OMG What a nerdy stickler. “It’s the end of the world!!! They moved some switches!!” They made the canopy 12” taller. SO WHAT!!!! Imagine the grief he would cause if he was hired to be the set designer. Gimme a break.
@@damnyankeex1 Like many who have came before you (as well as many who will follow), you’ve failed to understand my purpose in making these videos. These videos are not made with the intent to critique or criticize the work of the film maker, but rather to point out the differences between the set and the real aircraft. There are many people who believe the set was an actual aircraft and would use it as a historical reference in modeling, social media posts, etc. “SO WHAT!!!!” you ask? Because I enjoy this subject and sharing my discoveries with others who share my curiosity.
You don't get the sense of just how TIGHT that cockpit area was until you see something like this. The movie makes it look almost expansive by comparison. Interesting.
Despite being one of the largest canopies and flight decks ever used on an aircraft, there is just enough room for crew to carefully squeeze into their seats.
How interesting this video regarding the "true" variant of the B-36 but I find it sad that the Paramount didn't think to save the mockup as many parts are original! Good job you did by trying to identify the correct parts 👏 👍
You're looking at it all wrong. The ''right'' B-36 canopy didn't work. To get that Three Shot with Barry Sullivan, Jimmy Stewart and Harry Morgan, they had to use a B-29 Canopy from another movie. It's all about the big picture. No one will ever notice. Nobody eating popcorn is going to care. [That would have been the studio's rationale.]
@@B36HPeacemaker I'm saying they found the B-29 style canopy more to their liking. Set Design probably made an overscale Superfortress greenhouse so they could get as many actors in the shot. Also the Flight Engineers station. Isn't that more like on a 29? I have no connection to the production. I would have been 4 years old. But I worked on films in the '80s. 90's, Teens, and I know how they operate. I once worked on ''Young Riders'' as a lamp operator. The setting was 1860, pre-Civil War. Plot was Bad Guys were selling Winchesters to Injuns. I spoke up and said, ''Hey, Isn't that an 1873 Winchester in 1860?'' ''Who are you, and What Department are you from? Electrics, I said. I was fired. They didn't wanna hear it. It's a Movie, not a Documentary.
There’s no need to explain to people about building a B36 from scratch. That’s an impossible task. No one in the world is going to do that. If it needs to be explained then those people don’t know swat about airplanes. You’ve done a fabulous job. Just finish off the cockpit and use it as a flight simulator as you originally planned to do. Understand your frustration but Love your passion!
Building a B-36 is not impossible, for the record. I’m doing it right now. To some extent, “airworthy” probably only applies to structure and not so much the flight deck. There are many, many cats who make millions annually on RUclips and social media in general. It can be done, just not at this stepping stone of the journey.
We know of this one, but there could have been more of various types. One of which was on display at the USAF museum at it’s former location, but apparently never made it to the new location. It’s whereabouts are unknown at this time.
The B-36 was the star of this movie, so they should have got things absolutely right; there seems no excuse not to have done. They must have known that it would have been watched by people who had an eye for the details and technicalities. The plot itself was pretty thin, so that just left the aircraft! For me, the best bits are the external shots of the B-36 overhead or taking off; that amazing sound!
You can NEVER, in, a , movie, get EVERYTHING, exactly right. The format of cinema doesn't allow it. It's an approximation of reality. Not reality itself.
Maybe to us but back then June and Jimmy were the draws to get people into the theatre. This isn’t like Top Gun Maverick where there are a hundred videos on youtube critiquing every technical aspect of the movie. The only way to watch a movie back then was in the theatre. No freeze frame or high res images or internet experts. The only reason the Air Force cooperates with these movies is from a recruitment aspect.
Yes, you make a good point, which I accept. But I know how I feel when a movie covers something that I actually know about and gets it wrong. It spoils the film for me because with a little more research and effort they could have got it right! I want to throw something at the TV!
As you say, they just moved the parts around to make a better shot. The idea of the flight simulator being used is wrong in many ways, not the least being in the movie it continues into the radio room section. Most famous is the rear compartment wide shot where the aft bulkhead is gone, the camera being inside the tail cone.
This person posting the video needs to get a life. Also it's a movie , and it was made during the height of cold war and B-36 at that time was as secretive as stealth bomber today, so the military would not allow Hollywood to be exact about the plane
@@B36HPeacemaker I don’t think I directed you correctly. This panel is hanging from the ceiling and it looks like a blue background with white lettering. It’s not a gauge but some kind of illuminated placard.
@@B36HPeacemaker Could be, On my computer it looks blue. I can’t read it but the 172 has a bigger checklist than that although this might be just for rhe engineering station.
@@lancomedic Actually, it’s for the second engineer. The guy to his right is the first engineer with his own checklist and/or sun visor. *Edited -this information only applies to late model B-36 with the dual flight engineer station, unlike the early model shown in the film with one engineer. The second engineer sits behind the aircraft commander, and can help scan the gauges, but not interact with them.
Your knowledge of the B-36 is phenomenal. You are definitely no onionhead.
Good grief - this was a movie, NOT a documentary. They had to get cameras in with actors. I think they did a damn fine job overall. NOT a documentary!
Somebody didn’t watch the video….
OMG What a nerdy stickler. “It’s the end of the world!!! They moved some switches!!”
They made the canopy 12” taller. SO WHAT!!!!
Imagine the grief he would cause if he was hired to be the set designer.
Gimme a break.
@@damnyankeex1 Like many who have came before you (as well as many who will follow), you’ve failed to understand my purpose in making these videos. These videos are not made with the intent to critique or criticize the work of the film maker, but rather to point out the differences between the set and the real aircraft. There are many people who believe the set was an actual aircraft and would use it as a historical reference in modeling, social media posts, etc. “SO WHAT!!!!” you ask? Because I enjoy this subject and sharing my discoveries with others who share my curiosity.
You don't get the sense of just how TIGHT that cockpit area was until you see something like this. The movie makes it look almost expansive by comparison. Interesting.
Despite being one of the largest canopies and flight decks ever used on an aircraft, there is just enough room for crew to carefully squeeze into their seats.
The problem with knowing your subject is that you can't let it slide. I know this from personal experience working on different productions.
I love that movie. Really need to watch it again.
I watch it all the time. But, Dutch always ends up transitioning to the B-47 and hurting his shoulder.
How interesting this video regarding the "true" variant of the B-36 but I find it sad that the Paramount didn't think to save the mockup as many parts are original! Good job you did by trying to identify the correct parts 👏 👍
Movie companies are like the military no good at keeping history.
Amen to that, and they sure can destroy it.
You're looking at it all wrong. The ''right'' B-36 canopy didn't work. To get that Three Shot with Barry Sullivan, Jimmy Stewart and Harry Morgan, they had to use a B-29 Canopy from another movie. It's all about the big picture. No one will ever notice. Nobody eating popcorn is going to care.
[That would have been the studio's rationale.]
You’re saying they used a B-29 canopy in the scene(s)?
@@B36HPeacemaker I'm saying they found the B-29 style canopy more to their liking. Set Design probably made an overscale Superfortress greenhouse so they could get as many actors in the shot. Also the Flight Engineers station. Isn't that more like on a 29?
I have no connection to the production. I would have been 4 years old. But I worked on films in the '80s. 90's, Teens, and I know how they operate. I once worked on ''Young Riders'' as a lamp operator. The setting was 1860, pre-Civil War. Plot was Bad Guys were selling Winchesters to Injuns. I spoke up and said, ''Hey, Isn't that an 1873 Winchester in 1860?'' ''Who are you, and What Department are you from? Electrics, I said. I was fired. They didn't wanna hear it.
It's a Movie, not a Documentary.
@@HootOwl513love my 1873 Winchester
@@guaporeturns9472 But if you had one in 1860 you'd be a Time Traveler.
@@HootOwl513 Not if a time traveler brought me one
Six turning, Four burning.
There’s no need to explain to people about building a B36 from scratch. That’s an impossible task. No one in the world is going to do that. If it needs to be explained then those people don’t know swat about airplanes. You’ve done a fabulous job. Just finish off the cockpit and use it as a flight simulator as you originally planned to do. Understand your frustration but Love your passion!
Building a B-36 is not impossible, for the record. I’m doing it right now. To some extent, “airworthy” probably only applies to structure and not so much the flight deck. There are many, many cats who make millions annually on RUclips and social media in general. It can be done, just not at this stepping stone of the journey.
What ever happened to Convairs simulator?
We know of this one, but there could have been more of various types. One of which was on display at the USAF museum at it’s former location, but apparently never made it to the new location. It’s whereabouts are unknown at this time.
The B-36 was the star of this movie, so they should have got things absolutely right; there seems no excuse not to have done. They must have known that it would have been watched by people who had an eye for the details and technicalities. The plot itself was pretty thin, so that just left the aircraft! For me, the best bits are the external shots of the B-36 overhead or taking off; that amazing sound!
You can NEVER, in, a , movie, get EVERYTHING, exactly right. The format of cinema doesn't allow it. It's an approximation of reality. Not reality itself.
Maybe to us but back then June and Jimmy were the draws to get people into the theatre. This isn’t like Top Gun Maverick where there are a hundred videos on youtube critiquing every technical aspect of the movie. The only way to watch a movie back then was in the theatre. No freeze frame or high res images or internet experts. The only reason the Air Force cooperates with these movies is from a recruitment aspect.
Yes, you make a good point, which I accept. But I know how I feel when a movie covers something that I actually know about and gets it wrong. It spoils the film for me because with a little more research and effort they could have got it right! I want to throw something at the TV!
But, WHERE are you going to park this thing when you're finished!?
That is one of the great unknowns that I must contemplate every time I get to feeling good about what I’m doing.
This is what you call a poetic license. What about the sequence of B-47 ? Did they used a real B-47 airframe ? (Kolkata, India)
For the most part, a B-47 fuselage was modified and used in the film. Have a look for yourself, it’s currently in a museum in…California?
As you say, they just moved the parts around to make a better shot. The idea of the flight simulator being used is wrong in many ways, not the least being in the movie it continues into the radio room section. Most famous is the rear compartment wide shot where the aft bulkhead is gone, the camera being inside the tail cone.
This person posting the video needs to get a life. Also it's a movie , and it was made during the height of cold war and B-36 at that time was as secretive as stealth bomber today, so the military would not allow Hollywood to be exact about the plane
At your recommendation, I will look into your suggestion. Meanwhile be sure and tell everyone about my videos in which you so strongly disapprove of.
I’m sure the set designers thought this thru and went for… thats close enough for Hollywood 😂😝😳
@@stevea9604 They probably didn’t have the forethought to consider me, seventy years down the road.
@@B36HPeacemaker They didn’t know that the internet would be involved 🤩😝👍🏻😀
“… the Aluminum/Magnesium Overcast…”
GREAT movies...
At 6:01 what is that blue backlit panel just above Stewart’s left ear?
Those are the flight engineer’s piston engine gauges that I’m not exactingly familiar with in these earlier models.
@@B36HPeacemaker I don’t think I directed you correctly. This panel is hanging from the ceiling and it looks like a blue background with white lettering. It’s not a gauge but some kind of illuminated placard.
@@lancomedic Could it possibly be the black and white pre and post flight check that is also a sun visor?
@@B36HPeacemaker Could be, On my computer it looks blue. I can’t read it but the 172 has a bigger checklist than that although this might be just for rhe engineering station.
@@lancomedic Actually, it’s for the second engineer. The guy to his right is the first engineer with his own checklist and/or sun visor. *Edited -this information only applies to late model B-36 with the dual flight engineer station, unlike the early model shown in the film with one engineer. The second engineer sits behind the aircraft commander, and can help scan the gauges, but not interact with them.
Really WHO CARES
The people WHO CARE