Thank you for this content! It's funny and informative! I already knew that while the original intention was for it to be in the DCAU, things changed and the end product while having multiple similarities was still just too inconsistent to fit into canon. By the way, what else will this "Will It Canon?" series cover? This video shows Justice League Doom, and I remember you guys replying to me in a comment that another subject was the Teen Titans, but any other cartoon series or DTV movies? Otherwise the only other things left would be comics and video game tie-ins.
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it. "Will It Canon?" will be covering a wide range of DC media, from movies to comics to games to books, all sorts of stuff. We'll be going over each DCAU tie-in comic series separately.
Dragon Tiger Sword Maybe Justice League Doom/Tower Of Babel has happened in the DC Animated Universe, in 2009... Yes, Ras Al Ghul who neutralized the Justice League and near the world is, for me, the Near Apocalypse of 0’9.
@@adonis7626 That's something that sounds quite plausible for explaining what the Near Apocalypse of '09 was. I've seen other fans make that same suggestion as well.
Superman 64 was basically a dream that Lex Luther had when he tried snorting kryptonite dust like if it was crack cocaine. The resulting effect knocked him out and put him in a special kind of high that kryptonian hippies usually went into, but it was too much for his human mind, and the after shock left him so insane that he went and made a memory extractor just to pull that dream out of his head and into a nearby Nintendo 64 game cartridge. That's when he got the brilliant idea to try to sell copies of it and make millions off of it, and that's how it came to be.
Gotta keep the PG rating, you know. Still, at least it's not Star Wars, which nowadays uses made up swears like "Karabast!" or real ones like... nah, I'm not gonna say the word.
There are two ways I like to put this in my head canon. 1: This is a mirror of something that happened in the DCAU timeline. Since there are infinite possibilities there will be other crime syndicate earths. 2: The DCAU was looked at by luthor, but since that league was down a Watch Tower and just got done with the Thanagarians he didn't think they were up to it.
I know it's two years old but I was thinking these guys are from the same same crime syndicate earth we saw from DCAU but more or less the west coast version of the crime syndicate a smaller branch on the same group that rose to power after the main team was defeated. Hal Jordan took John's place because he had some inter planetary stuff to do for a few days and hal who is another rooky to take his place on earth while he's away
@@Gundam_JAY Hal Jordan didn't become a lantern in the DCAU. The ring that was supposed to be his went to Kyle Reiner. The only time Hal appears in the flesh is during an episode about alternating timelines.
I wanna know how batman fits into the scooby universe I mean scooby has met different versions of batman and even met krypto recently even if they try to write off that movie it still exists
Its kinda funny to imagine that John took a break after Starcrossed and Hal took over for a bit and immediately got send to the shadow realm when John came back.
That's what I am thinking. Plus Martian Manhunter showing Staro could be interpreted as one of their first unrecorded missions in the DCAU. Remember that the Justice League were coming back from an unaired mission when the events of "The Savage Time" occurred. It's not that hard to reconcile "Crisis On Two Earths" and "Doom" with the rest of the Justice League/JLU continuity. Also, this might also be a contingency plan simulation run by Batman soon after the events of "Star Crossed".
I always considered this and Doom as part of the Young Justice cannon. Given, it's probably the art style, but it fits pretty damn well, since we never see before the YJ forming.
True. I remember bringing that up on the old IMDb forum and everyone swore it wasn't. Although I think "Doom" is definitely in Young Justice continuity because the Flash in that movie is Barry instead of Wally despite being voiced by Michael Rosenbaum.
Another funny line I like in the movie is "Johnny, stop vibrating!" Although I gotta say when Batman tells Owlman "You blinked" that's such a Conroy line. Woulda been so awesome to hear him say it. Or hear Hamil play the hero version of the Joker.
Oh, also, I kind of head cannon this movie into the Young Justice Universe. Since that show starts with an established league that we know little about (and uses the same character artist, like you said.)
@@clockstomper A lot of the designs are straight up ripped directly from the movie. Black Lightning appeared in season 2 with the exact same design as in this movie, for example.
I came to pretty much the same conclusion that you did. Something very much like CRISIS ON TWO EARTHS happened in the DCAU, but not exactly like it. But I consider the explanations for the expanded League membership, the new Watchtower with the JL teleporter, and Wonder Woman's invisible jet to be more or less what happened in the world of the JLU. I list it in my DCAU Timeline under the original title, WORLDS COLLIDE.
The way I look at it, Crisis on Two earths probably did happen in the DCAU, but in that universe it happened slightly differently. I consider every property that DC puts out to be within their multiverse, but I reckon Crisis on Two earths is very close to the DCAU and Earth 12 on the multiverse map
I actually really enjoy this movie, many of the “separate” DC animated movies hold a special place in my heart, I enjoy watching them every once and a while, especially this one and JL: Doom
As a thought experiment, it would be interesting to imagine if 'Crisis on two worlds' was made as and aired before JLU season 1. How would the story lines in the movie change aspects of the Unlimited Show. The first thing that comes to my mind is the arc of the Question and that he would not have the certainty that 'Luthor is Luthor in any world' because he would know better because of this movie. Another method of coming to the confrontation in Luthor's office would need to be established. Perhaps an episode where the Question brakes League protocol and contacts the Questions from the Lords world, and the Crisis world (in a Silence of Lambs locked up style). With our Question coming to the same conclusion of sacrificing himself to End Luthor with the logic "good, bad or raving mad - a Luthor will change the world." That would be just one way episodes would need to change to accommodate the original release plan.
Hey, everyone! Trying out this "premiere" feature. Stay tuned for the video on Sunday! (P.S. Enjoy staring at Superman's misaligned mouth(s) for a while.)
Considering the films you choose for this series, you should rename it "Why it ain't Canon". Edit: This comment is pretty dated in a post-Fatal Five world.
Unchallenged Mediocrity - Ha! Just going down the list of stuff everybody clambers for. What would you like to see us put under the canonicity microscope?
When I first heard James Woods as Owlman, I was blown away by his performance. Makes me wish it was Woods and Conroy going at it as Owlman vs Batman. Josh Keaton and Gina Torres are also one of my favorites.
I like to think that the Hal Jordan that popped up in the DCAU from an alternate timeline was the one from here. Not sure if that works, but I like it. (Which now makes me wish he looked like the one from Superfriends)
I always interpreted this movie as an alt world that parallel's something that happened in the dcau timeline, and gave us a (altered) glimpse into it. And I like to think this is connected to YJ.
Glad you guys are back. You inspired me to timeline my favorite cartoon (Steven Universe). It's arguably easier to timeline one show than eight, but it has its moments of hair pulling. Happy to have you back, keep making great content, because I love you...in a strictly platonic way
Comics, video games, crossovers, plus an upcoming movie. It's harder than I originally thought. I admire the amount of hard work you guys put in. Steven Universe is only 5 years old. The DCAU spans 1992-2017
@@mattiesavannahpahl9934 it's a great show. I highly recommend it. And thanks! I actually have been contemplating for a little while about whether or not to start doing RUclips. I really appreciate the support
One way i've always interpreted this movie is that similar events that took place in this universe also took place in the main dcau timeline, we just never saw them. Like this basically gave us a similar look into those events, albeit a bit of a different version of those. I think given all the things that line up with this, its safe to assume some sort of adventure like this (and potentially justice league doom) had happened to the main timeline, just out of our view
This has been bugging me that it was in the channel but I couldn’t watch until today. I’m so excited to see the video finally. It was good. Not dissapoint
I believe that the DCAU version actually happened, but off-screen. Unfortunately, we will never see this version because it would not make sense to make another movie with the same plot. Or they could do and launch a new trend: Reboots of animated movies.
a few things: YOUREE BACCCKK!!! need these videos. I need to here people talk about the dcau. Would it be possible to to will it canons for non dcau media? Example would be such as under the red hood fitting into young justice lastly: Public enemies?
If it where up to me, I'd just make it so that Hal and John Stewart end up having to partner up to save Hal's original partner, Kilowog, from an anti-alien taskforce, because Guy Gardner would've been their any other option for a human secret Green Lantern operative, and they both hate him because of how obnoxious he is (in a Lethal Weapon type of story). Personally, I just don't mind that John Stewart was the Green Lantern of the Timverse instead of Hal Jordan (Same goes for the odd Wally West name change). I get why they did that, and I actually ended up liking John Stewart; however, I still very much prefer Hal Jordan as the real Green Lantern, and I would still prefer for him to be put into the spotlight much more often.
What do you mean odd name change in regards to Wally West? Dcau Wally is very accurate to comic Wally. Really the only difference is working at a crime lab like Bardy otherwise he's much closer to Wally than Barry
@@liamlennon3316 Actually, comic bully is INFJ. But almost every other depiction of Wally is INTP. Barry Allen is the one that's INTP. And he's also currently being butchered and Wally's new run.
I don't know how or why this is only the first video of this series that I've watched, but now I've gotta check out the last one, and I'm looking forward to future episodes of this, and all the other videos in general! I say this every time you make a video, but each one just reminds me how much I love the DCAU, and this channel. Keep up the Bat-tastic work! Also, man, the design for the Imperiums in JL are cool, sorta generic, and weird at the same time! ;) -You called them "Imperiums" at 14:17.
Something that makes this particular installment interesting is that it was actually developed as a transition from JL to JLU (I think you mentioned that, idunno been a while). So it's interesting to wonder how they ended up deciding to put all the disqualifying changes in.
It would be great if there was a throwback reference to superman having a mullet in the Timmverse, just explained away with "it was the early 90's, people thought leifeld was cool, leave my hair out of it!". We don't get enough defensive superman
My thoughts on this movie are pretty much like you said near the end: Something -like it- happened. Then again, the "something like it" seemed to wind up being the Justice Lords arc, iirc, and two "alternate and evil teams" stories back to back woulda been kinda ridiculous.
It's not canon, 100%, however, it is fun to see how it would have bridged the gap between JL and JLU. We see the introduction of the invisible jet, the new Watchtower in production, and even the genesis of the idea for expanding the League, all things likely unchanged from the original script. It's probably best it isn't canon, though, as it works REALLY well on its own, and it might have been a bit derivative of "A Better World" from JL. Still fun to view it with the knowledge it was gonna be in the DCAU. Side Note: While watching it, was trying to figure out if Hal Jordan replaced John Stewart, then who replaced Hawkgirl in the script. Then I realized why she wasn't in it in the first place and broke my heart all over again. Honestly would have been interesting to see the League dealing with the aftermath of Starcrossed, honestly. That's the biggest advantage "Crisis On Two Earths" could have had in being set in the DCAU.
It seems this could/should have been canon. However, WB took great care (for whatever dumb reason) to be certain it was NOT. Looking back to the source material, I felt the first couple "Crisis" stories [Two Earths & Three Earths], back before it became a stunt "event" were good. It gave a chance to bring in seldom-seen characters and new twists on established ones (Hero Lex!) without warping continuity with "dream" or "imaginary" stories. Transferring that from its comics roots into an almost-DCAU movie seems appropriate; since they weren't able to place it as a bridge between JL and JLU as planned.
(11/23) Can't wait any longer @Watchtower Database. The suspense is killing me. I bet it's gonna be an epic video covering my favorite animated universe of all time with one my fav DCU original films. What a great deal you're giving us
@@dtfilmmaker those arent even really connected. Release order doesnt work for those so it would be really difficult to make a timeline for those. The X-Men, Spider-Man and X-Men 90s series comics are a shared universe. Iron Man, Fantastic Four and The Incredible Hulk is a shared universe. Thats what marvel wiki says anyway.
It makes sense in the DCAU continuity. It takes place between JL and JLU. Hawkgirl is gone. A new Watchtower is under construction. John Stewart probably is taking time off to heal, so the League hired Hal Jordan to be his temporary replacement.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but they called Flash “Barry” in this movie, in the JL show, the only Flash was Wally and he was given Barry’s origin, ergo there is no Barry Allen in the DCAU but there is in the movie, thus not canon. But I could be wrong
I loved this movie. It was pretty cool, and I liked seeing Hal. I especially love the art style. They basically use it with a little less detail in Young Justice. I really like the Bruce Timm universe art style, but the style of this movie, Justice League: Doom, and Young Justice is my absolute favorite. On a side note, I like to thank that the criminally underrated Green Lantern: The Animated Series, which had the awful misfortune of debuting not long after the Green Lantern film in 2011, is within the DCAU continuity. I swear, it looks like it has the exact same art style, just in 3D animation instead of the traditional 2D. It introduces the Red Lanterns and all of their prominent members like Atrocitus, Mogo, the Blue Lantern Saint Walker, and a whole lot of other awesome stuff. I think it even uses the Orange Lantern Larfleeze. I don't think any of it conflicts with anything in DCAU continuity, because 99.99% of it is in far off space. It's certainly good enough to count itself in the DCAU.
I would simply leave it at if it were canon, it would be reaaaaally redundant to have both this movie and the Justice Lords in the same continuity. People would have just spent all their time calling it out if it came out back when it was originally intended as it would have been a lot less time between the two. That extra time gap really helped distance it from direct comparison and let it stand on it's own.
I feel like "a very close but slightly different universe" explanation fits the best with this movie since you know, multiple universes being the main plot
I feel Crisis on Two Earths is as cannon as Batman: Arkham Asylum (that would be a cool Will It Cannon? episode). It ties more into Justice League: Doom (and maybe some other movies). But like you said, if you squint, you could see how it fits. I think it's personally more fun to do with Arkham Asylum, though, only because it has a lot of the same cast. I suppose this has a lot of the same cast too, but... I like Arkham Asylum more. Also, best Arkham game; it never gets old, and it's always super satisfying from start to finish (in my opinion) (sorry for all the parenthesis).
_ Manu _ nah Luthor never killed mercy Superman sealed doomsday in phantom zone because he was an unkillable Superman Cadmus clone and toy man is completely different
@@InfernoBlade64 Maybe the movie happened in a timeline where the Justice Lords didn't show up, considering at the point they did Doomsday was attacking.
I knew immediately that Superwoman wasn't Wonder Woman because she has brown eyes. I knew immediately that she was Mary Marvel when I saw Uncle Dudley. LOL
Why does nobody ever question the fact that in this movie Mary Batson aka superwoman is dating Owl Man she is a child in a super powered grown woman’s body and she’s dating a grown ass man that’s predatory and creepy as hell
Wow...this entire video really is just about version continuity. Presented in a “world weary” and critical tone, this comprehensive and well-informed essay is for a selected audience to be sure.
I look it at this the same way I look at the Schumacher Batman films, which were very clearly produced as sequels and came out at time when parallel universes wasn't so familiar to us, but now I see them as being in a separate universe where things are mildly different, *but predicated on two Schumacherverse films that we didn't see but share the main plot points with the first two films of the Burtonverse. Similarly, Batman the Animated Series was intended to follow up on the Burtonverse, but it just would not be practical or enjoyable for the series to keep Joker and Penguin dead, so you have to imagine some of these events happening in a bunch of different universes with subtle differences. Harvey Dent had a very different personality, but he still became the Two Face. This manner of looking at things makes the question of canonicity obsolete (though it can still be fun to talk about and speculate), as the timelines are occurring in their respective universes, and it only corrects the inappropriate assumption we tend to make that nothing can be thought to have existed or occurred if we did not explicitly see it on screen. In reality, each of us humans is in our own universe in our minds, as all the events play out through the filters of our values, biases and perspectives and are recalled through an imperfect and often actually false memory. So when someone delivers a piece of exposition, take it with a grain of salt rather than as gospel, because all you really know is they said it, not that they are a reliable witness, or that they have their facts straight or that they are honest.
We also got some JLU style Crime Syndicate figures back then, it also include a John Stewart's Power Ring. I don't have any sources that can confirm this but they might be scrapped designs for what they would look like in the orginal movie idea
For me, Crisis on Two Earths is canon, but not continuity. So, in other words, it takes place in an alternate universe like Justice Lords or Justice Guild. However, I would also say that a version of the events of the film did happen in continuity as well. So while the film itself isn't continuity because of two many details being different, something very much the events in it did happen in continuity.
Thank you for this content! It's funny and informative! I already knew that while the original intention was for it to be in the DCAU, things changed and the end product while having multiple similarities was still just too inconsistent to fit into canon. By the way, what else will this "Will It Canon?" series cover? This video shows Justice League Doom, and I remember you guys replying to me in a comment that another subject was the Teen Titans, but any other cartoon series or DTV movies? Otherwise the only other things left would be comics and video game tie-ins.
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it. "Will It Canon?" will be covering a wide range of DC media, from movies to comics to games to books, all sorts of stuff. We'll be going over each DCAU tie-in comic series separately.
@@mattiesavannahpahl9934 YES! Please all those you mentioned including Legion of Superheroes
Dragon Tiger Sword Maybe Justice League Doom/Tower Of Babel has happened in the DC Animated Universe, in 2009...
Yes, Ras Al Ghul who neutralized the Justice League and near the world is, for me, the Near Apocalypse of 0’9.
@@adonis7626 That's something that sounds quite plausible for explaining what the Near Apocalypse of '09 was. I've seen other fans make that same suggestion as well.
@@dcauwatchtower Wait, since Hal is a DCAU thing thanks to Vs. Fatal Five, could this be reconsidered? Since that was the sticking point?
Now I have a real question WHEN DOES SUPEEMAN 64 TAKEPLACE
Also, Batman Vengeance, and Rise of Sin Tzu
Superman 64 was basically a dream that Lex Luther had when he tried snorting kryptonite dust like if it was crack cocaine. The resulting effect knocked him out and put him in a special kind of high that kryptonian hippies usually went into, but it was too much for his human mind, and the after shock left him so insane that he went and made a memory extractor just to pull that dream out of his head and into a nearby Nintendo 64 game cartridge. That's when he got the brilliant idea to try to sell copies of it and make millions off of it, and that's how it came to be.
Kangdide it was a bad dream
I want the Answer to this now for real
In the Sonic '06 timeline, obviously. The obsession with collecting rings makes it obvious.
*IT'S LEX FLIPPIN' LUTHOR!*
iT’s LeX fLiPpIn’ LuThOr
Actually yeah
Gotta keep the PG rating, you know. Still, at least it's not Star Wars, which nowadays uses made up swears like "Karabast!" or real ones like... nah, I'm not gonna say the word.
@@michaelandreipalon359 fictional swears have been a thing in Star Wars for a while, like pre-Disney era(thank you Legends material and SW:TCW)
There are two ways I like to put this in my head canon.
1: This is a mirror of something that happened in the DCAU timeline. Since there are infinite possibilities there will be other crime syndicate earths.
2: The DCAU was looked at by luthor, but since that league was down a Watch Tower and just got done with the Thanagarians he didn't think they were up to it.
I know it's two years old but I was thinking these guys are from the same same crime syndicate earth we saw from DCAU but more or less the west coast version of the crime syndicate a smaller branch on the same group that rose to power after the main team was defeated.
Hal Jordan took John's place because he had some inter planetary stuff to do for a few days and hal who is another rooky to take his place on earth while he's away
@@Gundam_JAY Hal Jordan didn't become a lantern in the DCAU. The ring that was supposed to be his went to Kyle Reiner. The only time Hal appears in the flesh is during an episode about alternating timelines.
@@bigphil2695 He has a statue in Fatal Five, so he does *eventually* become a GL.
@@Gundam_JAY we never saw a crime syndicate in the dcau.
@@driveasandwich6734Maybe Hal is Earth's Killowog
I think my favorite part about this movie is James Woods as Owl man
Yeah, he had a great performance!
Worst part was the other other Baldwin’s Batman
Same
My favorite part is when batman leaves him to die
"Doesn't matter" super epic
*It’s Lex flipping Luthor*
When multiple people copy the same comment trying to get attention and beg for top comment...
Timothy Trex3 bruh I just saw it in the video and thought it was funny chill lmao
One day I would like to see a "Will it canon?" outside of DCAU like Dragon Ball or Scooby Doo or whatever
Is Scooby Doo Canon?
Why not go full crazy and do it for the 90s X-Men cartoon or Freakazoid!
Scooby-Doo is definitely cannon
I wanna know how batman fits into the scooby universe I mean scooby has met different versions of batman and even met krypto recently even if they try to write off that movie it still exists
"Is Teen Titans in the Same Universe as The Batman 2004 Cartoon?" could be interesting.
I was waiting for Aquaman to respond “That remains to be seen!” But he never did
Its kinda funny to imagine that John took a break after Starcrossed and Hal took over for a bit and immediately got send to the shadow realm when John came back.
That's what I am thinking. Plus Martian Manhunter showing Staro could be interpreted as one of their first unrecorded missions in the DCAU. Remember that the Justice League were coming back from an unaired mission when the events of "The Savage Time" occurred. It's not that hard to reconcile "Crisis On Two Earths" and "Doom" with the rest of the Justice League/JLU continuity. Also, this might also be a contingency plan simulation run by Batman soon after the events of "Star Crossed".
Maybe Hal himself said man go breath since the Guardians allowed
I always considered this and Doom as part of the Young Justice cannon. Given, it's probably the art style, but it fits pretty damn well, since we never see before the YJ forming.
True. I remember bringing that up on the old IMDb forum and everyone swore it wasn't. Although I think "Doom" is definitely in Young Justice continuity because the Flash in that movie is Barry instead of Wally despite being voiced by Michael Rosenbaum.
I always thought that too
Problem with Doom is that Vandal Savage in that movie is a different character than YJ Vandal
@@caliph95 Also Cyborg
@@caliph95 just say that was either a clone or a son named vandal savage jr.
Owl Man being the final villain, and Batman facing him at the end thematically would've fit the DCAU sooooo well
Not canon to the dcau, but it's a damn good movie. And it's decent enough to be dcau "ajacent".
Another funny line I like in the movie is "Johnny, stop vibrating!" Although I gotta say when Batman tells Owlman "You blinked" that's such a Conroy line. Woulda been so awesome to hear him say it. Or hear Hamil play the hero version of the Joker.
Agreed, the Batman monologue at the end would be awesome to hear Conroy speak.
Oh, also, I kind of head cannon this movie into the Young Justice Universe. Since that show starts with an established league that we know little about (and uses the same character artist, like you said.)
@@clockstomper
A lot of the designs are straight up ripped directly from the movie. Black Lightning appeared in season 2 with the exact same design as in this movie, for example.
I came to pretty much the same conclusion that you did. Something very much like CRISIS ON TWO EARTHS happened in the DCAU, but not exactly like it. But I consider the explanations for the expanded League membership, the new Watchtower with the JL teleporter, and Wonder Woman's invisible jet to be more or less what happened in the world of the JLU. I list it in my DCAU Timeline under the original title, WORLDS COLLIDE.
The way I look at it, Crisis on Two earths probably did happen in the DCAU, but in that universe it happened slightly differently.
I consider every property that DC puts out to be within their multiverse, but I reckon Crisis on Two earths is very close to the DCAU and Earth 12 on the multiverse map
"It doesn't matter."
nothing matters.
@woooudo tell that to owlman.
I actually really enjoy this movie, many of the “separate” DC animated movies hold a special place in my heart, I enjoy watching them every once and a while, especially this one and JL: Doom
Same
legit better than the new 52 movies.
I really wish they used this artstyle for those movies.
Shame they peaked at The Flashpoint Paradox. A lot of the movies released after it just don't give the right amount of justice for some reason.
@@michaelandreipalon359 idk I really enjoyed JL: War and JL vs Teen Titans, Apokolips War was fun but only because they made it so over the top
The biggest thing that blew my mind is that a video store stills exists
I think it is in the young justice continuity because of the character designs
Yeah, it does look like the same character designs.
Justice League Doom seems to be it's sequel.
@@onyxt3589Yeah appears to be
So glad you guys are back.
Not getting my dose of DCAU nerdiness is hard...
As a thought experiment, it would be interesting to imagine if 'Crisis on two worlds' was made as and aired before JLU season 1. How would the story lines in the movie change aspects of the Unlimited Show. The first thing that comes to my mind is the arc of the Question and that he would not have the certainty that 'Luthor is Luthor in any world' because he would know better because of this movie. Another method of coming to the confrontation in Luthor's office would need to be established. Perhaps an episode where the Question brakes League protocol and contacts the Questions from the Lords world, and the Crisis world (in a Silence of Lambs locked up style). With our Question coming to the same conclusion of sacrificing himself to End Luthor with the logic "good, bad or raving mad - a Luthor will change the world." That would be just one way episodes would need to change to accommodate the original release plan.
Or an evil Question
@@lewisaino Answer
Hey, everyone! Trying out this "premiere" feature. Stay tuned for the video on Sunday! (P.S. Enjoy staring at Superman's misaligned mouth(s) for a while.)
Considering the films you choose for this series, you should rename it "Why it ain't Canon".
Edit: This comment is pretty dated in a post-Fatal Five world.
Unchallenged Mediocrity - Ha! Just going down the list of stuff everybody clambers for. What would you like to see us put under the canonicity microscope?
Perhaps the 2009 Wonder Woman? 😏
Unchallenged Mediocrity - You just wanting to perpetuate the show’s stereotype? 😉
I'm just trying to keep the creative juice flowing! 😁
When I first heard James Woods as Owlman, I was blown away by his performance. Makes me wish it was Woods and Conroy going at it as Owlman vs Batman. Josh Keaton and Gina Torres are also one of my favorites.
i care about zeta project
914ThePro genuine question what is the Zeta Project and how does it fit into the DCAU
Why
It’s Lex *Flipping* Luthor
I like to think that the Hal Jordan that popped up in the DCAU from an alternate timeline was the one from here. Not sure if that works, but I like it. (Which now makes me wish he looked like the one from Superfriends)
Makes sense considering Owlman and his comments
I always interpreted this movie as an alt world that parallel's something that happened in the dcau timeline, and gave us a (altered) glimpse into it.
And I like to think this is connected to YJ.
Maybe, in that world Hal is John's back up instead of the other way around. John needed time off, Kyle was on Oa so they picked Hal.
Glad you guys are back. You inspired me to timeline my favorite cartoon (Steven Universe). It's arguably easier to timeline one show than eight, but it has its moments of hair pulling. Happy to have you back, keep making great content, because I love you...in a strictly platonic way
Comics, video games, crossovers, plus an upcoming movie. It's harder than I originally thought. I admire the amount of hard work you guys put in. Steven Universe is only 5 years old. The DCAU spans 1992-2017
@@mattiesavannahpahl9934 it's a great show. I highly recommend it. And thanks! I actually have been contemplating for a little while about whether or not to start doing RUclips. I really appreciate the support
The Light games of SU sure are an interesting bunch to look at.
Clancy Brown: “BURN!”
Dc should make the original Worlds Collide into an animated movie
Or a comic, if a movie can't give it justice nowadays.
One way i've always interpreted this movie is that similar events that took place in this universe also took place in the main dcau timeline, we just never saw them. Like this basically gave us a similar look into those events, albeit a bit of a different version of those. I think given all the things that line up with this, its safe to assume some sort of adventure like this (and potentially justice league doom) had happened to the main timeline, just out of our view
In Crisis On 2 Earths The Flash is Wally West but in Justice League Doom The Flash is Barry Allen WHAT!
This has been bugging me that it was in the channel but I couldn’t watch until today. I’m so excited to see the video finally. It was good. Not dissapoint
I believe that the DCAU version actually happened, but off-screen. Unfortunately, we will never see this version because it would not make sense to make another movie with the same plot. Or they could do and launch a new trend: Reboots of animated movies.
a few things: YOUREE BACCCKK!!! need these videos. I need to here people talk about the dcau.
Would it be possible to to will it canons for non dcau media? Example would be such as under the red hood fitting into young justice
lastly: Public enemies?
Public Enemies and Darkseid Movie
If it where up to me, I'd just make it so that Hal and John Stewart end up having to partner up to save Hal's original partner, Kilowog, from an anti-alien taskforce, because Guy Gardner would've been their any other option for a human secret Green Lantern operative, and they both hate him because of how obnoxious he is (in a Lethal Weapon type of story).
Personally, I just don't mind that John Stewart was the Green Lantern of the Timverse instead of Hal Jordan (Same goes for the odd Wally West name change). I get why they did that, and I actually ended up liking John Stewart; however, I still very much prefer Hal Jordan as the real Green Lantern, and I would still prefer for him to be put into the spotlight much more often.
I had the idea that Crisis on 2 Earths was not tied since John didn't appear.
What do you mean odd name change in regards to Wally West?
Dcau Wally is very accurate to comic Wally. Really the only difference is working at a crime lab like Bardy otherwise he's much closer to Wally than Barry
@@liamlennon3316 Actually, comic bully is INFJ. But almost every other depiction of Wally is INTP. Barry Allen is the one that's INTP. And he's also currently being butchered and Wally's new run.
I always saw this film as being up to the audience on whether or not it’s canon, somethings fit perfectly while others are completely different.
This is one of my favorite will it canons, if you did make one on justice league doom I’d 100% watch it!
I don't know how or why this is only the first video of this series that I've watched, but now I've gotta check out the last one, and I'm looking forward to future episodes of this, and all the other videos in general! I say this every time you make a video, but each one just reminds me how much I love the DCAU, and this channel. Keep up the Bat-tastic work!
Also, man, the design for the Imperiums in JL are cool, sorta generic, and weird at the same time!
;)
-You called them "Imperiums" at 14:17.
@@mattiesavannahpahl9934 Oooh, sounded like he said "Imperium soldiers".
9:54 BURN
Something that makes this particular installment interesting is that it was actually developed as a transition from JL to JLU (I think you mentioned that, idunno been a while). So it's interesting to wonder how they ended up deciding to put all the disqualifying changes in.
I absolutely adore Phil Barassa's art style!
It’s cool asf to imagine dcau Batman fighting owl man and sending him off like that
It would be great if there was a throwback reference to superman having a mullet in the Timmverse, just explained away with "it was the early 90's, people thought leifeld was cool, leave my hair out of it!". We don't get enough defensive superman
My thoughts on this movie are pretty much like you said near the end: Something -like it- happened. Then again, the "something like it" seemed to wind up being the Justice Lords arc, iirc, and two "alternate and evil teams" stories back to back woulda been kinda ridiculous.
Now that the og script has been released, we gotta get a sequel to this video!
And you shall! Already in the works 🫡
It's not canon, 100%, however, it is fun to see how it would have bridged the gap between JL and JLU. We see the introduction of the invisible jet, the new Watchtower in production, and even the genesis of the idea for expanding the League, all things likely unchanged from the original script. It's probably best it isn't canon, though, as it works REALLY well on its own, and it might have been a bit derivative of "A Better World" from JL. Still fun to view it with the knowledge it was gonna be in the DCAU.
Side Note: While watching it, was trying to figure out if Hal Jordan replaced John Stewart, then who replaced Hawkgirl in the script. Then I realized why she wasn't in it in the first place and broke my heart all over again. Honestly would have been interesting to see the League dealing with the aftermath of Starcrossed, honestly. That's the biggest advantage "Crisis On Two Earths" could have had in being set in the DCAU.
If a better world was another episode entitely than this film would've been made.
Mayne that would be the starro or despero episode
Yay! You guys are back. I can’t wait for more.
I’m pretty excited for your guys’s thoughts on this one. I loved the last “canon” episode you did on Brainiac Attacks.
1:09 I care, sir
I CARE
I love them bringing back the Flash voice actor from Superman the animated series !
It seems this could/should have been canon. However, WB took great care (for whatever dumb reason) to be certain it was NOT.
Looking back to the source material, I felt the first couple "Crisis" stories [Two Earths & Three Earths], back before it became a stunt "event" were good. It gave a chance to bring in seldom-seen characters and new twists on established ones (Hero Lex!) without warping continuity with "dream" or "imaginary" stories.
Transferring that from its comics roots into an almost-DCAU movie seems appropriate; since they weren't able to place it as a bridge between JL and JLU as planned.
Really looking forward to this, though I don't think it will, I will enjoy listening as always
What if the Worlds collide film would’ve ended the Timmverse the nice way?
(11/23) Can't wait any longer @Watchtower Database. The suspense is killing me. I bet it's gonna be an epic video covering my favorite animated universe of all time with one my fav DCU original films. What a great deal you're giving us
Favourite animated universe? What other animated universe is there that can compete?
@@probot6515 There is the 90s Marvel shows, but we both know that doesn't compete at all
@@dtfilmmaker those arent even really connected. Release order doesnt work for those so it would be really difficult to make a timeline for those. The X-Men, Spider-Man and X-Men 90s series comics are a shared universe. Iron Man, Fantastic Four and The Incredible Hulk is a shared universe. Thats what marvel wiki says anyway.
Don’t tell us it’ll be difficult to make a timeline...don’t use that reverse psychology...
@@dcauwatchtower that wasn't my intention... hehe
This was perfect 15:10 👌
On the other Earth, instead of Billy getting the powers from the Wizard, it is Mary. She isn't a Kryptonian, she is just the human sister of Billy.
What did you say about zeta project it’s my fave lol
Considering "Justice League vs. The Fatal Five" the point about Hal Jordan may not be as important now.
Yep, this video is decently old. Check out our “Will It Canon?” on JLvsF5!
@@dcauwatchtower Thank you for the reply!
I remember seeing this movie at a Safeway DVD rental. Remember those? Me either!
(Nov. 23, 2018) Calling it now, this'll be awesome.
It makes sense in the DCAU continuity. It takes place between JL and JLU. Hawkgirl is gone. A new Watchtower is under construction. John Stewart probably is taking time off to heal, so the League hired Hal Jordan to be his temporary replacement.
I always thought that Hal Jordan was in deep space somewhere else in the universe during the justice league series.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but they called Flash “Barry” in this movie, in the JL show, the only Flash was Wally and he was given Barry’s origin, ergo there is no Barry Allen in the DCAU but there is in the movie, thus not canon. But I could be wrong
He's Wally, actually.
I loved this movie. It was pretty cool, and I liked seeing Hal. I especially love the art style. They basically use it with a little less detail in Young Justice. I really like the Bruce Timm universe art style, but the style of this movie, Justice League: Doom, and Young Justice is my absolute favorite. On a side note, I like to thank that the criminally underrated Green Lantern: The Animated Series, which had the awful misfortune of debuting not long after the Green Lantern film in 2011, is within the DCAU continuity. I swear, it looks like it has the exact same art style, just in 3D animation instead of the traditional 2D. It introduces the Red Lanterns and all of their prominent members like Atrocitus, Mogo, the Blue Lantern Saint Walker, and a whole lot of other awesome stuff. I think it even uses the Orange Lantern Larfleeze. I don't think any of it conflicts with anything in DCAU continuity, because 99.99% of it is in far off space. It's certainly good enough to count itself in the DCAU.
It’s on our list to take a look at! But yeah it’s 100% Bruce Timm style.
I would simply leave it at if it were canon, it would be reaaaaally redundant to have both this movie and the Justice Lords in the same continuity. People would have just spent all their time calling it out if it came out back when it was originally intended as it would have been a lot less time between the two. That extra time gap really helped distance it from direct comparison and let it stand on it's own.
I feel like "a very close but slightly different universe" explanation fits the best with this movie since you know, multiple universes being the main plot
Oh how I've missed these videos
So, if I call them the Imperium three times you show up like Candyman? Cool.
I just watched this and JL doom. I feel like the second one works better. Maybe that’s canon?
OMG OMG I've been waiting for this since it was announced.
Damn I was cringe
I feel Crisis on Two Earths is as cannon as Batman: Arkham Asylum (that would be a cool Will It Cannon? episode). It ties more into Justice League: Doom (and maybe some other movies). But like you said, if you squint, you could see how it fits. I think it's personally more fun to do with Arkham Asylum, though, only because it has a lot of the same cast. I suppose this has a lot of the same cast too, but... I like Arkham Asylum more. Also, best Arkham game; it never gets old, and it's always super satisfying from start to finish (in my opinion) (sorry for all the parenthesis).
"Superman Doomsday" will it canon?
Good video guys
_ Manu _ nah Luthor never killed mercy Superman sealed doomsday in phantom zone because he was an unkillable Superman Cadmus clone and toy man is completely different
@@InfernoBlade64 Maybe the movie happened in a timeline where the Justice Lords didn't show up, considering at the point they did Doomsday was attacking.
I knew immediately that Superwoman wasn't Wonder Woman because she has brown eyes. I knew immediately that she was Mary Marvel when I saw Uncle Dudley. LOL
Me when world is collide
Why does nobody ever question the fact that in this movie Mary Batson aka superwoman is dating Owl Man she is a child in a super powered grown woman’s body and she’s dating a grown ass man that’s predatory and creepy as hell
It’s never stated that’s actually what’s going on here, but if true that is WILD.
Pretty sure that basically also happened to Mary in Young Justice. At least, it's implied that she got did adult stuff in her adult body
Honestly, with how popular the mutliverse genre has become, this has to be the most underrated multiverse movie out there.
5:32 green lantern 3d series is part of tim verse as well as the verse of young justice separately
Bet you ten bucks Shaggy could beat the entire Crime Syndicate with one finger
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Thanks for favoriting my comment. I’m a big fan of ur channel and hope u keep doing content
But can he defeat God Cena?
Justice lords vs crime syndicate, GO!
This is great. I've seen Crisis on 2 Earths a lot of times and just got through Justice League DCAU for first time (and am just starting JLU).
88 minutes anyone ?
2021 (3 years later): don’t know what I meant by that 🤷🏽♂️
2024 (another 3 years) later: Still don't know what i meant 🤷🏽♂️
Wow...this entire video really is just about version continuity. Presented in a “world weary” and critical tone, this comprehensive and well-informed essay is for a selected audience to be sure.
Oh befinitely
that's on hell of a specific series I like it
8:10 for research purposes whos the lady in all pink I’m very curious in her backstory I swear
One of the best dc animated movies, very underrated!
(Nov. 26, 2018) That. That was beautiful. And most definitely worth the wait.
Are you not subscribed?! Your page says you ain’t but you always know when we’ve got new videos! Shame... ;)
WHAT?! RUclips being RUclips, I guess.
But, know that I am Subscribed and that I know your upload sched. by heart. (Kinda. Haha.)
I knew you were one of the good ones.
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I look it at this the same way I look at the Schumacher Batman films, which were very clearly produced as sequels and came out at time when parallel universes wasn't so familiar to us, but now I see them as being in a separate universe where things are mildly different, *but predicated on two Schumacherverse films that we didn't see but share the main plot points with the first two films of the Burtonverse. Similarly, Batman the Animated Series was intended to follow up on the Burtonverse, but it just would not be practical or enjoyable for the series to keep Joker and Penguin dead, so you have to imagine some of these events happening in a bunch of different universes with subtle differences. Harvey Dent had a very different personality, but he still became the Two Face. This manner of looking at things makes the question of canonicity obsolete (though it can still be fun to talk about and speculate), as the timelines are occurring in their respective universes, and it only corrects the inappropriate assumption we tend to make that nothing can be thought to have existed or occurred if we did not explicitly see it on screen. In reality, each of us humans is in our own universe in our minds, as all the events play out through the filters of our values, biases and perspectives and are recalled through an imperfect and often actually false memory. So when someone delivers a piece of exposition, take it with a grain of salt rather than as gospel, because all you really know is they said it, not that they are a reliable witness, or that they have their facts straight or that they are honest.
Will it canon more like will it turn me insane
“That is the question.”
When I found that cryme syndicate had a green lantern, I knew it was already not canon
I had no idea this was supposed to be in the DCAU at first!
Yes! Finally!
9:35
AYYYYYYYY THAT’S TF PRIME RATCHET’S VOICE ACTOR!
Can't Wait For The Update With The Leaked Script
We also got some JLU style Crime Syndicate figures back then, it also include a John Stewart's Power Ring. I don't have any sources that can confirm this but they might be scrapped designs for what they would look like in the orginal movie idea
They're not 😁 But I do like those figures!
For me, Crisis on Two Earths is canon, but not continuity. So, in other words, it takes place in an alternate universe like Justice Lords or Justice Guild. However, I would also say that a version of the events of the film did happen in continuity as well. So while the film itself isn't continuity because of two many details being different, something very much the events in it did happen in continuity.
Oops, too many, not two many.
9:21 to be fair Lex is wearing a golden mech armour so wouldn’t anyone be scared?
My take is that a version of the story definitely took place between JL and JLU.
We missed you guys, Also that cut to burn 😂😂