Annapoorani Propaganda - Did Prabhu Shri Ram Eat Meat ?
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- Опубликовано: 16 фев 2024
- From the podcast - Mahabharata Unravelled: The Dharma Discourses
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Good to see that kushal sir is now considering to post small clips of long podcasts it would help to get more audience👍👍👍
Whether Sri Ram consumed meat isn't the important part. The important part is who's saying it and for what purpose.
If I can't question a Muslim's choice to eat pork, no one has a right to question my vegetarian diet. The story ends there. As a diasporic Hindu, I’ve had to justify my diet since childhood but now thanks to halal, I can say it is religious and call it a day 😂
If ram was eating meat that's why you want to eat then try to become like Ram you would know how difficult it is
Agar Ram meet khate bhi the to unki marji mujhe nahin khana yah meri marji aur aapki baat bilkul sahi hai kaun sa ham Puri tarah ram ko follow kar sakte hain unka to ham 0.1% bhi nahin hai
@@NehaSharma-gt8mu sahi Baat.. agar Ram kha rahe isliye khana hai to Ram jaise banane ka try Karo .. tab pata chalega
The issue is that both interpretations work. If you interpret it as fruit pulp everywhere all Hanuman is telling Sita is that Rama is starving himself in your absence. So you believe what you want to. This is not an argument that can convince anyone. Believe what you want.Yes, the fact the Kshatriyas ate meat implies Rama did as well. For the most part, his diet is not the most important aspect of the Ramayana.
Now about Annapoorni. The problem is we know what the movie was trying to do. The intent was to show Brahmins in poor light Namaz to make the biryani taste better. ? Come on man!!!
exactly yur first para is perfect everyone is focusing on he ate meat or not but diet focus nhi tha ramayana.
Showing Brahmins superiority complex and discrimination is one thing, I don't think anything is wrong with that but offering namaz before eating biryani is total agenda lol.
When we talk about Valmiki Ramayana you can’t use interpretation. Because it is a contemporary work. That’s itihasa.
Do you read History books in school and started making interpretations. No.
Not once in Valmiki Ramayan there is any talk of hunting animal for food.
The problem is when ppl don’t Read itihasas then come to give gyan about interpretations.
Did Netaji supported war? The answer is yes or no because we have read in history. We don’t sit down and start making interpretations.
@@Bronsonnarrator
In the field of medicine and health care do you see allopathy doctors superiority complex? Do you have problem with that? Are allopathy doctors demonised and hunted down and even killed?
@@Bronsonnarrator As a tamil brahmin whose community is less than 1% but still gets blamed for ALL casteism in TN, I strongly object to your statement. Why should brahmins alone be shown as casteist when we ALL know every single Indian is responsble for it? It's easy to cast aspersions on brahmins bc no one else has to take owenership over the bad behavior of their communities and that's the truth.
Even if lord ram ate meat, IT'S OKAY but in movie context doesn't fit in a right way, because scenes like( to make biryani hero's mother offer namaz first then it becames tasty or like a muslim hero told a hindu brahmin girl, to make tasty biryani u should have to consume it first, becuse YOUR LORD RAMA ATE ALSO AND THEN HE STARTED STATING QUOTE,( reminding u, hero is not religious), which is obviously feels being forcefully kept, because inreal life there could be many hindu "BRAHMIN" CHEFS who could make biryani and they consume it or to make it further better, without offering namaz🥲,also without knowing lord ram ate it or not
Dharma is all about keeping balance,when animals hunt one another humans also fit in that cycle,but currently we are exploiting the animals we eat without a happy moment in their life most chickens don’t even see the sunlight.
Exactly!
What about plants? They are living things too
@@sureshnaidu201fuk them bro
@@sureshnaidu201oh yea btw vegiterians eat the fruits of plants or leaves. so yea they are not killing them. And some people refrain eating onions and garlic coz it requirs uprooting. atleast thats what i think.
And these people say there is no Romeo Jehad in Kerala. The whole movie shows the Kerala files with opposite music to brain wash.
But now pwople are aware.
Unke liye itna common hai ab unko farak hi nahi padta
I'm a mallu and I am dating a Muslim girl. I don't intend to marry her, she's ok with live in.
@@__________________2450 you can get killed for that if really she isn't/is in serious relationship with you.
annapoorani can't be ban but kashmir file can be ban this is just hate towered hindu
Bhai ban toh Hui hai annapoorni, kashmir files kab hui? Aur kaha?
@@chaitanyaagnihotri10dsn44 in some state they ban
My point is Ram eaten meat so what ? He was kshatriya.
Sri Ram was a kshatriya. So, it is irrelevant to the topic of discussion because, unlike a certain religion, hinduism doesn't tell you to imitate a person/God. Yes, Shri Ram is called the "Adarshs purusha," but that doesn't mean you have to follow his life to a T. You don't need to be a hindu to understand this simple logic.
Thank you for stating common sense.
Even now a days we are using terms like.......meat of coconut......flesh of watermelon/ jackfruit,...i guess it may be something which misinterpreted while translation
Mental gymnastics he bas , Sanskrit me aisa kuch phrase nahi he.
@@Gautama3699 goat meat is sattvic and is offerred still in Kali and Durga pujas. There is Sattvic way of cooking meat without onion and garlic. All our ancestors were non vegetarian it's a proven fact. It is Jain distortion that created this erronious catagorization of food. Our vedic scriptions were never against consumption or offering meat infact it was necessary to please the gods when doing yagna. These later distortions which imposed vegetarianism in our scriptures. Valmiki Ramayana and Mahabharata all were distorted first by Jains then by Vaishnavas and later by christian missionaries. Only a jain slave like you will argue for our ancestors to be vegetarian. Our ancestors were forcefully converted to become vegetarians by varous Jain and Buddhist rulers. Ahimsa is not a top priorty of hindus. Himsa is virtous committed for a valid reason hunting to obtain food is a valid reason. Thanks to internet age today truth is finally coming out, We are able to know what our ancestors actually were. No more conmens like you can fool us.
@@Gautama3699 Dharma is all about keeping balance,when animals hunt one another humans also fit in that cycle,but currently we are exploiting the animals we eat without a happy moment in their life most chickens don’t even see the sunlight.
@@Gautama3699you are pushing your own sensibilities into lord Rama
@@Gautama3699Sri Rama’s divinity does not get reduced since he ate meat. An Avatara is a descent into human consciousness.. and he is an Avatara.
Divine is divine... it is what it is..
But if someone feels that his divinity is reduced by eating meat: let him be a vegetarian in your eyes.
The issue of Sri Rama eating meat or not simply does NOT move me. It’s not something fight for or against. To clarify, it’s a non issue for me.
I get why some people want him to be vegetarian... but to me it makes zero difference.
For all those people who feel deeply that Sri Rāma is a vegetarian, I won’t put out the verse translations word by word.
I feel for them. I understand their pain...
Kshatriya tab bhi meat khate the aur khastriye aaj bhi meat khate hain. I don't know why people gets so touchy on this issue. Ramji was kshatriya
Then give us even 1 reference where it’s mentioned that shri ram ate meat. Ignorance is bliss for people like u
I wholeheartedly agree with you but I must tell you, please do not say words like d-mn if you want to write Shri Ram's name next to it.
@@shu830abbe saale 😂 matlab kuch bhi
The problem is not Shri Ram eating meat...🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
The problem is the need to read namaz by a brahmin girl🧕🏼 that too cooking non-veg biryani and this thing is told to him by a mulla.
First why the girl didn't question real senior Brahmins?
Second a brahmin is not kshatriya so why she had to brain washed to touch non veg?
Third the purpose of namaz and hijaab before cooking?
This smells Abdul propaganda itself...🙏🙏🙏
@@shu830 sure I already edited
In south India Garikapaty actually asks Kshatriyas even present day to eat mean,Brahmins are not supposed to but Bengali Brahmins eat meat,eat meat as much as required,don’t eat for the taste of it and please avoid mammals.
Shakta and Shaiva Brahmins eat meat no matter which place they belong to.
Also Kashmiri Brahmins eat meat due to geographic reasons.
Would it make a difference if Shri Ram ate Soya Chaap and French fries?
Kisse puch rha h
What the f€u|< is this statement all about????????
With diet coke 🤪 and lot of dhoklas
And then proceed to establish the main point that, They Hunted Animals to eat and We Farm and Torture Animals to Eat meat. That's the main issue right now.
don't do post-fact logic to force fit justifying things you do because of religion / culture
Doctors say that meat of fish, chicken and egg are very good for health then why should anyone abstain from it? Although it’s proved that even plants have life and feels pain but if vegan hindus don’t eat meat merely because animals feel pain then will they eat egg? Egg doesn’t feel pain when you make omelette from it or boil it, so will brahmins eat egg if the issue is all about pain? If the issue is about pain then will they be okay with slaughtering animals after proper anaesthesia is administered?
Butter chicken is tasty, try it once 🤤
@@descendantofbharatbharatva7155seethe and cope, all you lot. You will lose, dharma will win.
@@Ravi9A come out of your ignorance driven delusion
Please discuss the rave party arranged by Bharadwaja muni to the visiting Bharat and his army in Ramayana.
It felt really rude Kushal for you to have Ami as a guest and ignored her, by looking at god knows what on your screen, the whole time she is spreading her well researched knowledge and opinions, even if she is your friend. You "vocalizing" at regular intervals felt like you were disinterested. AIM does that very often actually, looking down at his phone while others are sharing their thoughts, but you were always engaging with fellow panellists and guests, kindly do not lose that. Indifference and showing disinterest to other people is truly disgraceful and condescending.
I agree 👍... I don't like to watch AIM for same reason
She is his long time friend dude, he said even before he even started podcasting. Friends ke beech mein kya formality?
Same here, felt disheartening. Even if he is a so-called friend... He is doing it for the public and for himself... Respect must be given, displayed and reciprocated. Such a disappointment to watch him... The only reason I watched this was Ami ji.
ruclips.net/video/pl-LBbUT0AM/видео.htmlsi=jBt-1lO0OzbZG4py
Feels unprofessional for a podcaster to behave like that. True that.
Rāma was non-vegetarian according to the Vālmiki Rāmāyaṇa.
Long answer:
Several verses of the Vālmiki Rāmāyaṇa mention that during his exile, Rāma tended to avoid meat-eating. However, these verses actually imply that he was used to eating meat, and that vegetarianism was something associated with the ascetics. Several other verses clearly tell us that when he was hungry, he would eat meat even during his exile. The proponents of vegetarianism tell us that these are bad translations or misinterpretations, but the original Sanskrit verses and several independent translations are available for everyone to read - these verses can’t be more clear about Rāma eating meat. If anything, it’s actually the translations by the proponents of vegetarianism, that are misleadingly contrived to show Rāma as a vegetarian.
Another thing that is clear from multiple verses is that Rama’s apparent tendency to avoid meat during the exile didn’t result from his belief in non-violence against the animals - it’s just something that he considered as part of an ascetic lifestyle. There are verses where he sacrifices animals for ceremonies and wears clothes made out of animal skin.
Rāmāyaṇa is not unique in this sense: many respected Hindu texts, including the Vedas, condone meat-eating and animal sacrifice. The vegetarianism in the modern Hindu society is a virtue borrowed from Buddhism and Jainism, and a relic of the times when these two sects had gained prominence.
Exactly! No one seems to acknowledge that Modern hinduism is a blend of many different panthas.
It's Gujarat and Rajasthan Hinduism which were glorified by Mughals coz they were their strappy state under them
I have read a commentary where the authors explain why they chose the 'fruit' translation. Not the meat.
First things first, Ksatriyas were allowed to eat meat. After they had offered it in sacrifice. Called 'medhya' meat.
Some commentators go with that translation. Mamsa as medhya meat. Opposed to amedhya meat.
Others explain differently. Let me explain a bit.
caturdaśa hi varṣāṇi vatsyāmi vijane vane
madhu-mūla-phalair jīvan hitvā munivad āmiṣam
2.20.29
They translate it as this.
“Having given up royal objects of enjoyment, I will live in the secluded forest for fourteen years like a sage, subsisting on honey, roots and fruits.”
Others may translate it as this.
“Having given up meat, I will live in the secluded forest for fourteen years like a sage, subsisting on honey, roots and fruits.”
The key word is āmiṣam derived from the word āmiṣa which has been translated here as “royal objects of enjoyment” and which has been translated by some as “meat.”
Amisa has many many meanings in Sanskrit dictionaries.
Monier-Williams says:
“food, meat, prey, an object of enjoyment, a pleasing or beautiful object, coveting, longing for, lust, desire, a gift, boon, fee”
According to Apte, it also means “bait, lovely or attractive object, form, a leaf, the fruit of the Jambīra, means of livelihood.”
According to Medinī-kośa, āmiṣa can mean bhogya-vastu (“an enjoyable item”), sambhoga (“enjoyment”), utkoca (“bribe”) or palala (“flesh”).
And according to Viśva-kośa it can mean palala (“flesh”), lobha (“greed”), sambhoga (“enjoyment”) and utkoca (“bribe”).
Seeing the multiple meanings we have to see the context.
The verse at hand was spoken by Lord Rāmacandra to His mother Kausalyā. Śrī Rāma tells her that He will give up āmiṣa (whatever that means) to live in the secluded forest for fourteen years like a sage and subsist on honey, roots and fruits.
If it means 'meat', it would imply that Ram ate meat before going to exile.
However, that contradicts with a previous verse.
It doesn’t match with Rāma’s character as revealed by Him in the previous chapter to Kaikeyī-devī after she informed Him of His father’s bestowal of the two boons to her:
nāham artha-paro devi lokam āvastum utsahe viddhi mām ṛṣibhis tulyaṁ kevalaṁ dharmam āsthitam
2.19.20
“O queen, I am not interested in residing in this place with a desire for wealth. Know Me to have exclusively taken shelter of dharma like the sages.”
Things to be noted. The word kevalam means exclusively. He only followed the dharma of the sages. He was already doing that.
Meaning he followed dharma for moksha. Like sages do. In Bhagavad Gita that is dharma in 'sattvik' guna.
Dharma can be rajasika also. Where one desires artha and kama. Sages follow sattvika dharma. To become liberated. To attain moksha.
Certain activities in Vedic dharma are merely concessions for those who accept Vedic authority but who have not woken up to the importance of renouncing the world and becoming liberated from material existence.
These concessions are as under:
loke vyavāyāmiṣa-madya-sevā nityā hi jantor na hi tatra codanā vyavasthitis teṣu vivāha-yajña-surā-grahair āsu nivṛttir iṣṭā
“In this material world the conditioned soul is always inclined to sex, meat-eating and intoxication. Therefore religious scriptures never actually encourage such activities. Although the scriptural injunctions provide for sex through sacred marriage, for meat-eating through sacrificial offerings and for intoxication through ritual cups of wine, such ceremonies are meant for the ultimate purpose of renunciation.”
Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam 11.5.11
Manu-smṛti 5.56 notes that these three scripturally restricted activities are activities of the creatures in line with their instincts, but abstinence from such activities brings about a great reward. And what is this great reward?
pravṛttaṁ karma saṁsevya devānām eti sāṛṣṭitām nivṛttaṁ sevamānas tu bhūtāny atyeti pañca vai
“By engaging in scripturally restricted activities that are in line with one’s instincts, a man attains equality with the gods. However, by abstaining from these activities, he transcends the five elements.” Manusmriti 12.90
Since Rāma carried out that dharma which had been adopted by the sages even before He was exiled to the forest, it is clear that He had abstained from the concessional allowances enlisted above, which certainly included abstaining from medhya and amedhya meat.
So, by context meat is ruled out. And royal comforts is selected.
Something in line with two classic commentaries. Satyadharma Tirtha's Ramayan bhava dipa and Sivasahaya's Ramayan siromani.
I am ending this here. But other instances from Ramayan has also been picked up like this and analyzed.
Personally speaking, it doesn't matter if Rama ate meat. He's God. Like they say, Siva drank halala poison. We can't drink poison. One can take instructions from the Controllers. But one shouldn't imitate them.
But Ram not eating meat sounds more sensible to me in light of these explanations. Others may choose to disagree.
@@trollface7998wrong info. Gujarat has dwaraka and somanth. And in back in the days Gujarat was not vegetarian. It is actually during british raj that vegetarian were hugly popular. Remember gujarat and rajasthan is desert states. We hardly had food reserve before fertilizer.
@@hj2711okay make sense
Director apologized right?
I would be interested to understand their interpretation of ashvmegh yagya..
Great Video
I disagree with ami ji about what she has said about Hanuman ji.
One of the reference where Ram and Lakshman consumed meat during vanvas: Ayodhyakanda , sarga-52, slok- 102
तौ तत्र हत्वा चतुरो महामृगान्
वराहमृश्यं पृषतं महारुरुम्।
आदाय मेध्यं त्वरितं बुभुक्षितौ
वासाय काले ययतुर्वनस्पतिम्।।2.52.102।।
बुभुक्षितौ famished, तौ they, तत्र there, वराहम् a boar, ऋश्यम् a whitefooted male antelope, पृषतम् spotted deer, महारुरुम् a great deer with black stripes, चतुरः four, मृगान् animals, हत्वा killed, मेध्यम् pure meat, त्वरितम् quickly, आदाय partaking as food, काले in the evening, वासाय for rest, वनस्पतिम् under a tree, ययतुः reached.
Famished, they (Rama and Lakshmana) killed a boar, a rishya (whitefooted male antelope), a spotted deer and a great deer with black stripes. They partook the meat and reached a tree by evening where they rested for the night.
geetapress translates this differently, it translates it as juicy fleshy fruit. Althouth there are 2 mentions of meat in ramayana but neither are direct as in neither of them say lord ram was non-vegetarian nor do they say he was vegetarian. Secondly lord ram did not eat mean during vanvas this is a fact clearly stated by valmiki ramayana 2 times first when lord ram leaves ayodhya he mentions staying away from meat to his mother kaushalya second lord hanuman mentions this to mata sita when he visits her in ashok vatika.
@@br0ken_107So geetapress corrupted the original for their own populist agenda..
@@br0ken_107why we debating this in our scriptures meat is considered as tamasik and Shree Ram and Shree Krishna was satvik gun .
Vanaspati itself means herbs
This is what gonna happen without getting any concept with just reading text.
Only during Krishna avatar, there was agriculture developed.
I have read a commentary where the authors explain why they chose the 'fruit' translation. Not the meat.
First things first, Ksatriyas were allowed to eat meat. After they had offered it in sacrifice. Called 'medhya' meat.
Some commentators go with that translation. Mamsa as medhya meat. Opposed to amedhya meat.
Others explain differently. Let me explain a bit.
caturdaśa hi varṣāṇi vatsyāmi vijane vane
madhu-mūla-phalair jīvan hitvā munivad āmiṣam
2.20.29
They translate it as this.
“Having given up royal objects of enjoyment, I will live in the secluded forest for fourteen years like a sage, subsisting on honey, roots and fruits.”
Others may translate it as this.
“Having given up meat, I will live in the secluded forest for fourteen years like a sage, subsisting on honey, roots and fruits.”
The key word is āmiṣam derived from the word āmiṣa which has been translated here as “royal objects of enjoyment” and which has been translated by some as “meat.”
Amisa has many many meanings in Sanskrit dictionaries.
Monier-Williams says:
“food, meat, prey, an object of enjoyment, a pleasing or beautiful object, coveting, longing for, lust, desire, a gift, boon, fee”
According to Apte, it also means “bait, lovely or attractive object, form, a leaf, the fruit of the Jambīra, means of livelihood.”
According to Medinī-kośa, āmiṣa can mean bhogya-vastu (“an enjoyable item”), sambhoga (“enjoyment”), utkoca (“bribe”) or palala (“flesh”).
And according to Viśva-kośa it can mean palala (“flesh”), lobha (“greed”), sambhoga (“enjoyment”) and utkoca (“bribe”).
Seeing the multiple meanings we have to see the context.
The verse at hand was spoken by Lord Rāmacandra to His mother Kausalyā. Śrī Rāma tells her that He will give up āmiṣa (whatever that means) to live in the secluded forest for fourteen years like a sage and subsist on honey, roots and fruits.
If it means 'meat', it would imply that Ram ate meat before going to exile.
However, that contradicts with a previous verse.
It doesn’t match with Rāma’s character as revealed by Him in the previous chapter to Kaikeyī-devī after she informed Him of His father’s bestowal of the two boons to her:
nāham artha-paro devi lokam āvastum utsahe viddhi mām ṛṣibhis tulyaṁ kevalaṁ dharmam āsthitam
2.19.20
“O queen, I am not interested in residing in this place with a desire for wealth. Know Me to have exclusively taken shelter of dharma like the sages.”
Things to be noted. The word kevalam means exclusively. He only followed the dharma of the sages. He was already doing that.
Meaning he followed dharma for moksha. Like sages do. In Bhagavad Gita that is dharma in 'sattvik' guna.
Dharma can be rajasika also. Where one desires artha and kama. Sages follow sattvika dharma. To become liberated. To attain moksha.
Certain activities in Vedic dharma are merely concessions for those who accept Vedic authority but who have not woken up to the importance of renouncing the world and becoming liberated from material existence.
These concessions are as under:
loke vyavāyāmiṣa-madya-sevā nityā hi jantor na hi tatra codanā vyavasthitis teṣu vivāha-yajña-surā-grahair āsu nivṛttir iṣṭā
“In this material world the conditioned soul is always inclined to sex, meat-eating and intoxication. Therefore religious scriptures never actually encourage such activities. Although the scriptural injunctions provide for sex through sacred marriage, for meat-eating through sacrificial offerings and for intoxication through ritual cups of wine, such ceremonies are meant for the ultimate purpose of renunciation.”
Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam 11.5.11
Manu-smṛti 5.56 notes that these three scripturally restricted activities are activities of the creatures in line with their instincts, but abstinence from such activities brings about a great reward. And what is this great reward?
pravṛttaṁ karma saṁsevya devānām eti sāṛṣṭitām nivṛttaṁ sevamānas tu bhūtāny atyeti pañca vai
“By engaging in scripturally restricted activities that are in line with one’s instincts, a man attains equality with the gods. However, by abstaining from these activities, he transcends the five elements.” Manusmriti 12.90
Since Rāma carried out that dharma which had been adopted by the sages even before He was exiled to the forest, it is clear that He had abstained from the concessional allowances enlisted above, which certainly included abstaining from medhya and amedhya meat.
So, by context meat is ruled out. And royal comforts is selected.
Something in line with two classic commentaries. Satyadharma Tirtha's Ramayan bhava dipa and Sivasahaya's Ramayan siromani.
I am ending this here. But other instances from Ramayan has also been picked up like this and analyzed.
Personally speaking, it doesn't matter if Rama ate meat. He's God. Like they say, Siva drank halala poison. We can't drink poison. One can take instructions from the Controllers. But one shouldn't imitate them.
But Ram not eating meat sounds more sensible to me in light of these explainations. Others may choose to disagree.
Great explanation indeed!
Although I believe that Lord Ram ate meat but only after sacrificing it to the Gods. Asuras in Valmiki Ramayana have been called "meat eaters" (with negative connotation associated with it) because they ate meat regularly and without offering it to Gods.
Moreover, meat eating after sacrifice has been extensively discussed in Vedas. Manusmriti even goes on to say that the person commits sin if he does not eat sacrificial meat.
Scientific studies also claim that the diet of many Indians changed to pure vegetarianism around 2000 years ago, only after the advent of Buddhism.
In Vedic religion, sacrificial meat eating was quite common among Dvijas, including Brahmins.
@shashwattripathi8997 absolute rubbish. When it comes to Vedas the Arya Samaj clearly disagrees of meat eating in vedas . There can be different interpretions by different people for their vested intrests . But clearly there are many more undisputed/unambiambiguos passages in Vedas and Vedanata condeming killing of animals for food as compared to the few pasaages which are ambiguos and under dispute of interpretation ,regarding killing of animals for meat being allowed.
@@theneurosurgeon007 Does Vedas promote non violence/pure rituals over violent/sacrificial rituals? Yes.
Does Vedas condemn animal sacrifice? No.
Many people use verses promoting nonviolence to prove that Vedas were against animal sacrifice but this is only partial truth telling.
You have to find the logic behind those rituals and then you will be able to understand them. Manu says that drinking wine, eating meat or having an intercourse are natural instincts of a human so it cannot and should not be suppressed by dharma. The best the dharma can do is to provide rules and regulations regarding those acts so that dharmik people can perform these acts within control and do not harm themselves and the society.
Let us be clear.. that did not lead to the controversy, the controversy was , she converting to islam, Wearing a Burkha,
Performing Namaz..just to cook biriani.
💯💯💯💯💯
The culture of Vegetarianism in Indian society came from JAIN principles. Nothing wrong just stating fact, It is also Indian Dharmic idea anyway. If you scan though Geography of India You can clearly see in India wherever influence of Jainism is less almost all Hindus in the society are Non Vegetarian. ❤❤ As for the movie , it could not find a Hindu Character to influence her take up Non Veg cooking? 60% Hindus are still non veg. Now selection of the characters in the movie is propaganda 😊
True, there are hindus who eat meat even today. Hindus are vegetarian but they do eat meat occasionally sometimes.
@@punyashloka4946 70 percent of Hindus are nonvegterian.
@@Bronsonnarrator yeah I know, but hindus are not heavy meat eater like Muslims or Westerners. Non veg hindus also follow some rules and regulations.
Dharma is all about keeping balance,when animals hunt one another humans also fit in that cycle,but currently we are exploiting the animals we eat without a happy moment in their life most chickens don’t even see the sunlight.
@@punyashloka4946 there are no rules, it is just that india has lot of vegetarian culture along with non vegetarian. Vegetarian food in India has lot of variety.
Excellent! When discussing Ram of Valmiki Ramayana his carnivorous nature is compelling. However subsequent vegetarian traditions are fine to impose a community standard. The non destruction of a sentient being is a compelling argument too.
imposing is not ok
@@dhruvseoni8418 I would not impose - but the whole world does. You could be lynched for eating dog meat in the US. Many would impose on you to ban horse meat. I draw a line between humans and animals but some folks have fallen in love with a species that they proscribe public consumption of.
It staerted with Buddhism whose tenets were further taken by Vaishnavism. Then the whole Bhakti literature
Netflix ka humesha ka yhi hai... Love jihad promote karna..... Hinduism ke against movie/ series bana naa.....
Sri Rama’s divinity does not get reduced since he ate meat. An Avatara is a descent into human consciousness.. and he is an Avatara.
Divine is divine... it is what it is..
But if someone feels that his divinity is reduced by eating meat: let him be a vegetarian in your eyes.
The issue of Sri Rama eating meat or not simply does NOT move me. It’s not something fight for or against. To clarify, it’s a non issue for me.
I get why some people want him to be vegetarian... but to me it makes zero difference.
For all those people who feel deeply that Sri Rāma is a vegetarian, I won’t put out the verse translations word by word.
I feel for them. I understand their pain...
Most Hindus ate meat in Vedic times. Ram and Krishna also ate meat. Later, Hindu Brahmins and Vaishyas wisely switched to vegetarian food due to the influence of Jains.
Today, switching to mostly vegetarian food is the best way to reduce deforestation and global warming today.
🙏🏽🌍🙏🏽
Who cares even if he did. 🤷🏻♂️ Eating plants and smaller animals are natural.
Original source is valmika ramayan..read it before any conclusion
I don't like to trust anyone who puts out claims without showing the sources. I've gone through the popular Ramcharitmanas and here are some references. Please feel free to read yourself:
Bal Kand Dohas 204, 223, 302, 357
Ayodhya Kand Dohas 6, 21, 192
Why would anyone give up the beauty of Hindu culture, the flowers, clothes, jewellery, festivals for the black robe of Arabia and a chance not even to enter the mosque god supposedly lives in?
She is speaking through the vision of translated English books by foreigners.
Feb me 25 degree pe AC kon chalata h bhay
Even if Shri Rama ate meat. It doesn't even matter. He was a worshipper of lord Shiva who is the destroyer of every thing as it exists
Most interesting thing Pro Hindu actors are being casted in to these kinds of films.
NB : Nayantara coverted to Hinduism from X'nity.
Sarah Ali Khan another example.
She converted only for marriage rituals and it becomes easier to follow your husband's religion to live in the house. But to become a Hindu one needs conviction and obviously Abrahmic follower look down upon Hinduism always.
And let me tell you about miss Sarah. She is the fakest actress. She wants attention that's why she does that all drama. Her father is a Muslim and mother is half muslim and half Sikh. Where she learnt Shiva's teachings?
Did sara make an official statement like Nayanthara did
@@__LAmar__ No need such statements when she makes open visits to several temples
The question is " kya hame shri Ram ki SUNNAT nibhani chahiye?" 😂😂😂😂😂
Forests bachao...reserve forest bachaye pashupatinath ka adesh hai चीन ka पेट bhara nahi jaata bahut bada hai...उनका bhook ke wajah se जंगल ke pashu khali ho gaye..
Due to Hindu's secularism, those people get such an opportunity to target Hinduism and Hindu Gods, Goddesses.. That's why leave secularism, become Kattar Sanatani.🚩🚩🚩🚩
Who target sanatan for what? Zara context toh do?
No Hate Speech 🥰
I know a chef who is vegetarian but he cooks non vegetarian food. He recommended me to watch Annapoorni movie.
Sounds like a fake story
@@rb5177 the thing is normal individual that watches movies for entertainment tends to avoid that part. I mean most of the old Bollywood movies has scene like these, Muslim appeasing was very common in movies.
@@Bronsonnarratorit's the same old wine in a new bottle.
It could just mean Hanuman ji saying Shri Ram ne fal khaane bhi choor diye hai considering the context that Hanuman ji himself was eating a lot of fruits while destroying the ashok vatika...
Bhai Ramji bhi kashtriya hai ladne k lie bho takat chahie hota vobhi 6, 7 mahine tk kuchh nhi khakar ladne chal diya ye bhi koi sense nhi bnta hai.
He left meat eating but Fal mool aadi kha hi rhe honge.
Yes.
@@sumitdutta7043but bro, Shri Ram is God so the energy aspect is out of question and tbh idc about all this.
All i care about is that he was the supreme Lord who through his Maya did many Leelas so that we can connect emotionally to him.
Just be healthy mate . 👍 I never judge people based on the choice of food consumption. Ultimately it is the survival of the fittest .please isme ab western construct ka argument mat lana . Eat whatever you want to as long as it is legalalised by the govt (mordern state not the indic civilization)
When you do the podcast pls pay attention to the speaker..It does not look good when as an interviewer you attention is not with the guest..
I remember this woman speaking ‛gada’ cannot be related to hanuman.
Yaa he ate meat its common in that era.
Even Maa Sita ate meat.
Still both are God for me.
Btw I am Vegetarian.
That being said movie is trying to show propoganda.
No bro, Shri Ram did not eat meat. You should do proper research before arriving at any conclusion. Instead of me writing everything here you can go through these videos to gain more understanding:
Aryavart Regenerator Channel: Did Ram eat meat ? रामायण में मांसाहार । Flesh eating myth in Ramayan (Part 1) रामायण में पशु हिंसा
Aryavart Regenerator Channel: रामायण में मांसाहार है या नही (Part 2) || Meat Eating in Valmiki Ramayana ?
Nityananda Misra Channel: प्रतिवाद: श्रीराम मांस नहीं खाते थे | Counterview: Śrī-Rāma did not eat meat | Hindi
But I am sure Kushal Mehra is going to shit in this video as he usually does.
@@msaw504 kya fark padta hai kuch bhi khaye? In any case, agar Shri Ram ne kand mool khaye honge, toh bhi hum aaj thodi na kand mool roz khayenge
@@meerama8155 Now you are changing the topic. The question is "whether Shri Ram was non-vegetarian or not?". The question is not "why does it matter what he ate?". If it doesn't matter what he ate then you should not talk about his food preferences at all and certainly you should not justify meat eating by giving him as an example.
My second concern is that Kushal as well the OP Sumit Dutta don't research properly and provide wrong information. I don't know what their agenda is.
@@msaw504why would I believe people with vegetarian bias.
Arya Samaj most of the Vaishnaw panths are known for that.
Even Gita Press has such bias.
I prefer the words of Swami Vivekananda since he is more consistent.
Archeological Studies even show that non-veg eating used to happen.
@@sumitdutta7043 Your arguments are flawed. For eg., I don't follow Iskon but if Iskon gives an interpretation of some shloka/mantra then I will not refute it just because the interpretation is coming from Iskon. I will refute it if and only if I find the interpretation to be technically incorrect and I will provide proper arguments/evidences in my refutation. Similarly, you should tell us why the arguments presented in the above videos that show that Ram was a vegetarian are technically incorrect.
"Archeological Studies even show that non-veg eating used to happen." This argument is also not sound because it doesn't say that Ram was a non-vegetarian. For eg,. these days also both vegetarians and non-vegetarians exist in India. In fact, majority are non-vegetarians. But that doesn't mean that the Prime Minister of India i.e., Modi is a non-vegetarian.
Now this is off topic but since you brought up Swami Vivekananda. I think you have not studied him at all. He is one of the most overrated person in history. He didn't have proper knowledge of Vedas and Arsh Granthas. He used to praise Jesus and Muhammad. He was a smoker and apparently had more than 30 diseases because of his lifestyle when he died. I think you are brainwashed on so many levels and should study him properly as well along with Valmiki Ramayana.
What she saying is completely false, I just went back and read the ramayana after watching this video, that too from geeta press. I dont know which ramayan she read. And is she delibrately saying this. I like this podcast, I like kushul mehra but, that doesn't mean we should accept every thing that has been said on his podcast and not cross check it. And I also remember her saying that there is no mention of gada of hanuman in ramayan as we see today. I am going cross check it as well.
Chatka meat ram definately ate.
Ok guyz but please
Dont give me the " TuM Nan vEg kaTE hO Tum HiNdU nAI hO" bull shit
What does it matter if Lord Ram ate meat or not. For "GOD" the whole universe is the same, its constituents are nondifferentiated to him.
Ek Baat ye to batao ,
Hanuman Ji Shree Ram ko Sita virah k baad me mile
To unko kaise pta ki pahle Maas khaate the ki Fruit?
Tum saare hindostan k logic lga rhe ho ye bhi to dekho!
So something patently ridiculous like the Kerala story isn't propaganda, but this is? Be reasonable man.
Both are not propaganda happy.
Far better stand
@@kannankv this is propaganda. Kerala Story is not
@@johnlove2954 only namaz offering scene is beyond that movie is good, most the old Bollywood movies which Hindus enjoyed had scene like these, the director apologized move on.
for ignorants, sure.@@johnlove2954
Although it is allowed for a Kshatriya(warrior) to eat meat yet Sri Ram chose not to eat and survive by eating simple fruits in forest.🧐
There is no doubt that Sri Ram ate meat. He, like other Kshatriayas of the time, was a meat eater. In the forest, he had to do with what he got viz fruits, roots but he did hunt animals now and then even there. There are many instances of this:
In Aranya kanda Sarga 73, verse 13, this is what the verse says:
न उद्विजन्ते नरान् दृष्ट्वा वधस्य अकोविदाः शुभाः || ३-७३-१३
घृत पिण्ड उपमान् स्थूलान् तान् द्विजान् भक्षयिष्यथः |
Meaning: "Thereabout birds will be unflustered on seeing humans, because they are artless to avoid hunting, because none kills them, and you may savour them because those birds will be best and burley, similar to ghee-gobs...”
Bali tells Sri Rama (when former was felled by the latter by an arrow):
पंच पंच नखा भक्ष्या ब्रह्म क्षत्रेण राघव |
शल्यकः श्वाविधो गोधा शशः कूर्मः च पंचमः || (Kishkindha kanda sarga 17, verse 39)
("Raghava, five kinds of five-nailed animals, viz., a kind of wild rodent, a kind of wild-boar, a kind of lizard, a hare and fifthly the turtle are edible for Brahmans and Kshatriya-s. [4-17-39])
While such advice on meat eating were given to Sri Rama, question is what did he really eat in the forest? Did he hunt and ate meat.
In fact he did.
In Aranyakanda, when Ravana comes in disguise to the Ashram when Mother Sita is alone and asks for Bhiksha, there is a conversation between Mother Sita and Ravana. Sita, still thinking Ravana as a brahmin “bhikshuk” says this (Sarga 47, verse 23):
समाश्वस मुहूर्तम् तु शक्यम् वस्तुम् इह त्वया || ३-४७-२२
आगमिष्यति मे भर्ता वन्यम् आदाय पुष्कलम् |
रुरून् गोधान् वराहान् च हत्वा आदाय अमिषान् बहु ||
("Be comfortable for a moment, here it is possible for you to make a sojourn, and soon my husband will be coming on taking plentiful forest produce, and on killing stags, mongooses, wild boars he fetches meat, aplenty.”)
Then again in Ayodhya Kanda (Sarga 96, verses 1 and 2) this is what is written (when Bharata’s army is approaching to meet Sri Rama in the forest):
तां तथा दर्शयित्वा तु मैथिलीं गिरिनिम्नगाम् |
निषसाद गिरिप्रस्थे सीतां मांसेन चन्दयन् || २-९६-१
(“Having shown Mandakini River in that manner to Seetha, the daughter of Mithila, Rama set on the hill-side in order to gratify her appetite with a piece of flesh.”)
इदं मेध्यमिदं स्वादु निष्टप्तमिदमग्निना |
एवमास्ते स धर्मात्मा सीतया सह राघवः || २-९६-२
(“Rama, whose mind was devoted to righteousness stayed there with Seetha, saying; "This meat is fresh, this is savoury and roasted in the fire.")
Is there a verse that actually says he hunted animals for food? See the following verse in Ramayana (Sarga 51, verse 102):
तौ तत्र हत्वा चतुरः महा मृगान् |
वराहम् ऋश्यम् पृषतम् महा रुरुम् |
आदाय मेध्यम् त्वरितम् बुभुक्षितौ|
वासाय काले ययतुर् वनः पतिम् || २-५२-१०२
(Having hunted there four deer, namely Varaaha, Rishya, Prisata; and Mahaaruru (the four principal species of deer) and taking quickly the portions that were pure, being hungry as they were, Rama and Lakshmana reached a tree to take rest in the evening.)
So, there is a plethora of evidence in Ramayana by Valmiki that Rama, Lakshmana, Sita and others ate meat. This was their staple diet.
What is so surprising here?
We Hindus have become so stupid that we associate diet with a religion. It never was so.
Kshatriyas of the yore were intensely Rajasic people. They waged wars, hunted in the forests and ate mean of hunted animals.
It is only those who were seriously on the spiritual path who shunned meat as it is considered not “satvic” for spiritual attainment.
That person who acted in the male role is a new convert of Islam. His name was Jai. I don't know his convert name. The girl role is in real life is a christian. Today's Tamil movie world is in the hands of anti nationals, antisanathanis?! Stopped watching Tamil movies. 😢😢😢😢😢
Tl;dw?
The point of the movie is to relentlessly showcase brahmins in a poor light, mocking and shaming their culture which North Indians fail to understand. Ram eating meat is just a tiny aspect in the movie. The movie has potrayed and shamed the Tamil brahmin culture which the Tamil movie industry routinely does due to their hatered towards brahminism. Let us assume Ram ate meat, it is really a secondary aspect, just because Ram ate meat doesn't mean that brhamins choice of vegetarianism and their choice is not dealing with meat gets compromised. It is a ridiculously laughable movie which showcases a brahmin girl doing namaz at the end? Like why? Literally unnecessary😂. Another failed selective secularism movie which portrays hatered towards brahmins which is the primary intent of the movie
Does it matter? As human, unlike elephant hirse cow camel etc, is empowered to eat, digest and make calories for living, similar to carnivores, he being a human used the aGod given privision.Had he refused to use the power to use meat as soyrce if energy it will amount to disregarding God.
She is never clear about the movie 😕
Well rama is primarily a vaishnavites divinity. So i think we should leave it up to them.. i don't know why everyone must give their two cents
Because we're all Hindus and Rama belongs not just to Vaishnavites.
naah He is Lord Ram for me too.
Lord Ram ate meat that's it (btw I am vegetarian).
I take its as fact and I have no problem.
There version of Ram didn't take meat that's there problem.
Lord ram belongs to everyone, not just one specific sect, & lord ram was a Kshatriya king & Kshatriya's eat meat.
lol... vaishnavites can only decide how they live their life.. they don't decide what is written in the text or how other people live their lives
Jisse jo khana hai khao yaar bas dimaag mat khao. Let's not turn into Hindu mullahs who will start quoting scriptures for justifying anything and everything.
Coconut pulp is also referred as coconut meat/coconut malai, though it is neither meat nor malai.
Also hunting is not always for meat, Kings hunted down entire Cheetah population and significant Lion/Tiger population but they were not killed for food.
Not drawing any conclusion about scriptures. But many of your points have flaws.
Ye kisko le aaye bhai podcast pe.. kuch bhi bake jaa rahi hai..
Lord Ram may be a meat eater. So what? His meat eating habit has nothing to do with his following of Dharma.
Majority Hindus eat meat. They are still Hindus.
I feel it’s the Brahmin ideology that makes Rama and Krishna as veggie eaters. All Kshatriyas and Yadavas I know eat meat.
Killing of animals for food especially when you have other humane alternatives is Adharma !
Brahmin ideology never opposed meat for kshatriya. 2 varnas are allowed to eat meat, and 2 varnas are not allowed.
Kshatriya and shudra had physical jobs, so meat was necessary.
Brahman and Vaishya have mental jobs, so meat is restricted for them.
And during history, shudras have become kshatriya and vice versa. Kshatriya and shudra have also become vaishya sometimes, and that's when they become vegetarian. Very rarely, was any other caste allowed to become brahman. Usually, a kayastha community would evolve as half-kshatriya half-vaishya, and they would be allowed to study Vedas and then become somewhat like brahman.
And it is necessary that kshatriya and brahman do not merge together. Because then physical power and law-making power would combine and lead to fascism.
Even if shree Ram ate maas, so what? If we focus on agriculture and advanced technology for agriculture then, we no longer have to rely on meet 'cause our efforts in improving agriculture in Bharat would satisfy everyone's appetite. There's a lot difference between the time when ram was alive and we are living in.
Now, we can grow seasonal vegetables and fruits at national level while keeping in mind all local varieties.
At a perticular time in history, some people had access to agriculture practices and some people did not. So, they had to hunt and eat Meat. In present times, it is not the case. We just need massive investment in R&D for agriculture and we set ourselves on the path of becoming vegetarian society.
Now, when it comes to milk and dairy which is embedded in our culture (which is worthy of continuation unlike meat eating or sacrifices), and high contribution in country's gdp. With that keeping in mind, it is really important to come up with a structure that does not lead to selling and killing of cows. It is 100% possible.
Hindu apologists says that veg diet is healthy and non-veg diet is unhealthy but they aren’t aware of the fact that veg diet doesn’t provide required amount of nutrients and there are several risks associated with veg diet, vegetarians suffer from B12 deficiency. Vitamin B12 is found in non-veg food and egg is a key source of vitamin B12. Vegetarians also suffer from vitamin B12, calcium,omega-3 fatty acids, vitamin D, iron, zinc, riboflavin (vitamin B2), and iodine deficiencies. Apart from this, the clarified butter or Ghee which is one of the 5 products of cow (Panchagavya) has high fat which leads to increase in cholesterol and increases risk of heart diseases.
Ha ha trying to monkey balance . What about when veggie guys says that how can you be hindu if you eat meat. Or how do you support Ram janmabhoomi movement if you are meat eater where as Ram advocated vegetarianism. May be Ganatea ji you should tell this to your veggie friend not to spread propaganda that you have to be vegetarian if your revere Shri Ram just leave it to us.
These types of veggies are carbon copy of petas, Inka hat me aya to 70 percent of Hindus ko non Hindus goshish kar denge.
@@Gautama3699 ja be lavde, bagwaan ram me apna agenda mat la, as you said too each their own, that Hinduism, abhi garpe Jake dudu pee. Thoda tolerant ho, meat eater ko itna degrading thara se bolna zarori nahi he, thoda respect takho fellow Hindus keliye kyuki 70 percent of Hindus meat eater he.
@@Gautama3699Sri Rama’s divinity does not get reduced since he ate meat. An Avatara is a descent into human consciousness.. and he is an Avatara.
Divine is divine... it is what it is..
But if someone feels that his divinity is reduced by eating meat: let him be a vegetarian in your eyes.
The issue of Sri Rama eating meat or not simply does NOT move me. It’s not something fight for or against. To clarify, it’s a non issue for me.
I get why some people want him to be vegetarian... but to me it makes zero difference.
For all those people who feel deeply that Sri Rāma is a vegetarian, I won’t put out the verse translations word by word.
I feel for them. I understand their pain...
@@descendantofbharatbharatva7155 i am a vegetarian and it doesn't change a thing for me tbh, i won't be touching meat because that's something i feel deeply about, a personal choice even if i was told to abstain from it since my childhood but if i was to turn non vegetarian, where are all the Medhya shops for Hindus to buy non halal meat from ? There are some in Rajput dominated areas but not the rest of the country
Please change your intro
This is very weak argument, lord Hanuman met Shri Ram after mother Sita was abducted, it's impossible he would know weather lord Ram ate meat or not, next in Ayodhya Kanda when Keykie banish Shri Ram, Ram accepts to live like Bharamchary and sustain on roots and fruits, why are you ignoring that? This is literally nit picking.
Yes he eat meat
What NONSENSE
There is context and different meanings of event and even WORDS
There is difference between BHAVARTH (भावार्थ) & Shabdarth (शब्दार्थ)
I appreciate ami but this is just pure ignorance
Go to a guru.
If you are going to constantly drink your beverage or eat your dinner or anything.. please don't do podcast.. or finish everything and then start the podcast. This is distracting and disrespectful to audience... I disliked carvaka in sharmsharma show where he constantly eats something and thinks that he deserves our attention.
I completely disagree with you that Ram ji eat meat. I can tell you various scripture where it is mentioned that ram ji didn't eat meat. And people give argument that Ram ji is Kshatriya and Kshatriya's eat meat. As per that logic Kshatriya use to do multiple marriage and also different things but Ram ji didn't did it. So i think that argument is completely useless.
Rāma was non-vegetarian according to the Vālmiki Rāmāyaṇa.
Long answer:
Several verses of the Vālmiki Rāmāyaṇa mention that during his exile, Rāma tended to avoid meat-eating. However, these verses actually imply that he was used to eating meat, and that vegetarianism was something associated with the ascetics. Several other verses clearly tell us that when he was hungry, he would eat meat even during his exile. The proponents of vegetarianism tell us that these are bad translations or misinterpretations, but the original Sanskrit verses and several independent translations are available for everyone to read - these verses can’t be more clear about Rāma eating meat. If anything, it’s actually the translations by the proponents of vegetarianism, that are misleadingly contrived to show Rāma as a vegetarian.
Another thing that is clear from multiple verses is that Rama’s apparent tendency to avoid meat during the exile didn’t result from his belief in non-violence against the animals - it’s just something that he considered as part of an ascetic lifestyle. There are verses where he sacrifices animals for ceremonies and wears clothes made out of animal skin.
Rāmāyaṇa is not unique in this sense: many respected Hindu texts, including the Vedas, condone meat-eating and animal sacrifice. The vegetarianism in the modern Hindu society is a virtue borrowed from Buddhism and Jainism, and a relic of the times when these two sects had gained prominence.
ye kisko le aye bhai apne hisab se kuch bhi bolte he every podcast me .
Vo scholar hai Hindu scriptures pe..kitaabe likhi hai usne popatlal
scholar ha ya kitab likhe iska mtlap kuch bhi bolne ka right nehi he and mere samne bakwas karega ankh munke barosa nahi karta me. and dont tell your name "popatlal" i know that . @@Vk-sk7nm
@@samvtiger9892she knows about Vālmiki Rāmāyaṇa more than you
may be know that i dont denies that but twisting line and put in propoganda or put her own words that is purely unacceptable.
she told like leftist and who is excpert in that. and u r the team of army behind this popoganda or u r fully brainwashed??@@nirmalchandrabiswas6403
It’s the work of a bunch of DMK supporters from director to the actors …. They usually get funded by their connections in Tamil Nadu… film production works that way in TN, so the medium is open to put forward any narrative which they did and Stalin and DMK will keep supporting if it fits their agenda, it’s like in the 80’s and 90’s Bollywood when mafia money was the primary funding source…. The director, producer and actors are protected and provided new opportunities by DMK
९ साल की आइशा कॆ साथ सम्भॊग पर मुवी क्यॊ नही बनाई जाती है ?
बहु-बॆटी जैनाब कॆ साथ शादी पर फिल्म कब बनॆगी ?
Hindus/Sanatanis please don't start eating meat.....zabardasti price upar chala jayega....be as you are
I srill dont get it why people fight over eating habit if mythical cheacters .
To you it's mythical, To others it's real. If you don't care don't care that's your right. Just Iike it's the right of others to care..
Even country borders are imaginary but are we not fighting for it?
Mind your words mam don't say mythical for you it can be. Please don't hurt sentiments of people like me who believe in shree ram.
Can anyone can tell jesus christ or mohammed prophet or buddha as fictional or mythical no right they claim them as historical figure even there is no exact archeological proof of them. What is your problem when someone says shree ram as historical figure ?
Jesus Mohammad is real but Ram is mythical😂
Why can Jesus and other pedos be real and Ram and Buddha be mythical? hypocrisy :)
बहुत दुःख होता है देख के मूर्ख आकर बैठ जाएँगे और धर्म चर्चा गाल बजाएँगे, कुछ का कुछ प्रमाण देने लगेंगे। मतलब सर्वज्ञ ज्ञाता यही है। ब्रह्मणो से ऐसी घृणा है की बात ही नहीं सुननी । नीचे छंद है विश्वामित्र रचित राम रक्षा स्तोत्र से
फलमूलाशिनौ दान्तौ तापसौ ब्रह्मचारिणौ ।
पुत्रौ दशरथस्यैतौ भ्रातरौ रामलक्ष्मणौ ॥18॥
यहाँ आहार की बात की है फूल, फल, कंध और वनस्पतियाँ
As far as historical reality and authentic truth is concerned only Vālmiki Rāmāyaṇa will be considered rather than the later retellings versions legends which are mythological stories. Vālmiki Rāmāyaṇa itself is the only actual contemporary itihas of Sri Rāma unlike the stotra which you mentioned.
And according to Vālmiki Rāmāyaṇa itself, Sri Rāma was a non vegetarian
Again a Fal ka Guda type guy.
Just read Valmiki Râmâyana for historical facts not the remaining versions of Ram.
Will they ever show the example of Mohammed to show that we can marry a 9 year old ?
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This lady with half knowledge concludes persons who stick to Vedas eat non-veg. Probably she eats non-veg and concludes so. Worst she says Yagnas had animal sacrifices. All is only half knowledge.
Rig Veda doesn't 'condone' consumption of meat, it endorses it and prescribes animal sacrifice with meticulous rituals as offerings to the gods. Strict vegetarianism is non-Vedic, a later Brahminical addition mostly for Brahmins and Sanyasis. This current wave of forced vegetarianism has no real historical or religious background in Vedic culture. Eat whatever you wish to, Vedic people ate all kinds of meat, yes that one too. Animal sacrifice was a spiritual practice where it was believed the departed soul of the animal will carry the prayers of the people to the heavens, in this sense the animal was considered almost divine after the sacrificial death. The word 'medha' means killing/raw/cooked meat in different context. Hence ashwamedha jagna/ gomedha jagna. Read the text yourself and decide. You don't need no pundits or gurus or whatever telling you to do things. Be your own brain.
Stop lying !
Charavakas were ancient devotees of lord shiva.
Its a british fabrication that Charavakas were anti-vedic atheists.
There were absolutely no atheists or disbelievers in ancient India, everyone worshipped hindu gods in one form or the other!
Stop this nastika atheism lie 😡
One of the reference where Ram and Lakshman consumed meat during vanvas: Ayodhyakanda , sarga-52, slok- 102
तौ तत्र हत्वा चतुरो महामृगान्
वराहमृश्यं पृषतं महारुरुम्।
आदाय मेध्यं त्वरितं बुभुक्षितौ
वासाय काले ययतुर्वनस्पतिम्।।2.52.102।।
बुभुक्षितौ famished, तौ they, तत्र there, वराहम् a boar, ऋश्यम् a whitefooted male antelope, पृषतम् spotted deer, महारुरुम् a great deer with black stripes, चतुरः four, मृगान् animals, हत्वा killed, मेध्यम् pure meat, त्वरितम् quickly, आदाय partaking as food, काले in the evening, वासाय for rest, वनस्पतिम् under a tree, ययतुः reached.
Famished, they (Rama and Lakshmana) killed a boar, a rishya (whitefooted male antelope), a spotted deer and a great deer with black stripes. They partook the meat and reached a tree by evening where they rested for the night.
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