Awesome tour! We're a portable Church of about 400 and it gave me hope knowing a big church like this is doing the same things we are with a single board and waves soundgrid.
A tip for the waves tune that we are using in our local church. For each singer set a slightly different reference(HZ). For example you have 5 singers (3M 2F). Set one female to 439.5 and the other to 440.5.. For the males set one to 439.5, one to 440, and one to 440.5. It will create a disharmony therefore they will sound more natural, because in real life they would not be able to sing in 440 perfectly.
What a lovely tour! Thanks so much for allowing us to understand a bit more about the technical operations of Victory Church. Towards the end of the video, I believe that perhaps Chris mistook an RME converter for an SSL interface. But with so many variables in such an intricate system, I’m sure I wouldn’t be able to remember all the details either. With that aside, may God continue to bless your ministries and may we remember to smile (as indicated by the poster backstage) because our work as Church Sound Techs is really helping to change lives through an engaging delivery of the gospel.
Great setup and love the gear, however, Berhinger, SUCKS! literally put in anything else. And the fact that a lot of churches are putting it in because they are cheap, and they ARE CHEAP! also if you have never done digital mixing before, Berhinger is the perfect way for people to run away from digital back to analog. If an end user buys a Berhinger X32 for the first time and has never patched anything in the digital realm before, they are destined to have a horrible mix, and experience, and have no business going to digital.
Thanks for the comment man. I disagree that in general, Behringer sucks. But there is one exception: the X32. I was cringing when I bought one to test it out. Now I have been using it for 7+ years with great results - and it has always been reliable. I am still shocked. Lol.
@@collabworship Well I agree, they are fine when you get over the hurdle of the initial setup and routing. Probably has everything to do with the fact that Midas bought Berhinger. So the quality has got a little better
The converter at minute 29:00 is not an SSL. Thats an RME Madiface. I assume he converting tracks to MADI and sending to FOH that way. Really great solution for maintaining highest fidelity. RME makes incredible products. I also saw in the booth what looked like an RME UCX II.
I love that you were able to get that sound without a separate broadcast mix. Great job, what stand are you using for your acer monitors one on top of the other to save space.
I saw all the buttons and computer screens and froze lol. Most of that was a few miles over my head lol. But it was a good video to show it doesn’t need to be a huge team.
HARD disagree on stereo mixes not being "necessary". Humans naturally hear in stereo, and panning is what helps having cleaner mixes. Mono mixes get cluttered, especially when a vocalist is trying to hear other BGVs so they can match harmonies.
For sure, I totally understand haha. It was a decision that myself and our worship pastor agreed on together mostly for budgetary reasons. Big churches have budgets too lol. When we did live recordings we rented more IEM's to provide stereo mixes.
Nice tour, good video and great explanation 👍 question; We use Waves Tuning Live for many years now and always use it in the chromatic mode. Never had any issues with it. I don't understand why people need the scale switch. When you have pretty decent vocals the tuning only has to do some fine-tuning. Also there are not many song which only has a melody in one scale completely (so without incidental flats and sharps). Would like to know what your opinion / experience is on this matter
Using scale mode definitely makes way for more accuracy in correction. But you're right, when you have accurate vocals to begin with, the chromatic mode works great. We actually use chromatic mode as well and it works great.
For a church this large, I’d usually expect to have two different consoles. And both volunteer positions. But I guess with a paid employee you can expect someone to be able to mix both.
Surprisingly, I've now been to two of the largest churches in Tulsa (one of which being Church on the Move where audio legend Andrew Stone used to mix) and both create their live stream mix from the room mix.
Awesome video. How does Victory bring their bus mix from the Waves program to a computer for streaming? Right now I use waves into an X32, then through a bus mix out the soundboard into a Scarlett audio interface, which then feeds into a computer for streaming. I feel though, the clarity of the sound is not the best. Is it maybe the audio interface is not good enough for all the data running through it? Any advice would be helpful, thanks!
Not entirely sure on the signal chain that Victory has for their live stream mix. We use a scarlett interface for ours though and don't have any issues. That shouldn't be the issue in sound quality.
My church have lots of echo so the in-house sound mix is way different from the online. So, do you guys suggest I do all pre fader and have a volunteer take over the live sound? thanks!
If a post-fader mix just isn't working in your situation, yes, a pre-fader mix is a good solution. And definitely best to have two volunteers at that point. One for the room mix. One for the live stream mix.
This goes to show at most churches we waste a lot of money. Mega church, One engineer, bus mixes, one sound board. Just because the church can afford it doesn't mean that's a good way to waste money when it can be done very simply at great cost and quality. I simply love this.
I believe it does seat up to 5,000 when the upper section is opened up. They keep it draped off for normal Sunday services. That's probably where the 3,400 comes from.
Hi, I'm a new subscriber and I love you all's channel. How do you guys pick churches to tour? I would love for you guys to tour my church in Huntsville Alabama. I know they have some pretty cool things and I'm curious about some of equipment they use. The name of the Church is the Oakwood University Church on the Campus of Oakwood University.
Right now, we are just sticking to our area here in Oklahoma. But we'll be sure to write down your church name in case we start venturing out to other states!
In my church it’s impossible to use one mixer for front house and broadcasting in the same time. I need one for FH and one separate for broadcast. If you have chance to mix one time any romanian church service you will understand me!
Sorry, I am having problem to explain my self. Because of the style of church programs it’s impossible for one guy to do the sound for church and broadcast. We have large brass band, large choir and orchestra and every service 2 or 3 band playing on the same service. We have a lot of things spontaneously happening on the stage. To run everything good we need 2 people with two mixers. One for church and one for broadcast.
Thanks so much for the vocal chain. Already using most of those so that gives me some confidence that we’re going in the right direction. Interested in your waves snare chain if possible?
A question I would love to ask... How does a FOH engineer monitor a broadcast mix? Maybe he doesn't, and just trusts it sounds good based on the preconfiguration?
For me, I take wireless headphones like airpods and bring up the livestream briefly on my phone during songs to make sure it sounds ok when I feel safe to ignore main mix for a few seconds. But I set the livestream mix to post fader, meaning the channels follow fader changes I make for the main mix too like bringing certain singers up and down. Not perfect but you can get it pretty good.
Hey Ian - We use a pair of headphones to dial in the mix during rehearsal. Then, we just trust it will sound good during the service. Since most everything is post-fader, the online mix follows the room mix and 9 times out of 10, it sounds great.
Hey Ian, I'd be happy to answer that. Our mix for the stream has developed over time and I would listen over headphones and immediately following a service, I would play it in my truck. The key was listening to it in the same environment consistently. After doing that over a long period (years) the mix was established in such a way that I became one with it in a sense. I would ask my wife at home, the guys in video and even our pastor who was watching from the green room their thoughts and their feedback was very helpful.
Although our goal shouldn't be to put on a good show, our goal should be to serve with excellence. Two different motivations that produce a similar result. So, before criticizing a church for being too "professional", first take time to determine their motivation. :)
It’s so sad how people wan’t church things to be so basic and minimalistic and think that is worshipping God but when you look back in the Old Testament the house of God was filled with the more refined gold and silver and God loved it. I just feel like people have been brainwashed by false preaching or false revelations that say better things are for the world and not the church. Personally l feel like the church can do 10 times better than a worldly concert can do
Hello. How stable is x32? Does it shots off during the service? Any chance you cons? We are looking to buy one but not sure yet. Is m32 a better option? Thank you in advance! 🙏
We've been using the X32 at my church for more than five years now. It has never failed. Not one time. The M32 is a great option too. It runs the same software, but has slightly better preamps and better hardware (faders, knobs).
@@aleks_color Definitely an intersting mixer. But, haven't taken the plunge yet. Getting great results from the X32, so not a lot of motivation to get the Wing.
@@collabworship Thank you so much. I've been watching your videos and I have some of your cheat sheets. I like how simple you keep everything. However, almost all your tutorials are based on the X32. We have an Allen & Heath QU-24 at our church. Do you have any tutorials for that console please?
Hey great question, SSL stage racks allow us to split via madi off the stage rack. One console has to be the master, one the slave. In our situation we chose to make the monitor console the slave due to the way updates work and wiring to the stage racks.
You do the pop on stage into a mic and record the mic and the audience mics into a DAW. Then you add delay to the mic or the overall broadcast mix to time-align it with the furthest audience mic. This video explains it more: ruclips.net/video/lmJC4S7N9Zw/видео.html&feature=share
what should I study to understand and learn this area, mix/sound tables/frequencies/production, and audio in general I love this musical/production area and would like to specialize
Hey Fernando - Best thing you can do is subscribe to our email list and we will send you helpful resources 1-2 times per week. Subscribe here: collaborate-worship.ck.page/b77b3798c9
An hour of or more of music concert in a dark sanctuary and probably a 15 minute sermon .. that’s not worshiping our creator... it’s pathetic.. no victory I see there...
Your assumption is pathetic. You should go watch some of their services before you make such a judgement. They are one of the few large churches that continue to preach truth.
I’m sorry but one of those ROE LED wall panels costs like $5K EACH (they have hundreds) and you can’t buy a couple transmitters so everyone can be uniform in stereo?
Awesome tour! We're a portable Church of about 400 and it gave me hope knowing a big church like this is doing the same things we are with a single board and waves soundgrid.
Awesome!
How much was waves soundgrid to setup ?
As a solo sound engineer I can’t Like this video enough👍🏾🙏🏾
👍
Say it again!! we get way too carried away with this stuff, at some point is it even justifiable anymore... I love love love this video.
Well he’s not really “Solo” he has a monitor engineer… but impressive nonetheless!
A tip for the waves tune that we are using in our local church. For each singer set a slightly different reference(HZ). For example you have 5 singers (3M 2F). Set one female to 439.5 and the other to 440.5.. For the males set one to 439.5, one to 440, and one to 440.5. It will create a disharmony therefore they will sound more natural, because in real life they would not be able to sing in 440 perfectly.
Cool tip. Thanks!
What a lovely tour! Thanks so much for allowing us to understand a bit more about the technical operations of Victory Church. Towards the end of the video, I believe that perhaps Chris mistook an RME converter for an SSL interface. But with so many variables in such an intricate system, I’m sure I wouldn’t be able to remember all the details either. With that aside, may God continue to bless your ministries and may we remember to smile (as indicated by the poster backstage) because our work as Church Sound Techs is really helping to change lives through an engaging delivery of the gospel.
Amen!
You are correct, it’s an RME interface. 😆
@@christrowbridge8779 hey Chris! Any way to reach you outside of RUclips? I had some questions about our system!
You can message Chris on his Instagram: instagram.com/bridgeavl/
Great stuff here fellas. 👍🏻
Thanks man!
Ladies and Gentlemen… The Ryland Russell! 🔥🙌
Great setup and love the gear, however, Berhinger, SUCKS! literally put in anything else. And the fact that a lot of churches are putting it in because they are cheap, and they ARE CHEAP! also if you have never done digital mixing before, Berhinger is the perfect way for people to run away from digital back to analog. If an end user buys a Berhinger X32 for the first time and has never patched anything in the digital realm before, they are destined to have a horrible mix, and experience, and have no business going to digital.
Thanks for the comment man. I disagree that in general, Behringer sucks. But there is one exception: the X32. I was cringing when I bought one to test it out. Now I have been using it for 7+ years with great results - and it has always been reliable. I am still shocked. Lol.
@@collabworship Well I agree, they are fine when you get over the hurdle of the initial setup and routing. Probably has everything to do with the fact that Midas bought Berhinger. So the quality has got a little better
The converter at minute 29:00 is not an SSL. Thats an RME Madiface. I assume he converting tracks to MADI and sending to FOH that way. Really great solution for maintaining highest fidelity. RME makes incredible products. I also saw in the booth what looked like an RME UCX II.
Yes thank you for correcting me, it is an RME
@@christrowbridge8779 yessir! Great video and really love your setup and workflow for your church. 🙌🏼
His RUclips is “audio with Rodlin”
I love that you were able to get that sound without a separate broadcast mix.
Great job, what stand are you using for your acer monitors one on top of the other to save space.
Hey thanks! The mount is just a dual arm monitor mount from monoprice👍🏽
This is how I do it in my church. It is even better than using two board
👏👏👏
What did you think was the coolest detail at Victory? Are there any details we missed that you'd like to see?
I'm going to try that ballon trick!
@@Worship.Resources Right! Same.
I saw all the buttons and computer screens and froze lol. Most of that was a few miles over my head lol. But it was a good video to show it doesn’t need to be a huge team.
@Mike Simek Haha! No doubt.
@@mikesimek6448 Thanks! Be sure to check out our Perfect LIVE Vocals webinar where Kade simplifies vocal processing: my.demio.com/ref/JhPwEIWPZSz04RP0
HARD disagree on stereo mixes not being "necessary". Humans naturally hear in stereo, and panning is what helps having cleaner mixes. Mono mixes get cluttered, especially when a vocalist is trying to hear other BGVs so they can match harmonies.
Totally get it, Johnny. I wouldn't want to sing without a stereo mix either. -Kade
For sure, I totally understand haha. It was a decision that myself and our worship pastor agreed on together mostly for budgetary reasons. Big churches have budgets too lol. When we did live recordings we rented more IEM's to provide stereo mixes.
Nice tour, good video and great explanation 👍 question; We use Waves Tuning Live for many years now and always use it in the chromatic mode. Never had any issues with it. I don't understand why people need the scale switch. When you have pretty decent vocals the tuning only has to do some fine-tuning. Also there are not many song which only has a melody in one scale completely (so without incidental flats and sharps). Would like to know what your opinion / experience is on this matter
Using scale mode definitely makes way for more accuracy in correction. But you're right, when you have accurate vocals to begin with, the chromatic mode works great. We actually use chromatic mode as well and it works great.
This video is a great reminder that I know so little haha great video though!
There's always something new to learn. That's the beauty of running sound. :)
Instrument techs need to tidy up the cables. An on-wall shoe holder would save a lot of floor space for the mics and packs.
Can we get model of the column speaker in front of the pulpit?
For a church this large, I’d usually expect to have two different consoles. And both volunteer positions.
But I guess with a paid employee you can expect someone to be able to mix both.
Surprisingly, I've now been to two of the largest churches in Tulsa (one of which being Church on the Move where audio legend Andrew Stone used to mix) and both create their live stream mix from the room mix.
The way they run their processing for vocals is almost just how I did it at my church but then they changed it to be more like Bethel’s. 😑
Rock on!
It was awesome to get to tour your church! Thanks to all of you for being so hospitable. - Dillon
Awesome video. How does Victory bring their bus mix from the Waves program to a computer for streaming? Right now I use waves into an X32, then through a bus mix out the soundboard into a Scarlett audio interface, which then feeds into a computer for streaming. I feel though, the clarity of the sound is not the best. Is it maybe the audio interface is not good enough for all the data running through it? Any advice would be helpful, thanks!
Not entirely sure on the signal chain that Victory has for their live stream mix. We use a scarlett interface for ours though and don't have any issues. That shouldn't be the issue in sound quality.
I am so glad i came across on this video, audience mic is very helpful thanks
Thank you for taking the time to explain why and how to time delay audience mics!
We also have a dedicated video on it: ruclips.net/video/EbJcAQSXKf8/видео.htmlsi=lguWhTEPW1Ic7flp
My church have lots of echo so the in-house sound mix is way different from the online. So, do you guys suggest I do all pre fader and have a volunteer take over the live sound?
thanks!
If a post-fader mix just isn't working in your situation, yes, a pre-fader mix is a good solution. And definitely best to have two volunteers at that point. One for the room mix. One for the live stream mix.
This goes to show at most churches we waste a lot of money. Mega church, One engineer, bus mixes, one sound board. Just because the church can afford it doesn't mean that's a good way to waste money when it can be done very simply at great cost and quality. I simply love this.
Agreed!
What are the adapters on the talk back mic of the bassist and drummer, I'm guessing it has something to do with proximity
It’s called an Optogate👍🏽
Doesn't the auditorium seat 5,000? He said about 3,400.
I believe it does seat up to 5,000 when the upper section is opened up. They keep it draped off for normal Sunday services. That's probably where the 3,400 comes from.
It actually seats 3400 and some change.
Hi, I'm a new subscriber and I love you all's channel. How do you guys pick churches to tour? I would love for you guys to tour my church in Huntsville Alabama. I know they have some pretty cool things and I'm curious about some of equipment they use. The name of the Church is the Oakwood University Church on the Campus of Oakwood University.
Right now, we are just sticking to our area here in Oklahoma. But we'll be sure to write down your church name in case we start venturing out to other states!
@@collabworship Awesome can’t wait for that day. Praying for the growth of your channel
I've been hearing about waves. Can someone explain 😊
Waves is a brand of plugins for audio processing. Learn all about it here: www.waves.com/
I use "the clap" for time alignment. Especially effective for vlogging and even studio work. Drums get time aligned to the snare.
Thanks for the tip, James!
the engineer sounds like jayZ
😂
What is the software to manage the plugins he uses?
Waves SoundGrid SuperRack. You can get it here: imp.i114863.net/za7j3e
Can someone break down the balloon thing step by step. I got lost
Hey Garfield - We plan to do a video on this. Stay tuned.
Very nice, in my church is impossible to happened, one mixer for FH and Broadcasting !
What mixer?
In my church it’s impossible to use one mixer for front house and broadcasting in the same time. I need one for FH and one separate for broadcast. If you have chance to mix one time any romanian church service you will understand me!
@@florin1290 tell me what mixer is been having.
Sorry, I am having problem to explain my self. Because of the style of church programs it’s impossible for one guy to do the sound for church and broadcast.
We have large brass band, large choir and orchestra and every service 2 or 3 band playing on the same service.
We have a lot of things spontaneously happening on the stage. To run everything good we need 2 people with two mixers. One for church and one for broadcast.
Thanks so much for the vocal chain. Already using most of those so that gives me some confidence that we’re going in the right direction. Interested in your waves snare chain if possible?
Snare chain is a 76 to F6 to Torque
F6 is a dynamic EQ
🔥great video sir
Thank you!
A question I would love to ask... How does a FOH engineer monitor a broadcast mix? Maybe he doesn't, and just trusts it sounds good based on the preconfiguration?
For me, I take wireless headphones like airpods and bring up the livestream briefly on my phone during songs to make sure it sounds ok when I feel safe to ignore main mix for a few seconds. But I set the livestream mix to post fader, meaning the channels follow fader changes I make for the main mix too like bringing certain singers up and down. Not perfect but you can get it pretty good.
Hey Ian - We use a pair of headphones to dial in the mix during rehearsal. Then, we just trust it will sound good during the service. Since most everything is post-fader, the online mix follows the room mix and 9 times out of 10, it sounds great.
Hey Ian, I'd be happy to answer that. Our mix for the stream has developed over time and I would listen over headphones and immediately following a service, I would play it in my truck. The key was listening to it in the same environment consistently. After doing that over a long period (years) the mix was established in such a way that I became one with it in a sense. I would ask my wife at home, the guys in video and even our pastor who was watching from the green room their thoughts and their feedback was very helpful.
Awesome tour; thanks!!!
please teach us how to setup sub woofers in cardoid arrangement
2 forward facing, one rear facing in-between the 2 front facing subs.
this isn't even church anymore, this is all about the performance
When the message is weak you need more attractions
Although our goal shouldn't be to put on a good show, our goal should be to serve with excellence. Two different motivations that produce a similar result. So, before criticizing a church for being too "professional", first take time to determine their motivation. :)
You should take some time to watch the messages from Victory Church. They are far from weak.
It’s so sad how people wan’t church things to be so basic and minimalistic and think that is worshipping God but when you look back in the Old Testament the house of God was filled with the more refined gold and silver and God loved it. I just feel like people have been brainwashed by false preaching or false revelations that say better things are for the world and not the church. Personally l feel like the church can do 10 times better than a worldly concert can do
You’re just speaking the devil word. Maybe you should go one Sunday! So you can find some healing
Und was ist es Zeit mit Theo
Awesome❤❤❤
Was that a Meyer Sound PA that they didn’t like and want to replace?!
Looks like a soundbridge PA
@@daviddescheneaux9194 ding ding ding😄
D&B or L-Acoustic would be killer in there.
@@jpridgard5687 yes it would😉
@@daviddescheneaux9194 Soundbridge? There's a name I haven't heard in a while... I didn't even know they made line arrays.
I want to know what speakers they are running
SoundBridge XYON
Instagram link doesn’t work.
He changed his username. Here's the correct profile: instagram.com/bridgeavl/
what is the name of track u used in back ground at 30:31 Outro🔥🔥🔥
The song is called "Elecrolytes" and it's by Timothy Infinite. www.epidemicsound.com/track/58h5HtCiMi/
@@collabworship thnx 😴👌🏽🎶
big budgets in churches
Regardless of budget, great sound is possible. Don't let the big budget of larger churches tell you otherwise. :)
Hello. How stable is x32? Does it shots off during the service? Any chance you cons? We are looking to buy one but not sure yet. Is m32 a better option? Thank you in advance! 🙏
We've been using the X32 at my church for more than five years now. It has never failed. Not one time. The M32 is a great option too. It runs the same software, but has slightly better preamps and better hardware (faders, knobs).
@@collabworship thank you.
@@collabworship Happy Wednesday! What do you think about a behringer Wing board? Did you try it by the chance?
@@aleks_color Definitely an intersting mixer. But, haven't taken the plunge yet. Getting great results from the X32, so not a lot of motivation to get the Wing.
@@collabworship copy. Thank you!
What console do they use? I listened but I didn't hear it. Maybe I missed it. Thank you. Very informative for sure.
It's an SSL Live L500. Glad you liked it!
@@collabworship Thank you so much. I've been watching your videos and I have some of your cheat sheets. I like how simple you keep everything. However, almost all your tutorials are based on the X32. We have an Allen & Heath QU-24 at our church. Do you have any tutorials for that console please?
@@homeenforcer At this time, we have nothing that is QU-specific. But, most everything on the X32 should be fairly easy to translate to the QU-24.
@AnuEnukwe I view the QU as one console with a simple workflow compared to the X32. Qu is more straightforward.
Execellent video 👍 I may have missed it...are they running Dante or MADI to SSL Snakes to another SSL console in Online world?
How does he split the vocals for the in ear and yet have different mixes
Most likely, everything is plugged into a digital snake and then sent to the two separate mixers via ethernet.
Hey great question, SSL stage racks allow us to split via madi off the stage rack. One console has to be the master, one the slave. In our situation we chose to make the monitor console the slave due to the way updates work and wiring to the stage racks.
@@christrowbridge8779 Thank you.
Is there is tutorial showing me how to do this?
awesome vid thanks!
Welcome!
Do I pop the ballon on stage or at FOh?
You do the pop on stage into a mic and record the mic and the audience mics into a DAW. Then you add delay to the mic or the overall broadcast mix to time-align it with the furthest audience mic. This video explains it more:
ruclips.net/video/lmJC4S7N9Zw/видео.html&feature=share
@@collabworship so you can’t do this live? I saw that video and it confused my whole life 😂😂😂
On a mic on stage🤘🏽
What city is this in?
Tulsa, Oklahoma
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
🙌🙌
what should I study to understand and learn this area, mix/sound tables/frequencies/production, and audio in general I love this musical/production area and would like to specialize
Hey Fernando - Best thing you can do is subscribe to our email list and we will send you helpful resources 1-2 times per week. Subscribe here: collaborate-worship.ck.page/b77b3798c9
An hour of or more of music concert in a dark sanctuary and probably a 15 minute sermon .. that’s not worshiping our creator... it’s pathetic.. no victory I see there...
Your assumption is pathetic. You should go watch some of their services before you make such a judgement. They are one of the few large churches that continue to preach truth.
I’m sorry but one of those ROE LED wall panels costs like $5K EACH (they have hundreds) and you can’t buy a couple transmitters so everyone can be uniform in stereo?
Everyone has different budget priorities.
Lol, apparently we've struck a nerve!
This is amazing a tour
Thank you!