Pultec Shootout (Warm Audio EQPWA Vs Klark Teknik EQPKT) Shred Shed
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- We shot out a few Pultec clones on Mono tracks.
Drums 0:24
Electric guitar 1:20
Bass Guitar(distorted) 2:18
Acoustic Guitar 3:13
Males Vocals 4:46
Full Mixes 7:33
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Klark's biggest sin is that they didn't make it blue...
I would be inclined to agree but actually i'm loving the silver finish !
@@CurtisGabrielMusic cause it's not a blue copy
@@vladlabyrinth6335 silver copy is solid state but the klark is not.
take out the knobs paint them blue and they WILL sound better !
The mastering pultecs are silver like the klark teknik.
I have both and I can reach the same sound with any of them. The potentiometers doesnt react the same on the Klark. If in the Warm the bass is in 3 for example, to obtain the same result with the Klark may be it has to be in 5
Same here, I totally agree with you
Thats a really handy comment as I did wonder. thanks.
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Alberto Sierra exactly
Thanks for the comment!
The Warm sounds more musical to me, especially on the electric guitar.
The warm audio seems to sound a lot better, I am just not sure if it is because it adds more to the sound or because it is like 2db louder on every single example? xD
Or 3 times more $$$ but still KT is DOA and just ... whats that word ... SHIT!
@@carljohnson9096 is it really that bad?
I don’t really like a studio purchase to come down to cost differences but I went ahead and ordered a pair of Klarks...in my mind I can always change out the tubes for some Mullards or NOS Russians and have money left over.
The tubes in these were stock. I have heard from friends that Genelex Gold Lion tubes really do a number for the Klarks.
I think I prefer the WA on anything except for bass with the proposed settings. The KT sounded kinda boxy for me on the vocals.
Good vid! Although even when these are off they still run through the tubes, so if they are in series the last one will sound different because of that. All depends on your setup of course
Klark Have more Pultec feeling in low and mid: Creamy and boomy/ Warm audio is too harsh on high Frequency and too clean on low. I prefer Klark
I like both
I heard the same thing. The warm is a bit louder so I turned up the volume a bit when the klark unit cam on and it sound much warmer
It's that this guy ain't boost the highs this I don't know why ppl do reviews on gear an don't know what they doing he got ppl thinking the warm is harsh when he cut the highs out smh go check out a channel call raw technique studios he show the real
Warm justifies the price difference on vocals alone.
Klark is $300 at Sweetwater, warm is $700. Warm sounds better but does it sound $400 better?
That is what I am saying ! Is it worth that much more. Just swap out your tubes to get a better sound out of it.
Warm Cost more for a reason. Better parts insides.
This was an eye-opening video, in that the naked track sounded like what I'd want as a keeper, and the FX boxes were like throwing a blanket over the speaker. Thanks for this: a really excellent demonstration.
Lows are boosted too much. IMO , I think thats the settings more than the units,,but who knows. :)
Wow, that's exactly what I was thinking as well! I guess we now know each unit can cut out the top end just fine 🙂
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Very nice test, but I think than the klark it needs more boost on the basses frequencies for real test (Klark for the price is good), thanks for sharing!!!
I can hear the differences but honestly almost everything in this examples sounds better without the EQ...if I have to decide based on this audios I preffer to save my money for anything else or buy another EQ, but I guess in this case it´s just the EQ settings and not the gear
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I don’t usually see people get this upset over gear. That’s a little bit over the top. I mean really it’s just cause people want more knobs.
@mister poopies Hey poopies, chill. Maybe post a video so everyone can see how awesome you are?
Daniel I agree bro , I thought I was the only one .. it’s probably his settings on these units .. they both sound like their compressing and not lively’n up the shit especially on vocals ..
EQ settings are not matched. And totally agree with Daniel. But thanks for the video anyways.
Just came across this video while looking into some EQs and totally agree that I didn’t think the settings worked well at all compared with the dry audio.
In this & other demos the Klark just seems to be a lot more subdued in effect, in stark contrast (to me) to the WA usually sounding very bold & upfront, even bringing out more harmonic content... I do hear some of that coming from the KT, but nowhere near as much. I was hoping the KT would impress me like the WA did... that cant be the Cinemag transformer making the diff can it??
Yup, this is pretty much the same way I'm hearing it too. Makes sense for the price difference. And yes, the WA has better components.
Warm Audio for me!
I believe the warm audio is increasing the level, is very hard to do a critique listening, you know, “the louder the better”
The Warm Audio sounded better on almost everything but I’m going to buy some Klarks. I’m still running on 2 AudioArts 4100 parametric eqs.
I actually like them both for different reasons. I think the Warm audio is the work horse that improved the sound of most of the material that went through it, the Klark seems to excel on acoustic guitar sounds. I would use a pair of WA EQP's on a mixbuss. I think you could use a pair of the KT EQP's on the mixbuss if you needed a cleaner, lighter sound. I'll take two WA EQP's and a KT EQP's asap.
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You all realize both boxes are effecting each other because the bypass of the "Pultec" circuit still goes through the tube output driver card and output transformer. I.E. While the KT is bypass, you are still hear it AND it's coloration is being driven further by the Warm Audio. Just to be clear, what you are hearing is both units in this video.
thats not how the routing was done
He would have to be a complete moron to set this up in series. Why on Earth would you think he did this? It would be stupid byond belief etc.etc. Maybe you should have another listen with headphones to see that it is done with 2 discreet lines. Just to be clear what you are hearing here. (and maybe read his responses to questions like this).
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If you like the KT or the Warm seems to be a matter of taste but in the end I have the feeling they just colour the sound but not improve it. The untreated signals sound better to me in all examples.
I was listening and was thinking the same however the treated signal will probably sit in a mix better as the harshness was removed, which i guess is the goal.
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I would prefer the Warm on distorted guitar. I don't think you can get the same result on that (subjectively). Otherwise, just a matter of settings, I guess
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In my small studio i used Shure Beta 58, Neumann U87 and AKG 414 for rock vocals, depending on the singer and band recording options.... Now i recently tried my old Neumann Gefell Tube mic with a M8 capsule (M7 was too expensive) with the EQP-KT and KTs LA-2 clone... The latter is really better than my old UREI LA-4, which takes some presence when compressing harder., and the EQP-KT is correcting the lacking presence and bass response quite good. I would say both of those machines are very easy to handle and do not destroy the original sound, instead enhancing vocals to be used in the mix without or with less further plug-in procession. Especially the Beta58 with the compressor/limiter plus the "Pultec" sounds amazingly nice when you record under live/rehearsal conditions with loud instruments playing that would affect the vocals severely if you use large condensers. In other words, the difference between recording with those tube gear, compared to only (chap?) standard gear and plug ins, is the possibility to make the vocals come thru better, even when they are very low in the mix. And they still sound rich and warm and embedded, instead of cutting through the mix like a too sharp knife.
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Warm audio seems better on drums , especially the mid to high
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Warm audio sounded like a pultec to me. It gave everything body and shoved it right in your face. With color and clarity. Thats an easy decision. For those of you who prefer the klark please comment and explain what it is you're exactly hearing that is attractive.
the klar has 2 or 3db less, that's why you don't notice much sharpness, look at the potentiometer.
@@franciscoa.sorianoperez7859 I went ahead and bought a pair of both . . . The klarks are nicer in person and can be used on almost all drums . . . Gets this weird thing happening with male vocals especially in rap so for vocals I go for the warm but they are both much better in person !
@@nicholasflores8007 Plus, I think setting both units exactly the same is a flawed test. They most likely aren't going to have the same dial sweeps, and in practical use, you're going dial in each unit to sound the best according to that unit and how it responds to the source material and how it sits in the mix...either sweetening or to accomplish a specific utility.
@@nicholasflores8007 you got too much money bro?
Very curious , pultec don't have harsh like WA, pultec is very musical like KT, I have pultec on my mix buss and I looking for new eq from my drums buss and KT is my election. good luck with your WA.
I’m getting a Klark teknik!
Thank you for this very helpful video...I have the klark but you just made me realize that I need one of those warms too!
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They are both astonishing and more similar than I thought. I think the Klark is less accurate and introduces too much distortion in the low-end.
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Am I the only one who thought every single example sounded better before either pultec clone was engaged? These things suck
It's showing the difference between 2 units that do the "same" thing, with the same settings. (not how they improve a mix or whatever you think it is about). yes.
I think both are very good an clear... with a good neuman, soyus or warm, antilope micro it will sound very cool!
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Can anyone put a link to upgrade the tubes to a higher spec for the klark Teknik ? Great comparison. Nice video 🫡
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It’s just so unbelievable to me that anyone would set two units for comparison by setting the knob to the number instead setting them by ear.
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Why the bandwidth \ bell is zo low dealt in. That's not handy because that the frequentie almost that what you cut or boost always wrong. the klark sounds less FX more natural. Wa sounds more as a tone box. But what's in your sound you never get out. Thus the klark is more useful. But in this example the too are link together TK -> WA so the WA gets the warmte from the KT.
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The Warm Audio unit had more clarity. I felt things getting muddy with the Klark Teknik.
The warm sounded more refined and punchier. I do the the value in the smoothness of the klark too. I would use the warm on more sources but the Klark has it's own vibe too. Cheers!
Been loving your comparisons with all this WA gear, this one though I think is a bit flawed. If I'm not mistaken that switch is only bypassing the EQ, which would mean your source audio is still being modified by the tubes in both units at all times, no?
That's what I was wondering too. The source seems to be passing through the tubes of both units at all times...only bypassing the eq on each unit. The tubes will color the sound regardless of eq. The signal needs to be split and sent through one unit at a time. Or from your daw, duplicate the tracks, send a track to each, then solo each one individually.
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I like the WA very much.
Can you get closer to the WARM by increasing the boost on the Klark ?
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Amazing that the tracks sounds better without any of these low grade units.
Thanks for the shootout.. Nicely done.. Do you have any thoughts on the ouput level differences between the units? The warm did seem louder in all the audio comparisons and I wondering if volume leveling via the gain on the Klark would get them in the same ball park. It is truly a question and not rhetorical. Anyone have some thoughts on that specifically.
The warm had more top end which I think made the perceived loudness higher. The top end on the klark seemed "tamed" to me
@@ShredShed - ok that makes sense thanks for responding.
Warm sounds surprisingly boxy compared to the the Klark.
There's a clear boxiness tone in the Warm Audio. And with KT there's some obvious mud .... Hmmm
I liked the warm better, Cheers!
@@ShredShed I could use both with no problem tbh, as minor things like that only noticeable when comparing head to head.
Wish I could get the Warm with the bigger power and bypass switches of the Klark 🤔 lol
yobhsiFehT thats probably easy to mod
I liked Klark more on drums. Somehow drums sounded boxy on WA but I liked WA on electric guitars and bass more
same but to be honest, I liked the guitars with zero compression anyway so that would nudge me closer to the teknik
It feels like the Warm Audio changes the tonality of the signal. In some instances it could be a strength but neither of them are a “one tool for all”. The Klark tends to be a bit darker when compared to the Warm, but yet again, this could favor it on “bass inclined tracks”. I’d rate this 50/50. Despite the price difference, I think it’s a matter of taste at the end and not really on the technical aspects, as they both have strengths and weaknesses that favor them on different scenarios.
I agree. I personally prefer the warm, it can always be set darker or to taste. To me the HF band on the Klark seemed a bit "unresponsive" and "soft" compared to the warm. The lower end on the warm was also much more immediate and hard sounding, Both are great in their own rights. Thanks for watching!!
Shred Shed exactly the point. Great content!!!! Definitely makes us see things in a much different perspective.
They are two different animals.
Interesting. I found the Klark sounded less "EQ'd" & more natural than the Warm. I found it kept the tone of the source material intact, whereas the Warm seemed to color things more...
Some may take that as the Klark not doing what it is supposed to ; )
@@ShredShed From what I've heard so far the Klark has a wider Q on high boost, which is why it may sound more natural, but it's not that great for larger boosts. In the Sweetwater shootout they posted graphs and there, too it looks like the Q is a bit wider than in other Pultec clones.
To me Klark sounds less obviously EQed in the sense that I don't hear pronounced scooping as in Warm. Both are great, but I like the tight and clear low-end on the Klark more. Warm sounds a bit boomy. I'm talking this based on Sweetwater shootout which wasn't done properly as Klark was 1.2dB more quiet then the rest, so keep this in mind when listening.
It surely sounds different than the original Pultec with a wider high boost and tighter low, but what we need to ask ourselves is "Do we like that?" It it usable? Does it sound good despite being different? My answer is YES. I've build a Gyraf Pultec clone, but I like the low end clarity I hear on Klark more. I'm not sure about the high band, but I guess I'll just have to buy two of them and try them out on mixbus and mastering scenario following my Vari-Mu compressor. I suppose Klarks will be perfect for the job with their tight low boost.
Why the warm audio has different boost on high freq?! For exemple in drums, warm audio boost 8K and Teknik boost 4K?!
They are the same. The parameter layout is different on both units. If you look closely you will see the frequency and bandwidth knobs are in opposite locations...
*sigh*
Warm is hardware
Silver is a plugin.
Very solid review and comparison. Thank you.
thanks DUDE!
Sometimes the same units sound different... you just use it differently. Use you ears not memory of settings.
These are not set to the same settings either...
But you will need to use your ears anyway.
The KT range is fine for people on a budget.
With the price of 1 of the other you can make a 8 channel mixer with the price of the KT units.
Although I will say their units are better for adding a sound rather than fine tuning things.
This is what you pay for in the other units.
I might get a bunch to make a fancy summing unit and only use them to add character not fine tune things.
These we're set to the same setting but it looks different because the knob layout isn't the same between the warm and the KT
I like the WA a bit better than the Klark
We did too, the Klark sounded really "soft" compared to the warm. The warms bottom end and top end sounded more powerful and immediate.
@@ShredShed I think it sounds clearer as well.
What microphone did you use to record the voices? BTW Great test video man ;)
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It's weird. You really chose settings (especially for Klark) that made it sound worse in several cases than unprocessed audio. Also, Klark sounds a bit compressed (e.g. in the bass and guitar), which is a bit odd (maybe it's the tube circuit squashing the sound?). Anyway, thanks for the comparison even though I felt the eq settings were not the most favourable for the Eqs.
Exactly wat I said
@@vontreherumaiBH you guys missed the point! sometimes you have to go a little extreme. Everyone doesn't have a trained ear! Plus it doesn't translate well through RUclips! I had to use earphones .....I'd rather be there for the RAW test! That's the best way to me!
be nice if they were the same volume.. for my money the klarks are slightly less coloured.. the warms are not a nice warm.. more just a bit muffled.. pultecs are warm and clear.
KT sounds more relaxed and natural.Warm a little bit fuzzy.
Good tryout. But comparison should be A-B, not A-B-C. Bypass switches should have been toggled simultaneously.
i just upgraded from a pair of yamaha hs7 to 8040 genelec, and i've seen this video many times......
with the hs7 this was almost an even mach.
but with better monitors the WarmAudio is a clear winner!
it keep things alive and organic
please don't judge on cheap monitors