On one hand, this is great because it should reinvigorate some interest on the market for the Sub 37 (videos like these are more influential than people think) making it a little easier to sell. On the other though, this video could make me want to keep it.
Decisions, decisions...
I pretended to myself that I was going to sell my Sub37 to fund a matriarch, bought one then kept the Sub37 as I couldn’t let it go 😅
Great review - thx
A classic, my fav.
3 Moog with keyboards (Subsequent 37, Grandmother, Matriarch). As for me the Subsequent 37 is a fantastic instrument. I think, not comparable with the Grandmother and the Matriarch. It sounds impressive paired with a user interface that makes fun to turn the knobs. Great synth (and maybe a GOAT instrument).
Like, its that much better than the Grandmother?
@@T-Hawkeyes The Grandmother sounds great and offers some patch points. If doing sound design the Grandmother is more difficult. The Sub lets you store your design efforts and is therefore more predictable (the sound you've stored can be recalled). Regarding the sound the Sub, my very personal opinion, offers more variations as parameters for osc1 and osc2 can be modified independent (and the sub for osc1 is really massive).
As for me I use the GM more for arps and "clear" Moog sounds. Whereas the Sub is used for (very) deep and ambient sounds. As mentioned earlier both synths are hard to compare ... to use both offers best fun (for my kind of use).
I still have my Slim Phatty, and yeah, it takes at least 15 minutes to tune. Still, beautiful unit. I do love my Grandmother Dark; great synth. If I had unlimited funds, and space, I'd pick up a Sub37 in two seconds.
The grandmother is def a good rival. Of course, the grandmother doesn't have paraphonic capabilities but still killing bass and leads are possible, plus it offers patching.
you really need to try vintage moog. its on another level to the new stuff, and I like the new stuff!
I would buy the subsequent. I have the moog sub 37 but very soon there were problems with the headphone socket. No sound was heard through the headphone. And also no sound i heard through the output. Only when i put the volume of the headphone controller high i could hear sound through the speakers of my setup, but no sound through the headphone. Many moor sub37 have this. They solved it by making the subsequent.
Bro I've been LUSTING after the Sub37 CV for a years
I have one, and it is all that. Pairs so beautifully with so much. Lately I have it hooked up to an Analog Heat so I can send the envelopes out to the Heat's CV in and have a different flavour of filter and distortion. Previously I had it hooked up to a Behringer Model D as a massive outboard oscillator bank.
Dope vid bro!
Thanks you man! You gonna make it to NAMM? 👀
@@NoirEtBlancVie Nah, gonna sit this one out lol.
In my opinion, that honour goes to the MFB Dominion.
As a fellow Sub37 owner I have to agree with everything you said here Noir. Awesome video as always- loved it to bits! Have you compared the Sub37 to the grandmother?
Sup Dom, hope to see you again soon man! I did do a comparison video, although old and crappy, but I think I’m just too sentimental about it. Now, a matriarch, I might have to say 4 voices is better than 2 ☺️
@@NoirEtBlancVie aaah my bad! I actually meant the Matriarch! After having the Sub37 it’s hard to justify getting another monophonic synth from Moog (maybe apart from the discontinued Minimoog and the Moog ONE. Hope to see you soon indeed my man!
I had a sub phatty and korg arp odyssey and it was very clear the better synth was the moog. I absolutely loved that synth. Needed cash and had to sell them both. Was sad for a couple of years. Now I have the Sub 37 and Korg Prologue. Everything happens for a reason.
Two years in Still learning ...I did sell the Little Fatty
The Grandmother is the best mono synth ever.
Is the duo sound at the beginning of the video a preset? that sounds very cool!
It’s a tweaked preset, mainly to make it more typical, usable. Though, it’s not very complex.
Sub 37 vs Subsequent 37 would you recommend one over the other or are the differences subtle enough where you would opt for the lowest priced option?
I still have my original Sub37, it has issues, but I’d say that a Sub37 in excellent quality is as good as any Subsequent37… just double check the filter knob before you buy 😋
@@NoirEtBlancVie I would most likely be buying online so no chance in testing before buying 🤷♂️
@@Massproduce201 oof, well, I think the Subsequent IS better, but it’s too expensive…I wouldn’t get one for what they go for new. So a used subsequent37 would be my go to.
@@NoirEtBlancVie Thank you
I enjoy your videos
Sub37 i thought was cool, but the subsequent 37 blew me away.. But i couldn't afford it.. But i love my mother 32
Lol, yeah every studio only needs one Moog synth you just have to find the one you need. Even when multiple are used one is usually favored. I think the Sirin is the best second Moog to have but that’s all subjective.
I have a Subsequent 37, but I just can't love it, however much I try. To me, it's overcooked sounding - as if it has everything fed through a compressor. Lacks subtlety and warmth. The build quality isn't great either, some of the buttons quickly became loose. For the price, I don't rate it. I'll probably seek a swap at some point.
excellent video
Nice, but i prefer the Pro 3 👍
Interesting. I sometimes play around with a SUBSEQUENT 37 when I'm at Guitar Center. I'm wondering what the differences are between the SUBSEQUENT 37 and the original SUB 37. They both look like the same synth.
Subsequent has a wider range of multidrive and a Bretter keyboard.
The main difference is the original sub 37 has pretty intense distortion capabilities before and after the filter. When they released the Subsequent they toned down the gain in the distortion so it has a smoother sound. Neither one is better than the other it depends mainly on which type of sound you want to get from it.
Cool. Thank you both for the explanation. The wider range and better quality keyboard and smoother distortion must be a significant improvement over the original. It makes sense now. I figured Moog didn't just rename the synth for nothing. So, the SUBSEQUENT 37 is basically just an mkII version of the SUB 37.
Cool.
@@kvmoore1 Its not so clear cut. Personally I prefer the distortion of the Sub 37 even though it can be more gritty but this video explains the differences. ruclips.net/video/fS8syO7u0fY/видео.html
@@DaveBessell Thank you very much for sharing that video. It's much more clearer to me now. So it appears to really be a matter of personal preference as to which version sounds more pleasing.
Hello from Tallinn, Estonia 🙋♂️🇪🇪What do you think is the difference between Moog Sub 37 and Subsequent 37 in terms of sound? Is it possible to say that Sub37 sounds fatter than the other
I think there is a very nice video on RUclips comparing these two. I will try to find it for you.
I love my stage II Phatty.I got the Moog Subsequent 37 CV version....I love my MOOGS....Sub phatty I got but it irritates me,it don't arp....if anybody knows how to make it arp let me know, please.
Amazing video dude! Love my sub37 to death❤
Heeeeeeey buddy! What can you say, it’s a freaking classic. Also, great stuff over there, more and more your vids are so aesthetic AF!
@@NoirEtBlancVie Thank you so much!! I’m just trying to keep up with you fam😅 Your video esthetic has been a huge influence/reference, so believe me that your comment means a lot to me! Thanks for the inspiration bro, keep killing it and don’t keep us waiting too long for the next one!🤟🏻
Sub37 CV is GOAT!
A serious synth for the serious synthesist! There's plenty of other more "colorful" options for the Hipsters out there.
I would love to share this opinion, by owning it and scores of other synths to compare it to. My wife, however, prefers for me to wallow in the darkness of ignorance, because of money. But can one really put a price on knowledge?
Sub37 Is fantastic but nothing can beat a pro2
I personally have a hard time having keyboard synths as mono synths or even duo or four polyphonic. I need all the keys or at least just as much as much fingers. As far as analog giants go, Moog is still giant, but I'd prefer modular of the giants than less polyphony. I tried, never got used to it, feels so limiting for me.
I really wonder when we all started feeling the need to say “in my opinion” after everything we say now. I think we’re all saying we’re afraid to have and give our opinion on anything without that disclaimer.
I kinda of agree, I realized people on the Internet think opinions are facts, so I just say it to make sure I don’t trigger people who think me saying something is good means it’s the ONLY thing that’s good.
@@NoirEtBlancVie I hear that. Lately its been running rampant at my job where a 30 minute meeting is 5-6 people saying "im my opinion" or "my two cents" for about 20 minutes of the meeting. I'm probably triggering all over the place.
Mannn. Your specific musical style would sound great with an Odyssey. I actually rewarded myself with both when I got a new job like 5 years back and thought the fundamental tone of the Odyssey was astounding and kept it a lot longer, I know YMMV, but you should try to find one to try out.
try to calculate: 111/ 37, 222/37, 333/37, etc...:)
They are going for $1899 now…
I am a MFB Dominian 1
"Best" is subjective, but for sure I think it sits in it's own space. I picked up a Sub Phatty near the end of it's run for a discount. It's a bit scaled back in capabilities from the 37 as you described like not duophonic and as deep a mod matrix, but the main tone engine sounds great. If I could have afforded the 37 I'd have probably gone that route. I used to have a Prodigy and the Moog osc sync sound is different from Sequential, ARP, Korg and Oberheim. I still have the others, but the sync growl on the Moog betwein their oscillators and that ladder filter is so unique. They're all unique and stacking them together with slight variations of glide time is sonic roller coaster.
The ARP reissues (and clones) sound great and are duophonic, but no memories can be a big difference to someone who isn't used to dialing up different sounds on the fly.
I sold most of my gear after getting this bad boy, if they made a fancy 4 voice poly version in the same comfy layout and shape (I guess the duo mode button could just be replaced with poly mode I guess) it be might even be only synth I'd own. It's great for bass and leads, but also sounds so nice multi tracked into pads etc.
It is. Let’s not argue nor take time to discuss it. 2+2=4
Mono synth!!!!!!!
I wish it was creamier. Would love a minimoog sounding moog with those modulation features. It’s too dirty for my taste
Get a Matriarch
turn down the oscillators to halfway, turn up your speakers or interface, enjoy a much smoother sound. Same thing goes for Pro 3, the highest volume of the OSC section is designed to be an overdriven sound
I only have two complaints with the Sub 37. I wish the factory presets didn't have so many prebaked sequences and I wisht the LFOs could track the keyboard and/or be enveloped so that you could use them as FM operators. I have already adjusted the presets on my units, but I'll be waiting til judgement day for the firmware update for the ladder. But when it comes to sound? It's flipping brilliant. I absolutely love the tone and interface, I never want to give it up.
The greatest ever or the synth that you’ve personally played more than any other instrument in that category? I know from watching your previous videos that you’ve been using that synth for awhile so it kind of feels like it’s a sentimental pick for you. Now, had you owned multiple monosynths over many generations of gear and this was your opinion, I’d probably view it differently. But again, it feels like it’s your pick because it’s the first synth you’ve gelled with and so for you, is your best ever.
And besides, everyone knows the Pro 3 is the best ever. 😉
Clearly Noir hasn't owned a MS-20
For me it's the pro-2
I’m seeing a lot of love for the Pro-2 in the comments…interesting 😊
sub 37 is a strange unit, but definitely almost overrated. for modular sub 37 is the baddest idea - advantage for g'mum and m'arch. bay is full of unused sub 37. it seems more G.A.S then usability at all, especially behind moogs limited productions capacity.