Sam Harris Shreds Modern "MORALITY" w/ Jordan Peterson

Are you familiar with postmodernism? Sam and Jordan dissect its current moral implications in this reaction.
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[@timothylovecock4332]

Nice video, good luck with your channel.

[@anthonyboschi]

Much appreciated!

[@GobbleGobble571]

I think your characterization of postmodernism is pulling far too much from the common simplified and political definition. Your probably closest to talking about Foucault (he touched on how knowledge is influenced by power and how power structures and controls the lives of certain individuals under principals of science), however this is an infinitesimally small piece of the landscape postmodernism created. Derrida was focus on language and Deconstructing dialectics (like marxs class analysis), and Boudriard is even harder to pin down but his wikipedia says "Baudrillard wrote about diverse subjects, including consumerism, critique of economy, social history, aesthetics, Western foreign policy, and popular culture.". I highly reccomend you check out rick rodericks lecture series on philosophy in the 20th century. He is a firm believer that postmodernism is wrongly critisized as "moral relativism" and i think you might agree after a bit more digging. Either way good luck on your learning adventure!

[@anthonyboschi]

These are the comments I post for! I shared a reduced explanation of postmodernist principles and as a result, the above individuals' thoughts seem conflated. While they definitely vary across landscape (political and philosophical), the point was that even if it's not made explicit, moral relativism is expressed as a consequence when grounding Truth in subjective means and recursive language.
Furthermore, thank you for the resource! Looking forward to learning more :)

[@ChristopherGontar]

The view denying metanarratives is that of Jean-Francois Lyotard

[@topdog5252]

12:27 Really? Wow!!! That's wild.

[@PopeDope69-420]

The funny thing about postmodernism is that if you’re actually familiar with what they’re really saying, then it’s obvious no one at DW has actually read any.
By the way. As a philosophy major I approve of your breakdown of postmodernism

[@anthonyboschi]

Very true 😂 we have to see it as simply more than a political statement

[@tudornaconecinii3609]

I think part of it is lack of contact with the literature, but part of it is also accounting for the infohazardousness rather than wrongness of an ideology and not expressing that well.
To give an analogy, Peterson often speaks against hedonism and when he does, he brings up things like delaying gratification and avoiding hedonic treadmills. But hedonism *as an ideology* is actually entirely compatible with those two things, as they do, by definition, increase total pleasure. It's just that hedonism as an ideology tends to disproportionately appeal to people who *do* lack discipline and have addictive personalities to begin with, and work as an excuse that makes it get worse . Similarly, he sees the people around him who call themselves postmodernists, and the bad traits they have that are shared with each other he attributes to the ideology (not necessarily because the ideology may prescribe them, but because it nurtures them).
Now, there is a counterargument to my prediction, but it's a counterargument to your prediction too: Peterson, including in this very Harris interview, pinpoints postmodernist *writers* by name and blames them for such and such. This shows that he's not necessarily prioritizing the ideological consequences over the ideological skeleton, but it also shows that he's, um, read shit :).

[@bradley2577]

damn i bet this guy crushes

[@czarcoma]

I'm so glad I am not smart

[@anthonyboschi]

I’m sure you’re incredibly bright

[@danielsnyder2288]

They just admitted there is no objective good

[@anthonyboschi]

Are you referring to their criticism of trying to define good without a unifying narrative?