Tau player here, that detachment for us is cracked and is easily high A tier, the amount of shenanigans and board control we’re going to be able to have is stupid. This is very RTT much a control detachment and aims at denying scoring to the max and then scoring to the max ourselves
@Happykrumpingwargaming007 Thanks for great video. May I ask you for the list of Black Templars you mentioned at 1:02:00 with name "bloody rose road" I am running 10 men Terminators with FNP whole year and I would love to learn from your list.
The new World Eaters detachment is very strong. The only thing is you miss the sticky on death against shooting armies. Its a pretty big hit, but giving 3 units run and charge demand is big game.
The necron detachment is something else . It feels like one of those rule sets you suppose to get after years of having bad rules. It is just that necron didn't have bad rules lol. I wish the changes to dreadnoughts were data sheet ones and not detachment based. Aside the whole FW thing, the detachment means dreadnoughts stay very bad in every other detachment, and there is zero chance GW will change it in the future , because the dread detachment exists. Which again means owning one dread is not an option, you need to have 5-7 , on top of calladius etc.
bro, i super appreciate your support and love chatting with you in these comment sections, but honestly. i think you need to take a break and just play for fun or trade your army for a new one. You are so negative at all times i worry your love of the game is going to completely fizzle out.
@@Happykrumpingwargaming007no he has a point. Also, trading armies is super expensive and just bad advice as many people get into factions due to rule of cool or cool lore. Of course being a negative Nancy at all times isn't good, and playing with friends fluffy detachments is always fun. Take Tyranid warriors for example. They should have a 5+ invuln but because this warrior detachment exist, they'll never receive it. Outside of this detachment, I don't think I'll ever run ranged warriors which is a shame because I think they're cool for lore reasons on how versatile they are. So what OP says is valid, there's no in-between of having 1 or having 5 and not everyone has infinite disposable income.
Recently won a game with angelic inheritors vs astra militarum, my impression with my current list which is a very borja esque list i'd say that the fall back shoot and charge I used once but it stopped an action being completed, the enhancement that stops overwatch on a cap leading a 6 man sanguinary guard is very difficult to deal with for you opponent and the rerolls were very very significant though it hurts that you don't get the 2str and 1 attack in my opinion if gw wants to make all other detachments viable they just must do away with the 2str and 1 attack and add it as an army rule for blood angels since now oath is quite premium to ultramarines and the other unappriciated legions. I used only one of the strats, felt nice to not be battleshocked for once to get lance and lethals, the rest though I tried to use them just felt better off chucking a granade, overwatch with a baal or tankshock. TL; DR Angelic Inheritors good, though slightly weaker than Liberator but viable
@@TheRedVyper er my idea is not great, but how about once per battle for a round get army-wide devastating wounds, for units that are in melee or something along those lines
@@pound9981 I think a +2 to movement would be better. Devastating wounds once per battle isn’t enough as we saw with Astorath. Even now when he has it on charge, he isn’t really used
2x tankbustas with mek with shokk attack gun... 4+, rr1s... mayhem With these, during a single turn of shooting... I killed 3 adeptus custodes bikes, 1 custo dread hero in the new detachment, 4 wardens. The look on opponents face...
I feel you will need to move GSC down to B or C. If C is your " Faction Specialist ". The new detatchment is a nightmare to run, but it has SO MUCH room for skill expression. I've been loving it, immensely. My only critique other than that, astounding work
Listening to your commentary on the Nurgle detatchment kinda hurt. The enhancement to remove a model specifically says that 'the controling player chooses'. This enhancement is an exact copy of one from the 1st Company Task Force in Space Marines.
@@Happykrumpingwargaming007 It's more it hurts for other people not realizing it. I was super excited when I saw the niche rule in the Space Marine codex, thinking that it made a mediocre at best detachment into something deadly, but instead it just makes it a fun rule. So more a memory of disapointment then anything else :).
First! Nice list! I thought (I know it’s a a lot of work) but too get Ponder (Nøding) at a tier list, to and have the hard math there too. Just a thought😊 Love the sassy “yeah, we’ll synergies exists in the game” ❤ get git. Get tactical 🧂 The Exocrine 😂 comments too, someone is having flash backs. Still no Hive Tyrant ;p
Btw, I think maybe Kjetil might have miscalculated the double gatling Despoiler's damage into a land raider by quite a bit... Even with sustained 1 & lethals. The expected damage is just north of 12 in this case, not 36. That is assuming it does not have cover etc. I've seen multiple people on stream thinking that it's the Titanic Knights that get the Dread Master's aura bonus, but it's really the Damned within 9" that do so, so they don't get any damage buff from the re-rolls there. Loving the detachment from a lore perspective, but unless the CK codex grants some pretty hefty bonuses to the titanic CK Knights down the line, it will remain a bit of a meme I think. A shame, as it's a damned cool one I think and one I will collect just for fun regardless. :-) Maybe one day the Abominant will be usable as well.
Hey man, awesome video! I found myself agreeing with 95% of the stuff you were saying, but i hard disagree with your view on the eldar detachment. Like your cohost was saying, the detachment just didn't give eldar vehicles anything they really need. The detachment rule is superfluous since our vehicles are so fast anyway. The enhancements aren't good either. The cp regen one is on a 3+ for 30 points, when you can just bring a wayleaper and get the cp guaranteed. The lone op vehicle repair one is cool in theory, but our vehicles are made of paper machete they'll rarely live long enough to even be repaired. The pick up 3 units and redeploy or put in reserves can be done by Yriel. And then for strategems, the only one that is even halfway decent is the deep strike one, which was clearly written with the intention of 3" DS being in the game, but that was removed so it's kinda worthless. The only unit you'd really want to drop off thar close would be fire dragons, but they're not even in melta range. And deepstriking in a fire prism sounds good on paper, but even with the 6" deep strike, any player worth his salt can screen it out since it has such a big foot print. The only argument you seem to make is that the index detachment is so strong, and i don't disagree with that. But even without comparing it to the index detachment, this new detachment is just bad. What eldar are missing is more reliable damage output, particularly against vehicles/monsters, and this detachment just doesn't help with that at all. Now, if the codex gives us old school battlefocus allowing vehicles to shoot and then move after, then i could see this detachment being okay, but even then, it's pretty lackluster and boring.
for competitive play it essentially has no reason to ever take it. this does not mean good players cant do good things. as far as "potential" goes, it has very little. Congratulations on your success
Remember bt has no cp regen and are over costed in general. If you tweak bt. 1cp to switch litany changes to you get a litany in addition. 1cp for 5up to mortals change to 5up fnp. Use new armor of contempt which sucks. And now suddenly they're playable and different, whats wrong with that? The sauce is limited to over costed infantry and just mounted anyway right.
@Happykrumpingwargaming007 it hasn't even been announced yet has it? Dangerously close to the end of 10th and it's doa anyway for all intents and purposes. Hopefully its sooner than later.
Maybe they will talk about this. But is this Grotsflation? Like they’re all good. And it seems like advance and charge and +hits is everywhere. Is this just something that isn’t special any more
I actually don't think the AoC nerf was that bad, as people have to factor in that half the time this is something that will even out due to the opponent is also dealing with the same with their AoC. I suspect it will be good for the game state overall. :-)
Great video mate - Times are not that great though!
00:05:05 - GSC (A)
00:11:32 - Custodes (B)
00:15:03 - Chaos Knights (B)
00:17:49 - Ad Mech (A)
00:21:36 - Tsons (D)
00:23:08 - Dark Angels (A)
00:27:08 - Sisters (C)
00:28:43 - CSM (A )
00:33:09 - Space Marines (B)
00:26:48 - Chaos Daemons (A)
00:43:01 - Grey Knights (B)
00:45:19 - Imperial Guard (S)
00:48:57 - Orks (A)
00:51:54 - Eldar (D)
00:55:20 - Imperial Knights (C)
00:57:44 - Drukhari (B)
01:01:27 - Deathwatch (B)
01:04:12 - Necrons (S)
01:10:25 - Black Templars (D)
01:11:49 - Imperial Agents (D)
01:12:43 - Tau (B)
01:17:03 - Death Guard (B)
01:18:40 - Nids (B)
01:20:40 - Votann (D)
01:22:27 - Blood Angels (B)
01:25:35 - Space Wolves (B)
01:31:17 - World Eaters (B)
Bless you
Thank you I was looking for the Deathwatch section and was getting frustrated.
Chad maneuver 👍
Love the positivity on your channel compared to many current 40K outlets
cheers buddy! I find it super important for us to remember we play this game because we enjoy it!
You’re right about the power of Bridgehead Strike. If the gameplan comes off it is devastating.
Tau player here, that detachment for us is cracked and is easily high A tier, the amount of shenanigans and board control we’re going to be able to have is stupid. This is very RTT much a control detachment and aims at denying scoring to the max and then scoring to the max ourselves
@Happykrumpingwargaming007 Thanks for great video. May I ask you for the list of Black Templars you mentioned at 1:02:00 with name "bloody rose road" I am running 10 men Terminators with FNP whole year and I would love to learn from your list.
Bloody Road is my BA list. I have several videos dedicated to how it works if you scroll a bit!
The new World Eaters detachment is very strong. The only thing is you miss the sticky on death against shooting armies. Its a pretty big hit, but giving 3 units run and charge demand is big game.
For gsc I made a list that had every unit able to start in no mans landing, except one unit of acolytes to generate command points.
i love it
The necron detachment is something else . It feels like one of those rule sets you suppose to get after years of having bad rules. It is just that necron didn't have bad rules lol. I wish the changes to dreadnoughts were data sheet ones and not detachment based. Aside the whole FW thing, the detachment means dreadnoughts stay very bad in every other detachment, and there is zero chance GW will change it in the future , because the dread detachment exists. Which again means owning one dread is not an option, you need to have 5-7 , on top of calladius etc.
bro, i super appreciate your support and love chatting with you in these comment sections, but honestly. i think you need to take a break and just play for fun or trade your army for a new one. You are so negative at all times i worry your love of the game is going to completely fizzle out.
@@Happykrumpingwargaming007no he has a point. Also, trading armies is super expensive and just bad advice as many people get into factions due to rule of cool or cool lore. Of course being a negative Nancy at all times isn't good, and playing with friends fluffy detachments is always fun.
Take Tyranid warriors for example. They should have a 5+ invuln but because this warrior detachment exist, they'll never receive it. Outside of this detachment, I don't think I'll ever run ranged warriors which is a shame because I think they're cool for lore reasons on how versatile they are. So what OP says is valid, there's no in-between of having 1 or having 5 and not everyone has infinite disposable income.
Recently won a game with angelic inheritors vs astra militarum, my impression with my current list which is a very borja esque list i'd say that the fall back shoot and charge I used once but it stopped an action being completed, the enhancement that stops overwatch on a cap leading a 6 man sanguinary guard is very difficult to deal with for you opponent and the rerolls were very very significant though it hurts that you don't get the 2str and 1 attack in my opinion if gw wants to make all other detachments viable they just must do away with the 2str and 1 attack and add it as an army rule for blood angels since now oath is quite premium to ultramarines and the other unappriciated legions. I used only one of the strats, felt nice to not be battleshocked for once to get lance and lethals, the rest though I tried to use them just felt better off chucking a granade, overwatch with a baal or tankshock.
TL; DR Angelic Inheritors good, though slightly weaker than Liberator but viable
What do you think would replace LAG’s detachment rule? Because I’m on the fence about giving up oath due to fishing for 6s against tougher targets.
Yeah man this is my thoughts exactly, i want oath gone for the divergent legions
@@TheRedVyper er my idea is not great, but how about once per battle for a round get army-wide devastating wounds, for units that are in melee or something along those lines
@@pound9981 I think a +2 to movement would be better. Devastating wounds once per battle isn’t enough as we saw with Astorath. Even now when he has it on charge, he isn’t really used
2x tankbustas with mek with shokk attack gun... 4+, rr1s... mayhem
With these, during a single turn of shooting...
I killed 3 adeptus custodes bikes, 1 custo dread hero in the new detachment, 4 wardens.
The look on opponents face...
I feel you will need to move GSC down to B or C. If C is your " Faction Specialist ". The new detatchment is a nightmare to run, but it has SO MUCH room for skill expression. I've been loving it, immensely. My only critique other than that, astounding work
cheers bud! I accept that criticism!
Listening to your commentary on the Nurgle detatchment kinda hurt. The enhancement to remove a model specifically says that 'the controling player chooses'. This enhancement is an exact copy of one from the 1st Company Task Force in Space Marines.
i do not understand why this hurts
@@Happykrumpingwargaming007 It's more it hurts for other people not realizing it. I was super excited when I saw the niche rule in the Space Marine codex, thinking that it made a mediocre at best detachment into something deadly, but instead it just makes it a fun rule. So more a memory of disapointment then anything else :).
Do you think that divergent chapters will end up like the monogod legions and csm?
i think they should. separate them completely is my thought
First!
Nice list!
I thought (I know it’s a a lot of work) but too get Ponder (Nøding) at a tier list, to and have the hard math there too. Just a thought😊
Love the sassy “yeah, we’ll synergies exists in the game” ❤ get git. Get tactical 🧂
The Exocrine 😂 comments too, someone is having flash backs. Still no Hive Tyrant ;p
The volume is very low, with both my phone and my earphones on max I can bsrely hear you, will need to come back later at hime
hmmm i had all the settings at 100% sorry about that man!
Unfortunately I gotta second this.
@@Happykrumpingwargaming007 volume is totally fine for me, just to make things more confusing. Listening on mobile without headphones.
Sounds fine for me too. Headphones bluetooth PC.
No issue here
Your view on votan is how I feel about flyblown. The detachment doesn’t interact with the contagion.
interesting take! It seems to me they do, melee always loves making the opponent -1T. Why do you feel it does not interact?
@ it feels like the index did at the start of 10th, like it’s lacking something. I can’t put my finger on what tho
39:44 Fiends..?
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@Happykrumpingwargaming007 Can you link the damage output video that Ponder(?) did on this channel, please?
ruclips.net/video/T7DnM2XnELU/видео.html here you go!
Btw, I think maybe Kjetil might have miscalculated the double gatling Despoiler's damage into a land raider by quite a bit... Even with sustained 1 & lethals. The expected damage is just north of 12 in this case, not 36. That is assuming it does not have cover etc. I've seen multiple people on stream thinking that it's the Titanic Knights that get the Dread Master's aura bonus, but it's really the Damned within 9" that do so, so they don't get any damage buff from the re-rolls there.
Loving the detachment from a lore perspective, but unless the CK codex grants some pretty hefty bonuses to the titanic CK Knights down the line, it will remain a bit of a meme I think. A shame, as it's a damned cool one I think and one I will collect just for fun regardless. :-) Maybe one day the Abominant will be usable as well.
yeah i am not sure what his calculations were on that either!
@@Happykrumpingwargaming007 13 into land raider, 21 into gladiator chassis. Just glanced too quickly at my notes!
Hey man, awesome video! I found myself agreeing with 95% of the stuff you were saying, but i hard disagree with your view on the eldar detachment. Like your cohost was saying, the detachment just didn't give eldar vehicles anything they really need.
The detachment rule is superfluous since our vehicles are so fast anyway. The enhancements aren't good either. The cp regen one is on a 3+ for 30 points, when you can just bring a wayleaper and get the cp guaranteed. The lone op vehicle repair one is cool in theory, but our vehicles are made of paper machete they'll rarely live long enough to even be repaired. The pick up 3 units and redeploy or put in reserves can be done by Yriel.
And then for strategems, the only one that is even halfway decent is the deep strike one, which was clearly written with the intention of 3" DS being in the game, but that was removed so it's kinda worthless. The only unit you'd really want to drop off thar close would be fire dragons, but they're not even in melta range. And deepstriking in a fire prism sounds good on paper, but even with the 6" deep strike, any player worth his salt can screen it out since it has such a big foot print.
The only argument you seem to make is that the index detachment is so strong, and i don't disagree with that. But even without comparing it to the index detachment, this new detachment is just bad. What eldar are missing is more reliable damage output, particularly against vehicles/monsters, and this detachment just doesn't help with that at all. Now, if the codex gives us old school battlefocus allowing vehicles to shoot and then move after, then i could see this detachment being okay, but even then, it's pretty lackluster and boring.
he flipped me in the end!
@Happykrumpingwargaming007 I saw after I had typed it all out 🤣 I just left the comment up got the algorithm god
you rock!
Time stamps please!
they are up!
The real winner of Grotmas? Ultramarines. Mark my words.
id say 40k as a whole! While i think the balance dataslate was straight up bad. The grotmas experiment was amazing
With this librarius? Stop drinking bro :) this detachment is made only to improve GW selling statistics
@@marwie2598 he most likely meant ultramarines... so likely gladius + buff for vanilla sm + um characters
I'm 3-0 with Wrathdul Procession. Beat Tau, Agents, and World Eaters. Idk if it's that bad. Not sure it's amazing, but not trash.
for competitive play it essentially has no reason to ever take it. this does not mean good players cant do good things. as far as "potential" goes, it has very little. Congratulations on your success
Remember bt has no cp regen and are over costed in general. If you tweak bt. 1cp to switch litany changes to you get a litany in addition. 1cp for 5up to mortals change to 5up fnp. Use new armor of contempt which sucks. And now suddenly they're playable and different, whats wrong with that? The sauce is limited to over costed infantry and just mounted anyway right.
yeah man, that detachment was actually a swing and i miss imo, but like we said, perhaps in the context of their codex its actually not
@Happykrumpingwargaming007 it hasn't even been announced yet has it? Dangerously close to the end of 10th and it's doa anyway for all intents and purposes. Hopefully its sooner than later.
Maybe they will talk about this. But is this Grotsflation?
Like they’re all good. And it seems like advance and charge and +hits is everywhere. Is this just something that isn’t special any more
it never has been. that stuff is all over the codex's and index's
I actually don't think the AoC nerf was that bad, as people have to factor in that half the time this is something that will even out due to the opponent is also dealing with the same with their AoC. I suspect it will be good for the game state overall. :-)
we have differing opinions on this one! That is totally okay :)
@@Happykrumpingwargaming007 It is indeed. :-) Good video though.