10 things you NEED TO KNOW before getting an ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING POINT installed at your home
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- 10 things you NEED TO KNOW before getting an ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING POINT installed at your home.
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Time Stamps:
00:00 START
00:27 What size is your main cutout fuse?
05:02 Do you have a looped service?
06:22 How do you find your MPAN Number?
07:20 Do you have main bonding to the gas and water?
10:20 Is there space in the existing consumer unit?
12:45 What if you have no space in the existing consumer unit?
13:56 Where do you want the charge point to be located?
16:08 What is the cable route from the consumer unit to the charge point?
18:00 What charge speed do you need?
20:21 What functions do you need with the charge point?
22:45 What brand, type, color, and finish do you want?
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What an excellent video. The chap was very professional, not "showy" or a Know-it-all. He kept to the script and gave the information required. Top Marks.
Thanks!
The Chap 😂☝🏼. That’s Jordan the Director of Artisan Electrical. Fantastic electrical firm with great staff.
@@Vwfan wht a simp 😂
Hi. Does the cable have to be fully unwound whilst charging?
Cheers
Very useful, I’ve only lived in my house for 30 years and never knew a thing about my electric circuits ! Fab, thank you
What a first class video. I new nothing about EV charging and I feel really informed, thanks for an excellent presentation.
Thanks! Im glad it helped!
Brilliant. Thank you so much Jordan. Lots of really good info, clearly delivered. I now know that finding space for an extra consumer unit will be a bit of an issue...
I have just changed my vehicle to a (not plug-in) hybrid as a halfway house while I wait for a economies of scale in ev vehicle market to kick in, so I won't be doing this for a while but very good to know what's involved.
Great stuff, as always... one thing that we found out about when getting our house upgraded for solar/EV had to do with the calculation of how much current can go through the main panel... so the way the electrician explained it, the maximum amount of power coming from the solar array had to be *subtracted* from the panel capacity, limiting the maximum *load capacity* ... I don't know if there are similar regulations in the UK (we're in California)... if so, perhaps you could touch on that bit.
Brilliant! Don't have or 'currently' (😉👍) need a charger, but just sat and watched through the whole thing for an enlightening heads-up, as you never know when that day might come when you DO need one. Incredibly professional and informative delivery - thank you!
Really great video. Just gone through the install process. Needed main fuse upgrade. New cable run under house. And all meters upgraded. Wish I’d seen this video first. I still would have done it but this explained it all so well instead of the magical mystery tour I was on.
Jordan , cracking stuff as an engineer within a council I tend to direct tenants to your channel as information is clear with no waffle Keep it up!
Excellent thanks!
Welcome
Many thanks for an informative and comprehensive video. As a non electrically savvy person it was easily understood and helpful.
The most helpful introduction to EV Charger installation. Comprehensive. Homeowner friendly. Well done and thanks
Glad it was helpful!
Very informative and well made. He never mentioned that a cut off switch may be needed on older properties where this was never installed. My energy supplier charges £120 for this plus £120 if the meter tails need upgrading from 16mm to 25mm. This needs doing before the EV charger can be installed.
Wow what a great, comprehensive video - I'm just looking at EV's and this has answered everything and more that I thought I'd need to get up to speed with. Well presented, no muzak and concise - Good job
Thanks I’m glad you found the video helpful!
“If there’s no space in the box, he might have to think outside the box”
Classic pun there.
LOL
You guys have helped me out so much in my considerations for my first EV. I headed to your website with the intention of booking an installation with you, but it turns out that I'm way outside your service area.
Gutted. But I wanted to get in touch to thank you for sharing the knowledge in all of your videos. Extremely helpful!
Brilliant video. Clear and informative. Made me realise there is much more to an installation than I had realised. Thank you.
Watch at 1.5x speed and this video is spot on! Thank you!
Really good in-depth informative vlog thank you!! It not only has educational value but hopefully shall reduce the amount of frustration your fellow electricians face when dealing with inadequate answers from prospective customers in the future. Time well spent, oh and nice neat install by the way.
Straight to the point, informative, and humble. Thank you for all the information you're giving us to make an informed decision when the time comes
Can't thankyou enough. One of the most helpful and practical vids I've watched in ages.
Just a quick note to say thanks for this video. So, so helpful. Will prep all 10 before booking the install. Thanks again.
Wish I watched this video before asking installation companies for quotes! Makes so much sense now! Wish you were closer to Worcestershire!
Brilliant video and description of the various issues surrounding installation of a EV charging point
Thank you!
Thanks for the video - you have helped me understand latest requirements. We have an order placed for Solar / Battery storage and part of the installation is an 'Isolator' to be fitted. Our house is approx. 26 years old so does not have an isolator, after seeing your Vid it makes perfect sense. For us we are currently on a 'Dual Rate' meter with 1 main consumer unit and a secondary consumers unit (2nd set of meter tails), that will be changed for a Smart Meter by E.On and I guess 2 x Isolators.
Thank you very much Jordan for your work, he has helped me a lot by installing a similar one at home to charge my electric car.
Excellent summary Jordan, clear and coherent points.
Thanks so much
Brilliant vlog - thank you. I knew absolutely nothing about EV chargers before watching your incrediblely helpful, clear, and informative presentation. Great point of reference for when I take the plunge!
Awesome glad it was helpful!
I have had two Teslas and charged one in Canada on a heavy duty extension cord at 1 kW and now in nz at 2 kW on standard 10 amp extension cord. Cut power down to 8 amps to keep the cord cool and only plug in twice a week max to keep battery full. yes, you save about 5% with higher voltage and more current but that’s about $15 per year and not worth the cost of high current charger unless you plan to live there for 10 years or more. Extra charging speed is not needed because at 2kW battery is completely charged overnight; maybe two nights if you go on massive road trip.
Well,you still know nothing...the charger is in the car mate.thats just another outlet on the wall.
Brilliant explanation, step by step, clear and absolutely customer friendly
Glad it was helpful!
Very helpful, thanks. Good to have it all summarised clearly and without waffle.
One of you best videos Jordan. Really good information for Joe Bloggs. 10/10
Thanks Keith!
Excellent description of the issues for an EVSE (charge point) in the UK! Thanks.
Thank you
This video has been a major benefit to me. Iv been wanting to get into the EV world and like this guys demeanour and demonstrations. Thanks for the input you have been very thorough. It will give me a head start as to going into it. 👍 thanks for help. Looking forward to starting my new potential career op
Excellent video, thank you 👍 clears up all my questions about my future wallbox.
Didnt know it was so complicated fitting a charging point. Thanks for the heads up
You go to work while it's being fitted and pay the invoice when it arrives. How complicated do you want to make it.
I have had two Teslas and charged one in Canada on a heavy duty extension cord at 1 kW and now in NZ at 2 kW on standard 10 amp extension cord. Cut power down to 8 amps to keep the cord cool and only plug in twice a week max to keep battery full. yes, you save about 5% with higher voltage and more current but that’s about $15 per year and not worth the cost of high current charger unless you plan to live there for 10 years or more. Extra charging speed is not needed because at 2kW battery is completely charged overnight; maybe two nights if you go on massive road trip. Total 5 years of charging with no problems. I also found free charge points all over the city where i could get free power and parking at the same time. I went two years on free power just to see if I could and it was easy.
A very thorough and for me eye-opening guide. I have an EV on the way and will check the cabling out, having seen this. Cheers!
What a really helpful video. Answered all the electrical questions I had. Well done.
Superb content. It's made me rethink my installation before the sparky arrives. Thank you 😊
Brilliant video - thanks for posting!
Thanks!
Even though I'm in the US this was very informative. For me I have a garage but we turned it into usable livable space so I'd be parking outside. The one important option I'd want, that may be in many smart chargers, is the ability to lock the unit so a stranger or neighbor wouldn't be able to pull up when I'm not home and charge their car on my electricity. He did however mention timed charging so that may have answered my question.
Time charging only applies to your vehicle at that time. The EVSE once plugged in to any vehicle will start charging. The vehicles on board charger can be programmed to accept power to your liking. The only way to assure that no one can plug into their EV is to install a safety disconnect that is located in a location where no one has access.
My 7kw wallbox has a manual on/off switch inside the house beside the mains input point.
Brilliant! Clear, concise and extremely useful..!
Excellent video - very clear of what to understand about EV Charger installation as a starting point. Thanks
Thank you for this - very helpful video.
Please can you do one that explains what may be possible for someone who lives in a flat, but has a designated parking space - is it possible to feed out from the consumer unit to the parking space?
Also, what can small blocks of flats do to organise themselves for their residents wanting to get electric vehicles?
I have had two Teslas and charged one in Canada on a heavy duty extension cord at 1 kW and now in nz at 2 kW on standard 10 amp extension cord. Cut power down to 8 amps to keep the cord cool and only plug in twice a week max to keep battery full. yes, you save about 5% with higher voltage and more current but that’s about $15 per year and not worth the cost of high current charger unless you plan to live there for 10 years or more. Extra charging speed is not needed because at 2kW battery is completely charged overnight; maybe two nights if you go on massive road trip.
Excellent video Jordan. A great help in understanding what’s needed
Thanks!
Very well explained with good advise and options and things to bare in mind. Great job 👏
Thankyou for making this. Really helped me understand the questions I need to ask installers.
The bit about the main fuse is a little misleading. The sticker on the side of the fuse carrier is its maximum rating. They are usually rated to 100A but won't generally have a 100A fuse in. You never know what's in it until it's been pulled or the smart meter guy or isolator guy has put a sticker on it (they don't always do this). My mum's 100A service head only has a 60A fuse in it.
as a meter fitter, you are correct, 16mm cable will always have a 60amp fuse. 25mm cable could have either
Yeah but Mr average can't really check those so looking at stickers is a good first step at least.
Great video... I couldn’t help but wonder if those overshoes are really left outside all the time !
No they are to hide his door number
MPAN - Metter Point Administration Number - It`s an individual number issued to each individual Electric meter in order to be identified in the national database (ECOS) mainly when switching suppliers. similar to MPRN - Meter point reference number but not the same. the difference between MPAN and MPRN - MPAN is for electricity meters and is taken from a rectangular box with 6 smaller boxes within (the MPAN is made of the 3 boxes at the bottom and it is always 13 digits) where as MPRN is for gas meters and can have different length in terms of number of digits.
The MPAN is located in a big rectangular box usually having a big capital "S" to the left in the 7th box then to the right with will have 2 lines with 3 boxes in the top line and 3 boxes in the bottom line. the MAPN core (most used part of it) is taken from the 3 boxes at the bottom split as XX - XXXX XXXX - XXX - 1st 2 digits showing the area of uk that you are ( different areas will have different rates and standing charges) the next 8 digits are a unique meter identifier and the final 3 by two digits and a single check digit
Excellent video guide. I have an 80A fuse in Ireland in a 20yo house so will check it out.
Our current favourite charge point is the Hypervolt, watch a video about it here: ruclips.net/video/sL9aFwzWSwA/видео.html
My 2 cents: a definite winner on a cramped board is swap out 18mm mcb for 9mm mcb. Hallelujah space !
Also I’m curious about load shedding , it may need to be mandated, if at least electronically. I estimate when EVs become far more common and a strain on the grid, compulsory load shedding /smarts will be needed.
And we put in 63A mcb main switch , makes for a customer friendly reset, if ever needed
Clear straightforward advice thanks. For my money I'd have had it installed behind the gate out of sight.
Even though I'm in the States and certain things are different, this was quite helpful. Thanks for the clear explanations!
Thanks for this video. I'm an American and I enjoyed learning a bit about the British electrical system from it. FWIW, the most surprising thing to me was that looped services exist. That seems like a pretty sketchy idea for a modern electrical service. One thing I was curious about was why the British hang a pair of shoes over their electric car charging points.
😁👍
Its a legacy setup that hasn't been used since the early 1980's but it was primarily to save cost and joint connections to the UG main.
@@starman_uk - are you talking about the shoes or the electric installation? 😉
This should be called the EV charging channel to many videos on ev chargers very simple to install get on more interesting electrical issues and faults
Excellent explanation of what you need to know before buying a charge point
Now to find a version of this video for US consumers! Great video!
I have seen a North American video . The North American System is a fair bit different. Plus it show changing system is in a garage.
Does it not cause any issues, by just unravelling enough of the charge cable to reach your car? i.e. if you only need say a couple of metres and the rest is still wrapped around your charger, does the wrapped up part of the cable get a bit hot during the charging process?
Oh yes the unraveled extension cord problem. Hopefully somebody else will jump in with more. During use the cable can heat up and melt if it gets too warm. This is why the extension cord reels say to completely unwind during use. I suspect that the charging standard has taken into account as there are a few fairly fixed length of cable, so it cannot necessarily sit on top of itself giving enough ventilation. I would say you're probably OK unless you're charging within 1 foot of the unit and not unraveling any of it but I don't see how that would be possible. As long as the cable is got a little bit of a gap between it and it's not sitting on itself it's probably fine. It's possible they also over specked the cabling to handle more current than necessarily needed and used a better higher temperature installation.
@@imark7777777 ... someone figured it out! The excess cable will only be 2-3 loops hanging and there's plenty of air space at that point. IOW, not like you have an extra 20 meters wrapped up tight getting warm like an extension cord.
Amazing how much different an American electrical service panel is.
Yep!
Hugely helpful. I don't have an EV at present but our property was built in the late 1950s. I always thought it might not be that easy to install a charge point especially as our consumer unit is 40 feet away from where the charge point would need to be. There's a lot to think about. I can see me sticking with an ICE car then replacing that with a hybrid when the time comes.
Hybrids are massively expensive compared to full EVs and obsolete. No reason to not get full EV cheaper, faster, safer, longer lasting, zero maintenance..
I have had two Teslas and charged one in Canada on a heavy duty extension cord at 1 kW and now in NZ at 2 kW on standard 10 amp extension cord. Cut power down to 8 amps to keep the cord cool and only plug in twice a week max to keep battery full. yes, you save about 5% with higher voltage and more current but that’s about $15 per year and not worth the cost of high current charger unless you plan to live there for 10 years or more. Extra charging speed is not needed because at 2kW battery is completely charged overnight; maybe two nights if you go on massive road trip. Total 5 years of charging with no problems. I also found free charge points all over the city where i could get free power and parking at the same time. I went two years on free power just to see if I could and it was easy.
Ever thought about being a lecturer at a training college. Very clear and interesting ,put across so a lay person understands.
@Artisan Electrics Here's a question. Barring the obvious safety issues Is it legal in the UK for anyone to self install a charger in thier home? Why not and what are the laws/regulations preventing this? (assuming it is not)
Only qualified electricians are supposed to touch electrickery. I say supposed because there are a lot of people who take the risk and fiddle…danger, danger.
I have had two Teslas and charged one in Canada on a heavy duty extension cord at 1 kW and now in NZ at 2 kW on standard 10 amp extension cord. Cut power down to 8 amps to keep the cord cool and only plug in twice a week max to keep battery full. yes, you save about 5% with higher voltage and more current but that’s about $15 per year and not worth the cost of high current charger unless you plan to live there for 10 years or more. Extra charging speed is not needed because at 2kW battery is completely charged overnight; maybe two nights if you go on massive road trip. Total 5 years of charging with no problems. I also found free charge points all over the city where i could get free power and parking at the same time. I went two years on free power just to see if I could and it was easy.
With a looped supply or if maximum demand is greater than the cutout fuse, Western Power will upgrade to 3 phase for free as part of their commitment to low carbon technology (mine is going through at the moment). They generally won’t fit a 100A service fuse but if there is one in already they will not downgrade it, and if the cutout location is likely to stay cool they can be persuaded!
Could you point me to where Western power state this as our house (S Wales) only has 60A main fuse. 3 phase is an expensive retro fit usually.
@@futtocksend8832 I’m the other end of their patch in East Midlands but what I did was to get in touch with their contact centre and say I wanted to put in an EV charger and needed to know the service fuse rating. I was called back by a local planner who could not have been more helpful - she suggested a 3 phase upgrade was an option and arranged for one of their fitters to come and pull the main fuse. It was 100A but because of a 45A shower and some other chunky loads, max demand with the charger was 120A so she asked for the ENA charger/heat pump application form and my max demand calculation. She’s been out for a survey, had a jointing team confirm the cable run (the LV feeder is on the other side of the street) and I’m waiting for the plans but it will be done in April.
yourpowerfuture.westernpower.co.uk/superfast-electricity-consultation is the closest I’ve found to a policy document - I get the impression that it isn’t a right but if they can, they will.
I had no problem getting a 100A fuse fitted instead of the existing 60A I just spoke nicely to the guy who recommissioned my power after I bought the house (it had previously been an empty squat) and he got one from the van, three phase however would be a whole different ballgame here.
One thing to mention is when Jordan is talking about 100A he is referencing a single phase supply, where there is two or more phases the fusing suggested is likely to be different. Single phase tends to be the norm in the UK but where there is a 3 phase supply installed fusing is likely to be smaller and there would be three of them.
@@zaragonrl This is a UK based channel three phase is very rare for domestic supplies but 60A single phase is common. If you get a 3 phase supply in the UK it will likely be 70kVa which is basically 100A per phase unless you're in an area that can't support that. Whether the grid can support a huge increase in domestic 3 phase is a whole different matter.
Good to see you back Jordan, great and informative video
Just had a 7 Kw charger installed
The fuse board did not have a spare space
They used the outside meter panel by adding another small box on the outside of meter panel
Chose the best way to route the cable on the outside and through the garage
After the initial survey the actual installation took under 4 hours
Would be really great to know if you've ever fitted a charge point for someone with a dedicated parking bay that's away from a wall? My property manager has given me the go ahead to get a charger installed (I live in a small block of flats), but the only wall near my car has a the main pathway between it and my car, so probably needs to be fitted on some kind of stand at the front of my space. I can't seem to find any info about this online though.
If you Google “Pillar EV charger” you’ll find both free-standing chargers based on a pillar design and pillars to be used with other types of EV charge points.
I have been looking at buying this as my charge point cannot be attached to the house (distance to far for the charging cable) - evchargerpost.com/product/zappi-type-2-charging-post-ground-rooted-cylinder/
The charger will need to be fitted on a free standing mount. Plus will need groundwork’s to bury the cable to it. Also need to remember the route to the charger may not be your property either
This install is on the boundary of the property mounted on a post. Needed trenching in.
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The label on the side of the carrier is the rating of the carrier not the size of the fuse that is fitted it should have a label telling you the fuse size aswell
I was going to say that as well. In general I think it's still good as you generally know what it could be and it's a fairly easy way for the homeowner to not necessarily need to know but be able to convey with the electrician making some assumptions. Like OK so it says 100 on the side but it might not be and need to be investigated.
@PETER WILSON My dad stuck a BT wired lead seal on my main fuse years ago (as well as a BT engineer he moonlighted as a qualified electrician), no one ever noticed and the fuse eventually got swapped for 100A with new seal.
Brilliant video, just what i need to share to my customers who ask what is involved in an installation of a ev charger 👍👍
Perfect, thank you for being so thorough.
Now I know that if I want to buy an electric vehicle, I need to move house.
Lol. But ev is still worth having
Lol
In many parts of the UK the DNO will not go to 100amp. Max is 80. Had this discussion a few weeks ago on a new build we are finishing.
Yup that is the case in West Yorkshire (Northern Powergrid). They might do 100 Amp if asked in specific circumstances only. Also, please note the 100 Amp label on the side of the cutout is NOT the fuse cartridge value inside! It is the maximum rating of the cut out unit assembly! The cartridge fuse inside is often less than 100A and it is not always labelled externally (as yours actually was and of course it should be).
I asked Western Power Distribution to update my fuse from 80A to 100A and they refused because my consumer unit RCD was only rated at 65A.
@@steveharvey2001 agreed, would be pointless...
@@bellas_switch_adapted_toys I actually have 2 consumer units fed from Henley blocks. One, for the house, has a 63A AC RCD and 25mm2 tails whilst the one for the garage has a 63A A RCD and 16mm2 tails.
My intention was to have the hard wired 7kW EVSE connected from the garage CU via a C32 MCB.
The maximum current of any MCB in either CU is 40A, so I had presumed that I am protected from any final circuit overcurrent fault above 40A.
My aim of getting the fuse uprated was that it would simplify the EVSE installation as no adaptive fuse would be needed.
@@steveharvey2001 that's rubbish it's none of their business what you have in your disboard I'd complain if I were you WPD respond very well to complaints 😉
Thank you, that's a really useful video, alot of things I wouldn't have considered
Superb video. Clear, concise and very professional.
You omitted to mention that even if you did want/need 11 or 22kW , it's only an option if you have 3-phase, and your car supports it.
The limitations of UK supply infrastructure are really starting to show it's going to be fun when we get to 2 or 3 car families all wanting to charge their cars, let alone flats/houses that have no practical way of charging a vehicle off street at all.
@DefectiveresistorHere's a fairly good video on some.of the current issues there seems to be an attitude of "oh we'll figure something out, technology will improve" with no one really knowing what that "something" is and how it will improve. ruclips.net/video/pLcqJ2DclEg/видео.html
@@mfx1 I don't see multiple EVs per household being a major issue, simply use networked EVSEs to either share a 40-70A circuit between them or manage the aggregate throughput across multiple circuits by manipulating pilot signal duty cycle. In the case of "loop service" areas, networked EVSEs could also be used to coordinate aggregate charging load between neighbors so you can charge your EVs at the fastest rate possible when nobody else's EVs are plugged in or requiring charge without worrying about bringing down the whole loop.
Making EVs work well for everyone will require coordination. Beefing up power production, storage and distribution to handle everyone attempting to charge EVs at the maximum possible rate at the same time isn't sustainable.
@@teardowndan5364 That will also require a substantially faster charge time from domestic chargers though, 10 hours per car, shared or not is going to be a problem for many.
@Martin King Four networked EVSEs sharing a 40A budget is 400km of range in 10h assuming 200Wh/km energy efficiency divided any which way between connected EVs. How many households drive 400+km in aggregate on a daily basis?
Also, by the time households with 3+ EVs become commonplace, we'll likely have quite a few smaller EVs pushing well under 150Wh/km.
We had an EV point fitted and when the electrian came to look at the job he done all these checks as part of his quote, I wouldn't expect to give these details to him and if he asked me to find this information I would simply find an electrician who would do a full check before pricing why would you as the customer be doing the things he should
Exactly 👍
We're getting an EV through motability and BP pulse are asking all the questions on from this video. I have no idea how they expect people who aren't qualified electricians to know all this stuff, and I can't imagine what happens to someone who also deals with mental impairments.
I have had two Teslas and charged one in Canada on a heavy duty extension cord at 1 kW and now in NZ at 2 kW on standard 10 amp extension cord. Cut power down to 8 amps to keep the cord cool and only plug in twice a week max to keep battery full. yes, you save about 5% with higher voltage and more current but that’s about $15 per year and not worth the cost of high current charger unless you plan to live there for 10 years or more. Extra charging speed is not needed because at 2kW battery is completely charged overnight; maybe two nights if you go on massive road trip. Total 5 years of charging with no problems. I also found free charge points all over the city where i could get free power and parking at the same time. I went two years on free power just to see if I could and it was easy.
Hi mate as a dno employee once don’t rely on what the main fuse label says could be 60-80-or100amp you need to remove and check not rely on labels
Dno to do this and re-seal
Super helpful for ev newbies. Thank you for this!
Exactly what I needed! Great starting point
MPAN is Meter Point Administration Number 👍
Excellent video. Just what I need. Full info. Thanks.
Thanks guys Instal·lin Ev chargers in Spain is a bit different, but is a pleasure to see and learn how other entrepreneurs approach the Ev environment.
There is much more to available capacity than just the cut-out fuse size. For example an all gas estate would have been designed by the DNO using a 1.5kW ADMD (after diversity maximum demand) for each house. In other words an estate with 100 houses will consume a total of 150kW. Electric cooking and showers are not an issue due to diversity but there is little diversity if charging for many hours and this will lead to overloaded mains cables and excessive voyage drops. As charging points increase these problems will increase so if the same estate has 8kW charging points added the demand could be in the order of 600kVA!! There is little discussion on these issues since they will cost £billions to resolve.
The argument I have heard is that presumably charging points will only be used at night when national demand is low, but as you say if 100 houses demand 600KVA can their local sub-stations cope with this?
we're a long way off of this being an issue, if we can wire homes up with fibre or drill oil out 3km below the sea bed with a dynamically positioned rigs, I'm sure we can upgrade some cables.
Western Power Distribution (DNO) show which sub-stations have capacity for downstream and upstream demand and feed-in which is useful. Lots of upgrades will be required as more people switch to EV. WPD have also undertaken consultation on the subject.
@@edc1569 the cables are one issue and typically not the problem as they can often take between 80A and 100A per phase. The cut-out and its fuse is more of an issue and they aren’t been upgraded routinely during smart meter installations as the DNO owns the fuse and cut-out - not the metering company. Each sub-station also has a maximum demand - both the local ones and the HV kit upstream. Depends on the area re the severity of the issue. At the local sub-station it may be fused at 600A per phase.
@@normanhartill1424 Demand in the UK peaks around 6PM. Presumably because domestic load is ramping up but commercial load hasn't fully ramped down yet so if people plug their EVs in when they get home from work and they start charging immediately they will make the peak load worse.
Smart chargers will hopefully be able to move most of the EV load to quieter times in the middle of the night, that will probably keep the load on the grid as a whole under control but local upgrades are still likely to be needed. Especially if EV deployment is combined with a phaseout of gas central heating in favor of electric heat pumps.
Really informative and useful video that helped me understand what I need to check. Could be further improved by referring to the viewers electrician as "they" instead of "he". Not all electricians are men.
Good and very informative video and at least I've an idea of the work needed prior to having a Home Charger installed - thank you.
I watched the whole video & found it was very educational. Good man 👍
I believe there are special earthing requirements for EV chargers which you did not mention. As far as I'm aware, if the house is on a TN-C-S earth, you need a seperate rod for the charger to put it on its own TT earth. In that case, you can't install it near any grounded metal on the outside of the building. So not near an outside tap or metal wall light.
Any new build will be on a TN-C-S earth, so from here it looks like you just did a non compliant charger install, either by connecting this to the house earth, or by putting it on a rod and installing it near that tap and light fixture.
Did you give any special consideration to the earthing?
Yes you are correct, that's why we install the Zappi charge points because they don't require an earth rod or external RCD as they have their own PEN loss device and RCD built in. Its very clever technology!
@@artisanelectrics There's always someone who thinks he can piss further than you.
In this case he couldn’t piss very far
That's why you get professionals to do the job and not some "can do" bodge artist who learned off RUclips. Not sure about UK laws but in Australia it is illegal to do electrical work without a licence
How does the unit stop anybody else plugging in to it, if I’m away from my property?
isolation switch inside house
Some ev chargers come with fobs/rfid cards that activate sessions. Or you can have it set to manually start sessions through the app only. It’s all software based which a lot of manufacturers don’t offer. The ICS charge units for example have all the software you need and are of a very similar price point to the Zappi
Excellent video that covers all I need.
Thanks a lot 👍👍👍
Wow! great video ! as the recent new owner ( hubbies really ) of an electric vehicle I've learned so much watching this . In fact , even the guy at Mercedes didn't give us any information like this . So glad I found it . We have been looking at having a home charging unit fitted to make it easier for us . This has given us lots of info and at least now we have some idea of what sort of unit we require and what it will entail in having one fitted . Pity we dont live local to the area were they work or would definately be contacting them in the near future . Thank you so much !
Glad you found it helpful, thanks for watching.
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I have a three phase connection in my new house but I haven't got my EV car yet. The electrician left the cables out. Can I put a socket and use it for something else until I get my EV car and install an EV charger? I am in mainland Europe.
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Enjoy watching the video ! Great information !!
Thanks Ted!
Oh dear my consumer unit is indoors like millions of other houses.
Yeah they usually are!
Electric cars..., what about if you live in a block of flats? Have an old power supply, don't own the property....
Its a nice idea, and the theory is commendable, but electric cars are for the middle classes who own their own homes. Also, just because the pollution does not come from engine, how do you think they generate the electricity. Also, what about the other vehicle pollutants? Plastic, particulate?.
They are putting in plans to install chargers into street lamps and fast chargers popping up everywhere now, be a while before you will get a cheap EV tho. but that whole "just because the pollution does not come from engine, how do you think they generate the electricity" Works the same way for fuel, the whole process of collecting oil and refining it, then distributing it around the world generates more pollution and then most the energy gets wasted, they say cars only use 30% of it. At least with electric there are ways of generating electric with out polluting.
Best you be thinking about a good bike.🤣
@@UnderWarranty "They are putting in plans to install chargers into street lamps and fast chargers popping up everywhere now" Pie in the sky until it happens and how is the grid going to support "fast chargers popping up everywhere" let alone the generating capacity, no one has yet been able to explain that beyond that they hope solutions will be found.
@@frank1847 Best you think about a bike to. Because there is no way by 2030, that the electrical network will be in place for that many energy sucking cars. Not lamp posts, blocks of flats or for the working classes.
This is a pipe dream from government, the oil infrastructure and economics took far longer than 9 years to be put in place for petrol/diesel.
Instead, all we shall be doing is rushing to meet this artificial target and damage an already flawed economy.
Plans and aims like this do not work, let the customer decide, not some bureaucrat in a government, or left-wing scientist who believes in the religion of global warming.
@@UnderWarranty You think cars are the biggest pollution source?
Try looking overhead when that nice jet that takes you on your holiday pumps out so much pollutant. I don't see any electric jets up there.
Go to that data centre that Google uses to power your web searches.
Look at that solar panel, cheaply made in China, that wears out after a decade and then ends up in landfill.
Just because electric cars appear to be green does not mean they are. Where do all those lovely batteries come from, the metal, the plastic....
Instead, we are replacing one form of pollution for the trendy one. The same as diesel was the go to solution in 2009....
Wow - I knew zero when I started to watch this video and now I know quite a bit. A thing called 3-phase etc is occurring in the comments - I will need to look into this. Excellent presentation.
Excellent video: easy to understand and appeared to cover everything you would need to know
Brilliant video, anyone buying electric car and having to install a charging point should watch this
excellent video. I've now learned a lot of basic knowledge about my gas, water, and electricity supplies. This chap can easily become a top school teacher.
so u didnt even question anythingn all this time you was using it. you know this is the definition of ignorance?
Thank you. Excellent video. Everything I needed to know!
brilliant video, thank you this has been so very helpful as I look to move to hybrid/electric ! thanks