Totally understand why you are busy, if you keep producing quality work like this all the time. You are a credit to your profession, if only all electricians were like you.
Keep the good work up Jordan, and for explaining in such detail to each and everyone of us absolute top marks, Cory will soon be equally as good as your good self. Well done mate.
Came here to say the same Mike... we use heatshrink on SWA all the time. I use an old hairdryer to shrink it.... not too aggressive heat so doesn't damage stuff
Been in the building trade for 17 years, and now just started my course to be a electrician, looking forward to it, just started watching your videos for some insight and I will definitely be doing the ev once I can, you'd be mad not to. 👍
@@BezosAutomaticEye I'm booked in on a course with a company called Tradeskills4u in November. There's a mixture of online course and in house classes.
I get a tutor to speak to when I need, I've got a domestic installation book with models, I've got to read a lot then answer the questions one each one then call my tutor, to move on to the next one, then the college is in Wolverhampton, I'm in Derby, then you do a week there, I'll no more as I go on, it's abit mad tho the way things are at the mo,
you drilled apilot hole and then drilled again from the inside. after the pilot hole you should drill in an inch or so from the outside, that stops the brick blowing
You could use a printable shrink sleeve to identify each of the 6mm cables? The shrink sleeve is available as a cartridge for the Brother label machine. It's great!
R. D. I feel confident enough that I can use a gas powered heat gun without risk of death or injuries to myself or others...don’t forget the people who write this stuff live under an assumption that everyone is as useless as they are when it comes to the real world
I see that "Harvi" the gray box. Energy Harvesting Wireless Sensor Harvi is a clever little device that enables the zappi and eddi products to be installed without using a wired current transformer (CT) for measuring the grid and or generation power; instead the CT is connected to harvi. No power source is needed for harvi - the energy from the CT is harvested and used to transmit the measurement signal to the zappi or eddi. This means batteries or electrical wiring are eliminated!
Set of spanners always! I have 2 sets of spanners so I have 2 of every size. 9 - 32mm thats a 25 piece set. I have a Draper set and a Siegen (by Sealey) and I way prefer the Siegen. Usually a 22 for the thing in your hand when you asked. Im a mechanic by trade BTW I don't rate adjustable spanners but that's just me. They have their place I suppose Siegen S0564. Draper 26696.
Nice to see all these EV chargers going in. It’s hard to see the uptake of EV’s just by vehicle watching but this gives me hope! And to the people who say the grid can’t cope, just do you research properly. 99% of cars will charge at night when the grid has a lot of excess energy. And VTG will take off.
Knipex 86 05 250 parallel jaw pliers for SWA. Best of both worlds & don't mark the gland. I also carry the tiny 86 03 150 and the 87 01 125 which are great for tight spaces and have a surprisingly wide capacity.
Jordon I must say what a great video, this has been my dream to do EV charging plus renewable energy but there is only so much one can cover. You have now given me the extra push towards EV changing.
PEN fault is disconnect of neutral /earth before they split, yes? how does any of those chargers protect against that? seems to me they are not even powered as anything (live, neutral, earth) is floating 230v? interested to know how this works. anyone knows?
Hi Jordan Just purchased a Harley Livewire will not charge on the charger Harley supply. Was not happy, But fitted two Rolec Cubes. And they work fine the Harley Charger will be replaced on the warranty they are £800. Keep up the good work looking into renewable energy and trading in my Fat Boy for the live wire I now have skin in the game.
Jordan, are you sure those two bends at the brick corners comply with bending radius? 6mm 3 core SWA is normally about 15mm diameter, which gives you a 90mm internal radius, your bends look tighter than that or is it an illusion of camera angle?
6mm² should be what, a little under 4.5mm with the insulation? CPC have 6mm sleeving, CB19723 for blue, CB19725 for brown, CB19726 for G/Y Also heatshrink in 6.4mm, CB09794, CB09838, CB09816
Adjustable grips are fine for glands... our firm specialise in cable installs.. think of the size spanners our guys would have to carry for 75BWs? Its not necessary for a few marks.. our firms being going since 1974, no call backs ever on this issue.
Personally I wouldn't register for the grant scheme, people are thinking they are getting a charge point cheaper by using this scheme, in reality they are not, and it would be the same price if they didn't use the scheme, I priced up a job for a charging point using the same charger and I was actually cheaper than the firm on the grant scheme after the grant money was applied.
Bahco adjustable spanners are good. Although some people say that the quality has gone down hill slightly compared to when they were manufactured in Sweden, I find that the new ones are still very good. They make a thin jaw version which could be handy for SWA glands. The ‘proper’ way is probably to use the appropriate sizes of open ended spanners, although the Knipex Pliers Wrench is great because you can actually clamp down on the flats of the hex, virtually eliminating the risk of damaging the gland by slipping. They also have the benefit of the ratchet-type action which speeds up tightening as opposed to constantly taking a spanner off and putting it back on again. I suppose two of those would be quite expensive though. :-)
Nice install, but could you not have "fished" down the cavity ? Keep an eye on the min 150mm between switch gear and gas meter ( I think it's 25mm for cables and gas carring equipment from memory )
The Wallbox Pulsar Plus has built in PEN fault protection too. I've had one installed and it didn't need an earth rod fitting either. Very happy with it. I went for the Pulsar over the Zappi as I have a really old house and I wanted the charger to be extremely discrete, which although the Zappi is a cracking unit it isn't that small. I introduced the ev installer that I had to Lynian Superclips, as after watching your installation of your own charger I knew I wanted them to make the job as neat as possible so I bought a bag and had them ready on the morning of the install. The installer was really impressed by them and took the packet away with him Nice installation btw. Really enjoy your videos
PEN fault is disconnect of neutra/earth before they split, yes? how does any of those chargers protect against that? seems to me they are not even powered as anything is floating 230v?
I lost the last question could you please tell me how many Zappy charges I can run off the generator either 125 ampTPN E or 5 Core camlock system for a mobile possible unit run at Events sites Yours Michelle Foster
Tidy job Artisan. For sleeving I would recommend heat shrink, looks like it’s been mentioned a few times below, has a smart finish once it’s shrunk down onto the conductors. EV charging is definitely a course I’ll be looking to complete in the future 👍
I'd like to know where all this electricity is going to come from. The widespread closure of conventional power stations following the huge investment in wind power is OK whilst the wind blows (at "Goldilocks" speeds,) just about. All it would take is a blocking anticyclone over the UK, (resulting in insufficient wind, like like we had a couple of summers ago,) during a cold winter, both scenarios not unknown The resulting power cuts during this time would be the least of our problems.
Look at the RUclips series "Watt barriers", which explains all the issues, the conclusion being that the grid can cope fine, there are only minor issues with some local supplies.
@@r.h.8754 Thank you, R.D. pet subject of mine, 20 years power station control engineer., ex. Energy will become an expensive luxury in the not too distant future as demand outstrips supply, (already did on some days last year) due to “conventional” closures, rise in population, electrification as you said and into all this, the government wants to see 11 million? electric cars on the road in the next twenty years? Anyone who thinks that they will be able to run one of these vehicles cheaply, could be in for a shock (electrical term 😉). When one considers how much fuel duty is raised for the treasury from oil based fuels, I cannot see them giving this stream up any time soon. Then you have the battery life/replacement cycle to consider, 3 years?. Rare earth minerals are called rare for a reason and are usually dug from less than friendly (not just environmentally either) parts of the world as well. All this demand coming from renewables, I don’t think so.
@@mikeselectricstuff The grid (distributiion system) might be able to cope fine mike, but can whatever is supplying the grid, be it renewables or the fewer and fewer conventionals and ageing nuclears supply the demand, that be the question😉 . Everything is fine(ish) when the wind blows between the right speeds, but this isn't always the case.We are relying more and more on the continental inter connectors to make up any short falls but who knows how long this will last given what is happening d Dec 31st?
Bi-directional charging. Basically, they will be 11 million power bricks not being used for almost 23 hours a fay. Plus within 5 years car manufacturers will easily have 1k miles on a full charge and charging times will most likely fall too.
I suspect we will have some calamities at some point, mainly from the reduction in mechanical inertia in the system from more inverter type generators, these may result in some large blackout events. However in terms of supply meeting demand most vehicle charging can happen over night and it will take many many years before the EV charging load starts to approach existing day time peak loads. Dynamic management of charging can help to mitigate this further. However if we want to be truly ambitious and serious about weening ourselves away from gas for heating and petroleum for transport well then we need to build a new, extensive fleet of nuke's.
I so live those cable clips. Wish they had them in my old days. I used 3 sets of spanners which I put 3 colour tape on to tell me where they were in my tool box when used on glands. Hope this helps.
nice to see an electrician who isn't complaining every 2 seconds ;-) Would love to see a video, if possible, of you retro-fitting a house with solar, battery and EV
@@artisanelectrics one of the big hurdles i've tried to get my head round is the products and how they all work together, who sells what, how well do they work with each other, is there a "kit" of products that you would install together. Whilst a physical install may not be possible yet, presenting the options would be really interesting to see and might lead to enquiries ;-)
Mate, you stick with the grips. As long as they are done up correctly👍🏻 I have had to use 2 spammers before but only in a flammable environment- EX rated I think and that was just coz they didn’t want the engraved rating on the gland to be scuffed up.
Just a small query, are you happy that the "Piranha" Lock nut in the CCU has sufficiently earthed the SWA without an earth fly lead, I know that the Lock nut has a serrated face to it, and supposedly will scrape the paint off the body of the metal CCU.
Great video, my only moan (unless you fixed it after the video) is the cable ties and how you cut off the lose ends. I have a pair of Lindstrom cutters, made for small cables 1-1.5mm they're not cheap but they cut flush so you do not have the possibility of someone cutting themselves on the sharp end which in my line of business is all to common when you use normal side cutters. You can use a knife (I think you did this before on the warehouse job) but then you risk cutting the cable and or yourself or you can of course get a proper cable tie tool that pulls the cable tie tight and cuts it at the same time which is great for speed but they are also a lot of money and sometimes you don't want the cable tie mega tight.
I think I would have used a smaller consumer unit, like two way, 5 empty ways? Unless you're expecting a lot of future additions. I use Bahco slim jaw adjustables on SWA. Anyway, I think the videos are great.
Please explain why you do not earth the armoured cable to the CPC within the charging unit? I'm not saying that you've done this wrong but I would have thought that armoured should be connected to CPC both ends of the cable.
Jarrod I noticed that you have not connected a CPC to the banjo lug at the end of the armoured cable that you brought into the bottom of the Zappi. Would you only do that if you had a TT supply? or had to drive a separate earthing rod?
It would be great to know considering you are an EV user, what is the cost per Kilometre / Mile when compared with the two main fossil fuels that are used ? I know it's going to differ in every electrical authority area as in price per KW hour, but just generally speaking what would the cost comparison be. No doubt a smart cookie as your self has done this already, or One likes to think so.
With the new UK 2030 mandate of no more gas or diesel vehicles allowed to be sold, its more important than ever to get a head start on deploying them. One question I would have is as old and rundown as some of the places you have worked how will that electric infrastructure support an EV charger in every home / flat? Just seeing some of those run down consumer units and service entrance supplies, not sure how that will work. Also what are the housing blocks and flats going to do for charging all the tenants EV vehicles? I see a lot of money on the commercial side as well installing many of them in that setting.
Personally I would not use "water pump spanners" on water pumps. Ditto, to a lesser extent, adjustables. Surprised you don't have the right spanners. But I'm sure you do a good job anyway.
Hey Jordan, I’m a sparky from Australia and I can’t understand why you are allowed to install a consumer unit so close to the gas meter. In Australia we have to be at least 600mm away.
Steampunk Skunk . I also don’t understand how their consumer units can be install under stairs where people tend to store things in front of them. In Australia they must be accessible so in case of a fire the fire brigade can isolate power prior to entering the premises. Also how do “meter readers” read the non smart meters if they are also in such inaccessible places
Jordan how did you bend that 20mm SWA round that corner! And doesn't the radius need to be min 12cm? Just curious as I'm considering the same as opposed to drilling at an able through the corner.
I am having a double garage built and the builder is running 10mm SWA 3 core cable from the meter underground to it. Is this different from an armoured cable or can you add ev charger to this at a later date?
Thé Myenergi Zappi is a great charger, we have three, two at home and one at our holiday home, all linked to our solar panel systems. Great bit of kit.
hi jordan. you can get something called a wrench plier that look like waterpump pliers but the head is a smooth surface like a wrench/spanner so you can get good purchase on it and more leverage than a regular spanner. KNIPEX 86 03 250 Pliers Wrench pliers take a look at those and see what you think. i bought one a few weeks ago and are really good for armoured cable.
Meter fitter fitting a gas meter will now leave the customers gas supply turned off due to that CU being less than 150mm from that gas equipment. Not good. Or is it more than 150mm. Really enjoying the videos.
Specialised Wiring Accessories supply the larger sleeving that you require. Most wholesalers can order, but dont stock because of the various sizes and colours they make. Strange that someone would put a Sqr D breaker in that Crabtree board, when the Crabtree ones are readily available.
I appreciates a good rack. Should have suggested to install an SPD in the CU. He probs runs a UPS in the rack but likely has nice kit around the house too which could do with a safety net.
Why didn’t you protect the wire with conduit? In the US we would need to run EMT in a situation like that because it would technically be in an area “exposed to physical damage”
Can I ask about the tethered cable on the zappi and other units really. Is there a limitation on the length you can have connected, plus can you replace the short cable that comes with the unit with a longer lead?
Why not drill a hole through the corner in order not to bend the cable at 90 but rather an easy 45 like other videos you have? Still, very nice job. Thanks and keep them coming.
One question! Why do you never center drill into bricks? I've seen you drill into mortar so many times? the only thing that will happen is that once the mortar corrodes,whatever is affixed into it will fall off.. Maybe it's because you work on mostly new builds? In the North West,I'm dealing with brickwork with lime mortar and you can never fix to it
What's the go with bootlaces on a cable cage terminal? A cable cage is designed so that the screwhead doesn't pierce the copper, it flattens them out. I'd tell the manufacturer off for wasting my time!
If that Hager consumer unit is a plastic box do you ground the armour of the cable or is it grounded by it being a metal box. It’s not 100% clear and in Australia it’s different :) great to watch and see the difference. Ring mains HMM :)
I bought my first EV a couple months ago (I live in the USA). I did consider having a permanent charger installed but was concerned about someone vandalizing it or steeling it, so instead had a 50A 240V plug put in and bought a portable charger that can be sold with the car if I decide to but a car that does not use the CCS standard next time. I am not sure how the different charging standards will change and I am not sure if it would be practical to do it this way in the UK. How would you approach a situation where someone wasn't set on a particular brand EV and wanted to be able to charge different brand cars like say a BMW I3 one week and a Leaf the next?
Have you tried the EV Ultra cable with the data pair built in for the CT for the customer to monitor total load? Makes for a really nice job on Zappi installs.
I noticed you used a harvi to transmit the load limiting data to the Zappi, rather than hardwiring the CT clamp to the Zappi. With a harvi the load limiting maxes at 65a but with hardwiring you could set it as high as the 100a main fuse. Was the client happy with this?
If I replace our 3 cars at home with electric cars (as we will have to) will I be able to charge all 3 at the same time (3 charging points) on the electric power that comes into most UK homes?
On the subject of pricing for jobs, I have seen on some EV charge point manufacturers websites prices for installation costs, ranging from 365-00 to 449-00. I'm assuming this is for labour and additional materials i.e. cable, clips etc. I understand that prices for jobs can be a closely guarded secret but can I ask are your installation costs in line with what manufacturers quote or do you have your own? I ask because I am hoping to expand into this area, I'm registered with 5 EV manufacturers and with OLEV, had 2 enquiries but come to nothing. I feel I may be pricing myself out of work if I'm sticking to manufacturers figures. Any advice would be appreciated.
Hi sir great job , just a word to he wise . The NIC might pick you up on not putting a c p c on the S.W.A gland . Yes even the plastic charger point should have a s/s hexagon bolt with a 2.5mm c p c from the brass banjo . Bless these governing organisation , they just love to pick us up on something . I never had a fail on an inspection , but you could guarantee they’d find something to comment on . Best wishes Mike in the U.K. 👍
Jordan you need a Knipex pliers wrench, I have Knipex 86 01 250 for the side the end user is going to see and I use Knipex 87 26 250 for the side of the end-user doesn’t see inside of boxes or load centers. We don’t have SWA here in North America but this is what I use for glads and EMT or SCH40 conduit work. Not a Makita guy, does your SDS not support the DX01 dust extractor? You could be saving loads of time and touching a broom.😉
Thank you for the video. Could you discuss running an external Cat5 cable instead of harvi? Any way to aesthetically mount cat5 with 6mm2 armoured? Would it save money on harvi but increase install cost about same amount plus not look as good? For installs where you have PV, a single Cat5 could carry all 3 CT signals a Zappi can take (I think it does anyway). Can harvi connect 2?
Bacho wide jaw plumbers adjustable spanner is what I use. Why do you never fit the gland first(to the consumer unit)? Then cut the swa to meet it. Seems a bit of a faff to have it fappling around. I did a Porsche charger the other week and was concerned that I didn't actually test the charger itself. Only the test you did plus more as it was a TT system. Do you never do this with a metrel for instance. When I did my course I was under the impression on a TNS it doesn't have a PEN conductor so not a problem.
@@artisanelectrics wouldn't you have a pretty good idea by the measured reading and the visual inspection. I know they never know anything at the DNO but you can also enquire. Also as others have mentioned way no SPD Did you do the calculations
If anyone struggles pricing a charge point circuit then I am afraid they are in the wrong game. Making glands off, I use whatever I grab first might be grips might be spanners, when I was in college they taught us to use grips. Also, realistically what is the chance of someone touching the car while it's charging and the network losses the neutral, it's got to be tiny, and how do you check the RCD in that unit, is there a test button on it. You can use heat shrink on the conductors you can get any colour you want as well as earth. Also I noticed how we all drill in the safe zone, without checking, maybe we should practice what we preach 😂
Hi I'm an ex UK spark now in New Zealand all the EV chargers I have installed mainly Tesla have to be protected by a type B RCD. Surprised that no RCD was fitted during your install
Nice job Jordan. Going through the zappi training material I was very surprised to find that if the Harvi is connected wirelessly to the zappi you are limited to I think it was 55 amp or there about in load limiting. So cant use settings above that. Unless I suppose you get DNO approval prior to job. Or hardwire it. It seems the Harvi signal is not reliable above 60 amp. Just something Ive learned 🤪
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Totally understand why you are busy, if you keep producing quality work like this all the time. You are a credit to your profession, if only all electricians were like you.
At 21:05 - “a megaohm is a thousand ohms” - I’d go for a million personally. Otherwise a great video.
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Keep the good work up Jordan, and for explaining in such detail to each and everyone of us absolute top marks, Cory will soon be equally as good as your good self. Well done mate.
Sleeving - heatshrink is available in pretty much any size - you don't need to shrink it.
Yeah we've use some big enough to poke your head through on some projects, not cheap though!
Was going to say exactly the same. 👍
Came here to say the same Mike... we use heatshrink on SWA all the time. I use an old hairdryer to shrink it.... not too aggressive heat so doesn't damage stuff
Been in the building trade for 17 years, and now just started my course to be a electrician, looking forward to it, just started watching your videos for some insight and I will definitely be doing the ev once I can, you'd be mad not to. 👍
Awesome!
Mate, is it virtual classroom or are they running actual classes at the moment. Yes, you'd be mad not to
@@BezosAutomaticEye I'm booked in on a course with a company called Tradeskills4u in November. There's a mixture of online course and in house classes.
@@brook316 cheers mate. I think it was the same company I was looking at down in Warrington.
I get a tutor to speak to when I need, I've got a domestic installation book with models, I've got to read a lot then answer the questions one each one then call my tutor, to move on to the next one, then the college is in Wolverhampton, I'm in Derby, then you do a week there, I'll no more as I go on, it's abit mad tho the way things are at the mo,
you drilled apilot hole and then drilled again from the inside. after the pilot hole you should drill in an inch or so from the outside, that stops the brick blowing
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The brick was blown on the pilot hole.
Did you turn off hammer as you got close to the end?
I think he needs a much thinner pilot drill.
Come on dude, he's doing it at someone else's property, he'll do that at his house!
You could use a printable shrink sleeve to identify each of the 6mm cables? The shrink sleeve is available as a cartridge for the Brother label machine. It's great!
I use adjustable spanners 250mm long seem ok size.I think for 20mm swa gland you need 24mm spanners.
I've always meant to get some, now I know the size I'm gonna order some, cheers
Thank you for detailing the PEN fault protection device, it was a new information for me!👍
Regarding the sleeving,I use coloured heat shrink from eBay and just keep a small gas torch in the same box.. got sizes from 6mm to 16mm ,works great
R. D. I feel confident enough that I can use a gas powered heat gun without risk of death or injuries to myself or others...don’t forget the people who write this stuff live under an assumption that everyone is as useless as they are when it comes to the real world
I see that "Harvi" the gray box. Energy Harvesting Wireless Sensor
Harvi is a clever little device that enables the zappi and eddi products to be installed without using a wired current transformer (CT) for measuring the grid and or generation power; instead the CT is connected to harvi. No power source is needed for harvi - the energy from the CT is harvested and used to transmit the measurement signal to the zappi or eddi. This means batteries or electrical wiring are eliminated!
Set of spanners always! I have 2 sets of spanners so I have 2 of every size. 9 - 32mm thats a 25 piece set. I have a Draper set and a Siegen (by Sealey) and I way prefer the Siegen. Usually a 22 for the thing in your hand when you asked. Im a mechanic by trade BTW I don't rate adjustable spanners but that's just me. They have their place I suppose
Siegen S0564. Draper 26696.
Nice to see all these EV chargers going in. It’s hard to see the uptake of EV’s just by vehicle watching but this gives me hope! And to the people who say the grid can’t cope, just do you research properly. 99% of cars will charge at night when the grid has a lot of excess energy. And VTG will take off.
I'm impressed with those Linian cable clips you're using. I've just looked them up for a job I've got. Thanks 👍
Knipex 86 05 250 parallel jaw pliers for SWA. Best of both worlds & don't mark the gland. I also carry the tiny 86 03 150 and the 87 01 125 which are great for tight spaces and have a surprisingly wide capacity.
For armoured glands I either use 2x Bahco 9029-T 6" thin jaw adjustable spanners or the Knipex Pliers Wrench
The New Knipex water pump pliers are the best ,parallel jaws and the locking action are brilliant,86-03-180 upwards
Jordon I must say what a great video, this has been my dream to do EV charging plus renewable energy but there is only so much one can cover. You have now given me the extra push towards EV changing.
PEN fault is disconnect of neutral /earth before they split, yes? how does any of those chargers protect against that? seems to me they are not even powered as anything (live, neutral, earth) is floating 230v? interested to know how this works. anyone knows?
120 quid for crimps is absolutely bananas. get a bahco ergo adjustable spanner and a set of parallel jaw grips for your glans
Hi Jordan Just purchased a Harley Livewire will not charge on the charger Harley supply. Was not happy, But fitted two Rolec Cubes. And they work fine the Harley Charger will be replaced on the warranty they are £800. Keep up the good work looking into renewable energy and trading in my Fat Boy for the live wire I now have skin in the game.
Jordan, are you sure those two bends at the brick corners comply with bending radius? 6mm 3 core SWA is normally about 15mm diameter, which gives you a 90mm internal radius, your bends look tighter than that or is it an illusion of camera angle?
I know that Rexel sell 3-core SWA cable with the brown, blue + green/yellow cores as well as the normal brown, black, grey you tend to see everywhere
6mm² should be what, a little under 4.5mm with the insulation?
CPC have 6mm sleeving, CB19723 for blue, CB19725 for brown, CB19726 for G/Y
Also heatshrink in 6.4mm, CB09794, CB09838, CB09816
Adjustable grips are fine for glands... our firm specialise in cable installs.. think of the size spanners our guys would have to carry for 75BWs? Its not necessary for a few marks.. our firms being going since 1974, no call backs ever on this issue.
Bahco wide jaw adjustable wrench 6'' works perfectly with glands up to 32 mm 👌
Personally I wouldn't register for the grant scheme, people are thinking they are getting a charge point cheaper by using this scheme, in reality they are not, and it would be the same price if they didn't use the scheme, I priced up a job for a charging point using the same charger and I was actually cheaper than the firm on the grant scheme after the grant money was applied.
Bahco adjustable spanners are good. Although some people say that the quality has gone down hill slightly compared to when they were manufactured in Sweden, I find that the new ones are still very good. They make a thin jaw version which could be handy for SWA glands. The ‘proper’ way is probably to use the appropriate sizes of open ended spanners, although the Knipex Pliers Wrench is great because you can actually clamp down on the flats of the hex, virtually eliminating the risk of damaging the gland by slipping. They also have the benefit of the ratchet-type action which speeds up tightening as opposed to constantly taking a spanner off and putting it back on again. I suppose two of those would be quite expensive though. :-)
Get yourself a dust extractor for your sds m8, game changer. 👍
Good tip!
Nice install, but could you not have "fished" down the cavity ? Keep an eye on the min 150mm between switch gear and gas meter ( I think it's 25mm for cables and gas carring equipment from memory )
The Wallbox Pulsar Plus has built in PEN fault protection too. I've had one installed and it didn't need an earth rod fitting either.
Very happy with it. I went for the Pulsar over the Zappi as I have a really old house and I wanted the charger to be extremely discrete, which although the Zappi is a cracking unit it isn't that small.
I introduced the ev installer that I had to Lynian Superclips, as after watching your installation of your own charger I knew I wanted them to make the job as neat as possible so I bought a bag and had them ready on the morning of the install. The installer was really impressed by them and took the packet away with him
Nice installation btw. Really enjoy your videos
PEN fault is disconnect of neutra/earth before they split, yes? how does any of those chargers protect against that? seems to me they are not even powered as anything is floating 230v?
I lost the last question could you please tell me how many Zappy charges I can run off the generator either 125 ampTPN E or 5 Core camlock system for a mobile possible unit run at Events sites Yours Michelle Foster
Tidy job Artisan. For sleeving I would recommend heat shrink, looks like it’s been mentioned a few times below, has a smart finish once it’s shrunk down onto the conductors. EV charging is definitely a course I’ll be looking to complete in the future 👍
I'd like to know where all this electricity is going to come from. The widespread closure of conventional power stations following the huge investment in wind power is OK whilst the wind blows (at "Goldilocks" speeds,) just about. All it would take is a blocking anticyclone over the UK, (resulting in insufficient wind, like like we had a couple of summers ago,) during a cold winter, both scenarios not unknown The resulting power cuts during this time would be the least of our problems.
Look at the RUclips series "Watt barriers", which explains all the issues, the conclusion being that the grid can cope fine, there are only minor issues with some local supplies.
@@r.h.8754 Thank you, R.D. pet subject of mine, 20 years power station control engineer., ex.
Energy will become an expensive luxury in the not too distant future as demand outstrips supply, (already did on some days last year) due to “conventional” closures, rise in population, electrification as you said and into all this, the government wants to see 11 million? electric cars on the road in the next twenty years?
Anyone who thinks that they will be able to run one of these vehicles cheaply, could be in for a shock (electrical term 😉). When one considers how much fuel duty is raised for the treasury from oil based fuels, I cannot see them giving this stream up any time soon.
Then you have the battery life/replacement cycle to consider, 3 years?. Rare earth minerals are called rare for a reason and are usually dug from less than friendly (not just environmentally either) parts of the world as well.
All this demand coming from renewables, I don’t think so.
@@mikeselectricstuff The grid (distributiion system) might be able to cope fine mike, but can whatever is supplying the grid, be it renewables or the fewer and fewer conventionals and ageing nuclears supply the demand, that be the question😉 .
Everything is fine(ish) when the wind blows between the right speeds, but this isn't always the case.We are relying more and more on the continental inter connectors to make up any short falls but who knows how long this will last given what is happening d
Dec 31st?
Bi-directional charging. Basically, they will be 11 million power bricks not being used for almost 23 hours a fay. Plus within 5 years car manufacturers will easily have 1k miles on a full charge and charging times will most likely fall too.
I suspect we will have some calamities at some point, mainly from the reduction in mechanical inertia in the system from more inverter type generators, these may result in some large blackout events. However in terms of supply meeting demand most vehicle charging can happen over night and it will take many many years before the EV charging load starts to approach existing day time peak loads. Dynamic management of charging can help to mitigate this further.
However if we want to be truly ambitious and serious about weening ourselves away from gas for heating and petroleum for transport well then we need to build a new, extensive fleet of nuke's.
I am electrician apprentice in Germany and hope I will one day do this seems like pretty interesting hardware
I so live those cable clips. Wish they had them in my old days.
I used 3 sets of spanners which I put 3 colour tape on to tell me where they were in my tool box when used on glands. Hope this helps.
For tightening glands I use Knipex 86 03 grips with flat blades, a bit pricey but well worth the investment
nice to see an electrician who isn't complaining every 2 seconds ;-) Would love to see a video, if possible, of you retro-fitting a house with solar, battery and EV
Haha thanks. I would love to do an install like that! Maybe one day!
@@artisanelectrics one of the big hurdles i've tried to get my head round is the products and how they all work together, who sells what, how well do they work with each other, is there a "kit" of products that you would install together. Whilst a physical install may not be possible yet, presenting the options would be really interesting to see and might lead to enquiries ;-)
Buy the knipex pliers wrench. Well worth the money and keeps those glands nice and tidy
Mate, you stick with the grips. As long as they are done up correctly👍🏻 I have had to use 2 spammers before but only in a flammable environment- EX rated I think and that was just coz they didn’t want the engraved rating on the gland to be scuffed up.
did you contact the DNO before fitting the charge point? anything over 60A you need to inform them before work is carried out?
1 M ohm = 1000 000 ohms 1 K ohm = 1000 ohms. Excellent videos thanks.
Another top video and invaluable for potential trade people such as myself, wanting to get into the EV game.
Just a small query, are you happy that the "Piranha" Lock nut in the CCU has sufficiently earthed the SWA without an earth fly lead, I know that the Lock nut has a serrated face to it, and supposedly will scrape the paint off the body of the metal CCU.
Great video, my only moan (unless you fixed it after the video) is the cable ties and how you cut off the lose ends. I have a pair of Lindstrom cutters, made for small cables 1-1.5mm they're not cheap but they cut flush so you do not have the possibility of someone cutting themselves on the sharp end which in my line of business is all to common when you use normal side cutters. You can use a knife (I think you did this before on the warehouse job) but then you risk cutting the cable and or yourself or you can of course get a proper cable tie tool that pulls the cable tie tight and cuts it at the same time which is great for speed but they are also a lot of money and sometimes you don't want the cable tie mega tight.
if your going to keep using those water pipe pliers just wrap a couple layers of insulation tape around them to stop them scratching the fitting.
I think I would have used a smaller consumer unit, like two way, 5 empty ways? Unless you're expecting a lot of future additions. I use Bahco slim jaw adjustables on SWA. Anyway, I think the videos are great.
Is it 6mm or 10mm (square) armoured cable? Will it allow charging above 32A?
Please explain why you do not earth the armoured cable to the CPC within the charging unit? I'm not saying that you've done this wrong but I would have thought that armoured should be connected to CPC both ends of the cable.
Jarrod I noticed that you have not connected a CPC to the banjo lug at the end of the armoured cable that you brought into the bottom of the Zappi. Would you only do that if you had a TT supply? or had to drive a separate earthing rod?
It would be great to know considering you are an EV user, what is the cost per Kilometre / Mile when compared with the two main fossil fuels that are used ? I know it's going to differ in every electrical authority area as in price per KW hour, but just generally speaking what would the cost comparison be. No doubt a smart cookie as your self has done this already, or One likes to think so.
With the new UK 2030 mandate of no more gas or diesel vehicles allowed to be sold, its more important than ever to get a head start on deploying them. One question I would have is as old and rundown as some of the places you have worked how will that electric infrastructure support an EV charger in every home / flat? Just seeing some of those run down consumer units and service entrance supplies, not sure how that will work. Also what are the housing blocks and flats going to do for charging all the tenants EV vehicles? I see a lot of money on the commercial side as well installing many of them in that setting.
Personally I would not use "water pump spanners" on water pumps. Ditto, to a lesser extent, adjustables. Surprised you don't have the right spanners. But I'm sure you do a good job anyway.
Hey Jordan, I’m a sparky from Australia and I can’t understand why you are allowed to install a consumer unit so close to the gas meter. In Australia we have to be at least 600mm away.
I spotted that too. We do need 600mm clearance and our gas meters are normally outside.
Steampunk Skunk . I also don’t understand how their consumer units can be install under stairs where people tend to store things in front of them. In Australia they must be accessible so in case of a fire the fire brigade can isolate power prior to entering the premises. Also how do “meter readers” read the non smart meters if they are also in such inaccessible places
150mm clearance required in uk from main fuse/consumer unit,25mm from cables.Personally i wouldnt have put it that close.
Just get the correct wrench, the adjustible does the same damage.
It's ok for some use but you should know: You damge your screws
Going on a ev course in September in Oldham NAPIT looking forward to it hopefully get my foot in the door 👍👍💪💪
Jordan how did you bend that 20mm SWA round that corner! And doesn't the radius need to be min 12cm? Just curious as I'm considering the same as opposed to drilling at an able through the corner.
I am having a double garage built and the builder is running 10mm SWA 3 core cable from the meter underground to it. Is this different from an armoured cable or can you add ev charger to this at a later date?
Thé Myenergi Zappi is a great charger, we have three, two at home and one at our holiday home, all linked to our solar panel systems. Great bit of kit.
hi jordan. you can get something called a wrench plier that look like waterpump pliers but the head is a smooth surface like a wrench/spanner so you can get good purchase on it and more leverage than a regular spanner. KNIPEX 86 03 250 Pliers Wrench pliers
take a look at those and see what you think.
i bought one a few weeks ago and are really good for armoured cable.
Meter fitter fitting a gas meter will now leave the customers gas supply turned off due to that CU being less than 150mm from that gas equipment. Not good. Or is it more than 150mm. Really enjoying the videos.
Specialised Wiring Accessories supply the larger sleeving that you require. Most wholesalers can order, but dont stock because of the various sizes and colours they make.
Strange that someone would put a Sqr D breaker in that Crabtree board, when the Crabtree ones are readily available.
I appreciates a good rack. Should have suggested to install an SPD in the CU. He probs runs a UPS in the rack but likely has nice kit around the house too which could do with a safety net.
Why didn’t you protect the wire with conduit? In the US we would need to run EMT in a situation like that because it would technically be in an area “exposed to physical damage”
Because if it's armoured cable or tough sheath cable it doesn't need to be in trunking
Can I ask about the tethered cable on the zappi and other units really. Is there a limitation on the length you can have connected, plus can you replace the short cable that comes with the unit with a longer lead?
Im with Bulb , i have a Zappi and ive just got a powerwall and added extra panels
Why not drill a hole through the corner in order not to bend the cable at 90 but rather an easy 45 like other videos you have? Still, very nice job. Thanks and keep them coming.
One question! Why do you never center drill into bricks? I've seen you drill into mortar so many times? the only thing that will happen is that once the mortar corrodes,whatever is affixed into it will fall off.. Maybe it's because you work on mostly new builds? In the North West,I'm dealing with brickwork with lime mortar and you can never fix to it
What's the go with bootlaces on a cable cage terminal? A cable cage is designed so that the screwhead doesn't pierce the copper, it flattens them out. I'd tell the manufacturer off for wasting my time!
In Ireland we use 10mm2 for EV points and put them on a C42 RCBO back at the unit
If there was a spare way in the consumer unit would you have used it for the charger?
What cleats did you use?? Thanks
If that Hager consumer unit is a plastic box do you ground the armour of the cable or is it grounded by it being a metal box. It’s not 100% clear and in Australia it’s different :) great to watch and see the difference. Ring mains HMM :)
I bought my first EV a couple months ago (I live in the USA). I did consider having a permanent charger installed but was concerned about someone vandalizing it or steeling it, so instead had a 50A 240V plug put in and bought a portable charger that can be sold with the car if I decide to but a car that does not use the CCS standard next time. I am not sure how the different charging standards will change and I am not sure if it would be practical to do it this way in the UK. How would you approach a situation where someone wasn't set on a particular brand EV and wanted to be able to charge different brand cars like say a BMW I3 one week and a Leaf the next?
Have you tried the EV Ultra cable with the data pair built in for the CT for the customer to monitor total load? Makes for a really nice job on Zappi installs.
Ignore that, just seen the Harvi!
I noticed you used a harvi to transmit the load limiting data to the Zappi, rather than hardwiring the CT clamp to the Zappi. With a harvi the load limiting maxes at 65a but with hardwiring you could set it as high as the 100a main fuse. Was the client happy with this?
I haven't seen an intake board like that since I was at college. 😂
Haha
Bahco narrow head spanners for glands - infinitely better than pipe grips which I also used for years!
If I replace our 3 cars at home with electric cars (as we will have to) will I be able to charge all 3 at the same time (3 charging points) on the electric power that comes into most UK homes?
On the subject of pricing for jobs, I have seen on some EV charge point manufacturers websites prices for installation costs, ranging from 365-00 to 449-00. I'm assuming this is for labour and additional materials i.e. cable, clips etc. I understand that prices for jobs can be a closely guarded secret but can I ask are your installation costs in line with what manufacturers quote or do you have your own? I ask because I am hoping to expand into this area, I'm registered with 5 EV manufacturers and with OLEV, had 2 enquiries but come to nothing. I feel I may be pricing myself out of work if I'm sticking to manufacturers figures. Any advice would be appreciated.
Hi sir great job , just a word to he wise . The NIC might pick you up on not putting a c p c on the S.W.A gland . Yes even the plastic charger point should have a s/s hexagon bolt with a 2.5mm c p c from the brass banjo . Bless these governing organisation , they just love to pick us up on something . I never had a fail on an inspection , but you could guarantee they’d find something to comment on . Best wishes Mike in the U.K. 👍
Do the zappys have rcd protection built in i know the 32amp rolec ones I've fitted have a 40amp rcbo installed within the unit
Jordan you need a Knipex pliers wrench, I have Knipex 86 01 250 for the side the end user is going to see and I use Knipex 87 26 250 for the side of the end-user doesn’t see inside of boxes or load centers. We don’t have SWA here in North America but this is what I use for glads and EMT or SCH40 conduit work.
Not a Makita guy, does your SDS not support the DX01 dust extractor? You could be saving loads of time and touching a broom.😉
Nice work. So you are an approved EV installer. Would you say these are the best ?
what mm cable is used to run a boiler fused spur
Why do sparks fit earth tape to non insulated crimps?
Does your PEN fault conductor have a BS number?
The TN-S earth braids aren't swetted on no more they use constant force springs now and heat shrink shroud fitted
Thank you for the video. Could you discuss running an external Cat5 cable instead of harvi? Any way to aesthetically mount cat5 with 6mm2 armoured? Would it save money on harvi but increase install cost about same amount plus not look as good? For installs where you have PV, a single Cat5 could carry all 3 CT signals a Zappi can take (I think it does anyway). Can harvi connect 2?
I would use EV Ultra cable now with Cat5 cable built in to the armoured able it looks neat and means you can hard wire the CTs
@@artisanelectrics Great find! Thank you.
Bacho wide jaw plumbers adjustable spanner is what I use. Why do you never fit the gland first(to the consumer unit)? Then cut the swa to meet it. Seems a bit of a faff to have it fappling around. I did a Porsche charger the other week and was concerned that I didn't actually test the charger itself. Only the test you did plus more as it was a TT system. Do you never do this with a metrel for instance. When I did my course I was under the impression on a TNS it doesn't have a PEN conductor so not a problem.
If it’s TNS you have to assume that it might have been converted to TNCS by the DNO and therefore PEN conductor is possible
@@artisanelectrics wouldn't you have a pretty good idea by the measured reading and the visual inspection. I know they never know anything at the DNO but you can also enquire. Also as others have mentioned way no SPD Did you do the calculations
Hagar Plastic Blanks. ? Most manufacturers use metal blanks for the 18th.
brilliant video as usual. Where do you go for a course regarding certificate on fitting EV chargers. Kind regards John
If anyone struggles pricing a charge point circuit then I am afraid they are in the wrong game.
Making glands off, I use whatever I grab first might be grips might be spanners, when I was in college they taught us to use grips.
Also, realistically what is the chance of someone touching the car while it's charging and the network losses the neutral, it's got to be tiny, and how do you check the RCD in that unit, is there a test button on it.
You can use heat shrink on the conductors you can get any colour you want as well as earth.
Also I noticed how we all drill in the safe zone, without checking, maybe we should practice what we preach 😂
Hi I'm an ex UK spark now in New Zealand all the EV chargers I have installed mainly Tesla have to be protected by a type B RCD. Surprised that no RCD was fitted during your install
I havent had anything to do with them yet but doesnt it require an RCD as its in a special location (outside) ?
I should have watched the end of the video before asking lol
doing my EV charger course in October, looking forward to it
If you don’t mind me asking how did it go? I’m doing the domestic installer plus ev charging very soon.
Nice job as usual Jordan, but I think a set of SWA Storm glands would be the cherry on that particular cake. 👍👍
Can you train to just be an EV charger installer? Or Do you need to be a qualified spark to start with?
Nice job Jordan.
Going through the zappi training material I was very surprised to find that if the Harvi is connected wirelessly to the zappi you are limited to I think it was 55 amp or there about in load limiting. So cant use settings above that.
Unless I suppose you get DNO approval prior to job. Or hardwire it.
It seems the Harvi signal is not reliable above 60 amp.
Just something Ive learned 🤪