I fucking love Thunder God, it saddens me that people will literally leave the duty if they see it's orbonne monastery. I really whish there were more fights like it. Endwalker alliance raids have been really cool aesthetically, but really disappointing mechanically
My main issue is I don't feel like they give these bosses enough HP. Apparently people are skipping or almost skipping mechanics week 1? That should never happen. The HP issue I know has been a criticism since Aglaia too, so either that feedback somehow just never reached the devs or they disagree with the criticism for some odd reason. Outside of that, I would have liked Oschon to get his own theme. I know Soken is probably busy with Dawntrail music, but Oschon should not have had the same generic theme the first 2 bosses had.
THIS! 24 mans are some of my favorite content in the game and I barely get any time to enjoy it for what it actually is before we're skipping the already easy asf mechanics 😂 like damn the thing just came out!
This was a reversal from Yoko Taro pitching a fit because the Neir alliance raids were skipping all the mechanics, like the first one should be quicker to plow through, but they added a bunch of HP because of him. Now its like they went the opposite direction. Fully unimpressed with the last boss here, though. Also was thoroughly unimpressed with the last raid boss, was expecting more and they didn't deliver with Athena, I think I would have liked it better if there was a boss that actually summoned gods individually, the amalgamation boss was mid at best.
I'd believe this tale more if you mentioned Savage groups or even above average coordination, if the average composite ilvl is just about minimal, of course people wouldn't be skipping mechanics.
SE started leaning into pre-designing content early since stormblood, so the feedback for things like eureka, criterion, or alliance raids doesn't actually get implemented until the 3rd installment of them I guess for this one they thought the difficulty was fine
Didn't Nier have several three party splits, at least in the first two raids? I thought those were pretty good. This alliance raid series however only has one occasion where the groups are encouraged to split, that being one of Halone's mechanics in Euphrosyne.
Second boss of Copied Factory has a raid split that functionally just means groups can't Raise each other while doing slightly different mechanics. I'm not sure what happens if a group wipes on their platform. First boss of Puppet's Bunker has each group kind of doing their own thing, but there's not really anything you can mess up that affects other groups other than full wiping and having stack AoEs drop on other groups. Second boss of Puppet's Bunker has the raid split between three bosses with lasers you can aim at other groups if you're feeling like a little mid raid PvP. Third boss of Paradigm's Breach has groups split up for that little hacking mini-fight. But yeah, I think he means stuff like Thunder God's Dusk Blade where if each group doesn't do their thing it can wipe everyone? So everyone, or at least 6/8 of each group, has to be competent to clear.
actually not true@@Soliwre the 2nd boss in copied that split the parties on rotating platforms- you can indeed raise in other parties as long as they are in range & they raise on their own platform, not on you. i've raised people there several times
I think what happened is that Stormblood MSQ was bad but the patches built up were great. With Endwalker the MSQ was great but the patches after were bad, its like they flipped somehow.
I agree with most of the criticisms. The one positive thing I really loved about the new 24 man was the way Lymlaen's battlefield changed. Was a really cool mechanic. To a lesser extent Thaliak's. Reminded me of how good Byregot's fight was.
Except the 3 alliance mechs missing it's not really objective criticism tho. It's just subjective if you like the new one or not. I for one love it and it's my fav of the 3 also favorite BGM. Like it's fine but Arthars tends to make statement that seem like facts and I don't agree on this take with e.g. the music here
After seeing the reward for the 7 lynx. I've just accepted that the "uwu evrithink greejt" community has just won. They gonna bring the bare minimum and know those longtime players will stick with the game no matter what
Yeah the copium community is strong man. I was running around nabaath areng for MSQ and saw a couple of players write in shout chat how good the MSQ is (the current patch quests) and I'm like, I mean, bless your soul, but this shit is honestly some of the worst writing this game has had since stormblood 4.0
@@ridleyroid9060 fr, when ryne came on screen i was like "and now shes gonna mention coffee biscuits", lo and behold what does she mention! (multiple times too) please get new jokes/material its like the thing where a charatcer mentions they like peaches so now every fanart or fanfic ever has peaches in, so boring
@@ridleyroid9060 I was actually really liking the void story... until it turned into yet another 'do a thing or the world blows up' kind of story. We just had shadow... then end... then post-end... all of them being 'do a thing or the world blows up'. I mean even post-shadow was fairly 'do a thing or the world blows up'-y, I'm happy they are getting a new writer. This one seems to be stuck in a loop at the moment.
I was hoping for a big cat or a mega cat but I get stuck with a dragon which feels more accurate for the shadowbringers stuff. But I'll collect it anyways cuz I collect mounts, just disappointed in the choice.
im just glad they acknowledged gaia and unulkaihai tbh since in 7.0 when we go to the first none of it is mentioned. i didn't think the story was necessarily bad. just resolved way too quick. felt like a self contained ffiv side story. so the build up to the next expansion is mehh compared to other expansions. but for a finale it did feel underwhelming i will say
One thing I surely noticed, is that the theme when fighting the last boss of the 24 man raid, is a leitmotif of the EW's 8 man raid. I think it was Pandæmonium where you fight the warden. Given on what was revealed by the end of the raid, and if you did the optional sidequests in Elpis, the music is thematically on point, problem is, not a lot of people caught that probably, so that's maybe the reason why it did not "hit" people.
Soken does leitmotif really well, but I don't think it made end boss here, the whole end boss design was meh. I would have preferred them summon gods individually, maybe two or three at a time. That would have felt more like an end boss. Athena didn't fell like end boss either, so oh well.
@@Gee-xb7rt I agree, though I never did savage, I am mostly an observer of my FC's static when they stream the encounter, I do think that though the mechanics were decent, the fight design visually kinda missed the mark for me. I also agree that the last encounter in the 24 man felt like it got put together rather quickly.
@@undercoverspy123 Did not say the boss Athena was not thematically perfect. I'm saying that the fight was visually underwhelming in my opinion. I'd even argue that in terms of boss design, Brute Justice is better than Athena.
Even though I love the Nier Raids, Ivalice was so superior. I love running those raids over and over again even though rotations are a snoozefest. The more chaos, the better.
Yea, this last set of gods felt easier. The last boss is probably fun, but its base mechanic of slap'n'dash is too braindead, other than that the 3 gods were too easy after a 2nd run after fresh blind. Euphrosyne" was the superior 24m raid and Halone is still the most fun
Ivalice was a maaster piece for sure. I remember wiping so many times to Thunder god (befoire nerf) and the last boss was so much fun. The Twelve only has one new mechanic... at least they can mesh up all other mechanics at the same time instead of one by one.
Though I agree, that 3-party mechanics have been reduced, the first two NIER raids each had bosses, where we had to fight seperately. Just saying. 2:18 --- I sadly agree... Though my disappoint was also that we werent even fighting "real" gods... only constructs... improved lopporits if you will...
The raid was visually stunning but no great music as you said and the final fight was incredibly underwhelming. Not even a special cutscene or a phase transition. Nothing.
this is what everyone has been saying for the past few months. "story" content is EXTREMELY watered down in Endwalker when you put it up to content in the past. these last three 24s have been a joke when you look at the difficulty of Nier.
@@Irisfantasiesnier on release was challenging, had new mechanics, and was engaging. Endwalker 24 man's are the complete opposite. That's the point. Literally all previous expansion content is a joke due to ilvl and potency changes.
@@Irisfantasies i would actually lke a hard for jothing content just so it feels like i worked how to get whst i wanted and also my firdt nier experience was fun but right now to me bojzia raids feels more like a alliance raid than the ones from endwalker
For me, the 24 man dungeon that made me fell in love with the dungeon mechanics was The Ridorana Lighthouse dungeon. I freaking love all 3 dungeons but sadly when I switched home world for better ping (from NA to JP then to Oceanic server) it was such a rare thing to get into those dungeons
what's also bad about the final boss is there are no new mechs, basically just got lazy and slapped together the other gods mechs, cleared it first go with a full set of pugs
This is the first comment I emphatically disagree with. First off, it's thematic for them to recycle the other mechanics, since it's literally all 12 bosses combined into one entity. But they combined the mechanics so that you'd have to do 2 at once most times, which makes for a unique challenge. It's basically asking you to remember what each mechanic did while also worrying about anoither mechanic at the same time. It also has a new mechanic in the form of lining up several donut/cleave AoEs and forcing you to memorize what order they come out in.
I really do agree on the Music part, not to say its was bad but it was underwhelming given how well the previous songs were... i mean even if it was on tight time constraint , they should have just made a Mashup medley of the previous songs that would be much better
Endwalkers state I feel is directly linked to 16. By pulling resources from xiv to develop xvi CB3 put out 2 very mid products. Both have a lot of good but just not enough to make them special.
I remember when Yoshi-P said that Thaliak was a scholar, so his mechanics would test you intellectually. And then it was just "Don't stand on the triangles. Don't let the walls fall on you. Tidal Wave from Shinryu." I expected a lot more! I also had a more minor gripe on the visual standpoint: why are almost all of the Twelve just "regular humans"? Nald'thal was the only one that felt like he had a really creative design, and then the rest were pretty bog-standard. I don't mind some of them being that way, but I would've liked more interesting designs which could have lent themselves to more interesting mechanics.
If I don't die repeatedly in an entire 24man raid, I don't like it. It's super pretty tho 😅 Much prettier than the previous one but it feels like they thought putting all their faith in making it pretty would carry the raid.
I've thought all the mechanics are too simple and straightforward WHILE being undertuned. You could SKIP Nald'thals balance phase/cutscene, the CLIMAX of the fight, with good dps in 6.4. That is beyond insane to me. Come 7.0, new players will never get to see that cutscene if nothing is done about it. I have to wonder if square realizes that a lot of players enjoy the fun and chaos of day 1 alliance raids and mass wipes. Day 1 thunder god and contruct 7 were actually a blast, and I was disappointed I didn't really get that with myths of the realm.
You know Ive done the new 24m raid like 4 times now and i still dont remember what the 12s theme was, the balance and dedicated to moonlight I can remember vividly and I havent ran those dungeons in months.
Heavensward had basically no content past the MSQ compared to this expansion lol. Rose-tinted glasses and nostalgia. No ultimates, less raid content, no exploratory zone as well, obviously no criterion/variant as well, Relic was a similiar tomestone grind, no casual content like island, housing was even more exlusive.... etc.
The final boss was never going to have a poppy up beat song if you read the dialogue going up to this raid. Its very somber. The gods saying how proud they are and reminiscing on their lives as gods. It was always going to be an epic orchestra piece to send off the 12. I dont understand that disappointment.
Ivalice is some of my favorite content for a lot of reasons. But it also required me to use my brain a lot more than the content I had done before, and that's what led me into doing savage content
The copium thinking something will get different and better in 7.0, for me I think they just realized where the money lies and are all full swing towards these people, the AFK ones. The last phase of this fight for me was so bad, no transition, no adds, nothing, just the bare minimum mechanics, absolutely nothing new, and the amount of markers during the entire raid, the game just forget to play the game for me, I felt like this was a normal mode for a savage/extreme stuff, because of the amount of mechanic markers and mechanics that could have a variation and more stuff, the last boss they got so lazy that they added one "original mechanic" that was the dash, but everything else was just copy paste.
Personally, I found the last two raids, Euphrosyne and Thalia, to be relatively uninspiring in terms of mechanics. They seemed to rely heavily on visuals, and even the progression inside Thalia felt odd. Between the 1st boss and the 3rd boss, you only walk a few meters through these small areas with nothing but visuals. I found the overall progression of the Thalia raid to be the most unevenly designed I've ever seen. Even the final boss is just a recycling of the 3D skeleton from Eden 12, and they haven't done anything better in terms of design; it feels like they simply copied the conceptual design from the E12 fight. Ultima the High Seraph had a similar system in phase 1, but the rest of the fight was unique. Here, nothing feels unique; it's all recycled. Most of the mechanics feel tired, and the developers have cluttered the screen with unnecessary icons and directional arrows, making it seem like they think we're children who need hand-holding to cross the street. I'm sorry, but this raid design was subpar. The mechanics rarely lead to any challenging moments, and from a mechanical perspective, it was all just recycling. If the game continues with this excessive recycling and imperceptible difficulty, it will become increasingly mediocre, even though it's not mediocre yet (but it's heading in that direction).
Nier start the trend? Weird, puppet bunker have 2 bosses and 1 trash mobs that use 3 party mechanics the factory 1 boss. SB ridorana has none, in rabanastre 2 trash mobs use it and orbonne 1 trash mob and 1 boss
Tbh, I was really looking forward to this Araid, and while the first two fights were pretty good, the third and last fight were pretty mid. Though, honestly, all of Endwalker has felt pretty mid and more like a placeholder/filler expansion, then a full expansion like Heavensward, Stormsblood, and Shadowbringers. 6.0 story was pretty good, though it was a bit slow getting going, but it finished off pretty well, however, then we get into the patch story and it quickly became a snoozefest. Plus, no EX trial questline like the Warring Triad, relic wep is just a tome weapon, raid tier is pretty mid, criterion was kind of a bust, no exploratory zone like Eureka, and while the Araid started off decently strong, it did finish on a pretty mid note. I'm praying that the reason Endwalker has felt this way was because of FF16 and because they are going all out on 7.0, I know that is major copium, but I can dream lol.
the sad thing is that Chemtrail is looking like the summer break arc where nothing really important happens and everything is filler and slice of life. at least we get taco cat....
It's not major copium, it's a logical conclusion to reach. Remember, EW was delayed for a while because of both Covid and FF16 development (there was a significant content drought at the end of ShB, FF only saw healthy numbers because of WoW refugees), and we know that FF16 development started around StB. The team was split to the detriment of both games, even with getting outside help from other studios, FF16 also ended up being delayed. Most criticisms about EW are fair though, and I agree with this last alliance tier specifically. They shouldn't have that probably with Dawntrail, but we'll see if they deliver. Personally I still have content to do since I unsubbed after EW initial launch, and only recently subbed back.
I don't think there is anything wrong with the Myths of the Realm alliance raids, specifically Thaleia. I think the content repetition and subsequent content drought (which most people aren't even affected by, but they just like to repeat the opinions of their favorite streamers that have played for years) is exaggerating the minor issues with this raid and is giving content creators a free video idea that causes mild drama and gets them a ton of views (Good for them, make that bread) People whine and moan about the lack of difficulty in this alliance raid and compare it to other Araids difficulty and mechs and I'm just wondering, what difficulty are you expecting in an instance with 24 fucking people in it, usually more than half being able to revive other players and damage the boss away from mechanics. Most other Araids have entirely too many add rooms were you just mindlessly kill mobs and sigh until you make it to the next boss. The multi-alliance mechs have never been that interesting to me and I find it more fun to just have all 24 players going up against some thematic, huge boss like a fight straight out of an anime. I've seen people talk about the nier raid mechs in this comment section and the splitting up parts of it, but it's literally just a small group of players doing a brain dead rotation on a miniboss that hits the tank like a wet noodle and does pathetic aoes or an occasional stack marker. The music carries the nier raid series because there is nothing mechanically going on during these fights. The final nier raid is probably one of the best araids in the game, don't get me wrong, but Puppets Bunker and Copied Factory are worse than what the Myths of the Realm raids are being accused of. Araids are not the place for a challenge, if you want to experience difficult content there is plenty to choose from. There's not a single challenging araid in this game and that's fine, it's literally normal mode content. To me these fights are all about the story and they lose an immense amount of value when you take that away. The gods playfully challenging you to a fight, indulging in their chance to enjoy a fight with THE hero and their allies is a great story, even more so when you find out what they've been plotting beyond wanting to fight and secrets that have long since been hidden to us like the Watcher. FFXIV brain rot has kicked into overdrive with the community because we've had so many amazing vocal songs this expac that people can't appreciate the few instrumental themes that are truly stellar. The Flamenco-esque theme of Thaleia matches the energy of the other two raid themes wonderfully and makes me feel like I'm in some grand combat festival. Eulogia's theme is a beautiful ending for the story. No crazy vocals, just a bittersweet requiem for the gods as they spend their last moments as corporeal entities battling their beloved children before giving their lifeforce back to the world and being able to return to the lifestream to see their own loved ones once more. TLDR: 90% of yall don't even do hard content so why does it matter if the Araid isn't difficult. It's about the theatrics and the story, not about making you worry about reaction time or causing a body check snowball into a wipe. Go do extremes, unreals, savage and ultimates if you want something mechanically challenging. Just have fun and fight a god for the 12th time today.
Hard agree on the music, glad someone else paid attention to the story and theme and can appreciate more than "Music to kill evil gods to". The entire raid series was the gods' celebration of how far mankind had come.
You know just because someone shares the opinion of, this content is boring as fuck and I literally could fall asleep and still clear it doesn't mean they have brain rot or bad takes. He's right the raids look like that had alot of work put into visuals and theme but that's it. The mechanics are same cookie cutter bullshit we've gotten all expansion. It's just not fun to have a clear handed to you on a silver platter there's not been a single bit of engaging mid level or below content in this game the entire expansion. No one is ask them to give us ultimate in alliance raid form, we si.ply would just like to use 1 of the 2 braincells we have left to actually try. And if you hit me with well it was hard for me idk what to tell you I feel asleep during parts of the raid and still didn't die cause nothing threatened you which is crazy considering these are quite literally our governing gods of land and creation but if you like the way the game is now good for you I guess your opinions is the only one that matters 🤔
You just said if people want a challenge , there’s plenty of content to choose from. No , there isn’t lmao. If you can’t see how bad this alliance design is, maybe you are the kind of person they make it for. Do mint get me wrong , soken always delivers, and the art /design team always delivers, but really need to step it up, it’s like they designed the fight for toddlers. There’s no deviation from any patterns, everything is the exact same EVERY TIME . Then what’s worse, they made the item lvl requirement 625, and I feel like they designed the whole fight around people who are ilvl625 who Re just going to mash buttons. You say to just enjoy the fight and have fun , HOW?? The majority of the people who are complaining are able to spot the design elements and their flaws, any other person can’t see past the visual flare. The coolest and most interesting fight was the water goddess, her arena her deism was so breathtaking , but man, they give you like a whole 15 seconds to react to mechanics. Then when her serpents come out, she does the exact same pattern with the snake cleaves every- single-time , no mixing it up. If you don’t see a problem with this , then you are the problem.
If you intentionally create shit boring content meant to be cleared by people rolling on their keyboard, don't be surprised when people call out that it's shit boring content. I looked forward to the Nier raids and liked running them. I even like Weeping and ofc the Ivalice raids. I only don't like the ARR raids because people just go there to sandbag, but this is supposed to be level 90 on content and I'd rather go back to the Crystal Tower. I don't even know if I'll bother with this one because the last one wasn't worth running more than once. The first raid was decent but the second one it's like they gave up and if this one is worse why should anyone bother?
You can feel the resources just drain out though the alliance raid series. Algaia was pretty epic and the gameplay was not bad. But by the time of Thaleia, i felt like i was playing a knock-off game, some understanding of xiv design at a surface level but no polish and no magic.
Ivalice is easily the best alliance raid, although Final Fantasy Tactics was my favorite FF game, so I'm sure there's a bias. That said, the EW alliance raid was probably my second favorite series as a whole. Not because they did anything special, or particularly raised the bar. I just hated Crystal Tower, Void Ark, and Nier. A lot. I wasn't impressed or blown away by anything in this newest wing of the raid, but if it comes up in a roulette in an expansion or two, I'm not going to be upset about it like I am with the other 3. That said, I also kind of hope for more from the game in general, and EW has felt like a pretty big letdown. I know they're afraid of making things too hard for casuals, but at some point you have to ask people to do SOMETHING, or the vast majority of the game will become so boring it'll kill itself with kindness.
People who unironically say stuff like "Endwalker, the best piece of content ever released for this game!" I genuinely think they are huffing a bag of the most rich, powerful, pure, and delicious copium ever. How did we go from SHADOWBRINGERS, and the best off-patch content to... grind tomes for your relic, and... whatever the last alliance raid was. It was pretty but I can not lie when I say I was genuinely falling asleep as I did it. We are a far cry from the Ivalice raids and Ultima the High Seraph or Diabalos Hollow.
Most people dont play this game because of its mechanics sadly. Its only about story and glam for them. They play this game like they play Animal Crossing. Ive accepted that a long time ago. As long as the MSQ is good enough and the glam options are there people will simp blindly.
At least the enemies aren't massive HP sponges this time around. I've literally fallen asleep in Nier raids because everything takes so long to kill even when the stars align and all 24 people are pumping DPS.
Return to Ivalice still continues be the Alliance Raid champion. Tired of these baby mode alliance raids. Braindead mechanics and same boring rewards since the beginning of time.
You're right man this patch was very disappointing. Where is my Halone portrait? Where is the statue of my goddess with her built in emote that steps on me?!? Where is my Halone in a jar that when you interact with it there is slightly more milk added to it and tells me I'm a bad boy in full surround sound!?!? Not even a public statue that spits on you on command. Absolutely terrible patch, 0/10.
@@TGameDev Ik there’s a quest line for the alliance raid, and there’s also another quest line but I’m trying to figure out where it starts but it unlocks a painter and they have all the gods all I mention has to be completed before I think.
It feels like they took a break in EW like the story was rushed (when they could have had the story play through the patches maybe Zodiark could have been the last boss and all of the other stuff after the start of the end of days could have been patched in would have got more engagement) and the raids could have been a lot tougher Idk why the Devs keep catering to casual players that will not be playing a year or so from now it's like their priorities are off in Narnia. I rarely play the game it self now a days usually play for mods my friends and finally to keep my houses tbh
My favorite Allinace raids are the FF12 themed and Nier raids, the heavensward Alliance raids were really cool but so damn easy, but theyre slightly better than these EW raids overall i think.
idk man, I still get people who don't know the mechanics to Dun Scaith. I get groups that fail hard on virtually each boss. Blizzard 4 on the first boss usually results in 8 or so people dying, Defibrillator on the second boss results in people choosing the wrong color and wiping the raid, on the third boss, people keep forgetting to kill the ad ASAP, and on the final boss, some people still stand in the center meteor that's tanks only -_-; or forget to kill the doors and you have to deal with those ads that have a crap ton of HP.
I felt this way about the new alliance raid as well. The last boss felt really underwhelming to me, just a remix of mechanics that I've seen before, a remix of a song that I already knew. I know Soken fans love their leitmotifs or whatever, but I was kinda expecting to hear something fresh and new as well after In the Balance and Dedicated to Moonlight.
I think the bosses are weak intentionally. This fight was the one designed with the Crystal Tower ilvl cheese on the dev radar. If the Ivalice and Yorha 24 mans are "too long/hard" maybe the new focus is on making them the same difficulty as the CT raids? It just feels too convenient that it's the 4th easiest 24 man in the game released on the same patch they upped rewards for the "hard" ones?
I used to love doing Alliance Raids day 1, all the chaos and wipes as everyone learns the mechanics together. Myths is so easy that you no longer wipe even day 1 on a full blind run. Yeah, it's a pretty raid, but that doesn't make it fun, especially when you go back for repeat runs. I avoid doing these raids as much as possible because they are SO fucking BORING. It is even more boring than dungeons because your contribution is so tiny and there is no risk of failure because there's 6 healers. When people were doing old raids for moogle tomes before the patch, doing Dun Scaith or Orbonne or even Paradigm's Breach, the quality in fight design is like night and day between Myths raids. It's not just Thaleia, they are all super weak and dull. Aglaia was okay at first but has been ruined by overgearing. When I try to talk to people about this they all either insist that Alliance Raids have always been like this, or they say that it's better like this because it's faster and less effort. That's so fucking sad that people see content in this game as just a chore and not meant to be fun, or are happy to overlook boring gameplay for pretty visuals. TBH if content continues like this I feel like I might quit. I don't want to play a game where I actively avoid doing the daily content because it's all so soul crushingly boring.
Arthars you're just wrong in relation to nier. Nier had a shit ton of party seperate mechs, at least one per tier. There was a whole boss in the first one that split the alliances to do different mechs at different times.
On a related note, the msq content suffered a bit of Praetorium syndrome, with characters going on long dialogues with enemies just waiting for them to finish talking. I feel like quality is regressing a bit across the board.
yeah just realized too endwalker 24 man raid mechanic is universal with not each party has responsibility the first 24 raid in endwalker is still my favorite somehow especially nad'thal then i thought that was what they will go for the next 2 raid, but they don't deliver it for me the twelve is really good but it's because every mechanic from the raid is thrown in this single battle this is from a person who actually liked Nier raid, i still don't understand if there are some people who don't like it Nier is solid than Endwalker except EW first 24 raid it's actually interesting that people hate the truth by disliking this video XD
Eh I think not having 3 parties mechanic is fine. What bother me is that 70% of the last boss mechanic is reuse from previous bosses from the same series.
i wanted them to make it more harsh or combine them more. i think the callbacks to previous mechanics made sense and was a neat thought.... just shoulda had many more thoughts put into it.
I disagree on Yorha not having party mechanics, but I'll only argue that the party mechanics was hidden inside stage mechanics. Copied factory had the split stage fight with all 3 parties dealing with different floor mechanics. Puppets Bunker had the mech fight split where you could murder the other alliance with a laser. Paradigms Breach had....hacking pew pew, right? So there was still an essence of that then, but there was no heavy mechanics based on alliance, which was very disappointing. However, the challenge of some of the fights made it entertaining at least. Red dress, Hanz and Gret, couple others. I think Yorha was mainly fun for Nier fans, but it wasn't memorable. But Myths of the Realm has steadily gotten worse for me, out of the whole Azeyma, Nald'Thal, Halone are the only engaging fights, and none of them had party mechanics, the fights were just fun. Meanwhile, Ivalice and even Shadow of Mhach had several fights where the party was dragged into different dimension to handle mechanics or split up on different sections of the platforms to stand on a button that conjured a shield. Like 24 mans aren't punishing nor engaging anymore, and I think thats the biggest issue.
There is definitely a noticeable drop in quality for Endwalker content. At least the current dungeon seems okay but if Dawntrail is this same shit bro...
Bro real talk I was completely bummed about 6.5's update. Not only was the 24 man bad, but the story of the Twelve was a complete throw away. We're talking about the largest underlying plot line aside from the ascians since 1.0. The music was also a bummer. I feel like Yoshi P. and team really dropped the ball on all of this. This epic conclusion to the original FFXIV story is turning out to be a real bummer.
I agree a lot, I was saying suring the raid, it's boring, there is nothing good about it. Even comparing it to Aglaia, Aglaia is better and it has at least the clones are an alliance specific mechanic. I thought aesthetically it was awesome but the best things about alliance raids are going.
did the 3 alliance raids today. I kinda just moved with the group and didnt die as much as i expected. No wipes in all 3. Able to take 2-3 aoes no problem
Well, you're probably running those raids with people who have cleared it countless times and are probably overgeared so of course you wouldn't die or wipe as much...
People upset that the last boss uses mechanics from all the twelve is why story skippers shouldn't have opinions on the game design. It would be way lamer if it didn't. Overall I do think the raid is still too tame, but its much better than Aglaia and Euphrosyne. I don't necessarily want to wipe in alliance raids, but there's a sweet spot where you can have engaging mechanics without risk of everyone dying and have to do a fight over again. Punishments for failing mechanics could be more stuff like bleeds or cleansable debuffs so that healers can get more things to do, status effects like confusion, sleep, stun, knockbacks, stuff that causes you to lose uptime without actually killing you can still feel bad, and imo even feels worse than just getting a vuln stack. Especially if you're a tank when you can take 2 or 3 vulns before you start to feel anything. Also nothing like Ozma or Cid is a major bummer. I thought Puppet's Bunker "fixed" issues with this style of fight by forcing alliances to separate at the start, dunno why they didn't try to do something like that.
Nobody has a problem with the final boss refusing mechs, the problem is they dont do anything interesting with them, and just doing the mechs by themselves again is boring.
Normally I agree but I've never disagreed so much. First, what is he talking about with a-raids having party mechs? Standing on separate platforms? 3 different stacks? Killing adds? I'm confused with this whole concept. Nier had multiple battles where you were separated by party, hell PB had 2 of em. I'm so confused on this concept and how it makes things so better when I'm still trying to figure out what party mechs existed in ivalice, void ark and CT. Second, for me I do not understand how having "party" mechs which make 0 sense in the first place, make the fights better? I don't see how having to fight the 3 different pillars in halone makes the fight better. I don't see how standing on three different platforms changes the fight so drastically that it makes it good. I'm not following how these things magically make alliance raids have this essence that does a 180° on how the game and fight feels. Third, Ivalice felt like shit to me so to say it was the best raid series blows my mind. You have bosses that have a 3 minute long add phase for the first boss and that's it. You have bosses you can't even tank and randomly throw you up in the air while taking no damage. So many NON party mechs that one person can just kill the whole party (Clock boss), the list goes on. Orbonne was great but the other two? Idk, shit just seems weird.
People wanna feel special for clearing first I guess. They hate the idea of a raid that doesnt have potential for wipes, or griefing such as nier automata stack laser. They hate the idea of anyone who is doing endgame first time enjoying raid and not being told "learn how to read the moves idiot get gud". They hate the idea of anyone enjoying the game and if you go against hivemind not liking this expansion you are copium addict for not being as depressed as them. You're better off just enjoying the game and ignoring content creator opinion who finish patch in 1 day and mad they cant get enough views on their videos about it.
@@BigChilla420 yeah why would anyone care about gameplay in the afk waifu nightclub game. Games are more fun when it's impossible to lose. Content is just a chore you do to farm glams so the easier the better.
@@VideogamesPangand I'm on console so I actually play the game I dont have a thousand mods for RP and clubbing nor do I have anything assisting me during harder content so eat my ass
eh.. i Never liked Ivalice that Much, to me peak 24 man is Nier Raid that's the best one. The expansion is okay overall not mindblowing like SHB but fun the only thing im missing are content like Bozja where i can sink hours into and actually gain gill in the porocess. Im stumped after i get all relic from Bozja and Eureka (including armor), where to do some mindless grind and chat with friends and meet new people while getting gils.
@@wolfsy7 believe me I’m critical enough with the game, I’m js I genuinely like the new raids, and I like a few of the old ones. They’re okay but tbh mid for me. I refuse to do the rest of nier.
@@UwU-catgirl-OwOthat's fair, nothing wrong with liking the the new raids over the older ones. I think for me personally the Ivalice raids were simply the best and im just not a fan of the direction their going with the new raids even if i do like them some of them.
I absolutely loved these ones. I loved all of them. Tbf except Until CT became so repetitive it has become sooo boreing. the new ones are a refreshing breath of air.. But if you are a Savage raiding player then i suppose they are tame for you but as i have not experienced any Savage content as yet they will be more than ample for me to do.
@@dragumkirisute1998 It's also funny when people do this. Since they obviously play the game. But mmo's go downhill incredibly fast when players actually do leave. Making the game way worse for those who stay, leading to even more people leaving and repeat. Unless exodus leads to improvement, which only happens if people do complain enough before leaving
@@dragumkirisute1998 they said they gave up and dont care anymore, so im hoping they uninstall and quit playing, hahaha thats why i said bye. why would i have anything else to say when i dont share the same opinion?
Not only with FF16, but Yoshi-P has decided to hand over FF14 to news developers with a fresh perspective. All 24-man raids from The Twelve have been designed solely by these new developers, as well as all the trials, and it's quite evident. Honestly, it's downright mediocre. Especially since Yoshi-P clearly believes that the game's future lies in a brainless simplification of the gameplay. Look at the difficulty of FF16 and all the unnecessary icons in the game; they've done the exact same thing in the new raid with huge directional arrows that tell you where to stand with zero risk, and with AoEs that don't even deal 10% of your HP in damage.
It was going to happen sooner or later where Square Enix would get greedy and hard siphon FFXIV resources to gamble on other projects. It's just really obvious now.
maybe they are saving the good stuff for new Expac.. i think this 24 man was Meh at best... like filler 24 man. felt short and boring. rushed.. maybe they are saving resources/mechs for the next one. LETS HOPE.
You can’t say the ost for the new ex was a let down because tht shit was banging and made prog tailorable lol What was disappointing about it to you? The only thing about it that bothers me is meteors mechanic will be frustrating in pf.
@@aeolussvichi7680 I didn't say anything about OST though. I think most of their mechanic is lazy, unfun and uninspiring, if we are only playing FFXIV for OST, just turn on RUclips and listen to FFXIV music, no need to interact with the game. There is one or two boss that are decent, for example Llymlaen does have a few party trick, but I expect more than this in a X.5 patch.
@@Verpal I was referring to the ex trial since you included it in your disappointment. To me that trial was good as any other with a good mix of mechanics that all seem fair other than the meteors as you can’t brute force past it and one person can wipe the whole group lol. And ost in that fight made prog to me not as much of an ordeal. As for the 24 man, it honestly wasn’t any better or worse than the previous ones. It’s good on the first run through and quickly becomes a weekly chore after.
@@aeolussvichi7680 Generally speaking, if a EX trial have to resort to OST to make it ''less of an ordeal'' instead of just being fun to prog on its own right, something had gone wrong.
@@Verpal id agree with you normally but a lot of the frustration comes from other people which is normally the case for of prog with a mechanic like the meteors. But with a dedicated group it’s not too bad when you can get tht good coordination and communication. I’m just thinking of of groups where’s always that chaos factor and with one person able to wipe s group can get annoying. At least the first few months.
the only thing that this last 24 man did well was visuals. the setting was even more stunning than usual, especially the last area. but that was pretty much the only good thing it had going for it.
I've felt 90% of everything after 6.0 has been a formality. There have been some great points to the story and some raids (I'm a casual,) but a majority of it has not been interesting to me. : \
Endwalker bad! Updoots to the left! On a more serious note, I personally hated Ivalice. Bosses had interesting mechanics but the story put me to sleep, I could not give two shits that it was an homage to FFT, it introduced characters nobody liked, and had zero bearing on the msq. Same could be said for Nier. The 12 at least expanded on the lore of the gods, linking their dialogue all the way back to characters found in Elpis and gave people a reason to be excited about an alliance raid storyline for once. I also think Arthars focuses too much on mechanics for a piece of the content that is meant to be practically facerolled; Alliance raids never were meant to be hard or require team coordination to that extent, its just a fun casual adventure to do once a week and get some nice gear or glam. And finally, lest we forget, when Squeenix DID put in party mechanics like Nald'thal in Aglaia, people bitched constantly about how dare they make a mechanic where a single person could ruin a whole boss. Can't have it both ways.
All the Araids except the Crystal Tower Series have no barring on the MSQ. As a rule, side content is very rarely mentioned in the MSQ aside from maybe one or two lines, because they assume players aren't going to do it even if it is popular content. Also, the lore was barely expanded, and (spoilers) with the gods gone it barely matters. They were characters that were set up to be discarded and it is obvious from the start that is what was going to happen. It made all the gods, as characters, feel flat and pointless. The religion is the only thing that is important to the world at this point, but we didn't get any information about the religion, so all we've learned is 'the ffxiv dev team is using ancients as a catch all for shit they want an easy explanation for.'
That's a lot of words for a bad take, and I can tell you never did Ivalice on launch. Rabanastre legit made alliances disband. Hell, even Weeping City kicked everyone's ass back in the day.
Orbonne Monastery is peak Alliance Raid design.
I hate doingg this one but its true that its a more interactive raid than the last one we got
Oschon should’ve gotten a lyrical song.
I remember doing The Thunder God on current and it was so much fun. Sure we wiped. However I still look forward to that boss when it hits in roulette.
I remember those days of the true Chad Thunder God Cid.
I fucking love Thunder God, it saddens me that people will literally leave the duty if they see it's orbonne monastery. I really whish there were more fights like it. Endwalker alliance raids have been really cool aesthetically, but really disappointing mechanically
"This is just a 4-man dungeon that 24-man can play!"
Why are you so right about this. Darn!
My main issue is I don't feel like they give these bosses enough HP. Apparently people are skipping or almost skipping mechanics week 1? That should never happen. The HP issue I know has been a criticism since Aglaia too, so either that feedback somehow just never reached the devs or they disagree with the criticism for some odd reason. Outside of that, I would have liked Oschon to get his own theme. I know Soken is probably busy with Dawntrail music, but Oschon should not have had the same generic theme the first 2 bosses had.
THIS! 24 mans are some of my favorite content in the game and I barely get any time to enjoy it for what it actually is before we're skipping the already easy asf mechanics 😂 like damn the thing just came out!
it's odd cause they nerfed ilevel on final day, so why not do something similar for these raids?
This was a reversal from Yoko Taro pitching a fit because the Neir alliance raids were skipping all the mechanics, like the first one should be quicker to plow through, but they added a bunch of HP because of him. Now its like they went the opposite direction. Fully unimpressed with the last boss here, though. Also was thoroughly unimpressed with the last raid boss, was expecting more and they didn't deliver with Athena, I think I would have liked it better if there was a boss that actually summoned gods individually, the amalgamation boss was mid at best.
I'd believe this tale more if you mentioned Savage groups or even above average coordination, if the average composite ilvl is just about minimal, of course people wouldn't be skipping mechanics.
SE started leaning into pre-designing content early since stormblood, so the feedback for things like eureka, criterion, or alliance raids doesn't actually get implemented until the 3rd installment of them
I guess for this one they thought the difficulty was fine
Didn't Nier have several three party splits, at least in the first two raids? I thought those were pretty good.
This alliance raid series however only has one occasion where the groups are encouraged to split, that being one of Halone's mechanics in Euphrosyne.
Second boss of Copied Factory has a raid split that functionally just means groups can't Raise each other while doing slightly different mechanics. I'm not sure what happens if a group wipes on their platform.
First boss of Puppet's Bunker has each group kind of doing their own thing, but there's not really anything you can mess up that affects other groups other than full wiping and having stack AoEs drop on other groups.
Second boss of Puppet's Bunker has the raid split between three bosses with lasers you can aim at other groups if you're feeling like a little mid raid PvP.
Third boss of Paradigm's Breach has groups split up for that little hacking mini-fight.
But yeah, I think he means stuff like Thunder God's Dusk Blade where if each group doesn't do their thing it can wipe everyone? So everyone, or at least 6/8 of each group, has to be competent to clear.
actually not true@@Soliwre the 2nd boss in copied that split the parties on rotating platforms- you can indeed raise in other parties as long as they are in range & they raise on their own platform, not on you. i've raised people there several times
A team : Beammm to b group
I think what happened is that Stormblood MSQ was bad but the patches built up were great. With Endwalker the MSQ was great but the patches after were bad, its like they flipped somehow.
I am angry about only being able to upvote this comment once.
I agree with most of the criticisms. The one positive thing I really loved about the new 24 man was the way Lymlaen's battlefield changed. Was a really cool mechanic. To a lesser extent Thaliak's. Reminded me of how good Byregot's fight was.
2nd boss was the best one yeah, if only they approached the other fights with at least that much creativity
Except the 3 alliance mechs missing it's not really objective criticism tho. It's just subjective if you like the new one or not. I for one love it and it's my fav of the 3 also favorite BGM.
Like it's fine but Arthars tends to make statement that seem like facts and I don't agree on this take with e.g. the music here
After seeing the reward for the 7 lynx. I've just accepted that the "uwu evrithink greejt" community has just won. They gonna bring the bare minimum and know those longtime players will stick with the game no matter what
Yeah the copium community is strong man. I was running around nabaath areng for MSQ and saw a couple of players write in shout chat how good the MSQ is (the current patch quests) and I'm like, I mean, bless your soul, but this shit is honestly some of the worst writing this game has had since stormblood 4.0
@@ridleyroid9060 fr, when ryne came on screen i was like "and now shes gonna mention coffee biscuits", lo and behold what does she mention! (multiple times too) please get new jokes/material its like the thing where a charatcer mentions they like peaches so now every fanart or fanfic ever has peaches in, so boring
@@ridleyroid9060 I was actually really liking the void story... until it turned into yet another 'do a thing or the world blows up' kind of story. We just had shadow... then end... then post-end... all of them being 'do a thing or the world blows up'. I mean even post-shadow was fairly 'do a thing or the world blows up'-y, I'm happy they are getting a new writer. This one seems to be stuck in a loop at the moment.
I was hoping for a big cat or a mega cat but I get stuck with a dragon which feels more accurate for the shadowbringers stuff. But I'll collect it anyways cuz I collect mounts, just disappointed in the choice.
im just glad they acknowledged gaia and unulkaihai tbh since in 7.0 when we go to the first none of it is mentioned. i didn't think the story was necessarily bad. just resolved way too quick. felt like a self contained ffiv side story. so the build up to the next expansion is mehh compared to other expansions. but for a finale it did feel underwhelming i will say
When Thaliak made a copy of himself I immediately thought "They should've made him have 2 copies and each alliance fight one"
One thing I surely noticed, is that the theme when fighting the last boss of the 24 man raid, is a leitmotif of the EW's 8 man raid. I think it was Pandæmonium where you fight the warden. Given on what was revealed by the end of the raid, and if you did the optional sidequests in Elpis, the music is thematically on point, problem is, not a lot of people caught that probably, so that's maybe the reason why it did not "hit" people.
Soken does leitmotif really well, but I don't think it made end boss here, the whole end boss design was meh. I would have preferred them summon gods individually, maybe two or three at a time. That would have felt more like an end boss. Athena didn't fell like end boss either, so oh well.
@@Gee-xb7rt I agree, though I never did savage, I am mostly an observer of my FC's static when they stream the encounter, I do think that though the mechanics were decent, the fight design visually kinda missed the mark for me. I also agree that the last encounter in the 24 man felt like it got put together rather quickly.
The fuck Athena was the perfect end boss of the tier thematically its perfect? are yall like asleep in your chair?
@@undercoverspy123 For Athena I could be asleep in my chair, that was my point.
@@undercoverspy123 Did not say the boss Athena was not thematically perfect. I'm saying that the fight was visually underwhelming in my opinion. I'd even argue that in terms of boss design, Brute Justice is better than Athena.
Even though I love the Nier Raids, Ivalice was so superior. I love running those raids over and over again even though rotations are a snoozefest. The more chaos, the better.
Yea, this last set of gods felt easier. The last boss is probably fun, but its base mechanic of slap'n'dash is too braindead, other than that the 3 gods were too easy after a 2nd run after fresh blind. Euphrosyne" was the superior 24m raid and Halone is still the most fun
Ivalice was a maaster piece for sure. I remember wiping so many times to Thunder god (befoire nerf) and the last boss was so much fun. The Twelve only has one new mechanic... at least they can mesh up all other mechanics at the same time instead of one by one.
Though I agree, that 3-party mechanics have been reduced, the first two NIER raids each had bosses, where we had to fight seperately. Just saying.
2:18 --- I sadly agree... Though my disappoint was also that we werent even fighting "real" gods... only constructs... improved lopporits if you will...
The raid was visually stunning but no great music as you said and the final fight was incredibly underwhelming. Not even a special cutscene or a phase transition. Nothing.
“Wooo, I got a PS5 baby, isn’t this a night to remember?”. 😂😂😂
this is what everyone has been saying for the past few months. "story" content is EXTREMELY watered down in Endwalker when you put it up to content in the past. these last three 24s have been a joke when you look at the difficulty of Nier.
Lol nier today is a joke... Nier in shb was "difficult" because the scaling was all wonk from the over inflated hp and damage numbers
@@Irisfantasies I think you're missing the point.
@@Irisfantasiesnier on release was challenging, had new mechanics, and was engaging.
Endwalker 24 man's are the complete opposite. That's the point. Literally all previous expansion content is a joke due to ilvl and potency changes.
@@Irisfantasies i would actually lke a hard for jothing content just so it feels like i worked how to get whst i wanted and also my firdt nier experience was fun but right now to me bojzia raids feels more like a alliance raid than the ones from endwalker
mechanics 100% feel like a 4man dungeon, that I agree. Music I do not, it slaps so hard, the amount of call backs in that last track was insane.
For me, the 24 man dungeon that made me fell in love with the dungeon mechanics was The Ridorana Lighthouse dungeon. I freaking love all 3 dungeons but sadly when I switched home world for better ping (from NA to JP then to Oceanic server) it was such a rare thing to get into those dungeons
what's also bad about the final boss is there are no new mechs, basically just got lazy and slapped together the other gods mechs, cleared it first go with a full set of pugs
Lefty right circle hands is new isn't it?
@@Thundawich it's just raven's flight from ruby weapon
This is the first comment I emphatically disagree with. First off, it's thematic for them to recycle the other mechanics, since it's literally all 12 bosses combined into one entity. But they combined the mechanics so that you'd have to do 2 at once most times, which makes for a unique challenge. It's basically asking you to remember what each mechanic did while also worrying about anoither mechanic at the same time. It also has a new mechanic in the form of lining up several donut/cleave AoEs and forcing you to memorize what order they come out in.
I really do agree on the Music part, not to say its was bad but it was underwhelming given how well the previous songs were... i mean even if it was on tight time constraint , they should have just made a Mashup medley of the previous songs that would be much better
Endwalkers state I feel is directly linked to 16. By pulling resources from xiv to develop xvi CB3 put out 2 very mid products. Both have a lot of good but just not enough to make them special.
I remember when Yoshi-P said that Thaliak was a scholar, so his mechanics would test you intellectually. And then it was just "Don't stand on the triangles. Don't let the walls fall on you. Tidal Wave from Shinryu." I expected a lot more!
I also had a more minor gripe on the visual standpoint: why are almost all of the Twelve just "regular humans"? Nald'thal was the only one that felt like he had a really creative design, and then the rest were pretty bog-standard. I don't mind some of them being that way, but I would've liked more interesting designs which could have lent themselves to more interesting mechanics.
If I don't die repeatedly in an entire 24man raid, I don't like it. It's super pretty tho 😅 Much prettier than the previous one but it feels like they thought putting all their faith in making it pretty would carry the raid.
2nd boss hella fun, it at least had something new.
What was the new thing?
We've never had a boss goes Moses mode on us like that. Coolest water boss we've ever had.
Obronne is still the best for me.
I've thought all the mechanics are too simple and straightforward WHILE being undertuned. You could SKIP Nald'thals balance phase/cutscene, the CLIMAX of the fight, with good dps in 6.4. That is beyond insane to me. Come 7.0, new players will never get to see that cutscene if nothing is done about it.
I have to wonder if square realizes that a lot of players enjoy the fun and chaos of day 1 alliance raids and mass wipes. Day 1 thunder god and contruct 7 were actually a blast, and I was disappointed I didn't really get that with myths of the realm.
You know Ive done the new 24m raid like 4 times now and i still dont remember what the 12s theme was, the balance and dedicated to moonlight I can remember vividly and I havent ran those dungeons in months.
When your at the top...the only way to go is down😢...
The last boss also just has recycled mechanics. I counted 1 new mechanic in the entire fight.
First raid had azeyma and rhalgr for the gods people know, second had nophica and halone also people knows, felt like the 3rd set feel forgettable
literally thalik's statue is infront of old sharlyan. but yeah i get you..
my fc was madge at me when i said endwalker makes all other expansions look like masterpieces. :(
get outta there.
EW also has the worst raid series story.
Heavensward had basically no content past the MSQ compared to this expansion lol. Rose-tinted glasses and nostalgia.
No ultimates, less raid content, no exploratory zone as well, obviously no criterion/variant as well, Relic was a similiar tomestone grind, no casual content like island, housing was even more exlusive.... etc.
@@TS-uc4hi HW had a exploratory zone they just removed it. also the game stagnates since 4 years while hw was innovating.
The final boss was never going to have a poppy up beat song if you read the dialogue going up to this raid. Its very somber. The gods saying how proud they are and reminiscing on their lives as gods. It was always going to be an epic orchestra piece to send off the 12. I dont understand that disappointment.
Ivalice is some of my favorite content for a lot of reasons.
But it also required me to use my brain a lot more than the content I had done before, and that's what led me into doing savage content
The copium thinking something will get different and better in 7.0, for me I think they just realized where the money lies and are all full swing towards these people, the AFK ones.
The last phase of this fight for me was so bad, no transition, no adds, nothing, just the bare minimum mechanics, absolutely nothing new, and the amount of markers during the entire raid, the game just forget to play the game for me, I felt like this was a normal mode for a savage/extreme stuff, because of the amount of mechanic markers and mechanics that could have a variation and more stuff, the last boss they got so lazy that they added one "original mechanic" that was the dash, but everything else was just copy paste.
Do the afk people even have fun though? If I wanted to smooth brain something there are a lot of games I'd pick over FFXIV.
Who are the "afk people"?
@@undercoverspy123limsa people
Yes to this entire video! I was so confused with this last raid. I liked the mechanics enough, but it felt so rushed. It was weird af.
Personally, I found the last two raids, Euphrosyne and Thalia, to be relatively uninspiring in terms of mechanics.
They seemed to rely heavily on visuals, and even the progression inside Thalia felt odd.
Between the 1st boss and the 3rd boss, you only walk a few meters through these small areas with nothing but visuals.
I found the overall progression of the Thalia raid to be the most unevenly designed I've ever seen.
Even the final boss is just a recycling of the 3D skeleton from Eden 12, and they haven't done anything better in terms of design; it feels like they simply copied the conceptual design from the E12 fight.
Ultima the High Seraph had a similar system in phase 1, but the rest of the fight was unique.
Here, nothing feels unique; it's all recycled. Most of the mechanics feel tired, and the developers have cluttered the screen with unnecessary icons and directional arrows, making it seem like they think we're children who need hand-holding to cross the street.
I'm sorry, but this raid design was subpar.
The mechanics rarely lead to any challenging moments, and from a mechanical perspective, it was all just recycling.
If the game continues with this excessive recycling and imperceptible difficulty, it will become increasingly mediocre, even though it's not mediocre yet (but it's heading in that direction).
Nier start the trend? Weird, puppet bunker have 2 bosses and 1 trash mobs that use 3 party mechanics the factory 1 boss. SB ridorana has none, in rabanastre 2 trash mobs use it and orbonne 1 trash mob and 1 boss
Light house has at least 1 where it divides you Into 3 on math golem and you can kind of count 2nd boss as well because of the 3 fire spirits
there were 2 lighthouse bosses that needed split adds and one that teleported each party onto a miniboss platform
The way Arthas explains the 24 man raid reminds me of things to look for in a partner in a relationship 😂
feels like a fortnite event rather then anything with meaningful gameplay
Tbh, I was really looking forward to this Araid, and while the first two fights were pretty good, the third and last fight were pretty mid. Though, honestly, all of Endwalker has felt pretty mid and more like a placeholder/filler expansion, then a full expansion like Heavensward, Stormsblood, and Shadowbringers. 6.0 story was pretty good, though it was a bit slow getting going, but it finished off pretty well, however, then we get into the patch story and it quickly became a snoozefest. Plus, no EX trial questline like the Warring Triad, relic wep is just a tome weapon, raid tier is pretty mid, criterion was kind of a bust, no exploratory zone like Eureka, and while the Araid started off decently strong, it did finish on a pretty mid note. I'm praying that the reason Endwalker has felt this way was because of FF16 and because they are going all out on 7.0, I know that is major copium, but I can dream lol.
I cope too man
the sad thing is that Chemtrail is looking like the summer break arc where nothing really important happens and everything is filler and slice of life. at least we get taco cat....
It's not major copium, it's a logical conclusion to reach. Remember, EW was delayed for a while because of both Covid and FF16 development (there was a significant content drought at the end of ShB, FF only saw healthy numbers because of WoW refugees), and we know that FF16 development started around StB. The team was split to the detriment of both games, even with getting outside help from other studios, FF16 also ended up being delayed. Most criticisms about EW are fair though, and I agree with this last alliance tier specifically.
They shouldn't have that probably with Dawntrail, but we'll see if they deliver. Personally I still have content to do since I unsubbed after EW initial launch, and only recently subbed back.
I don't think there is anything wrong with the Myths of the Realm alliance raids, specifically Thaleia. I think the content repetition and subsequent content drought (which most people aren't even affected by, but they just like to repeat the opinions of their favorite streamers that have played for years) is exaggerating the minor issues with this raid and is giving content creators a free video idea that causes mild drama and gets them a ton of views (Good for them, make that bread)
People whine and moan about the lack of difficulty in this alliance raid and compare it to other Araids difficulty and mechs and I'm just wondering, what difficulty are you expecting in an instance with 24 fucking people in it, usually more than half being able to revive other players and damage the boss away from mechanics. Most other Araids have entirely too many add rooms were you just mindlessly kill mobs and sigh until you make it to the next boss. The multi-alliance mechs have never been that interesting to me and I find it more fun to just have all 24 players going up against some thematic, huge boss like a fight straight out of an anime.
I've seen people talk about the nier raid mechs in this comment section and the splitting up parts of it, but it's literally just a small group of players doing a brain dead rotation on a miniboss that hits the tank like a wet noodle and does pathetic aoes or an occasional stack marker. The music carries the nier raid series because there is nothing mechanically going on during these fights. The final nier raid is probably one of the best araids in the game, don't get me wrong, but Puppets Bunker and Copied Factory are worse than what the Myths of the Realm raids are being accused of.
Araids are not the place for a challenge, if you want to experience difficult content there is plenty to choose from. There's not a single challenging araid in this game and that's fine, it's literally normal mode content.
To me these fights are all about the story and they lose an immense amount of value when you take that away. The gods playfully challenging you to a fight, indulging in their chance to enjoy a fight with THE hero and their allies is a great story, even more so when you find out what they've been plotting beyond wanting to fight and secrets that have long since been hidden to us like the Watcher.
FFXIV brain rot has kicked into overdrive with the community because we've had so many amazing vocal songs this expac that people can't appreciate the few instrumental themes that are truly stellar. The Flamenco-esque theme of Thaleia matches the energy of the other two raid themes wonderfully and makes me feel like I'm in some grand combat festival. Eulogia's theme is a beautiful ending for the story. No crazy vocals, just a bittersweet requiem for the gods as they spend their last moments as corporeal entities battling their beloved children before giving their lifeforce back to the world and being able to return to the lifestream to see their own loved ones once more.
TLDR: 90% of yall don't even do hard content so why does it matter if the Araid isn't difficult. It's about the theatrics and the story, not about making you worry about reaction time or causing a body check snowball into a wipe. Go do extremes, unreals, savage and ultimates if you want something mechanically challenging. Just have fun and fight a god for the 12th time today.
Hard agree on the music, glad someone else paid attention to the story and theme and can appreciate more than "Music to kill evil gods to". The entire raid series was the gods' celebration of how far mankind had come.
You know just because someone shares the opinion of, this content is boring as fuck and I literally could fall asleep and still clear it doesn't mean they have brain rot or bad takes. He's right the raids look like that had alot of work put into visuals and theme but that's it. The mechanics are same cookie cutter bullshit we've gotten all expansion. It's just not fun to have a clear handed to you on a silver platter there's not been a single bit of engaging mid level or below content in this game the entire expansion. No one is ask them to give us ultimate in alliance raid form, we si.ply would just like to use 1 of the 2 braincells we have left to actually try. And if you hit me with well it was hard for me idk what to tell you I feel asleep during parts of the raid and still didn't die cause nothing threatened you which is crazy considering these are quite literally our governing gods of land and creation but if you like the way the game is now good for you I guess your opinions is the only one that matters 🤔
You just said if people want a challenge , there’s plenty of content to choose from. No , there isn’t lmao. If you can’t see how bad this alliance design is, maybe you are the kind of person they make it for. Do mint get me wrong , soken always delivers, and the art /design team always delivers, but really need to step it up, it’s like they designed the fight for toddlers. There’s no deviation from any patterns, everything is the exact same EVERY TIME . Then what’s worse, they made the item lvl requirement 625, and I feel like they designed the whole fight around people who are ilvl625 who Re just going to mash buttons. You say to just enjoy the fight and have fun , HOW?? The majority of the people who are complaining are able to spot the design elements and their flaws, any other person can’t see past the visual flare. The coolest and most interesting fight was the water goddess, her arena her deism was so breathtaking , but man, they give you like a whole 15 seconds to react to mechanics. Then when her serpents come out, she does the exact same pattern with the snake cleaves every- single-time , no mixing it up. If you don’t see a problem with this , then you are the problem.
If you intentionally create shit boring content meant to be cleared by people rolling on their keyboard, don't be surprised when people call out that it's shit boring content. I looked forward to the Nier raids and liked running them. I even like Weeping and ofc the Ivalice raids. I only don't like the ARR raids because people just go there to sandbag, but this is supposed to be level 90 on content and I'd rather go back to the Crystal Tower. I don't even know if I'll bother with this one because the last one wasn't worth running more than once. The first raid was decent but the second one it's like they gave up and if this one is worse why should anyone bother?
Copium
This last raids music reminded me of legend of zelda mixed with star wars at least in the beginning lmao
You can feel the resources just drain out though the alliance raid series. Algaia was pretty epic and the gameplay was not bad. But by the time of Thaleia, i felt like i was playing a knock-off game, some understanding of xiv design at a surface level but no polish and no magic.
Ivalice is easily the best alliance raid, although Final Fantasy Tactics was my favorite FF game, so I'm sure there's a bias. That said, the EW alliance raid was probably my second favorite series as a whole. Not because they did anything special, or particularly raised the bar. I just hated Crystal Tower, Void Ark, and Nier. A lot. I wasn't impressed or blown away by anything in this newest wing of the raid, but if it comes up in a roulette in an expansion or two, I'm not going to be upset about it like I am with the other 3.
That said, I also kind of hope for more from the game in general, and EW has felt like a pretty big letdown. I know they're afraid of making things too hard for casuals, but at some point you have to ask people to do SOMETHING, or the vast majority of the game will become so boring it'll kill itself with kindness.
Thalia really suffers from “end-of-expansion-itis”. Feels like the dev team had to throw it together so they could start 7.0 content
People who unironically say stuff like "Endwalker, the best piece of content ever released for this game!" I genuinely think they are huffing a bag of the most rich, powerful, pure, and delicious copium ever. How did we go from SHADOWBRINGERS, and the best off-patch content to... grind tomes for your relic, and... whatever the last alliance raid was. It was pretty but I can not lie when I say I was genuinely falling asleep as I did it. We are a far cry from the Ivalice raids and Ultima the High Seraph or Diabalos Hollow.
Most people dont play this game because of its mechanics sadly. Its only about story and glam for them. They play this game like they play Animal Crossing. Ive accepted that a long time ago. As long as the MSQ is good enough and the glam options are there people will simp blindly.
At least the enemies aren't massive HP sponges this time around. I've literally fallen asleep in Nier raids because everything takes so long to kill even when the stars align and all 24 people are pumping DPS.
All 24 people aren't pumping if they feel like sponges
Return to Ivalice still continues be the Alliance Raid champion. Tired of these baby mode alliance raids. Braindead mechanics and same boring rewards since the beginning of time.
"Look pretty is never enough!"
I look a my wife every day saying: "I love you because you have substance!"
You're right man this patch was very disappointing. Where is my Halone portrait? Where is the statue of my goddess with her built in emote that steps on me?!? Where is my Halone in a jar that when you interact with it there is slightly more milk added to it and tells me I'm a bad boy in full surround sound!?!? Not even a public statue that spits on you on command. Absolutely terrible patch, 0/10.
there is a halone portrait u can get, but for the other stuff you said yeah we need that. 1000000000000%
@@UwU-catgirl-OwOreally? where can you get one? it wasn't among the 6 they just added so is it under a different name?
@@TGameDev Ik there’s a quest line for the alliance raid, and there’s also another quest line but I’m trying to figure out where it starts but it unlocks a painter and they have all the gods all I mention has to be completed before I think.
It feels like they took a break in EW
like the story was rushed (when they could have had the story play through the patches maybe Zodiark could have been the last boss and all of the other stuff after the start of the end of days could have been patched in would have got more engagement)
and the raids could have been a lot tougher Idk why the Devs keep catering to casual players that will not be playing a year or so from now it's like their priorities are off in Narnia.
I rarely play the game it self now a days usually play for mods my friends and finally to keep my houses tbh
whats the name of the song its so good
My favorite Allinace raids are the FF12 themed and Nier raids, the heavensward Alliance raids were really cool but so damn easy, but theyre slightly better than these EW raids overall i think.
idk man, I still get people who don't know the mechanics to Dun Scaith. I get groups that fail hard on virtually each boss. Blizzard 4 on the first boss usually results in 8 or so people dying, Defibrillator on the second boss results in people choosing the wrong color and wiping the raid, on the third boss, people keep forgetting to kill the ad ASAP, and on the final boss, some people still stand in the center meteor that's tanks only -_-; or forget to kill the doors and you have to deal with those ads that have a crap ton of HP.
Is it bad that I recognize the Hungrychad video?
I felt this way about the new alliance raid as well. The last boss felt really underwhelming to me, just a remix of mechanics that I've seen before, a remix of a song that I already knew. I know Soken fans love their leitmotifs or whatever, but I was kinda expecting to hear something fresh and new as well after In the Balance and Dedicated to Moonlight.
I think the bosses are weak intentionally. This fight was the one designed with the Crystal Tower ilvl cheese on the dev radar. If the Ivalice and Yorha 24 mans are "too long/hard" maybe the new focus is on making them the same difficulty as the CT raids?
It just feels too convenient that it's the 4th easiest 24 man in the game released on the same patch they upped rewards for the "hard" ones?
I used to love doing Alliance Raids day 1, all the chaos and wipes as everyone learns the mechanics together. Myths is so easy that you no longer wipe even day 1 on a full blind run. Yeah, it's a pretty raid, but that doesn't make it fun, especially when you go back for repeat runs. I avoid doing these raids as much as possible because they are SO fucking BORING.
It is even more boring than dungeons because your contribution is so tiny and there is no risk of failure because there's 6 healers. When people were doing old raids for moogle tomes before the patch, doing Dun Scaith or Orbonne or even Paradigm's Breach, the quality in fight design is like night and day between Myths raids. It's not just Thaleia, they are all super weak and dull. Aglaia was okay at first but has been ruined by overgearing.
When I try to talk to people about this they all either insist that Alliance Raids have always been like this, or they say that it's better like this because it's faster and less effort. That's so fucking sad that people see content in this game as just a chore and not meant to be fun, or are happy to overlook boring gameplay for pretty visuals.
TBH if content continues like this I feel like I might quit. I don't want to play a game where I actively avoid doing the daily content because it's all so soul crushingly boring.
I find the last AR in all of the series to be the easiest so it's not surprising.
Arthars you're just wrong in relation to nier. Nier had a shit ton of party seperate mechs, at least one per tier. There was a whole boss in the first one that split the alliances to do different mechs at different times.
On a related note, the msq content suffered a bit of Praetorium syndrome, with characters going on long dialogues with enemies just waiting for them to finish talking. I feel like quality is regressing a bit across the board.
yeah just realized too endwalker 24 man raid mechanic is universal with not each party has responsibility
the first 24 raid in endwalker is still my favorite somehow especially nad'thal then
i thought that was what they will go for the next 2 raid, but they don't deliver it for me
the twelve is really good but it's because every mechanic from the raid is thrown in this single battle
this is from a person who actually liked Nier raid, i still don't understand if there are some people who don't like it
Nier is solid than Endwalker except EW first 24 raid
it's actually interesting that people hate the truth by disliking this video XD
Stormblood alliance raids were peak
Eh I think not having 3 parties mechanic is fine. What bother me is that 70% of the last boss mechanic is reuse from previous bosses from the same series.
i wanted them to make it more harsh or combine them more. i think the callbacks to previous mechanics made sense and was a neat thought.... just shoulda had many more thoughts put into it.
If they keep up like this, dawntrail is more likely gonna become dawnbad
Oh no... an ultimate raider dislikes casual content. Game is dying
I disagree on Yorha not having party mechanics, but I'll only argue that the party mechanics was hidden inside stage mechanics. Copied factory had the split stage fight with all 3 parties dealing with different floor mechanics. Puppets Bunker had the mech fight split where you could murder the other alliance with a laser. Paradigms Breach had....hacking pew pew, right? So there was still an essence of that then, but there was no heavy mechanics based on alliance, which was very disappointing. However, the challenge of some of the fights made it entertaining at least. Red dress, Hanz and Gret, couple others. I think Yorha was mainly fun for Nier fans, but it wasn't memorable.
But Myths of the Realm has steadily gotten worse for me, out of the whole Azeyma, Nald'Thal, Halone are the only engaging fights, and none of them had party mechanics, the fights were just fun.
Meanwhile, Ivalice and even Shadow of Mhach had several fights where the party was dragged into different dimension to handle mechanics or split up on different sections of the platforms to stand on a button that conjured a shield.
Like 24 mans aren't punishing nor engaging anymore, and I think thats the biggest issue.
Nier was boring
From what i heard on why the new 24 man raid is easy or bad cuz new devs we're working on the alliance raids
That's why you dont make your big boi composer on another game
There is definitely a noticeable drop in quality for Endwalker content. At least the current dungeon seems okay but if Dawntrail is this same shit bro...
Bro real talk I was completely bummed about 6.5's update. Not only was the 24 man bad, but the story of the Twelve was a complete throw away. We're talking about the largest underlying plot line aside from the ascians since 1.0. The music was also a bummer. I feel like Yoshi P. and team really dropped the ball on all of this. This epic conclusion to the original FFXIV story is turning out to be a real bummer.
I agree a lot, I was saying suring the raid, it's boring, there is nothing good about it. Even comparing it to Aglaia, Aglaia is better and it has at least the clones are an alliance specific mechanic. I thought aesthetically it was awesome but the best things about alliance raids are going.
did the 3 alliance raids today. I kinda just moved with the group and didnt die as much as i expected. No wipes in all 3. Able to take 2-3 aoes no problem
Well, you're probably running those raids with people who have cleared it countless times and are probably overgeared so of course you wouldn't die or wipe as much...
You have like 3 years to execute mechanics in last boss
Arthas can tell yoshi p about it tho
People upset that the last boss uses mechanics from all the twelve is why story skippers shouldn't have opinions on the game design. It would be way lamer if it didn't.
Overall I do think the raid is still too tame, but its much better than Aglaia and Euphrosyne. I don't necessarily want to wipe in alliance raids, but there's a sweet spot where you can have engaging mechanics without risk of everyone dying and have to do a fight over again. Punishments for failing mechanics could be more stuff like bleeds or cleansable debuffs so that healers can get more things to do, status effects like confusion, sleep, stun, knockbacks, stuff that causes you to lose uptime without actually killing you can still feel bad, and imo even feels worse than just getting a vuln stack. Especially if you're a tank when you can take 2 or 3 vulns before you start to feel anything.
Also nothing like Ozma or Cid is a major bummer. I thought Puppet's Bunker "fixed" issues with this style of fight by forcing alliances to separate at the start, dunno why they didn't try to do something like that.
Nobody has a problem with the final boss refusing mechs, the problem is they dont do anything interesting with them, and just doing the mechs by themselves again is boring.
Yeap this is what happens when you appeal to casuals
Unreal & extremes should come out in different patches
im in almost total agreement here but the normal boss battle theme slaps though for the last raid
Nah
Am I the only one that thinks the latest dungeons and 24 mans are brian dead? They aren’t rewarding to clear because there’s literally no challenge.
Normally I agree but I've never disagreed so much.
First, what is he talking about with a-raids having party mechs? Standing on separate platforms? 3 different stacks? Killing adds? I'm confused with this whole concept. Nier had multiple battles where you were separated by party, hell PB had 2 of em. I'm so confused on this concept and how it makes things so better when I'm still trying to figure out what party mechs existed in ivalice, void ark and CT.
Second, for me I do not understand how having "party" mechs which make 0 sense in the first place, make the fights better? I don't see how having to fight the 3 different pillars in halone makes the fight better. I don't see how standing on three different platforms changes the fight so drastically that it makes it good. I'm not following how these things magically make alliance raids have this essence that does a 180° on how the game and fight feels.
Third, Ivalice felt like shit to me so to say it was the best raid series blows my mind. You have bosses that have a 3 minute long add phase for the first boss and that's it. You have bosses you can't even tank and randomly throw you up in the air while taking no damage. So many NON party mechs that one person can just kill the whole party (Clock boss), the list goes on. Orbonne was great but the other two? Idk, shit just seems weird.
People wanna feel special for clearing first I guess. They hate the idea of a raid that doesnt have potential for wipes, or griefing such as nier automata stack laser. They hate the idea of anyone who is doing endgame first time enjoying raid and not being told "learn how to read the moves idiot get gud". They hate the idea of anyone enjoying the game and if you go against hivemind not liking this expansion you are copium addict for not being as depressed as them. You're better off just enjoying the game and ignoring content creator opinion who finish patch in 1 day and mad they cant get enough views on their videos about it.
@@BigChilla420 yeah why would anyone care about gameplay in the afk waifu nightclub game. Games are more fun when it's impossible to lose. Content is just a chore you do to farm glams so the easier the better.
@@VideogamesPang Keep making those assumptions clown its casual normal content
@@VideogamesPangand I'm on console so I actually play the game I dont have a thousand mods for RP and clubbing nor do I have anything assisting me during harder content so eat my ass
Mfw they don't put the alliance in alliance raid
This is what i'm explaining to my bro's, GW2 alliance raid makes FFXIV look so elementary 🤣
Still likednit morenthen the nier raids . I will say itnagain theybare in a holding pattern until 7.0
eh.. i Never liked Ivalice that Much, to me peak 24 man is Nier Raid that's the best one. The expansion is okay overall not mindblowing like SHB but fun the only thing im missing are content like Bozja where i can sink hours into and actually gain gill in the porocess. Im stumped after i get all relic from Bozja and Eureka (including armor), where to do some mindless grind and chat with friends and meet new people while getting gils.
i liked the alliance raids this expansion. LOL
you can like it but also be critical of the fact that the alliance raids aren’t what they used to be.
@@wolfsy7 believe me I’m critical enough with the game, I’m js I genuinely like the new raids, and I like a few of the old ones. They’re okay but tbh mid for me. I refuse to do the rest of nier.
@@UwU-catgirl-OwOthat's fair, nothing wrong with liking the the new raids over the older ones. I think for me personally the Ivalice raids were simply the best and im just not a fan of the direction their going with the new raids even if i do like them some of them.
I absolutely loved these ones. I loved all of them. Tbf except Until CT became so repetitive it has become sooo boreing. the new ones are a refreshing breath of air.. But if you are a Savage raiding player then i suppose they are tame for you but as i have not experienced any Savage content as yet they will be more than ample for me to do.
I already gave up on hoping this Game will ever be as good as it was. I don't care anymore.
Cya
bye
These 2 replies could not say anything other then "bye" and "cya" 😂
That shows these 2 replies most likely have nothing to say
@@dragumkirisute1998 It's also funny when people do this. Since they obviously play the game. But mmo's go downhill incredibly fast when players actually do leave. Making the game way worse for those who stay, leading to even more people leaving and repeat. Unless exodus leads to improvement, which only happens if people do complain enough before leaving
@@dragumkirisute1998 they said they gave up and dont care anymore, so im hoping they uninstall and quit playing, hahaha thats why i said bye.
why would i have anything else to say when i dont share the same opinion?
Starfield music also really disappointed me, was looking forward to an epic soundtrack.., but it was mid and didn't keep me hooked
Its simple, FF16 ruined Endwalker.
this is cope
Not only with FF16, but Yoshi-P has decided to hand over FF14 to news developers with a fresh perspective.
All 24-man raids from The Twelve have been designed solely by these new developers, as well as all the trials, and it's quite evident.
Honestly, it's downright mediocre.
Especially since Yoshi-P clearly believes that the game's future lies in a brainless simplification of the gameplay.
Look at the difficulty of FF16 and all the unnecessary icons in the game; they've done the exact same thing in the new raid with huge directional arrows that tell you where to stand with zero risk, and with AoEs that don't even deal 10% of your HP in damage.
It was going to happen sooner or later where Square Enix would get greedy and hard siphon FFXIV resources to gamble on other projects. It's just really obvious now.
maybe they are saving the good stuff for new Expac.. i think this 24 man was Meh at best... like filler 24 man. felt short and boring. rushed.. maybe they are saving resources/mechs for the next one. LETS HOPE.
Arthars, go play tactic and 12 !!
Honestly, both 24 man and the new EX is quite disappointing, Dawntrail better be great, otherwise, FFXIV will be going into a downward spiral.
You can’t say the ost for the new ex was a let down because tht shit was banging and made prog tailorable lol
What was disappointing about it to you?
The only thing about it that bothers me is meteors mechanic will be frustrating in pf.
@@aeolussvichi7680 I didn't say anything about OST though.
I think most of their mechanic is lazy, unfun and uninspiring, if we are only playing FFXIV for OST, just turn on RUclips and listen to FFXIV music, no need to interact with the game.
There is one or two boss that are decent, for example Llymlaen does have a few party trick, but I expect more than this in a X.5 patch.
@@Verpal I was referring to the ex trial since you included it in your disappointment.
To me that trial was good as any other with a good mix of mechanics that all seem fair other than the meteors as you can’t brute force past it and one person can wipe the whole group lol.
And ost in that fight made prog to me not as much of an ordeal.
As for the 24 man, it honestly wasn’t any better or worse than the previous ones. It’s good on the first run through and quickly becomes a weekly chore after.
@@aeolussvichi7680 Generally speaking, if a EX trial have to resort to OST to make it ''less of an ordeal'' instead of just being fun to prog on its own right, something had gone wrong.
@@Verpal id agree with you normally but a lot of the frustration comes from other people which is normally the case for of prog with a mechanic like the meteors.
But with a dedicated group it’s not too bad when you can get tht good coordination and communication.
I’m just thinking of of groups where’s always that chaos factor and with one person able to wipe s group can get annoying. At least the first few months.
What does the Japanese comunity thinks?
Me too Arthas i wanted a very bad ass song as well. I still love the music but Amanda is a way better singer
arthars real talk if 14 dies what will you do
@namiquanawhy not? It’s actually getting better
the only thing that this last 24 man did well was visuals. the setting was even more stunning than usual, especially the last area. but that was pretty much the only good thing it had going for it.
The music was pretty good imo, very fitting to what they tried to express
I've felt 90% of everything after 6.0 has been a formality. There have been some great points to the story and some raids (I'm a casual,) but a majority of it has not been interesting to me. : \
Endwalker bad! Updoots to the left! On a more serious note, I personally hated Ivalice. Bosses had interesting mechanics but the story put me to sleep, I could not give two shits that it was an homage to FFT, it introduced characters nobody liked, and had zero bearing on the msq. Same could be said for Nier. The 12 at least expanded on the lore of the gods, linking their dialogue all the way back to characters found in Elpis and gave people a reason to be excited about an alliance raid storyline for once.
I also think Arthars focuses too much on mechanics for a piece of the content that is meant to be practically facerolled; Alliance raids never were meant to be hard or require team coordination to that extent, its just a fun casual adventure to do once a week and get some nice gear or glam. And finally, lest we forget, when Squeenix DID put in party mechanics like Nald'thal in Aglaia, people bitched constantly about how dare they make a mechanic where a single person could ruin a whole boss. Can't have it both ways.
All the Araids except the Crystal Tower Series have no barring on the MSQ. As a rule, side content is very rarely mentioned in the MSQ aside from maybe one or two lines, because they assume players aren't going to do it even if it is popular content.
Also, the lore was barely expanded, and (spoilers) with the gods gone it barely matters. They were characters that were set up to be discarded and it is obvious from the start that is what was going to happen. It made all the gods, as characters, feel flat and pointless. The religion is the only thing that is important to the world at this point, but we didn't get any information about the religion, so all we've learned is 'the ffxiv dev team is using ancients as a catch all for shit they want an easy explanation for.'
That's a lot of words for a bad take, and I can tell you never did Ivalice on launch. Rabanastre legit made alliances disband. Hell, even Weeping City kicked everyone's ass back in the day.
Completely unrelated but I miss you Hololive clips, they were great
you do the story once, the raid you do multiple times either on roulette or directly for coins or glam
It’s not even fun tho ………..
no ones playing this and it pisses me off