Stopping the Crazy Gybe
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- Trying to keep it all under control, and succeeding some of the time.
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"Trickin Pickin" performed by Doug Waterman
Love the use of the ship model to help explain what happens, as a non sailor it makes a huge difference. Keep up the great work, and keep chasing your dreams. Been watching for years and they always inspiring videos.
Thanks!
Thank you for explaining the wind and sail using the model, that brings things to light on how things work in the nautical world. I was stationed on an aircraft carrier and I remember the wind pushing the ship around because of so much mass exposed above the water line. Things got real out to sea at times so we all had to be at our A game, from the wheel house down to the boiler room where I spent my time making steam. God bless and smooth sailing, may the wind take you to your ports.
My only sailing is a tiny boat maybe 12-15' and one mast. I learned to sail it in a storm and spent hours getting thrown into the water, but once I learned how to gybe only got tossed in the water a few times. Loved every second of that day as the shore waves were high and I could surf the waves with this tiny boat. I can't image how powerful your main sails would be but I can imagine it damaging anything that gets tangled into the ropes while the sails swing across, or the ropes breaking, very dangerous amount of energy.
I had a small boat also many years ago. It had an aluminum dagger board and I was sailing just after a storm and the dagger board was singing a very loud high pitched sound.
@@larryg.4398 sounds cool. What's a dagger board?
Love following your adventure, and the music!
Thanks for the explanation. It’s like making a left in NJ!
Cant wait to see the footage in ten years when found after you manage to pitch-pole a 350T boat with a spinnaker.
That would be a feat.
Would be worth the admission price regardless, though not impossible would be impressive to say the least@@SVSeeker
As always, taking us honestly through the learning process! I learned the term "coming about" when you turn the bow through the wind instead of the stern but that's maybe just an inland small boat sailor thing.
Wearing, explained. Best I've ever seen. I read Alan Lewrie novels and never understood this whole deal. Now I do.
Doug, In my life it took me a long time to be good at something that usually is kind of hard to do. To understand the physics of certain things takes trial and error a lot of the time. Great to see your energy coming through.
When the Royal Navy was under sail gybes were to be avoided due to the strain on rigging. The "chicken gybe" was known as wearing ship and was preferred by the Admiralty.
I've always known wearing as bringing the aft of the ship through the wind to move from one tack to the other. It was required on square rig ships because they have 120 degrees between tacks to make it across the wind and it was easy to get them caught in irons and loose steerage-way. Not great if you were in a battle as you sit there being raked stern to bow by the opponent or in a narrow channel where you could end up ashore.
Maybe the term is applied differently for fore-aft rigged vessels.
Excuse me is this a joke or are you suggesting that the Royal Navy sailed small fiberglass dinghies?
@@guitarman256 bringing the vessel about bow to the wind is tacking, stern to the wind is gybing. Wearing ship is basically making a loop through the wind so as to always keep the wind abeam or on the nose, it's to prevent damage to the rig from sails slamming across during a gybe. Wearing is what Doug calls a chicken gybe, as in scared to risk slamming the rig out of control.
@@MinSredMash no joke. The square rigged ships of the time could be significantly damaged by an uncontrolled gybe, and even controlled it put considerably more strain on the rig than tacking. Therefore, wearing ship was preferred by the Admiralty unless maneuvering during combat.
@@stephenrgast1844 maybe think about that again. A square rigged ship can gybe without any danger, think about it, the yards are already square to the wind, they can't can't go flying from one side to another.
The danger on a square rigged ship is tacking where if it doesn't go smoothly the ship can be backwinded which can break standing rigging or even dismast the ship.
Another gybe technique is to gybe each sail individually. Start by sailing slightly over dead downwind by 5/10 degrees. Fully sheet in the middle mainsheet. Then a small luff should fill the sail on to the other tack. Now your goosewinging. Follow the same process for the other sails. With the shadow of the mainsail making this next step easier still. Hard to do smoothly in swell or shifty conditions.
Yeah we have done that and once we have preventers it will be much easier. Of course it helps when the wind is not so erratic.
Great video, love the explanation and detailed model of Seeker
Cheers Doug. All the very best from us in the England
Thank you kindly : )
Damn, I'd love to come be your camera man. I love watching your adventures. I live vicariously through you lol
There is an excellent children's book series called Swallows and Amazons, and in the second book of the series, swallowdale, revolves around the aftermath of a sailing dinghy sinking due an accidental gybe crashing the boat on a rock.
Too bad they don't build dinghy's out of steel. : )
Such great books.
I've sailed on a Broads sailing cruiser that was sailed by the author, Arthur Ransom.
thanks for the tack/jive explanation boss. i wish you gentleman well.
🤔 I've heard of 'Jive Turkey'. But a 'Chichken Gybe' is new to me 😊😂😂😂
You are becoming a Ship Master. Bravo Zulu.
Cool explanation!
Thank you!
Have you thought about setting up some security cameras just to have some footage when something unexpected happens?
Was about to suggest that, would add security for when the boats left unattended as well and let you remotely monitor it.
Yeah, I have some but they are worse that a 3 year old with a camera.
Wyze cameras are really cheap, pretty solidly built, and take good 1080 video even in low light. Their app and cloud SUCK but after first initialization (requires Internet 👎) they just go on recording a loop to their SD card after the network connection goes away...
@@SVSeeker
The cardboard boat model and wind arrows are very help for us land lubbers. Thanks.
I think im one of your oldest still watching viewer. I started watching before you Even bought the Metal sheets for the outside Walls. Greetings from germany ❤️
Thank you my friend 👍👍
How about a "boom brake" type device to slow down the violent swinging?
Remind me at the first time I put up at Spinnaker on my CAL 24. The pull was so hard it was causing the boat to submarine and pulling the stern half out of the water. It was darn near impossible to control to keep in a straight line. I knew I didn’t dare let her turn sideways, and she pull it completely over. After a hectic few minutes, I was finally able to get up to the halyard and drop the spinnaker. Note to self, let’s not do that again!😂
I used the chicken gybe many times when racing a dinghy in heavy weather just treat it like you want to head up wind but you should sheet in the sails, this is not only safer but will encourage the boat to steer into the wind then ease them out once you pass thru the eye of the wind and assume your new course.
Yeah, we have a lot in common. : )
You don't prevent a surprise jibe, you tack or don't at all.
How’s everything going Doug. Hope I’m not bothering you.
Having fun I bet !
Loving it.
Probably due to the sail area, high COG with the heavy rig and the side mounted smaller twin keels. That's a big torque moment on the boat for it to counteract, with strong winds. Lowering some of the sail area might help? This is meant to be pretty easy on a junk rig.
Build some self-tailing electric winches !:)
No, I like the one winch solution for now. But I did design some DIY hydraulic winches when considering one winch for each line. www.svseeker.com/sv-seeker-2/sailboat/winches/
Hi Doug. You may want to think about setting up a German mainsheet system on the foresail and the main. The leeward sheet can be kept tight when there is the risk of a wind shift jibe. Tensioning the twin sheets under control gives you much better control of the sails and this can be done from the cockpit, Or in your case the wheel house if the sheets are led aft. The advantage in rough conditions is that even a reefed sail can be controlled by a light crew without anyone on deck. But, as you say it's your boat 😁work out a system that works for you. Sail Safe mate. Ant & Cid
Might be a bit tricky with a dual sheeted Chinese rig. I think we'll just figure out the Chinese thing.
As a non sailer love the model explanations. Would love the sailing, actually Ido love it only thing stopping me was being seasick all the time. After a couple of day puking 🤮 it kind of breaks you up… so just couch sailing 😂
I feel ya. I puked for days sailing out to Antigua. : ) I do much better now that I flush my sinuses and ears. But its all worth it.
Are you getting an alarm for being near boats underway, so you don't have to run watches like a military vessel?
Yes, radar will do that and so will AIS. But if you have 5 on board you have watches. Even single handed, you're best keeping a watch.
You need to practice basic maneuvers in the daytime to refine them. Nighttime keep it simple if you don’t know what you’re doing. Think you learned your lesson but more sail practice when you can to sharpen your execution when it counts.
Yes Mother
I don’t know anything about sailing but I am inspired by you to learn. Hella cool Doug.
Question: have you insured the boat? What did it appraise for?
No. We only got insurance so we could launch it, and that was only needed because the Directory of the Port retired two years before I was ready to launch and his replacement is afraid of everything. Never had an appraisal done. And I never plan to have insurance. Any more I think it's almost a waste. They will tell you when and where you can sail and will deny your claim anyway. I also think insurance makes to sloppy.
.....Totally agree,
I discovered the price of insurance as a teen 65 years ago and paid the price of mistakes from the savings. I can assure you I am well ahead.
Cheers,
Malcolm.@@SVSeeker
Sheet in fully and tight, keeping sheets tight into the jibe until you pass thru then let slack out and ease sheets
Single handed with three sails would be like a one legged man in an ass kicking contest.
Would it be possible to set up a couple security cameras that record the last 24 hours or so? It might not always be the most compelling video, but it could help capture the moments when stuff fits the fan.
I have them, and you are correct. It's lousy video. : )
Tighten the sheets as you gibe to center
its a lot of rope to pull manually, but youd think Doug would have invented something that tentions all the sheets, like a seat-belt or a ski/pass ratchet
Oh! Now you tell me. : )
So when are going to commit to doing some actual support and work with a reseacher?
I committed to that years ago? When are you going to learn anything about patience to follow the process? Or are you just another of instantaneous gratification idiots that bitches but never does shit?
Ware ship.
doug.. i am not positive about your junk riged sails but normal sails are air foils and do not get pushed they get sucked forward due to the low pressure in front of the sails just as wings generate lift.. thanks for the videos... ps wheres betsey
junk rig is just a fabric fixed-wing, it works exactly the same as a sail :)
@@cannaroe1213 it has no camber though or almost none which is why i suspect it is not.
@@mobiousenigma thats the common misconception about junks, the sail has camber if you look at the sail from the top down, because the battens touch the mast at a single point and bend with the wind, and of course any resistance to wind means high pressure in front of the sail, low pressure behind it, and from the winds perspective its two airfoils (and a mizzen), which together make the resulting foil. But even individually, the actual ideal airfoil is a real wing, see those weird wing-sail boats, but the next best thing is the junk, because its some clunky approximation of an ideal wing made out of bits of old hat, but it works way more efficiently than it really has any right to. Then at significantly lower efficiency level is sails, which arent compelled to make a foil shape if it werent for the right stitching held in the right place at the right apparent wind speed. The trade off is the much stronger/thicker mast, and batten weight, which tends to make the junk the heavier boat.
@@cannaroe1213 well thats that then and sails suck lol
@@mobiousenigma well, efficiency isn't always cool :P did you see those wing sail boats? So ugly, i'd be too embarassed to sail that! Only a pretentious billionaire. A bermuda sloop is probably the best set up, power-to-weight-to-fuss. More sails is always more cool. Junks are really cool, i started watching these videos when he welded the port half to the starboard half, and its so amazing and inspiring to see it under sail AT ALL
Yall been drinkin?
Certainly looks like it.
did the dragon survive?
Yes. She just needs a little cosmetic surgery.
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Wait till your wind changes 180 degrees , it's called a Chinese jibe ,it breaks boats ???
I talk about the Chinese Jib in this video. And it does not require a 180 degree shift in the wind.
About3:20 lol.
Wow ! A chicken gybe ? Thats a waste of time and your going to turn on your engine with that boat and get back on course? Come on sail that boat !👍🏻
Absolutely. Until you show us the Right way. Do you have sails on that arm chair?
Enclosed wheelhouse - not good no view out, no wind feel. Boom break - not going to stop the lines getting caught in the dragon. So called chicken jibe / tack, not going to have the speed to do it, have to start engine to push through
Oh, fuck that. I’ve sailed in an open cockpit. If that’s for you then bravo go your way. But don’t make up. stupid reasons why part of house is not the way to go..
I'm sorry, i don't speak Gybe.
remove all that stuff that junk that can fowl your sails, its going to keep happening
LOL Nope.
Tkzz for sharing.,.,,.What if you had a camera installed on the front of the house ready to go at the flick of a switch .,,you know SVseeker style,.,Maybe a GoPro with a magnet glued to the back of its case.,.,Peace
Maybe a couple dash cams that record all the time then pull off footage that you want when something happens
sooner or later you will break your sails this way...
Yes Mother
haha@@SVSeeker
No racer worth his salt would ware round.
Gybe or swim 😎
Like asking a racer about adding sail. The answer is always going to be more.
On racing yachts it's called a crash gybe for a reason. I have only accidentally gybed once on my 43ft yacht and was lucky only broke a few sail guides and strained my wrist as I tried to hold mainsheet (bad idea). I learnt to always use a preventer on main sail
Now explain breach
I believe cause is watet against rudder doing the same slamming the sails to opposit tack.
Confused seas
Yeah, I think the term is broach. And I have not yet been in a situation anywhere near that on Seeker or Charlies boat. We are conservative with the amount of sail up. But as a racer and there will be great stories. Basically the boat heels over so much the rudder looses it's ability to steer and a quick change of the sails is required.
Great explaination
I once had a co-worker who had a small sailboat (he called it an FJ - flying junior) and he wanted to teach me to sail. We were land bound and only had a large lake to sail on. I hated gybes and sometimes found myself in the water. One time, we went sailing but he forgot to lock down the rudder. We gybed, the boat went over and of course, the rudder went to the bottom in water that was about 150 ft deep. We were close to the dam. We had to be towed in and it took him about 4 months to get another rudder. I hate gybes.
My brother lost the rudder like that too, but our lake was warm and only 6 ft deep. : )
great explanation, thanks doug.
Glad you liked it
Many years ago I had a dinghy that I rigged a junk rig for, like a sampan. We were out on a local lake and having fun when the wind backed. So she gybed before I was ready. The wind gybed the top of the sail over to port but the bottom remained on the starboard side. The sail started climbing up the mast and the dinghy heeled, taking on water. At which my daughter asked: Daddy, are we going to drown now? Reading up on that later I learnt that some experts called it a Chinese gybe. Not fun.
LOL! Love your daughters response.
Another great video! Thank you again, not too often you get to meet the people you truly respect and admire. Cheers Frank
Thanks Frank. It was a pleasure to meet you. Happy Trails.