When a Flight Crew Trusts a Plane Too Much
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- Опубликовано: 11 мар 2015
- The experienced crew in charge of XL Airways Germany Flight 888 failed to handle a routine plane stall. Could they have placed too much faith in the plane's computer system?
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At least the camera crew survived
@@ryan2506 And look at yourself? Name-calling is unnecessary.
Lucas A oo damn you right it’s fake Sherlock, good catch
*YA DON'T SAY?!*
Must have been using some strong ass camera's for them to survive the crash
@@lu3a379 He just making a joke
If that’s how small the warning was, I’d have missed it too
No, there is also a warning that says DIRECT LAW on the upper ECAM screen - which would set off a single beep to alert the pilots of an ECAM warning too. They didn't mention this though.
@@Username-ww2cd maybe they made that warning that you are talking about after this accident, so that's why the pilots didnt have it
these planes have just the worst display design. Seriously, a child would know better. It's a miracle people dont die on half the flights.
They are pilots or aviation fans with flight simulator skills they have years training so they should understand it
ok,actually there's no need for the text warning, they're a very trained and experienced crew so they should ignore auto-pilot and switch to manuel mode when a plan doesn't respond very well.
"How should we tell them the computer is off and it's switched to fully manual"
"Ah a small single line of abbreviated text should do it!"
😂😂
@BrantheBroken I mean when you're in the middle of an emergency situation it could be hard to notice a small error message st the top of a very crowded screen
It was manual, they just didn't use the trim to recover from stall. Error clearly said - 'use man pitch trim' on top of the attitude indicator which a pilot must have their eyes on. That's how they fly at night, based on the attitude indicator.
They should also get an audio warning with an ECAM message telling them that their flight controls are degraded and has lost their protections
so we should ignore these loud alarms then
Copilot: "My plane."
Captain: "My plane."
*Plane computer: "No, my plane."*
I'm ded
LOL haha
Fucking Airbus 🙄
C9MPUTER KILLED THEM.
Looking like a 737 max
That is it. I am walking from now on.
bogeysbaby they crashed the plane by stalling it as a test, which is the dumbest thing i've ever heard because stalling always ends in crashes unless your at really high altitudes and you can save it. its practically impossible to stall a plane if you know its limits.
+theoretical physicist to me its easy to recover from a stall, in FSX, only i dont think IRL it would be to hard unless your at like 2,000 feet. your doomed when you enter a flatspin
dontlookatender yeah but for large jet airliners its harder.
They did the test to see if the plane would automatically prevent stalling, not how it would react to a stall
You have a higher chance you're a woman. Think about it.
Why is this titled like a meme
Because why not
Skillz n
Jqja
Skillz That's why I was thinking
hahah
"computer is no longer controlling the plane" "info that doesn't match up" how do you tell this to the pilots? with a tiny ass "use man pitch trim" text.
Yeah, that was a huge oversight on the part of Airbus thankfully it's fixed now.
Yes
There was a lot off issues with regards to automation on airbus. Manual passover was one “feature” that comes to mind. If a pilot manipulates any of the controls the auto pilot will disengage just that input. So if you rested your feet on the rudder inadequately the autopilot disconnects without a bell or warning. Aeroflot 593 is a good example of what could go wrong.. well that and putting your teenage son in the pilots seat
The designers were thinking that when an alarm sounds, the pilot will start looking at their instruments to figure out what the warning is. What they didn't take into account is two things: 1. during certain instances, the text becomes unreadable (IE, when the aircraft is shaking), and 2. pilots can become tunnel visioned on certain issues (in this case the stall), and won't check to see what is going wrong with their plane.
What's been found since then, is that certain warnings should have a verbal warning as well that's both authoritative, and clear. While this wasn't that unusual (Terrain Terrain, PULL UP! has been used for decades), other warnings have since become verbal in both military and civil aviation. "Check gear! Check gear!", "Flaps! Slats!" and so on are all now in use for this purpose.
@@jaybrooks1098 this isn't something that only Airbus did, Eastern 401 crashed because of a partial deactivation of the autopilot, and they where on a Lockheed L-1011
It’s baffling that three experienced pilots decided to perform a low speed test at a dangerously low altitude of 3000 feet when the normal altitude for this test is 10,000 feet.
I don't think the pilots had a chance, the computer flies the plane, pilots are only there to take the aircraft of the ground, and to land the aircraft. Once the plane is in the air the computer flies it.
Wow, that's scary. 😮
So basically the pilot didn't understand how to fully operate the aircraft and relied on the computers to work for him. Noice.
JR yep
Must have been a malenium kid
If you, as a pilot, are going to perform stall tactics, I would do it at a higher altitude, so that you, as a pilot, would have more time to recover. If this pilot is a test pilot, he should have known that perhaps the pitot tubes were blocked and giving out false signals.
Robert Brown huh what
JR so basically you didn't watch or pay attention to the video
Watching this before flying 5 hours over water
No survivors but at least there were only 7 people on that plane.
Bryce Yoder good luck
Bryce Yoder: did you bring anti-shark attack chemical?
nah, he trusts the plane too much
Bryce Yoder F
Lesson learned never enter a plane when a smithsonian camera man is inside
ClawedBuzzard61 Or else be that cameraman. He seems to always survive the crash
It's a recreation!
Cyro thats the joke idiot
@@Varesparda fuck off dumb ass can't you fukin understand sarcasm dude!!! Why are people so dumb now a days .
Cyro bruh I hope your joking 😂
It’s crazy how the pilot sounds so calm and he knows he is about to die 😢💔
cuz its not actually what happened they just made a clip of what coulda have happened on the flight the clips arent real but the thing he is documenting is real
3:15 my plane in Simpleplanes when my center of mass is off by one atom
The mirror tool when a small object is near the middle be like
Ha ha ha ha
Nice to see people actually play SimplePlanes.
SimpleRockets user here 😎
Simple planes when I add in the Blasto J300 engines
@@LEMMYLEMON You mean BFE300 Engines?
Let me answer for all the comments - AIR NZ LEASED THIS TO XL AIRWAYS!
What is that
i am so lost
Thank you
Yea I did see the logo
Asma Aziz It basically means the aircraft is owned by Air NZ but Excel was effectively renting the aeroplane from Air NZ. This was a test flight before Air NZ took the aeroplane back after excel was finished with it
Me, who’s going on a plane tomorrow:
RUclips: hey watch this
how did your flight go?
Oh God.... No answer 👁️👄👁️
Been 1 month rip
Dude’s plane definitely crashed
me !😩
I remember this. Was really horrified seeing an Air New Zealand plane in something like this. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it was on some sort of "Training Flight" before it was due to be handed over back here in New Zealand? Our Nations Airline has a really good safety record. Seeing the Air New Zealand tail end just floating among the waves was chilling.
i just saw this on a compilation video and had to find this - I have never heard of Air NZ having a crash apart from the one in Antarctica years ago. Gave me a shock seeing that
So who else is watching this right before a flight? :D
Benjamin Hershey me to... But at least you know that if something happens it probably will be very quick.....
Yup. And I also take comfort in statistics. You're much safer in a plane than a car, even though it feels scarier because you're not in control.
I've been binge watching these before mine, lol
Benjamin Hershey I going on a plane in a week
Benjamin Hershey me, BUT ON A PLANE CURRENTLY FLYING
Ok here’s the problem: when you add full power in a jet with underwing engines, the nose pitches up. In order to recover from the initial stall, the pilot should have pushed forward on the stick without adding power.
Uh.. this is every aircraft ever because of the thrust-drag couple
Even on an airplane with a high mounted engine like the Lake Buccaneer that has it on a pylon as high as the tail.
Adding power is a part of every stall recovery. It just didn’t work because the stabilizer was trimmed aft. It was essentially the opposite of MCAS.
@@calvinnickel9995 The stall recovery techniques for large transport category aircraft are not the same as small piston engine aircraft. The angle of attack must be reduced first, and then power is added gradually to increase airspeed during level off. In some cases you may even have to reduce power to prevent an overspeed during the recovery and then add power.
That and the fact that the horizontal stabilizer was trimmed at 12° nose-up overpowered the elevators
0:28 “The flight plan calls for flying the plane”
Me at 2 AM literally 4 hours before my flight: huh
No; the flight plan called for the computer to take over AND crash the plane 🙄🙃🤦🏽♀️😭
These videos always remind me why what I do as a mechanic is so important. It’s the little things that get through the Swiss cheese.
Yeah the swiss cheese model.
For what company you work?
And from a ATC guy: thanks for your work to keep the planes ready, so our pilots can handle them safely!
Even I was taught to use the trim on Flight Simulator
Then your an idiot.
Kelvin Fernando: A simulator? Is that the Atari-box you hook up to the TV to play Pong?
Preston Wagner real pilots used simulators as training. so it can be pretty serious
Zachary B. The difference is xplane 11 is a computer game. A simulation has to be FAA approved and features a setting the emulates real life accurately
50Cal Capt i wasn't saying that FSX was the real deal or anything i was just saying that the sarcastic remark about it being an 'Atari Pong Game' was a bit outrageous. i hope to be a pilot one day
You don't take a plane from my home country and go and crash it. It just doesn't work like that
Yeah im from new Zealand but Live in uk
shut up blud
Religious Melon why Dont you shut up idiot
Kiwi Gamer
Kiwi Gamer
Why am I binge-watching these videos before my 14 hour flight?!
Watch them in your flight for more fun :D
0:24 “investigators need to know HHWHYY”
“Why so much emphasis on the H?”
“Say cool whip”
“Cool HWHIIPP” 😂
Hello Stewie!
need to know hawaii
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 looooooooool
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
NEED TO KNOW HAWAII
"The flight plan calls for flying the plane"
Guess they deviated
DBA:
Detroit become airplane
Why the heck is air NZ on this
never heard about this air nz crash
the description also said xl airways, why the animations were NZ?
Its because Air New Zealand leased out the aircraft to XL Airways for a period of time. This acceptance flight was the last flight under XL's name before it was to return to NZ, hence it being in Air NZ colors.
okay that makes sense
Bede Winchester because they suck
Everyone over here talking about watching this before their flight, I say at least you got an experienced captain, tomorrow is my first solo flight lol, road to being a commercial pilot .
Btw guys aviation is really safe, these things happen very rare .
good luck
Tnx
Ahmed Bilal how was it?
qehl ....
0:38 new Kerbal Space Program update 2.0!
This channel makes the best content ever. Just epic narration, editing, etc.
I love how it says it’s brighter here and it talks about disasters
why do I watch these, it makes me hate flying so much
It always feels like a gamble 😉
Yeah, whenever I am on a plane I am always worried this flight is going to be on one of the future episodes, especially when there is bad turbulence. Really gets the adrenalin going. lol
Pilot: "And.. Auto pilot"
Computer: *Nah chief*
“investigators need to know *HWHY* “
Lol
Always wonder why people pronounce it that way. Sounds so pretentious.
😂
'muricans
HWHY...
The camera man always jumps out of the plane in mere seconds
If this was ryanair this should be normal for them.
"Its brighter here" I don't understand?
They're in heaven
@@ahoyjayd or hell
@@24sirosaydeacker57 Hell has flames.
@@labadaba5088 That’s what I said.
"It's brighter here."
That warning needs to have an alarm with it
When you're going backwards in a 747 ten thousand feet up I don't think you have a very good chance of recovering it, but I could be wrong
there is so much wrong with this sentence
1. this is an a320, not a 747
2. they were below 10,000 ft
@@mgsaviation9292 when you are going backwards in a A320 under 10,000 feet I don't think there's a very good chance of recovering it but I could be wrong , LOL
Power. Attitude. Trim. Always, you learn this in the first 5 hours of flight training. Complacency kills in the industry.
I remember seeing this on the news, seeing the tail of the plane bobbing up and down in the water just made my heart sink, as I am from New Zealand, seeing it hit home hard.
It's not air no Zealand!t this is a German owned airline, and this is just the livery they had at the time of the crash.
i know.
same bro
Air New Zealand owned the aircraft, the plane was leased to XL Airways, and this flight was the check flight before Air New Zealand was supposed to take the plane back.
I know, i was merely saying that seeing the tail of the plane (in Air New Zealand livery) hit home hard.
I thought there has only been one Air New Zealand plane crash.
Looks like I am wrong.
No it was an XL Airways Germany Flight, the livery the plane had at the time doesnt count...
over 4 and a half mil people isnt small
hayaMLaアダム: Yeah it is small & when Red China invades your space Don't call for the Nuclear-powered USNavy to come to your aid. Remember... y'all kicked us out. Go suck a blue mussle or eat a krill.
Ethan Looi this is xl airways
you weren't 'kicked out' mate, nz just initiated a nuclear free policy. it is every country's right to make that decision. as well as the fact nz has closer relations with australia & china than with the united states, which has a habit of invading countries if it supports its corporate interests
Yeah, Mom cancel the flight !
Yes
You realize you have more chance of dying in a car crash than plane right?
Plane crashes
Smithsonian Channel it's brighter here
If a plane crashes how is it brighter?
Emma Grace .
Emma Grace because you don't have to live through North Korea nuking everyone
Emma Grace And Jacky ikr
The explosion
From the explosion ; )
Sounds like MCAS would have saved this plane
Possibly...
That what mcas was built for to prevent incidents like these but it too rely on AOA sensors.
Aviation Is My Life Instead it just killed hundreds of people
@@doreallanms7602 *the inexperienced pilots who defied procedure killed hundreds of people
@@aviationismylife6814 not only that it relies on just one sensor, ONE sensor.
That plane was air New Zealand in the video but they said it was a different air line
The plane was undergoing an acceptance flight with a German airline that had just leased it from air new zealand. It was not a normal flight, there were only the pilots and a few other passengers on board, they were testing the aircraft before it was put in service.
Really?
Something like that. This video clip is not the whole episode, if you want the whole story you should google something like Xl Airways flight 888 crash or something.
There were like 2 germans on board and three new Zealanders
"Oh God" is a satisfactory salutation but you better get the rest of that prayer out
Rest In Piece to all affected by this horrific tragedy🙏, Thoughts out to all Family’s and Friends affected by this horrific tragedy🙏
Poor souls. We are safer because of them.
Thanks to the camera crew who risked thier lifes for this amazing footage
Excellent doc! Concisely WISE !!!!!
I got an air newzealand airlines ad for this...
Date: 27/11/2008.
Survivors: 0.
Deaths: 7.
Flight: XL Airways Germany Flight 888T
plane: yes hoomans, I am the number one pilot. Just look at this- oh wait, oopsie
Camera crew is immortal
ahh this never gets old i watched this when i was like 5 and 8 years old and i still watch this
So what's the next step of your grand plan?
Computer: Crashing this plane...... With no survivors!
Dude, they (XL Airways) were testing the plane's systems before sending it back to it's original owner (Air NZ). They never meant to crash.
@@camilajimenez480 oh mb then
When you stall in FSX
I can’t stop watching these videos
It's a tradition for me to watch these, along with Castaway, right before a flight :DDDDDD
Strong heart 😀😀😀😀😀
Just imagine crashing a $300,000,000 Airplane! And surviving... geez thats gonna take you forever to earn back ♾
Pilots trust the plane.
Plane: I'm gonna end this Crews carrier.
Me:☹️
IM SO ADDICTED TO THESE PLSS
I read the title like "When a flight crew thrusts a plane too much"
And this is why you fly a boeing.
Yus
boeing is less electronics so pilots do more work and errors like this dont happen
Less electronics will increase strain on the pilots, thus they will be more likely to crash.
And the electronics did not malfunction the pilots did.
I totally agree with you what you are saying you have made a good point. The problem with the Airbus is it does everything for you and pilots do little and are dependent on these to work and trust the plane too much. With a Boeing this issue won't happen however a lot of skill is needed to fly that plane. only for this scenario is where you could possibly say Boeing is better than Airbus imo
no thank you
Something is seriously up with these comments...
What do you mean?
Yeah! What do you mean?
captain and 1st officer: you need to use the fing trim. you know what trim is, right?
The last few seconds watching the water bed coming near at so high speed would have been traumatizing.
Why I am I binge watching these idk if I’ll ever fly again
Nobody:
Smithsonian Channel Aviation Nation: 829 subscribers
RUclips: 3.1 million views, 8 comments
Me: 🤔
I just love it that the Plane crashes into water and then
Smithsonian it's brighter here
The flight did a perfect dive
Olympic gold is confirmed
Hmm, captain kind of looks like the NCIS Investigator. *Is he investigating his dead self?*
Captain cappel:flap of flap of!
Copilot:aaaaaaaaah
Ah
Engineer:stick forward stick forward
Imagine when the airline told the victims family sorry for your loss we were doing in-flight testing
this channel would be a complete success if the videos would be longer and more detailed
why does smithsonian always end disasters with
"Smithsonian channel"
"it's brighter here"
0:18
The plane continues to pitch up until it looses lift and falls from the sky
Investigators need to know why
sky/why
THAT RHYMES
It would seem like there would be an audible alert or a more clear warning that the computer was no longer helping. The investigators even had to look up WTF it meant...
I'm in that rabbithole once again
2:10 did anyone notice the low ground clearance of the engines?
Yeeeeeah i did
Im no expert but i dont think thats correct
That's bull shit full stick forward should be enough, no pilot is trained to use trim in stall recovery... So sad
Actually they are.
get your facts straight, most are trained to do that if not all
I use the trim to recover from stalls in X-Plane.
Every pilot (ok me and those guys who flew with my FI as well) is trained to use the trim if input via stick doesn't work.
BUT you have to react very fast if you stall in 3000 feet. That's why you don't stall in that low altitude with such a heavy plane. So the pilot error happened before: stall in low altitude.
+00PiggyCosmonaut I was never even talked about trim during stall recovery training, because it hardly ever is so aft that you would need to use it to recover.
i’m watching this a little more than a month before i fly to miami then to costa rica over the gulf of mexico
Is it absolutely necessary that the narrator say there was ‘
“immense pressure” to find the cause of the problem in EVERY episode? People usually understand this is not the kind of investigation that can be rushed.
This is what happens when you fly an airbus:
the computer is like the pilots employee and the pilots supervise the computers work but sometimes the employee gets fed up with the bs from his supervisor and then this happens
Hence the saying: *"if you havent flown a Boeing you havent flown a plane"* Quite literally
Well unless it's a 737 max where the computer decides it's the boss
@@EdgyShooter yeah lol
Lmao say that again after watching a documentary on the f******* boing 737
These planes aint loyal
Haha
Idk why I watch these. I fly nearly every week for work 😱
You must be ready ' according to your knowing from basic technologies, structures, pin point any single misjudgement that one learn or not learned yet as captains and officers
0:39 I thought that was roblox for a sec then I noticed
Why is it Air New Zealand
The aircraft was Air New Zealand's aircraft but was leased to another carrier in Europe. When that lease ended, Air New Zealand was to take it back and part of that is to do the test flights. But prior to the test flights, it was repainted as well
It was just given to the German airline like a few weeks or months ago.
Henrylish the animations are NZ because New Zealand was leading the plane to the brand XL to see if the planes were good quality
AIR NZ LEASED THIS TO XL AIRWAYS!
They weere returning it to Air new Zealand because they rented the aircraft
"Damn it!" Yes it was.
It's all good, it's brighter here
:-(
I know they are in a better place now - but it still makes me sad.
What better place would that be?
@@Capt-Intrepid Idk heaven 😶
0:39 "They used an advanced computer to simulate the flight" *laughs in FS2020*
Looked like a nice dive into a cool swimming pool
This channel is making me think twice about wanting to become an airline pilot...Is it a safe job ?
No. Pilots rarely make it past 18 flights. /s
da fuq kind of question is this all they are doing is showing you past airline crashes its known to everyone that planes can crash the chances of it happening are obviously so low
U can tell me that they got the actors from craiglist.
Plane: Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Pilot:Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Co-Pilot:Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh
The World:????
damn, those water physics are good! they have really been working on that!
This was recorded five years ago, but it's 100% relevant to the grounded Boeing Max airplanes. The MCAS is not a recent problem after all.