Having owned all 3 bikes I was interested to see your comparison. The comment about the heat from the Triumph Tiger's engine was baffling considering the vastly worse experience I had on a KTM 1290 Super Adventure T. I only once noticed the heat on my Tiger when stuck in heavy traffic in 25 degree Celcius heat. But I had to purchase "heat deflector panels" for the KTM which made only a very slight difference. The KTM is definitely by far the most powerful engine but it did not like cold weather starts. (Check out any of the KTM owner websites and it is a frequent topic as well as suspension issues). Regarding the GS, I never liked the BMW boxer engine - I tried a GS LC and a GSA but found they vibrated and at motorway speeds the engine sounded like it was really struggling or going to explode. So for the vast majority of people who ride adventure bikes to commute in the city, weekend rideouts and on the occasional green lane/gravel path, the Tiger is by far the best choice. It is much smoother in the city than the big v-twin KTM, much better on motorways than the BMW and of course well equipped tecnologically, shaft-driven and better suspension than its rivals. Just my honest opinion.
I tested all 3 and multistrada. I bought the tiger 1200, I do no real offroad, while it can be extremely comfortable, in sportsmode it’s the one who feels most like a supernaked. Fine, sharp, very good road feeling in corners, very linear trottle. I found the gs and superadv numb in corners compared to the tiger,o uras quick, but less talkative. Actually my runner up was the s1000xr from a on road a & b road feeling. If you like the 1290 engine buy a superduke r or gt, much nicer drive, much more capable to make the best of this engine, on the road at least. Tiger engine heat is true, feels like riding a radiator, with jeans uncomfortably hot.
Ridden them all plus the multistrada 1200 ,triumph tiger is the best by far for long distance touring 2 up with full panniers and for day rides, it's not the best off rd , I have bought 2 triumph tiger and I do 20,000 mile a year all over Europe ,its bulletproof
Personally, the tiger 1200 is too heavy and also feels very heavy at low speeds. The multistrada is fantastic but uses way to much ⛽️ (1ltr on 15 km). The gs is still the best allrounder.
Can’t wait for the 2020 models... Triumph will have a built-in cappuccino maker KTM will have turbo-boost and oil-slick And BMW will come with a personal butler
The thing I like best about the KTM is that it’s the only one truly designed up from a real off rd bike, while for power they just used their biggest knarliest sport bike engine. All while managing to be considerably lighter then most of their competition.
Well filmed and well edited review - it is a pleasure to watch. I have owned the BMW R 1200 GS for two years and test riden the new 1250 GS for two days. I have had my KTM 1290 Super Adventure S now for just over a year and put over 20,000 km on it. For me it is the sportier bike of the two - definitly a lot more punch in the engine department even compared to the new 1250 GS. The suspension of the BMW is great but it is optimized for touring and therefore A LOT softer than even in its hardest (dynamic) setting than the KTM 1290 SAS. I also do not get the "wobbly" suspension comment on the KTM - it is much more planted on the road than the BMW and flies around corners for a bike of this size and weight. Just my 2 cents - keep up the good quality content ;-)
I have put a lot of miles on two different KTM Super Adventure bikes and never felt any wobble in the suspension. I owned a 2015 T and now a 2018 S. Very smooth and planted at 140mph, both bikes! You probably can't go wrong with any of these bikes, BMW, KTM or the Triumph ride all three and decide for yourself!
Hey Guys. Having ridden thousands of miles on the GS and now the Tiger 1200 XCA, I can tell you (in case anyone is wondering) that while the BMW is of course a more refined, OLDER design, the new Tiger wins hands down via the engine and handling. It's sportier than the GS, and you dont end up hitting the rev governor at 8k all the time like the GS when riding at altitude. The front-end ride of the GS is phenomenal however, as it literally soaks up anything (better than the Tiger). Like most things, depends on your priorities.
I’ve just ridden my 1290SA (original version, 30L tank, spoke wheels) from Germany to St Petersburg and Moscow, it’s sensational. I don’t understand what he says about the suspension being a bit wobbly...the roads in Lithuania and rural Russia are really, really bad but the suspension has been fantastic. Maybe he didn’t adjust it? The KTM fuelling is sensational...it plods around at idle, and is super smooth, and as everyone knows it pulls like a jet. It’s absolutely nothing to overtake 3-4 semi trailer trucks in a row, it takes a few seconds. As for the brakes, I’ve not noticed any weaknesses but I use the massive torquey engine and slipper clutch to take off speed, not only brakes. I’ve owned 3 Gs, and I like the telever and paralever, but the semi active KTM suspension is very good. I spent a lot of time cruising at 160 km/h, with cruise control on, and it’s an absolute beast. I only use it in sport mode, full power, quick action throttle, it’s supremely rideable even in heavy rain. I run K60 Scouts, which match the bike well, but you need to be a little careful in the rain (perhaps I should use rain mode?). I love the Gs...love the boxer, but I’m very happy with my 1290SA, and with a few mods, and Trax Adventure cases, Ortlieb bag, LED DRLs, etc, it gets a lot of favourable comments.
dafebeme2 ...good question, I’d have to take a guess that it’s around 400 km if I consumed reserve, but I haven’t kept track. I usually start the day on a full tank and refill when the reserve light comes on (when I still have around 5.7 litres). I don’t use my trip meter, it still shows the same as the odometer because I never reset it. I carry a 1 Litre MSR bottle and as I said reserve is typically 5.7 litres, so I’ve always been able to refill in time.
I'm interested to hear which roads in Lithuania were bad, I seem to remember loving the smooth roads in Lithuania compared to some of Latvia's old under serviced highways. That being said I would love to make that trip. I lived in the Baltic states for two years.
I have ridden all 3 and finally I own a Tiger 1200XCA. I am loving it than the other two in many ways. Suspension is so smooth and riding on highways are stable and comfortable. Its a GLOBE TOTTER. Beautiful exhaust note from the triple. smooth gear shift, easy handling even though its huge, wont feel like on the fly. A small correction on the mode change - You don't have to stop the vehicle - Just cut the throttle to change the mode. BMW changing gear is so annoying. Feels like HD. Other than that yes the bike is fully loaded with lots of tech. KTM is powerful and aggressive. When it come to the using the modes and the display, using the switches - its a bit confusing.
...I forgot to add that I’ve not oiled or cleaned my chain in the last 7000 km on this trip, so don’t be put off by KTM not having a drive shaft. I use a pro Oiler micro pump with GPS sender, so an (adjustable at handlebar) dose of oil is delivered to the chain/sprocket according to the distance travelled. These setups regularly achieve 100,000 km chain life with zero cleaning required.
Ronan Rogers I own an original KTM 1290 SA (the white giant with 30l fuel tank myself) and I've been happy with it so far. However I have to agree, that the breaks are kind of weak for this bike. Wish it would be more powerful. KTM claims that the breaks were designed like this, in order to deliver more linear breaking power. However it just feels to weak to me. Especially when riding with pillion rider and fully loaded. Great adventure and long distance bike though.
rationalityfirst ...depends on if you like cleaning and lubricating your chain. I’m still on my trip, and in 7800 km I haven’t cleaned it, lubricated it, or adjusted it (but of course I’ve checked the adjustment). Peace of mind, and it’s paid for by the extra long life of the chain and sprockets.
I just can't see the problem with chain...guess its just old people with a back problem who cant oil a chain...always the same naging about it...my chains has lived 20-25000km...
@@t-rex4211 😂😂 The Tiger is fantastic. Comfortable, smooth, responsive, getting right at 50mpg. Just finished a 14-day trip around the Great Lakes and no hiccups with the exception of a lacerated front tire after slowly rolling through a construction zone. Saw several gaggles of bmrs in Ontario and a couple of KTMs and, or course, the assorted HDs and Gold wings. I was the only Big Cat.
@@williammahaffy4642 Nice one. Too late on your reply though. I’ve had my tiger a week. Loving it. Damn thing needs a reverse though. You’ve gotta really think about where you park or not be afraid to ask a stranger for a push😉 I’m in U.K. and hoping to do a tour of Europe soon. Lovely and stable and comfy. Not ridden in 3 years so the test drive was a bit daunting
I was not able to decide between BMW and KTM but when I have found out KTM does not have a decent diagnostic tool on the market and BMW has a perfect scanner I went with the BMW because I plan on keeping it way after the warranty is expired so I can maintain it on my own without pricey dealer fees.
I would like to add that the servicing costs are more expensive on the KTM than on the BMW, a friend of mine serviced his 1290 (Adventure S) at a cost of approx R17 000, about $1400 US. This service included replacement parts for repairs being made. He uses it for commuting and longer trips during the holidays. I believe. At the end of the day, I believe both BMW and KTM mak similar profits from these premium bikes
Great review! I purchased my first GS 8 months ago and it really is an amazing all around do everything bike. What surprised me the most is how well it handles in the twisties, nearly as nimble as my Tuono, I kid you not!
Chris Malloy you’re entitled to your opinion even if ill informed. I ride both bikes several times/week and completely disagree with you. Thanks for the comment though!
I have a Harley but now watching you guys define these machines makes me want to up grade to one of these machines. I thank you for giving an honest review.. Regards..Ride hard and safe
Same…. I’ve got a 2014 Fatboy Lo ghat I just put a 124 S&S into. I thought the hp/tq increase would make me love the bike again but now I question it’s reliability…. and it runs 30 degrees hotter now. The hp/tq numbers on the BMW are nice right out of the box and the brakes and tech look amazing compared to my HD. I might have to trade my beanie in for a full-face. Lol
Looking for a bigger Pan European touring bike, I tested also the vibrating 20.000 Euro-BMW GS with it´s impertient cheap and uncomfortable seat, the rummbling and permanent demanding KTM and some others...at the end I bought a Triumph Tiger 1200 XRT because of it`s incredible linear powerfull and torquey engine, the phantastic ergonimics, the functionality and it´s great building quality. Maybe not the most first-view-exciting bike in this trio but sure the one with the best long term value for the driver. I am sure, a lot of those bearded, round bodied GS-Drivers would have chosen it, if they had tried it only once... But you can also drive it sporty if you are slim and shaved ;-)
Good review very nice video! I Think that of the BMW ha the most appreciate bike all over the review in all countries and journalist the reason is its "balancing" it has the right power not too much not low ...right handling right feeling ...right confort right emotion ...it is a all round bike to go in office and to dream the Dakar...sometimes other bikes miss this facinous ...and the big double boxer helps this unique facinating taste! I Think....but I ride a GS!!!!
I really like your videos guys. The production quality is excellent, the information is insightful, and your English is better than mine...and I'm English! Thank you.
I chose the KTM over the GS because of the price mostly. I could only get the GS pricing I wanted by looking for a used bike. The KTM dealer offered a $2700 discount off MSRP so I said yes
As a 2014 R1200GS owner looking for an upgrade the choice is still kinda obvious for me unfortunately. My personal perception is that KTM has excessive power for my everyday riding needs plus I don't want to go back to chain drive yet I really like the 220/220mm of travel. The 890mm seat heght is a concern on such a heavy machine for me as well. Looks are kinda meh, but I could get over it easily. Triumph has amazing engine, it's not as aggressive as KTM, has great torque and lovely voice, I love the looks but the bike is still heavier than GS by quite a bit. They say it's lighter now but a dry XR weights 242kg which is equal to a wet R1200GS, such a shame. I had a fair share of Triumphs in my days yet this particular Tiger leaves me kinda puzzled looking at the specs sheet. Maybe it's better when you try it out in person but I can't really afford spending so much money to be a test pilot. I'm in no way a BMW fan, but right now all I'd like to try out is R1200GS Adventure. 263kg wet is extremely nice considering you get 10 more kilos of gasoline, additional engine protection and rear rack you'd still install on your usual GS, so the real weight difference is actually somewhere around 7-8 kg. Travel is almost as good as KTM with 210/220mm. Seat is 890mm but you can easily go way lower with a few minor tweaks. Not a big fan of engine / gearbox combo but everything else is extremely nice and is proven to be working properly.
They are all fantastic bikes, pick your colour and away you go, if I had to pick one it would be the GS not only for the bike but also the dealership, bmw in my experience are great when things go wrong.
I always dreamed to buy a GS When I had the money I tried besides several GS (new, older, adventure etc) the ktm 1290s... and everything changed. The 1290 is by far better. Great for long trips, just pure fun if you like to accelerate... GS has bigger marketing, that’s why some reviews highlight the GS. If you have tried both you know the answer by your self.... : )
I bought myself a 2018 GSA. Coming from Super Sports bikes, this world of bikes is so different (in a good way). I never test rode KTM, Triumph or Ducati as the first time I rode a GS, it just felt right. I'm sure all of these bikes are pretty solid. Hope I made the right decision though :D
The GS is a great bike. I bought the KTM because it is more street focused and it's fast! I'm sure all of these bikes will put a smile on the owner's face!
I'm the odd man out I love my 2015 tiger explore It's more of a raw experience then any of the newer bikes just because it is all manual suspension and controls the only thing electronic is a switchable ABS traction control and cruise control. When I take my stuff off road I don't wanna break 5 different little electric motors when it goes down I'd rather just replace a plastic knob
Test rode a tiger. Went with a Gs but I’ll admit I was very impressed with the tiger. I really loved that bike! It was super comfortable and I loved the engine.
All 3 bikes are fantastic bikes, no doubt. But coming from experience here, unless you are a serious off road rider, there is such a thing as too much power. I know people will agree with me and people will disagree with me on that. But these bikes have different modes for a reason. Rain mode, things like that. Back in the late 70s when I was a young teen, I rode with a bunch of guys here and there. I rode a Husqvarna 250cc two stroke dirt bike. I didn’t ride it long. But there were guys in my group who wouldn’t even sit on that thing, much less ride it. They saw me take it up some old mountain roads, gravel roads, and go uphill doing about 30-40 mph and with a slight crack of the throttle, that thing came out from under me so fast all I saw was it bouncing on up the road on the back tire as I ate gravel for 20 feet, sliding up hill. Thank God I had on full gear. But that bike was just too much for me. Others could handle it like it was a mini bike, but I was never that good. So yes, it was WAY too much power for me. Not everyone needs, or wants, that kind of power. If you do, well there is a bike on this list for you. But just because the other bikes cannot do what the KTM can do, does not mean they are inferior. As most of the riders choose the BMW anyway as their best choice, and it has the least power. So pick the one you like and ride it like you stole it. I’d ride either one of them, but for me to shell out money on one, I’d pick the BMW every time, every day, hands down, no questions asked. I wouldn’t even consider the other two, great as they are. I’ve ridden the BMW and with 46 years of riding experience, I know what I like. And if you chose a different one, I’ll be as happy for you as a buzzard on a gut truck.
1290 Super Adventure has a safety flaw in its design, the motorcycle has a major safety problem. I bought mine six month ago and since day one I have been experiencing head wobble at speed ranging from 100 to 120 mph. I contacted the dealer and they said “there is a software upgrade regarding the head wobble” I took the motorcycle to the dealer, after the software upgrade I discovered that the four setting for the damping is not working any more there is not difference in the performance between sports, street, comfort or off-road.
Honestly, and simply, if you don't like the brake bite of a particular bike, change the brake pads, it's that simple. How a "Sport Rider" can pick a BMW over a KTM is amazing to me. Did BMW pay you guys for this review, you couldn't find one single fault with a motorcycle that had 35hp less than it's competitor? Here's a fault for you, in this company, the BMW is simply underpowered!
KTM a bit wobbly in turns??? Did you check the suspension mode??? Not confident in turns? Not a KTM problem my friend.... More braking power on the KTM??? give me a break !!!
hahahahaha this guy is a totally dumbass. KTM suspension is great and brakes are progressive and powerfull... BMW brakes are dangerous and ultra sensitive, i would not recomend them. And all this by experience, i tryed both bikes and KTM is superior in everything than BMW.
Trouble with braking power? Fix with a set of HH pads. Surprised they didn't throw in a Ducati Multistrada 1260S (or Enduro for the larger wheels) in this group.
I demod one of these and watching this vid again to decide what to buy. There is definitely a lack of initial bite. You need to pull the brake harder. The GT on the other hand will offer a lot more confidence. He doesnt say the brakes are bad, they just dont offer initial bite. A number of people put in different pads to solve this. Not a big deal but no 'bullshit' like claimed by others here.
BMW for the most bland, vanilla twin-cylinder engine note in the world (along with all 360° firing interval twins). Triples are very cool, but the Tiger 1215cc triple is more tractor than sportbike. KTM just holds all the character and beastly cards with the 1301 vtwin, no matter what bike that engine is put into.
I had an opportunity to ride the KTM for a day this past Saturday, I rode primarily in the sport mode. Very nice in every aspect, roomy, controllable smooth power, one finger braking and loved the clutchless shifting, both up and down. The suspension was every bit as nice as the Multistrada I currently ride. My only concerns were the noticeably hot seat and the “crank the knob” method of moving up or down the wind screen. It’s nice, but not nice enough to get me off my Ducati.
So we sit through a 25 minute long review/shoot out of the best adventure touring bikes, to find out the one which WHEELIES best WINS. He previously described the Triumph as an Old Man's bike ( because he couldn't get the wheel UP?!!) It strikes me one reviewer is looking for a Goldwing, the other for a Tuono, neither is even slightly bothered about carrying a pillion, carrying more luggage than the average plane ticket allows a globetrotting couple, or tearing up the sand dunes in the Sahara quicker than a Camel can get the hump!! Perhaps someone more mature would make for a better review?! Either that or the likes of itchy boots, someone with more 🎱⚾ for adventure!!
I agree, it seems that he should review sports bikes instead if his main focus is going to be on acceleration and speed. In the end of this long video, I just came out feeling that the reviewer was biased at worst, and at best is out of his category by reviewing adventure bikes for what sets them apart from say sports bikes. In any case, it's up to the individual to decide for themselves. In my opinion, I felt as though there was alot of mental masturbation going on without the satisfaction towards the end, as one might expect.
right?! I like the KTM 1290 aesthetically but have had a few persons mention the bmw is the better ride/weight/and overall bike between that and the 1290
Um, you didn’t really clarify whether the KTM needs better brakes OR if it simply needs more brake pressure applied to the levers. This is often easily remedied by replacing the pads. For example, ceramic brakes usually need more brake pressure applied BUT are considered better because they continue to work without fading even after extremes and continuous use such as a steep and aggressive descent down a mountain. Just because the brakes require more force doesn’t mean they are worse. Otherwise, you guys did a good job running through all the pros and cons. I own a 2011 Tiger 800XC and yes, it does heat up a bit too much. I imagine this is true for the current models because the engine is virtually unchanged. Based on your review, I think I would go with the BMW. I might be upgrading at some point because I want a good 2 up adventure tourer for my camping trips with the wife. The 800XC works well for solo riding with gear but is a bit under sprung and under powered for 2 up camping trips with gear. I can do it, I just can’t push the bike very hard with my wife on the back. And all that gear and I bottom out during corners because the suspension is too soft even in the stiffest preload setting. I love your videos and the beautiful scenery (reminds me of Lithuania). Keep it up and bravo!
I found that the brakes on my 1290S weren’t as good as my Rallye initially, but have since learnt to brake with front and rear if I want to scrub speed off quickly, and now would say the brakes are as good as the GS.
...yes, I agree. I don’t mind the look of my original 1290SA (which I still don’t think will win any beauty pageants), but the revised version with the praying mantis headlight just doesn’t do it for me.
You have to push the Triumph a little more, to keep up with the others?! A bike that has more HP than the BMW?! And less One kg?! Are you jocking?! Come on behalf serious!!!
I can only agree with your conclusion since, after owning both, came to the same conclusion. The BMW is indeed for older professionals as the stigma goes, and that is by no means a bad thing. I count myself in that bracket and would not choose to be anything else. You even get that same perception from motorists and fellow motorcyclists while commuting on the big GS, and that too is a very good thing. The KTM does however give the impression to observers of being ridden by a free spirited 27 year old with ADHD. Again, not a bad thing and if you like 30 something girls smiling at you looking for a break from their husbands (and who doesn't), the KTM is the way to go.
I have a KTM 1290 SAR and I'm 55. As far as girls smiling at me it doesn't happen to me although my wife riding on the back may have something to do with that.
daniel thompson Maybe there is a reason for it. I am certainly not dogging the other two as they have their place, no doubt. But I’ve ridden the newer model GS bikes and they are fantastic. I currently own a new Harley but my next bike will be a GSA. I don’t need a bike that can sink my eyes in the back of my head during acceleration, so I don’t need the KTM. It’s a fine bike for sure. I rode a Triumph once for about 5 miles and it did not suit me. Not a bad bike either, just not my taste. But I am 5’11” and even on the tall BMW, I had no real problem with the height of it. Well, I did get a tad bit of a sphincter twist the very first time I came to a red light and my foot didn’t hit the ground where I thought it should, LOL. But I was used to it by the third stop. But the way it handled, I thought I was on a 200 pound little bike. The engineering in that bike is beyond words. But I have an 850 pound Harley that I can whip around like a smaller bike too. I’ve been riding for 46 years. So yes, I own a HD FatBoy S with mods and tuner, and I covet a BMW GSA. I guess I fit the profile perfectly!. Someone else said this, these 3 bikes are dang near perfect so pick one you prefer and you’ll be happy. The problem I see, is people always want validation in the bike they chose to spend their money on. That’s human nature. Since they spent money on it, they feel everyone should agree with them that they made the best choice. This goes for cars, bikes, guns, houses, whatever. Just forget what everyone says and buy what you like and you’ll be happier. It’s the same with Harleys, Indians and Victory bikes too.
Great review, although I'm not sure if it's fair to pitch the KTM 1290 'S' for the road review, and the 'R' for off-road, as the GS and Triumph are essentially competing against two different models which have been configured for each specific task?
Test fleet bikes seldom are broken in correctly, especially the brakes. I can tell you first hand that my KTM Adventure has fantastic brakes that were bedded correctly.
Great review guys. I brought a 2017 GSA after test riding the KTM 1290 Adventure R, the Triumph 1200 and the Honda Africa Twin. The right bike for me in the end. The KTM was good but got very hot under the seat on tge test ride. I also didn't like the fiddly controls but the engine oh boy! The Africa Twin was nice but the older 2017 throtle was to jerky and the frobt end has a bad dive under braking. The Triumph......nah.
as always, a very thorough review I really enjoy the back-and-forth conversation you always have because you don't just tell us what you think but you discuss it, and that means something to those of us who watch. We really enjoy your channel even here on the West Coast of Florida in the United States and can't wait for your next video thanks my current bike is a 2018 GS adventure, Rallye edition... And I love it but to enjoy all aspects of motorcycling you would have to own at least five different bikes you guys will help me decide which one is next
Umm..so cornering abs, shaft drive and creature comforts like keyless go, handle lock and electronically adjustable windscreen does not elevate the Tiger as a more superior adventure touring bike ? The KTM has foregone some of these and other features for few more ponies, which if you ask me, gives it an identity crisis. Can't comment on the BMW as I have never ridden it...
Your videos are always good. There's real reviewing in them, the cinematography is fantastic and the overall package delivers. However, you guys never introduce yourselves! Why not give a quick introduction like "Hi I'm ___ and this is ___ and today we're reviewing the 2018 big adventure bikes". Small thing but makes it more personal and relatable IMO.
I'm looking at the triumph xrt and the adventure s. Which is better for sporty riding. I like a more flickable bike through corners. I am heavy so don't mind the weight difference regardless. I am mainly focusing on reliability. I want to do some long 1000+ road trips. I don't feel like the ktm has a massive hp difference,but I haven't ridden either. I have owned a fz1, vfr800, and cruiser bike.
I chose KTM because the price different is so far in Indonesia, due to silly luxury tax. Triumph and BMW cost about US$75k while the KTM costs about US$45k. I got the 1290 R anyway...
Gandhi Vyatranto That is rediculous!!! I can get a fully loaded GSA for less than 26,000 US dollars her in the USA. I almost bought a 2017 GSA with everything but the panniers in Boston last year for 22,000 US dollars. And that included taxes. But I had just bought a new Harley for 20,000 US dollars 8 months before and didn’t want the payments. I certainly hope some things change for you over there. That is just insane.
+1You had indeed pushed the ktm and you find lack of solid behaviour under cornering and poor braking.The same with me that I tested both on track and road.I would finally choose between the touring capabilities of bmw and sportiness touring of multistrada.Keep on the good work!
I like very much your Italian Accent. Your analysis is valuable. I bought a Tiger Alpine Edition and that's a pure dream after my Guzzi Norge. Amazing in terms of comfort, agility, power. The best compromise for a touring use, to ride with my lover, and a very competitive prize with all equipments included. The BMW becomes so common, we see them everywhere. And the price is definitely out of range, too expensive ! With my Triumph it's more classy, distinguished, and people notice it. I don't like at all the sportive style and the shape of the KTM ptransformers design which is nevertheless a very good motorbike. With a fabulous engine, I share the opinion, vs the Triumph which is not so pushy.
I have a R1200GS LC 2015, happy about it, but everybody has a GS and thats my only concern :-) Tempting since the beginning for the KTM SA. Nobody speaks about the maintenance. How is the maintenance on the KTM @ long term? Expensive or not? Lot of disassembly for the valves etc? How is the reliability @ long term of the KTM?
Always great reviews, I tested drove them this weekend and you are spot on. KTM is a beast and the BMW is all round smooth. Triumph is best looking but bland riding....but well thought out street bike.
The problem with these reviewers is that they r reviewing these bikes as if they are sports bikes n meant for track use....I believe people who are seasonal adventure tourers should review these bikes and that too in there natural habitat that is adventurous rds....!!
KTM is not really in the same category as the other two... it's ADV-Sport with bikes like the Multistrada. The beemer and Triumph would be better compared to the smaller KTM's that are a bit more dirt biased than the SA.
Hey guys, when comparing big Triumph, you should choose BMW 1200/1250 GS ADVENTURE (!), KTM SA 1290 R. They are all about of the same weight. If you ignore that, you will fail in your tests, sorry to say that ... 😢
I prefer my triumph Tiger 1200 xrt , for me is the best because the boxer is slow(i know It because i had one before muy triumph) and the ktm is excessive
Ktm for me, easy controls and perfect LCD screen with all the info you want(custom to you) smooth at super fast not legal speeds and quick shifter plus. One extra the engine is no match for anything I tested maybe to my Tuono V4 Factory, does that answer your question???
Calls the Tiger an old mans bike then proceeds to say how great the BMW is.... Absolute joke 🤣🤣, literally the only people who buy BMW GS's are old men "playing" at being adventure bike riders doing tarmac roads with the Mr's on the back.
Having owned all 3 bikes I was interested to see your comparison. The comment about the heat from the Triumph Tiger's engine was baffling considering the vastly worse experience I had on a KTM 1290 Super Adventure T. I only once noticed the heat on my Tiger when stuck in heavy traffic in 25 degree Celcius heat. But I had to purchase "heat deflector panels" for the KTM which made only a very slight difference. The KTM is definitely by far the most powerful engine but it did not like cold weather starts. (Check out any of the KTM owner websites and it is a frequent topic as well as suspension issues). Regarding the GS, I never liked the BMW boxer engine - I tried a GS LC and a GSA but found they vibrated and at motorway speeds the engine sounded like it was really struggling or going to explode. So for the vast majority of people who ride adventure bikes to commute in the city, weekend rideouts and on the occasional green lane/gravel path, the Tiger is by far the best choice. It is much smoother in the city than the big v-twin KTM, much better on motorways than the BMW and of course well equipped tecnologically, shaft-driven and better suspension than its rivals. Just my honest opinion.
Thanks for the comment. Cristian
Fantastic informative opinion mate
I tested all 3 and multistrada. I bought the tiger 1200, I do no real offroad, while it can be extremely comfortable, in sportsmode it’s the one who feels most like a supernaked. Fine, sharp, very good road feeling in corners, very linear trottle. I found the gs and superadv numb in corners compared to the tiger,o uras quick, but less talkative. Actually my runner up was the s1000xr from a on road a & b road feeling. If you like the 1290 engine buy a superduke r or gt, much nicer drive, much more capable to make the best of this engine, on the road at least.
Tiger engine heat is true, feels like riding a radiator, with jeans uncomfortably hot.
Ridden them all plus the multistrada 1200 ,triumph tiger is the best by far for long distance touring 2 up with full panniers and for day rides, it's not the best off rd , I have bought 2 triumph tiger and I do 20,000 mile a year all over Europe ,its bulletproof
Personally, the tiger 1200 is too heavy and also feels very heavy at low speeds. The multistrada is fantastic but uses way to much ⛽️ (1ltr on 15 km). The gs is still the best allrounder.
Can’t wait for the 2020 models...
Triumph will have a built-in cappuccino maker
KTM will have turbo-boost and oil-slick
And BMW will come with a personal butler
Hi dude, little mistake, the end is near, no one have no more to invent so from that point you are write ahahh bmw butler
The thing I like best about the KTM is that it’s the only one truly designed up from a real off rd bike, while for power they just used their biggest knarliest sport bike engine. All while managing to be considerably lighter then most of their competition.
Well filmed and well edited review - it is a pleasure to watch. I have owned the BMW R 1200 GS for two years and test riden the new 1250 GS for two days. I have had my KTM 1290 Super Adventure S now for just over a year and put over 20,000 km on it. For me it is the sportier bike of the two - definitly a lot more punch in the engine department even compared to the new 1250 GS. The suspension of the BMW is great but it is optimized for touring and therefore A LOT softer than even in its hardest (dynamic) setting than the KTM 1290 SAS. I also do not get the "wobbly" suspension comment on the KTM - it is much more planted on the road than the BMW and flies around corners for a bike of this size and weight. Just my 2 cents - keep up the good quality content ;-)
I have put a lot of miles on two different KTM Super Adventure bikes and never felt any wobble in the suspension. I owned a 2015 T and now a 2018 S. Very smooth and planted at 140mph, both bikes! You probably can't go wrong with any of these bikes, BMW, KTM or the Triumph ride all three and decide for yourself!
Hey Guys. Having ridden thousands of miles on the GS and now the Tiger 1200 XCA, I can tell you (in case anyone is wondering) that while the BMW is of course a more refined, OLDER design, the new Tiger wins hands down via the engine and handling. It's sportier than the GS, and you dont end up hitting the rev governor at 8k all the time like the GS when riding at altitude. The front-end ride of the GS is phenomenal however, as it literally soaks up anything (better than the Tiger). Like most things, depends on your priorities.
Nothing beats that Tiger 1200.... Hands down.
I’ve just ridden my 1290SA (original version, 30L tank, spoke wheels) from Germany to St Petersburg and Moscow, it’s sensational. I don’t understand what he says about the suspension being a bit wobbly...the roads in Lithuania and rural Russia are really, really bad but the suspension has been fantastic. Maybe he didn’t adjust it? The KTM fuelling is sensational...it plods around at idle, and is super smooth, and as everyone knows it pulls like a jet. It’s absolutely nothing to overtake 3-4 semi trailer trucks in a row, it takes a few seconds. As for the brakes, I’ve not noticed any weaknesses but I use the massive torquey engine and slipper clutch to take off speed, not only brakes. I’ve owned 3 Gs, and I like the telever and paralever, but the semi active KTM suspension is very good. I spent a lot of time cruising at 160 km/h, with cruise control on, and it’s an absolute beast. I only use it in sport mode, full power, quick action throttle, it’s supremely rideable even in heavy rain. I run K60 Scouts, which match the bike well, but you need to be a little careful in the rain (perhaps I should use rain mode?). I love the Gs...love the boxer, but I’m very happy with my 1290SA, and with a few mods, and Trax Adventure cases, Ortlieb bag, LED DRLs, etc, it gets a lot of favourable comments.
maybe bmw paid more for the review.
Hi, whats the fuel range cruising at 160 kmh ?
dafebeme2 ...good question, I’d have to take a guess that it’s around 400 km if I consumed reserve, but I haven’t kept track. I usually start the day on a full tank and refill when the reserve light comes on (when I still have around 5.7 litres). I don’t use my trip meter, it still shows the same as the odometer because I never reset it. I carry a 1 Litre MSR bottle and as I said reserve is typically 5.7 litres, so I’ve always been able to refill in time.
They are bias and always pick BMW to win
I'm interested to hear which roads in Lithuania were bad, I seem to remember loving the smooth roads in Lithuania compared to some of Latvia's old under serviced highways. That being said I would love to make that trip. I lived in the Baltic states for two years.
I’ve watched like a hundred reviews for the 2018 triumph 1200 xca and this is definitely one of the best.
One week on a new Vstrom 1000 XT with remus exhaust. For me perfect balance price, handling, users friendly, power, light to ride. I love it.
I have ridden all 3 and finally I own a Tiger 1200XCA. I am loving it than the other two in many ways. Suspension is so smooth and riding on highways are stable and comfortable. Its a GLOBE TOTTER. Beautiful exhaust note from the triple. smooth gear shift, easy handling even though its huge, wont feel like on the fly. A small correction on the mode change - You don't have to stop the vehicle - Just cut the throttle to change the mode. BMW changing gear is so annoying. Feels like HD. Other than that yes the bike is fully loaded with lots of tech. KTM is powerful and aggressive. When it come to the using the modes and the display, using the switches - its a bit confusing.
...I forgot to add that I’ve not oiled or cleaned my chain in the last 7000 km on this trip, so don’t be put off by KTM not having a drive shaft. I use a pro Oiler micro pump with GPS sender, so an (adjustable at handlebar) dose of oil is delivered to the chain/sprocket according to the distance travelled. These setups regularly achieve 100,000 km chain life with zero cleaning required.
Ronan Rogers I own an original KTM 1290 SA (the white giant with 30l fuel tank myself) and I've been happy with it so far.
However I have to agree, that the breaks are kind of weak for this bike. Wish it would be more powerful. KTM claims that the breaks were designed like this, in order to deliver more linear breaking power. However it just feels to weak to me. Especially when riding with pillion rider and fully loaded.
Great adventure and long distance bike though.
oiler with GPS? that's a bit over the top...
rationalityfirst ...depends on if you like cleaning and lubricating your chain. I’m still on my trip, and in 7800 km I haven’t cleaned it, lubricated it, or adjusted it (but of course I’ve checked the adjustment). Peace of mind, and it’s paid for by the extra long life of the chain and sprockets.
I just can't see the problem with chain...guess its just old people with a back problem who cant oil a chain...always the same naging about it...my chains has lived 20-25000km...
Rafael replace your pads with a different brand, that alone will get you the "Bite" you desire.
Based on this review... I just bought a Tiger1200.
Much appreciated!
How you getting on with it? How tall are you? I’m 6’ and the ktm felt comfy but the bmw I feel as though I should’ve bought the tank dinner first
@@t-rex4211 😂😂
The Tiger is fantastic. Comfortable, smooth, responsive, getting right at 50mpg.
Just finished a 14-day trip around the Great Lakes and no hiccups with the exception of a lacerated front tire after slowly rolling through a construction zone. Saw several gaggles of bmrs in Ontario and a couple of KTMs and, or course, the assorted HDs and Gold wings. I was the only Big Cat.
forgot.... 6'2", 230.
It's TALL bike but I'm pretty sure there is a "low" edition.
@@williammahaffy4642 Nice one. Too late on your reply though. I’ve had my tiger a week. Loving it. Damn thing needs a reverse though. You’ve gotta really think about where you park or not be afraid to ask a stranger for a push😉 I’m in U.K. and hoping to do a tour of Europe soon. Lovely and stable and comfy. Not ridden in 3 years so the test drive was a bit daunting
I was not able to decide between BMW and KTM but when I have found out KTM does not have a decent diagnostic tool on the market and BMW has a perfect scanner I went with the BMW because I plan on keeping it way after the warranty is expired so I can maintain it on my own without pricey dealer fees.
I would like to add that the servicing costs are more expensive on the KTM than on the BMW, a friend of mine serviced his 1290 (Adventure S) at a cost of approx R17 000, about $1400 US. This service included replacement parts for repairs being made. He uses it for commuting and longer trips during the holidays. I believe. At the end of the day, I believe both BMW and KTM mak similar profits from these premium bikes
That KTM is a beast when you crank it and rather refined when you want to chill. I love mine.
BMW GS❤❤❤
Would love any of the three... Looks like i'd go with KTM in my 20's , 30's Triupmh, 40's BMW. And that's how I usually feel between the three brands!
50,s a walking frame
@@stuartboyd6340 😂 or tesla wheel chair 0-100 3 seconds
Great review! I purchased my first GS 8 months ago and it really is an amazing all around do everything bike. What surprised me the most is how well it handles in the twisties, nearly as nimble as my Tuono, I kid you not!
PistolPete63 Agreed. Overall the GS tends to win
Is your Tuono really that bad?
MrKdr500 “nearly” as good. Have you ridden a GS all out on twisty roads? If not, I highly recommend you give it a try and I think you will agree!
PistolPete63 - I have had 2 GS’s and frequently ride a relative’s. Plus the Son in Law has a Tourno. May I just say you are talking bullshit sir.
Chris Malloy you’re entitled to your opinion even if ill informed. I ride both bikes several times/week and completely disagree with you. Thanks for the comment though!
I have a Harley but now watching you guys define these machines makes me want to up grade to one of these machines. I thank you for giving an honest review..
Regards..Ride hard and safe
same! haha I have my 2019 FXLR dialed in and its really fun! but lately have been exploring the idea of swapping to adventure bike
Same…. I’ve got a 2014 Fatboy Lo ghat I just put a 124 S&S into. I thought the hp/tq increase would make me love the bike again but now I question it’s reliability…. and it runs 30 degrees hotter now. The hp/tq numbers on the BMW are nice right out of the box and the brakes and tech look amazing compared to my HD. I might have to trade my beanie in for a full-face. Lol
Looking for a bigger Pan European touring bike, I tested also the vibrating 20.000 Euro-BMW GS with it´s impertient cheap and uncomfortable seat, the rummbling and permanent demanding KTM and some others...at the end I bought a Triumph Tiger 1200 XRT because of it`s incredible linear powerfull and torquey engine, the phantastic ergonimics, the functionality and it´s great building quality.
Maybe not the most first-view-exciting bike in this trio but sure the one with the best long term value for the driver. I am sure, a lot of those bearded, round bodied GS-Drivers would have chosen it, if they had tried it only once... But you can also drive it sporty if you are slim and shaved ;-)
Good review very nice video! I Think that of the BMW ha the most appreciate bike all over the review in all countries and journalist the reason is its "balancing" it has the right power not too much not low ...right handling right feeling ...right confort right emotion ...it is a all round bike to go in office and to dream the Dakar...sometimes other bikes miss this facinous ...and the big double boxer helps this unique facinating taste! I Think....but I ride a GS!!!!
I really like your videos guys. The production quality is excellent, the information is insightful, and your English is better than mine...and I'm English! Thank you.
All I hear is Steve Martin saying "We are wild and craaaaazy guys!"
I chose the KTM over the GS because of the price mostly. I could only get the GS pricing I wanted by looking for a used bike. The KTM dealer offered a $2700 discount off MSRP so I said yes
i agree..
As a 2014 R1200GS owner looking for an upgrade the choice is still kinda obvious for me unfortunately.
My personal perception is that KTM has excessive power for my everyday riding needs plus I don't want to go back to chain drive yet I really like the 220/220mm of travel. The 890mm seat heght is a concern on such a heavy machine for me as well. Looks are kinda meh, but I could get over it easily.
Triumph has amazing engine, it's not as aggressive as KTM, has great torque and lovely voice, I love the looks but the bike is still heavier than GS by quite a bit. They say it's lighter now but a dry XR weights 242kg which is equal to a wet R1200GS, such a shame. I had a fair share of Triumphs in my days yet this particular Tiger leaves me kinda puzzled looking at the specs sheet. Maybe it's better when you try it out in person but I can't really afford spending so much money to be a test pilot.
I'm in no way a BMW fan, but right now all I'd like to try out is R1200GS Adventure. 263kg wet is extremely nice considering you get 10 more kilos of gasoline, additional engine protection and rear rack you'd still install on your usual GS, so the real weight difference is actually somewhere around 7-8 kg. Travel is almost as good as KTM with 210/220mm. Seat is 890mm but you can easily go way lower with a few minor tweaks. Not a big fan of engine / gearbox combo but everything else is extremely nice and is proven to be working properly.
All your reviews are so great! Thank you guys
They are all fantastic bikes, pick your colour and away you go, if I had to pick one it would be the GS not only for the bike but also the dealership, bmw in my experience are great when things go wrong.
Nice test. Where is rider nr 3? Did you kill him? :)
9:47 That scoff at the Triumph made me stop watching your video unfortunately, because I know it to be good.
I always dreamed to buy a GS
When I had the money I tried besides several GS (new, older, adventure etc) the ktm 1290s... and everything changed. The 1290 is by far better. Great for long trips, just pure fun if you like to accelerate...
GS has bigger marketing, that’s why some reviews highlight the GS. If you have tried both you know the answer by your self.... : )
I bought myself a 2018 GSA. Coming from Super Sports bikes, this world of bikes is so different (in a good way).
I never test rode KTM, Triumph or Ducati as the first time I rode a GS, it just felt right.
I'm sure all of these bikes are pretty solid.
Hope I made the right decision though :D
Fawad Bilgrami. I test rode every bike made. I am going to purchase the GS. It just felt right.
Fawad Bilgrami lucky bastard!!! I'm so poor I can't even afford to pay attention 😂😂😂
ThebigM lol.. while we are at it, what would be a better second bike, 2017 Speed Triple R or Street Triple RS?
Fawad Bilgrami I would go for the street it is light and nimble
The GS is a great bike. I bought the KTM because it is more street focused and it's fast! I'm sure all of these bikes will put a smile on the owner's face!
I'm the odd man out I love my 2015 tiger explore It's more of a raw experience then any of the newer bikes just because it is all manual suspension and controls the only thing electronic is a switchable ABS traction control and cruise control. When I take my stuff off road I don't wanna break 5 different little electric motors when it goes down I'd rather just replace a plastic knob
Test rode a tiger. Went with a Gs but I’ll admit I was very impressed with the tiger. I really loved that bike! It was super comfortable and I loved the engine.
I’d have to pick between the GS and the Tiger by virtue of their shaft drive.
The GS has soft, hard and normal suspention settings, which one did you test?
All 3 bikes are fantastic bikes, no doubt. But coming from experience here, unless you are a serious off road rider, there is such a thing as too much power. I know people will agree with me and people will disagree with me on that. But these bikes have different modes for a reason. Rain mode, things like that. Back in the late 70s when I was a young teen, I rode with a bunch of guys here and there. I rode a Husqvarna 250cc two stroke dirt bike. I didn’t ride it long. But there were guys in my group who wouldn’t even sit on that thing, much less ride it. They saw me take it up some old mountain roads, gravel roads, and go uphill doing about 30-40 mph and with a slight crack of the throttle, that thing came out from under me so fast all I saw was it bouncing on up the road on the back tire as I ate gravel for 20 feet, sliding up hill. Thank God I had on full gear. But that bike was just too much for me. Others could handle it like it was a mini bike, but I was never that good. So yes, it was WAY too much power for me. Not everyone needs, or wants, that kind of power. If you do, well there is a bike on this list for you. But just because the other bikes cannot do what the KTM can do, does not mean they are inferior. As most of the riders choose the BMW anyway as their best choice, and it has the least power. So pick the one you like and ride it like you stole it. I’d ride either one of them, but for me to shell out money on one, I’d pick the BMW every time, every day, hands down, no questions asked. I wouldn’t even consider the other two, great as they are. I’ve ridden the BMW and with 46 years of riding experience, I know what I like. And if you chose a different one, I’ll be as happy for you as a buzzard on a gut truck.
I’m thinking you had the Tiger in the wrong riding mode. Change those modes and it’s a monster.
Please do a review about the 2018 Yamaha Tracer 900 GT. Thank you Drivemag Riders.
1290 Super Adventure has a safety flaw in its design, the motorcycle has a major safety problem.
I bought mine six month ago and since day one I have been experiencing head wobble at speed ranging from 100 to 120 mph.
I contacted the dealer and they said “there is a software upgrade regarding the head wobble”
I took the motorcycle to the dealer, after the software upgrade I discovered that the four setting for the damping is not working any more there is not difference in the performance between sports, street, comfort or off-road.
Honestly, and simply, if you don't like the brake bite of a particular bike, change the brake pads, it's that simple. How a "Sport Rider" can pick a BMW over a KTM is amazing to me. Did BMW pay you guys for this review, you couldn't find one single fault with a motorcycle that had 35hp less than it's competitor? Here's a fault for you, in this company, the BMW is simply underpowered!
UNTRUE. KTM claims 160, in testing it was 125.
Not true my ass! BMW R1200GS consistently pulls 98hp on the Dyno, while KTM 1290 Super Adventures CONSISTANTLY pull 130-135hp in stock configuration.
There is always a BMW dealer nearby if you need one. Also their warranty and breakdown service is second to none !
KTM a bit wobbly in turns??? Did you check the suspension mode??? Not confident in turns? Not a KTM problem my friend....
More braking power on the KTM??? give me a break !!!
The guy is talking complete bullshit!
Mike De Coninck I Agree
hahahahaha this guy is a totally dumbass. KTM suspension is great and brakes are progressive and powerfull... BMW brakes are dangerous and ultra sensitive, i would not recomend them. And all this by experience, i tryed both bikes and KTM is superior in everything than BMW.
Trouble with braking power? Fix with a set of HH pads.
Surprised they didn't throw in a Ducati Multistrada 1260S (or Enduro for the larger wheels) in this group.
I demod one of these and watching this vid again to decide what to buy. There is definitely a lack of initial bite. You need to pull the brake harder. The GT on the other hand will offer a lot more confidence. He doesnt say the brakes are bad, they just dont offer initial bite. A number of people put in different pads to solve this. Not a big deal but no 'bullshit' like claimed by others here.
On the ktm what mode was the suspension in ? If you are going to be "pussing" the bike the suspension needs to be set to sport
BMW for the most bland, vanilla twin-cylinder engine note in the world (along with all 360° firing interval twins).
Triples are very cool, but the Tiger 1215cc triple is more tractor than sportbike.
KTM just holds all the character and beastly cards with the 1301 vtwin, no matter what bike that engine is put into.
Can’t make up my mind GSA or 1290s..I think the big KTM is just edging it for my next bike in September...
Triumph tiger ! 💪💪💪
I had an opportunity to ride the KTM for a day this past Saturday, I rode primarily in the sport mode. Very nice in every aspect, roomy, controllable smooth power, one finger braking and loved the clutchless shifting, both up and down. The suspension was every bit as nice as the Multistrada I currently ride. My only concerns were the noticeably hot seat and the “crank the knob” method of moving up or down the wind screen. It’s nice, but not nice enough to get me off my Ducati.
I love your objective reporting, and your English is great!👍
So we sit through a 25 minute long review/shoot out of the best adventure touring bikes, to find out the one which WHEELIES best WINS. He previously described the Triumph as an Old Man's bike ( because he couldn't get the wheel UP?!!) It strikes me one reviewer is looking for a Goldwing, the other for a Tuono, neither is even slightly bothered about carrying a pillion, carrying more luggage than the average plane ticket allows a globetrotting couple, or tearing up the sand dunes in the Sahara quicker than a Camel can get the hump!! Perhaps someone more mature would make for a better review?! Either that or the likes of itchy boots, someone with more 🎱⚾ for adventure!!
Yeah i also had the same feeling
I agree, it seems that he should review sports bikes instead if his main focus is going to be on acceleration and speed. In the end of this long video, I just came out feeling that the reviewer was biased at worst, and at best is out of his category by reviewing adventure bikes for what sets them apart from say sports bikes.
In any case, it's up to the individual to decide for themselves. In my opinion, I felt as though there was alot of mental masturbation going on without the satisfaction towards the end, as one might expect.
Just sold my 10 month old GS. Hated the twin vibration and wind even with a big screen
911HRW what vibration???
Gs is grandpas moto
Nice comprehensive review guys...
11:00 I can't stop laughing when he said the guy with KTM
Among those 3 bikes which one is best can u tell me 🤔
right?! I like the KTM 1290 aesthetically but have had a few persons mention the bmw is the better ride/weight/and overall bike between that and the 1290
How much are bmw paying you?
Yes 20000 for full spec BMW GS think not!!!
Um, you didn’t really clarify whether the KTM needs better brakes OR if it simply needs more brake pressure applied to the levers. This is often easily remedied by replacing the pads. For example, ceramic brakes usually need more brake pressure applied BUT are considered better because they continue to work without fading even after extremes and continuous use such as a steep and aggressive descent down a mountain. Just because the brakes require more force doesn’t mean they are worse. Otherwise, you guys did a good job running through all the pros and cons. I own a 2011 Tiger 800XC and yes, it does heat up a bit too much. I imagine this is true for the current models because the engine is virtually unchanged. Based on your review, I think I would go with the BMW. I might be upgrading at some point because I want a good 2 up adventure tourer for my camping trips with the wife. The 800XC works well for solo riding with gear but is a bit under sprung and under powered for 2 up camping trips with gear. I can do it, I just can’t push the bike very hard with my wife on the back. And all that gear and I bottom out during corners because the suspension is too soft even in the stiffest preload setting. I love your videos and the beautiful scenery (reminds me of Lithuania). Keep it up and bravo!
Good review, I love my 1290 R, it's fast a hell!
I found that the brakes on my 1290S weren’t as good as my Rallye initially, but have since learnt to brake with front and rear if I want to scrub speed off quickly, and now would say the brakes are as good as the GS.
...yes, I agree. I don’t mind the look of my original 1290SA (which I still don’t think will win any beauty pageants), but the revised version with the praying mantis headlight just doesn’t do it for me.
Fair enough. You’re missing out on a stonking bike.
Thanks for the reviews. Seriously good vids too.
I paid $13,500 for my Tiger 1200 XCX and couldn't touch a BMW for under $22,000 where I live. Not worth an extra $8000.00. Tiger all the way.
You have to push the Triumph a little more, to keep up with the others?! A bike that has more HP than the BMW?! And less One kg?!
Are you jocking?! Come on behalf serious!!!
maybe it's just shit
Carlos Leon Have you ridden it, Carlos?
It's a hard decision to make even couple of years later. The result in the video is spot on!
And kids don't forget, KTM is for men only ;))
I can only agree with your conclusion since, after owning both, came to the same conclusion. The BMW is indeed for older professionals as the stigma goes, and that is by no means a bad thing. I count myself in that bracket and would not choose to be anything else. You even get that same perception from motorists and fellow motorcyclists while commuting on the big GS, and that too is a very good thing. The KTM does however give the impression to observers of being ridden by a free spirited 27 year old with ADHD. Again, not a bad thing and if you like 30 something girls smiling at you looking for a break from their husbands (and who doesn't), the KTM is the way to go.
Gerhard Combrink humourous but quite true!
Gerhard Combrink
What a load of waffle.
The BMW: Zimmer frame coming soon.
The KTM: I’m alive, yes I’m alive!
I have a KTM 1290 SAR and I'm 55. As far as girls smiling at me it doesn't happen to me although my wife riding on the back may have something to do with that.
Thks again guys.
Perfect test, as always.
Before watching I am going to say these boys get a hard on for the BMW as they always pick bmw bikes as the winners.
Maybe because they are just good....
daniel thompson Maybe there is a reason for it. I am certainly not dogging the other two as they have their place, no doubt. But I’ve ridden the newer model GS bikes and they are fantastic. I currently own a new Harley but my next bike will be a GSA. I don’t need a bike that can sink my eyes in the back of my head during acceleration, so I don’t need the KTM. It’s a fine bike for sure. I rode a Triumph once for about 5 miles and it did not suit me. Not a bad bike either, just not my taste. But I am 5’11” and even on the tall BMW, I had no real problem with the height of it. Well, I did get a tad bit of a sphincter twist the very first time I came to a red light and my foot didn’t hit the ground where I thought it should, LOL. But I was used to it by the third stop. But the way it handled, I thought I was on a 200 pound little bike. The engineering in that bike is beyond words. But I have an 850 pound Harley that I can whip around like a smaller bike too. I’ve been riding for 46 years. So yes, I own a HD FatBoy S with mods and tuner, and I covet a BMW GSA. I guess I fit the profile perfectly!. Someone else said this, these 3 bikes are dang near perfect so pick one you prefer and you’ll be happy. The problem I see, is people always want validation in the bike they chose to spend their money on. That’s human nature. Since they spent money on it, they feel everyone should agree with them that they made the best choice. This goes for cars, bikes, guns, houses, whatever. Just forget what everyone says and buy what you like and you’ll be happier. It’s the same with Harleys, Indians and Victory bikes too.
Great review, although I'm not sure if it's fair to pitch the KTM 1290 'S' for the road review, and the 'R' for off-road, as the GS and Triumph are essentially competing against two different models which have been configured for each specific task?
Triumph all the way! 3 cyl engine love
Too top heavy
Comments are as a bad as a Ford/dodge/gmc comment section.
You guys never discuss the ease or scheduled maintenance on any of the bikes . And it's something that's always needed on long trips .
Tiger is excellent than gas 12p0 and KTM because it have a good comfort than the other 2 bike
Test fleet bikes seldom are broken in correctly, especially the brakes. I can tell you first hand that my KTM Adventure has fantastic brakes that were bedded correctly.
Great review guys. I brought a 2017 GSA after test riding the KTM 1290 Adventure R, the Triumph 1200 and the Honda Africa Twin. The right bike for me in the end.
The KTM was good but got very hot under the seat on tge test ride. I also didn't like the fiddly controls but the engine oh boy!
The Africa Twin was nice but the older 2017 throtle was to jerky and the frobt end has a bad dive under braking.
The Triumph......nah.
Mike Lowry so which is best
as always, a very thorough review
I really enjoy the back-and-forth conversation you always have because you don't just tell us what you think but you discuss it, and that means something to those of us who watch.
We really enjoy your channel even here on the West Coast of Florida in the United States and can't wait for your next video
thanks
my current bike is a 2018 GS adventure, Rallye edition... And I love it but to enjoy all aspects of motorcycling you would have to own at least five different bikes
you guys will help me decide which one is next
well put
Where is the Yamaha Tracer 9 GT + Bridgestone T32 GT ?
It really helped me in choosing my bike, I'm going for BMW yup costly but I liked things it provides
Hi. Where is the Yamaha Super Tenere 1200?
Umm..so cornering abs, shaft drive and creature comforts like keyless go, handle lock and electronically adjustable windscreen does not elevate the Tiger as a more superior adventure touring bike ? The KTM has foregone some of these and other features for few more ponies, which if you ask me, gives it an identity crisis. Can't comment on the BMW as I have never ridden it...
Your videos are always good. There's real reviewing in them, the cinematography is fantastic and the overall package delivers. However, you guys never introduce yourselves! Why not give a quick introduction like "Hi I'm ___ and this is ___ and today we're reviewing the 2018 big adventure bikes". Small thing but makes it more personal and relatable IMO.
I'm looking at the triumph xrt and the adventure s. Which is better for sporty riding. I like a more flickable bike through corners. I am heavy so don't mind the weight difference regardless. I am mainly focusing on reliability. I want to do some long 1000+ road trips. I don't feel like the ktm has a massive hp difference,but I haven't ridden either. I have owned a fz1, vfr800, and cruiser bike.
Thanks mate, looking to buy a KTM 1290 SAR ;)
I’m the same gs or ktm
I chose KTM because the price different is so far in Indonesia, due to silly luxury tax. Triumph and BMW cost about US$75k while the KTM costs about US$45k. I got the 1290 R anyway...
Gandhi Vyatranto That is rediculous!!! I can get a fully loaded GSA for less than 26,000 US dollars her in the USA. I almost bought a 2017 GSA with everything but the panniers in Boston last year for 22,000 US dollars. And that included taxes. But I had just bought a new Harley for 20,000 US dollars 8 months before and didn’t want the payments. I certainly hope some things change for you over there. That is just insane.
@@Kornholeeoo yea its ridiculous. I even heard the gov is applying tax to iPhone ownership in Indonesia lol.
You can't beat the legendary triple, just accept it.
Bullshit,bmw take the crown on that one.
+1You had indeed pushed the ktm and you find lack of solid behaviour under cornering and poor braking.The same with me that I tested both on track and road.I would finally choose between the touring capabilities of bmw and sportiness touring of multistrada.Keep on the good work!
r1200gs is deceptively nimble for a machine its size.
Miras Khakimzhan FACT
I like very much your Italian Accent. Your analysis is valuable. I bought a Tiger Alpine Edition and that's a pure dream after my Guzzi Norge. Amazing in terms of comfort, agility, power. The best compromise for a touring use, to ride with my lover, and a very competitive prize with all equipments included. The BMW becomes so common, we see them everywhere. And the price is definitely out of range, too expensive ! With my Triumph it's more classy, distinguished, and people notice it. I don't like at all the sportive style and the shape of the KTM ptransformers design which is nevertheless a very good motorbike. With a fabulous engine, I share the opinion, vs the Triumph which is not so pushy.
I have a R1200GS LC 2015, happy about it, but everybody has a GS and thats my only concern :-) Tempting since the beginning for the KTM SA. Nobody speaks about the maintenance. How is the maintenance on the KTM @ long term? Expensive or not? Lot of disassembly for the valves etc? How is the reliability @ long term of the KTM?
Always great reviews, I tested drove them this weekend and you are spot on. KTM is a beast and the BMW is all round smooth. Triumph is best looking but bland riding....but well thought out street bike.
Where are you guys from? I really enjoyed listening to you. 2020 KTM Super Adventure S owner....
The problem with these reviewers is that they r reviewing these bikes as if they are sports bikes n meant for track use....I believe people who are seasonal adventure tourers should review these bikes and that too in there natural habitat that is adventurous rds....!!
It's incomplete without Ducati multistrada
Not sure if it's new or not but you can setup shorcuts to get to modes.
Thanks for this good review who answered at my expectations!
KTM is not really in the same category as the other two... it's ADV-Sport with bikes like the Multistrada. The beemer and Triumph would be better compared to the smaller KTM's that are a bit more dirt biased than the SA.
When on dirt and rocks, effective brakes might be a bad thing. KTM might know this.
Hey guys, when comparing big Triumph, you should choose BMW 1200/1250 GS ADVENTURE (!), KTM SA 1290 R. They are all about of the same weight. If you ignore that, you will fail in your tests, sorry to say that ... 😢
I prefer my triumph Tiger 1200 xrt , for me is the best because the boxer is slow(i know It because i had one before muy triumph) and the ktm is excessive
True
Ktm for me, easy controls and perfect LCD screen with all the info you want(custom to you) smooth at super fast not legal speeds and quick shifter plus. One extra the engine is no match for anything I tested maybe to my Tuono V4 Factory, does that answer your question???
Calls the Tiger an old mans bike then proceeds to say how great the BMW is....
Absolute joke 🤣🤣, literally the only people who buy BMW GS's are old men "playing" at being adventure bike riders doing tarmac roads with the Mr's on the back.
Hi , In my opinion, it lacks just a few more horses (15 or 20 HP?) for GS To make it perfect!
Tried them all, owned the Triumph and the Beemer, next time, another GS, it’s the low speed balance and such a great package...but too popular😉.
Chukky
KTM Simply on another level