I feel like lizardmen should have same bonuses as Wood Elves just a tiny bit toned down. At the very least the large entity penalty removed but also missile infantry should be fairly accurate even in the forest.
the lizard infantry and kroxigors should atleast get woodsman, and the dinos themselves not be hindered by forests like say dragons should, just doesnt feel right with them being hindered by being in woods
It's a real pet peeve of mine the way the enemy can somehow rout *through* you so that when they rally they're conveniently placed to attack your backline. The Skaven AI is an absolute master at it.
CA wasnt able to prevent the AI routing into your settlement during sieges... Its even more annoying when a 3 entity leftover skavenslave unit rallies and start capturing your settlement.
the real problem here isnt even how the AI can do that, its how bad your units are at finishing off routing units. In medieval or Shogun 2 a unit routing into yours would be dead within seconds
@@gustavosanches3454 It got better in a recent patch, but it could get even better still. Right now you can at least sic some houndlike unit on a routing foe and they mulch them fast.
@@NaimHrustanovic hounds pursuing weaker enemies in an open map do the job well, but if its any other scenario the routing unit will just not die and disturb your unit formation, its especially frustrating when youre trying to quickly smash a unit with cavalry and the routing unit wont just die and get your entire unit messed up.
The start of this fight was peak-Skaven. Just the fucking rats crawling out of every corner and the army failing forward by having routing units find all your hidden units. The plagueclaw catapult bombing their own forces is the Skaven-cherry on the Skaven-sunday
I've only been watching for a month or so but it's really nice just sitting down with a cup of coffee and watch your videos. Thank you for the content!
Classic Lizardman noob mistake: recruiting Skink Cohorts over Skink with Javelins. They're the exact same unit but Javelins have the missile attack and slightly more expensive upkeep.
I thought the Javelin ammo was so limited as to be almost not worth it? Idk I feel like I always run out of ammo with them so quickly. Edit: I just realized you were talking about javelin instead of regular cohorts rather than instead of skink skirmishers. I couldn't tell on the unit cards until I watched in full screen.
Just playing a Tehenuin campaign, im so surprised that this player didn't get into a deathwar with skrolk from turn 3. In my game we had fullblown war the moment we met.
SILLY SOTEK! I love playing Tehenhauin. My usual tactics: Destroy Skrolk asap, confederate Oxyotl asap to gain access to Skink Oracles, scam the french on the north east coast, get free buildings, build the buildings to get high rank heroes, spam high level slann and use them to troll the dark elves and markus, launch an invasion to france and farm ikit claw for the defeat trait, also launch an invasion to kairos.
Sacrifices for the Sacrefice throne! There can only be Total War against Skaven! No diplomacy, only War! More Sacrifices! Oh Tehenhauin, why are your eyes so red? And oh Tehenhauin why does a Skink like you have a big horn growing out of your skull?
I'm surprised Skrolk is even alive this far into the campaign. Taking him out as soon as you possibly can is paramount for a successful Cult of Sotek game! Skaven have too big of an advantage in the jungle (shouldn't that be the Lizardmen?) due to Underway stance - you can't leave them alive or they will overwhelm you come mid-game.
Considering it's already turn 30 not much seemed to have been done in that campaign, or at least have been a "1 step forward,1 step back kind of situation", where the player could not or did not press their advantage and hold new territory for long. Maybe they sent their army down to try and help Oxyotl in the wasteland early on and then Kairos flipped the players settlements to Oxyotl or some enemy, while losing way too much time in unfavorable climate?
@@adriankoch964 Having recently played a Sotek Campaign... Fighting Skrolk normally happens in the first couple of turns, even? Isn't he legit right next to you? Very odd he is still alive
One of the best disaster battles in a while. This was actually super impressive, especially avoiding the army loss at the end. I could not beat this even if i tried it a hundred times.
I genuinely hate how much you have to baby a unit to get them to somewhat follow your orders in this game, borderline unacceptable for this type of game. "Need you to attack the general, no not the infantry behind you, the general. Attack the general, you have the mass required to push through the infantry just do that. No, stop attacking the infantry, attack the general", you just aren't allowed to tell them to do something and focus on something else
Oh, there is a handful of lost models that slightly clipped the edge of your unit on the way past, better completely stop charging the unit you clicked on and slowly blob up and fight an entirely different unit that is for some reason scattered all over the map. Oh, there is 4 horseman that got stuck in the charge. EVERYONE TURN BACK! NO MAN LEFT BEHIND! Tell people to move: "EVERYONE SINGLE FILE LINE MARCH NOW!" (Seriously, why does it do that? you see it a few times here" Fire while moving units: randomly waste ammo at nothing when they start moving sometimes. _ You kinda forget how many small issues are in the game that you've just learned to play around, until you play a Campaign with someone that is new, and have a lot of "Oh, yeah, that one. you can do this to get around it" It extends to the campaign map too.
Damn, impressive. I'd love it if you did a video going over your thought process/principles that you adhere to when coming up with ways to win battles. I think it could be really informative for a low level player like myself.
@@CyrodiilComeThat and the geomantic web is so boring, if they fix those the faction needs no other work, their roster is large and while not super varied it fits their style, and god are their hero’s fun to use, it just sucks the basic faction mechanics are so bad
They also "unintentionally nerfed" the bastilodon missile strength from 300 to 150 "because of a mistake" on the release of Karanak dlc. Which meant that they basically killed lizardmen mid/late game entirely. Not to mention that the vassal bug made it so vassals gave no income, meaning that you were losing money playing Nakai WITH JUST ONE ARMY even though your vassal owned 50 cities. Not to mention the geomantic bonuses provide no real benefit. Not to mention that Mazdamundi feels awful to play where he is on the map. They gave Kroqgar a pity buff recently because he was actually weaker at level 50 than his own saurus heroes. The lizardmen are in an awful spot right now.
It's really satisfying seeing someone so much better than me make the impossible achievable. That's an alt f4 start a new campaign for me 100 times out of 100
This fight reminds me of one of my first decisive defeat auto resolve that I manual fought.. it was literally down to my lord (Dont remember who but they were on a flying mount) and grombrindal.. only won because i cycle charged knocking the annoying dwarf back until i wiped him out... was a long battle but that was a glorious battle.
Hell yeah. Beating the auto-resolve is such a cathartic feeling. Done it a few times with my first Lizard campaign (Kroq-gar, Tzeentch is a bitch) but haven't done too many manuals since I left that one behind a few weeks ago
Fleeing units drive me nuts in this game. They take too long to run down and they discover stalking units. What are they doing? Running hyper vigilantly or fleeing?! They shouldn't be able to see and should be able to be mowed down far easier, especially after victory has been declared
Can I just say, as I was eating dinner while watching this, this was absolutely fucking incredible as someone who gets fucked by skavrn when I play the empire on normal, you are truely amazing at this game haha
the plague of the routing unit! Happened to me recently, doing something very similar. Maybe not as bad as this though. e.g. I had way more chameleon skinks.
It seems like there are 2 chokepoints at the north edge of his deployment area, around the middle of the map. I'm curious why fighting a defensive battle there was un-doable. I'm not trying to troll; I am genuinely curious.
Guess I'd better reevaluate my entire opinion of Skinks. I thought they were low-tier fodder, expendable. Nah, they held the damn line here. Granted, Legend's a LOT better than me, but still
@@eshaan570I disagree, while teleport stance is more powerful, Tzeentch can only teleport ambush once per turn while Skaven can do it multiple times. Or ambush one army and then withdraw from the area. Teleport stance isn’t as flexible.
During the last phase of the battle a really grave mistake by legend here he should have gone for the remaining artillery skavens there even if they are not at the artillery the balance of power counts towards their remaining ammunition and once they break it would've helped for mass route easily even if Skrolk was there
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anyone else find it weird that the dinosaurs cant hide in trees or fight well inside forests when they exist in the most forested area in the world?
Depends on the dino, some were grazing plains and less forested areas.
The SFO mod let you hide carnosaurs in the woods at one point, haven't tried it lately.
I feel like lizardmen should have same bonuses as Wood Elves just a tiny bit toned down. At the very least the large entity penalty removed but also missile infantry should be fairly accurate even in the forest.
I see you too much
the lizard infantry and kroxigors should atleast get woodsman, and the dinos themselves not be hindered by forests like say dragons should, just doesnt feel right with them being hindered by being in woods
It's a real pet peeve of mine the way the enemy can somehow rout *through* you so that when they rally they're conveniently placed to attack your backline. The Skaven AI is an absolute master at it.
CA wasnt able to prevent the AI routing into your settlement during sieges... Its even more annoying when a 3 entity leftover skavenslave unit rallies and start capturing your settlement.
Skaven tactic.
the real problem here isnt even how the AI can do that, its how bad your units are at finishing off routing units. In medieval or Shogun 2 a unit routing into yours would be dead within seconds
@@gustavosanches3454 It got better in a recent patch, but it could get even better still. Right now you can at least sic some houndlike unit on a routing foe and they mulch them fast.
@@NaimHrustanovic hounds pursuing weaker enemies in an open map do the job well, but if its any other scenario the routing unit will just not die and disturb your unit formation, its especially frustrating when youre trying to quickly smash a unit with cavalry and the routing unit wont just die and get your entire unit messed up.
i think 99,9% of all players would loose this battle, true legend
"Skrolk has been busy this campaign, and YOU HAVENT BEEN!"
*EMOTIONAL DAMAGE!!!!!* 😂😂
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH 🤣🤣😂😂😂🤣🤣😂😂😂🤣🤣😂🤣😂
The start of this fight was peak-Skaven. Just the fucking rats crawling out of every corner and the army failing forward by having routing units find all your hidden units. The plagueclaw catapult bombing their own forces is the Skaven-cherry on the Skaven-sunday
Aw I saw "campaign disaster" and thought it was a SYDC. Thanks for the content as always Legend!
What does SYDC mean? Is it how you kids today say sike?
@@halwakka504 SYDC - saving your disaster campaign
SYDB - saving your disaster battle
@@dudeimjames3638 Holy shit, I don't know I missed that one.
Got so excited - I thought this was a Saving Your Disaster Campaign! Still, cool video
08:08 thank god the bell is down DING DING DING
DING DONG THE WICKED RAT IS GONE
Ding dong gone, carry on
@@stevenseagull4990 Ding Dong! We’re gonna make it! Wohoo! Ding Dong, we did it! We.....*looks at Ark of Sotek*....Ding Dong?
I've only been watching for a month or so but it's really nice just sitting down with a cup of coffee and watch your videos. Thank you for the content!
Classic Lizardman noob mistake: recruiting Skink Cohorts over Skink with Javelins.
They're the exact same unit but Javelins have the missile attack and slightly more expensive upkeep.
yeah...javelin units are very cost efficient though. Way better than normal cohort units
I thought the Javelin ammo was so limited as to be almost not worth it? Idk I feel like I always run out of ammo with them so quickly.
Edit: I just realized you were talking about javelin instead of regular cohorts rather than instead of skink skirmishers. I couldn't tell on the unit cards until I watched in full screen.
Just playing a Tehenuin campaign, im so surprised that this player didn't get into a deathwar with skrolk from turn 3. In my game we had fullblown war the moment we met.
Literally, been playing this Campaign last few days, they were the second faction i finished off, idk why he let them be for so long.
SILLY SOTEK!
I love playing Tehenhauin.
My usual tactics: Destroy Skrolk asap, confederate Oxyotl asap to gain access to Skink Oracles, scam the french on the north east coast, get free buildings, build the buildings to get high rank heroes, spam high level slann and use them to troll the dark elves and markus, launch an invasion to france and farm ikit claw for the defeat trait, also launch an invasion to kairos.
Sacrifices for the Sacrefice throne! There can only be Total War against Skaven! No diplomacy, only War! More Sacrifices!
Oh Tehenhauin, why are your eyes so red? And oh Tehenhauin why does a Skink like you have a big horn growing out of your skull?
How do you do this easily?
I'm surprised Skrolk is even alive this far into the campaign. Taking him out as soon as you possibly can is paramount for a successful Cult of Sotek game! Skaven have too big of an advantage in the jungle (shouldn't that be the Lizardmen?) due to Underway stance - you can't leave them alive or they will overwhelm you come mid-game.
Considering it's already turn 30 not much seemed to have been done in that campaign, or at least have been a "1 step forward,1 step back kind of situation", where the player could not or did not press their advantage and hold new territory for long.
Maybe they sent their army down to try and help Oxyotl in the wasteland early on and then Kairos flipped the players settlements to Oxyotl or some enemy, while losing way too much time in unfavorable climate?
@@adriankoch964 Having recently played a Sotek Campaign... Fighting Skrolk normally happens in the first couple of turns, even? Isn't he legit right next to you? Very odd he is still alive
@@adriankoch964you literally fight him in turn 3
One of the best disaster battles in a while. This was actually super impressive, especially avoiding the army loss at the end. I could not beat this even if i tried it a hundred times.
Holy balls, what a meat grinder. Pretty sure I would have lost my grip on that one 5 minutes in (at most).
I genuinely hate how much you have to baby a unit to get them to somewhat follow your orders in this game, borderline unacceptable for this type of game. "Need you to attack the general, no not the infantry behind you, the general. Attack the general, you have the mass required to push through the infantry just do that. No, stop attacking the infantry, attack the general", you just aren't allowed to tell them to do something and focus on something else
Oh, there is a handful of lost models that slightly clipped the edge of your unit on the way past, better completely stop charging the unit you clicked on and slowly blob up and fight an entirely different unit that is for some reason scattered all over the map.
Oh, there is 4 horseman that got stuck in the charge. EVERYONE TURN BACK! NO MAN LEFT BEHIND!
Tell people to move: "EVERYONE SINGLE FILE LINE MARCH NOW!" (Seriously, why does it do that? you see it a few times here"
Fire while moving units: randomly waste ammo at nothing when they start moving sometimes.
_
You kinda forget how many small issues are in the game that you've just learned to play around, until you play a Campaign with someone that is new, and have a lot of "Oh, yeah, that one. you can do this to get around it"
It extends to the campaign map too.
Damn, impressive.
I'd love it if you did a video going over your thought process/principles that you adhere to when coming up with ways to win battles. I think it could be really informative for a low level player like myself.
It feels like 1000 years since we had lizardboys on the channel. Nobody plays them these days?
Their tech tree makes my skin crawl
Guess everyone is waiting for their campaign update
@@CyrodiilComeThat and the geomantic web is so boring, if they fix those the faction needs no other work, their roster is large and while not super varied it fits their style, and god are their hero’s fun to use, it just sucks the basic faction mechanics are so bad
They also "unintentionally nerfed" the bastilodon missile strength from 300 to 150 "because of a mistake" on the release of Karanak dlc. Which meant that they basically killed lizardmen mid/late game entirely. Not to mention that the vassal bug made it so vassals gave no income, meaning that you were losing money playing Nakai WITH JUST ONE ARMY even though your vassal owned 50 cities. Not to mention the geomantic bonuses provide no real benefit. Not to mention that Mazdamundi feels awful to play where he is on the map. They gave Kroqgar a pity buff recently because he was actually weaker at level 50 than his own saurus heroes. The lizardmen are in an awful spot right now.
It's really satisfying seeing someone so much better than me make the impossible achievable. That's an alt f4 start a new campaign for me 100 times out of 100
TBH can’t believe you won that, crazy battle. GG
Your will to win is impressive.
the ultimate campaign ending disaster is when the game just decides to keep crashing when you end your turn on turn 60
This fight reminds me of one of my first decisive defeat auto resolve that I manual fought.. it was literally down to my lord (Dont remember who but they were on a flying mount) and grombrindal.. only won because i cycle charged knocking the annoying dwarf back until i wiped him out... was a long battle but that was a glorious battle.
Hell yeah. Beating the auto-resolve is such a cathartic feeling. Done it a few times with my first Lizard campaign (Kroq-gar, Tzeentch is a bitch) but haven't done too many manuals since I left that one behind a few weeks ago
This army DESPERATELY needs a skink oracle. Every single Lizardman army should have one.
I would imagine this was too early game for a skink oracle to be available considering they're tier 4, though they are amazing heroes.
6:00 how appropriately skaven lmao
Fleeing units drive me nuts in this game. They take too long to run down and they discover stalking units.
What are they doing? Running hyper vigilantly or fleeing?! They shouldn't be able to see and should be able to be mowed down far easier, especially after victory has been declared
Look how much damage they did. And the heroes... still alive.
But legend, you’re supposed to form up your units using traditional tactics and lose the battle because this is not how CA intended people to play!
"Skaven must win in the end, the Vermintide is canon for WH Fantasy! Anything else is cheese!"
@@adriankoch964 😂
That looked like a very nasty fight. Well done!
I just total war medieval 2 dinfinitve edition thx for introducing me to total war
Dang that battle was a Tehenhauin out of Ten, well done!
Can I just say, as I was eating dinner while watching this, this was absolutely fucking incredible as someone who gets fucked by skavrn when I play the empire on normal, you are truely amazing at this game haha
Are doom bells made annoying on purpose so players target them sooner?
yes yes
That was one of the toughest one to date
Dude just won a battle against 4 armies with an army of SKINK COHORTS. You are not a legend. You are a myth.
Was pretty impressed with this. I don't think I could have won this one.
when you've bok'd your last bok.
This battle is super intense ❤
the plague of the routing unit! Happened to me recently, doing something very similar. Maybe not as bad as this though. e.g. I had way more chameleon skinks.
how meny times you think the sender reloaded and ended the turn to get a battle were he didnt get ambushed
In TWWH2 routing and broken units didn't reveal hidden units, why did they change that?
Alternate title to this video could have been "DONG DONG DONG DONG DONG"
Super impressive.
I'm curious if Legend's actually lost any of these disaster battles. Or rather lost on camera.
Does anyone know if legend uses the camera mod
It seems like there are 2 chokepoints at the north edge of his deployment area, around the middle of the map. I'm curious why fighting a defensive battle there was un-doable. I'm not trying to troll; I am genuinely curious.
you can call him teeny wheeny
I saw it and I still do not understand, how you did it.
wait, why is skrolk not unbreakable yet
Decieve defeat... hmm.
Thats because they didnt have the DOOM skink guy with'em.
Just started wartching but im guessingbitsca bit late in the campaign for skinks
TWW needs a "no dong" option in the audio menu.
Guess I'd better reevaluate my entire opinion of Skinks. I thought they were low-tier fodder, expendable. Nah, they held the damn line here.
Granted, Legend's a LOT better than me, but still
Around 39:18 the skinks unit loses some of its ammunition... Does anyone know why??
They didn't lose any ammo. Legend swapped the order of the two chameleon skink units and one of them had less ammo than the other.
It doesn't. Two unit cards switched places.
@@atticlion7648 Oh of course, my bad! Thanks
@@Vasiliy_Nikulin Oh of course, my bad! Thanks
10% luck, 90% skill
Awesome win, but not sure, what's the point of this? If you about to lose campaign, just start freakin new one. :D
6:25 i like how the unit flee through the 8 foot ntall monstres instead od running opposit direction, " Not Immersive"
Don’t you kill this skaven faction in like the first 10 turns? 😂
ah yes skinks that reminds me why i never play lizardmen in ttw3,
if you like the first 30 turns just commanding skinks this is your cmpaign :D
Damn Legend, I'll smack You up if You dare to say that "oh i just know a bit if cheese that's all". No my friend, You are a freaking LEGEND!
Tis but a scratch
Scratch but a tis
Skaven ambush is the most op mechanic in the entire game
tzeench ambush is objectively more op
@@eshaan570I disagree, while teleport stance is more powerful, Tzeentch can only teleport ambush once per turn while Skaven can do it multiple times. Or ambush one army and then withdraw from the area. Teleport stance isn’t as flexible.
@@maxpower3990 i meant more annoying to deal with when the ai is using it. As player yes skaven ambush is more op
It's up there, but Be'lakor's infinite army teleport spam is still stronger.
@@mattandrews2594 i think he meant annoying to go against than op
Damn 😂
real
1 minute ago and already 3 bot comments
4 Slaanesh bots so far
The dreaded talking butts
you know this guy is new when you see he is recruiting club skinks lmao
Wow
I never understand players how are doing more less nothing in the early game, Why? Can someone explain that?
Turn 31 💀
AI so dumb or Legend so good?
Both. Legend has mastered how to manipulate the dumb AI into making horrible decisions.
During the last phase of the battle a really grave mistake by legend here he should have gone for the remaining artillery skavens there even if they are not at the artillery the balance of power counts towards their remaining ammunition and once they break it would've helped for mass route easily even if Skrolk was there
Increase dpi!
500k subs and still no ssd still no ram, what are you playing on potato or something?
Total war warhammer is ahdh dream, fk this shit rome 2 was better
@@tomaszmurzyn9123 yeah they're both better games mate, you like these over the original war based games as apposed to this shit?
god the lizards are boring , remove them from the game.
You sound like a dwarf player