in italy we have a brand called TM racing that produces supermotards that are a great alternative to ktm because they build good quality handmade italian supermotards designed for that specifical type of riding at the same price or even less of a ktm and they are even street legal (according to Italian law)
I bought my 01 xr650r new. It’s now a SM with Hot cam, Baha lighting, FMF pipe. It’s got blinkers, horn and a license plate. SM tires, nobbies even a rear paddle for the dunes. This bike is, Go to Jail, fun. I’m 66 years old, still riding.
I've been a sport bike guy for the last 6 or 7 years of riding. But im leaning more towards sumo. They just seem a lot more fun lol I enjoy twisties more than straight line speed, personally. And these seem so fun to rip around corners and wheelies and shit 😂😂 simple maintenance too
I recently got my personal unicorn dual sport, a plated '18 KTM 300-XCW, and I've been loving it as a dirt bike but it's so fun around town on the road that I'm burning through dirt tires (I just can't help myself) Now I feel like I HAVE to try the sumo thing.
I’ve had a drz400sm and now have a KTM 500 excf. Both are excellent bikes and I would gladly own and ride a drz400sm again. The KTM is just a different breed. It’s the most aggressive and amazing bike that I’ve ridden. I’ve been riding for many years and own many types of bikes and a supermoto will always be my freedom on two wheels. Their just the most fun.
@@levanshukakidze5007 i did exactly what you mentioned with my Drz s. Out of all my bikes its easily the slowest yet it is by far the most fun to ride. :)
I built my supermoto out of a 11 husaberg 450fe. Absolutely love it as well. Hands down the best and most fun bike I've owned by far. I also have the dirt set up as well. You never mentioned tm which I'm surprised by. Look into them they are really killer bikes. If you ride a sumo your Def a different kinda rider. If someone is thinking of buying one do it. You will not be disappointed in the slightest.
Just turned 62 and on my third year with my 08 Yamaha WR450F SM conversion. I love it put about 2000 miles a year on it (have two other bikes). Besides the engine mods. I have also done suspension mods. with heaver springs (for my weight) stiffer. Added some extra lights so I can ride it to work at 5 am. Very fun! Still trying to ride wheelies like I did when I was 16 on my dirt bikes.
I watched this video when it came out and loved it. I just watched it again today while standing in front of my 2021 drz400sm in the garage and you made me so much more excited for the spring to come and the dreaded snow to melt. I started riding on an mt07 which is known for being a fun, torquey, easily flickable feeling 700 like a big street dirtbike in a naked bike body and it is Loads of fun. But I live near trails and grew up riding dirtbikes. I then got my drz400sm there is just something about it. I can have more fun in more places without breaking as many laws. If it isn't just speed you are looking for a supermoto is by far more smiles per mile. Easy to say I sold my mt07 after a month of buying my new drz. And I can only imagine the adrenaline from an exc500f or a 690 but the drz400sm is as reliable as it gets for a supermoto and as someone that works on their cars, machines it is something to appreciate. Being able to beat the living piss out of my bike and use its full potential on any road or trail and needing the most basic of maintenance on stretched intervals is a quite beautiful thing. This video was great thanks for pumping me up for the 2023 season. much love to the supermoto fam all over! Most people think they are pointless or not "real bikes" until they ride one. From a cold canuck in ontario, Canada. Cheers.
I am 61 years young and ride a "hybrid" Spermoto. It is a 2019 KTM 690 Enduro R that I have turned into a SuperM. I have owned a great many motorcycles but this one is my absolute favorite! Warp9 Elite 17" wheels, Tekmo titanium header, Wings titanium exhaust can, KTM racing bar, adjustable levers, Rottweiler dongle and 02 delete, K&M filter, SC seat, Savage steering damper, Avon Trail rider tires, Perun Moto tail bracket, and integrated license bracket. Happy Hoon'ing to ALL!
@@BornAGoon Thanks, BAG. You are correct, SM rider's are a different breed of moto rider. I am happy to fit right in. Your videos are well made and you will find a bigger audience in the near future! Keep on keeping on, Brother Moto-Hoon. ✌️
@@Rakkasan-vr8xt No, it is mostly deep sand trails here. There are street/trail Avon's on it but I prefer carving thru traffic. It is a bit too pretty to beat up off-road. Happy Trails🇺🇲💪
I've had a 00 XR650r supermoto for 6 years now. It's a blast. I swap the stock wheels back on for trail riding. You are right about sport bike riders not knowing what to think when they get passed by a big red pig coming out of a corner with my fat arse on it. 🤣 Hell just yesterday chased down my buddy on his sv650 then his friend on his mt09 on these back roads out in Mexico. When we stopped the guy on the MT09 was like "wth is that thing. It's a rocketship." I love that reaction almost as much as the look of disappointment when I pull up on a "dual sport" to a sportbike ride.
The first Honda you showed was the 650R or the big red pig(BRP) only water cooled XR...only made from 2000 to 2009 I believe truly a beast I loved owning and riding the shit out of it.
new, sure there's not a plethora of bikes. But there's plenty of older motards that I would give my wisdom teeth for and have over the years: Huqvarna Nox (royalty), Husky SM510, 2005 Husaberg Fs650S -Force Edition (my current bike), 2007+ Husaberg FS650, Husaberg FS570, Aprilia SXV - these are all next level bikes and I would take them any day.
I am 65 years young and ride two bikes one is a hayabusa turbo street fighter making 400 hp to the rear and the other is a 2022 KTM690 smcr and it is tricked out. The only thing that bothers me is, my jaw hurts for cringing all the time!! To much fun am going to do track days on it as well.
I am currently building a Ducati 996 and I've been thinking for a long time, after I'm done with my Ducati, to build a 2 stroke supermoto out of a Suzuki RMZ.
I grew up on dirt bikes. Always thought it would be nice to have one on the street. Went Fzr on the road, but in my 50s I can't handle the riding position anymore. Looking at an SMR 450 today for my future riding fun
Ooof, at the 16:28 mark you called an XR650R a 650L... ouch (a pimped one too with CRF forks spliced on and a massive front brake rotor). Forgivable, sort of... it's Honda's fault for making one letter differentiate two completely different bikes. But still... if you kept finding XRRs in SUMO trim but not XRLs... it's telling you something, no? I wish you'd have mentioned the 650R as a potential SUMO at least. Forums are full of XRR SUMOs and they look amazing. Guys love 'em even though I know they don't have the punch of a 701 or any of the new bikes you mentioned. Still, I can't imagine they'd not be better than the 650L in every respect. I have two XRRs now and will one day take one of them down the SUMO road... when my African desert riding finally brakes me or I move somewhere with better tarmac... probably about the time I'm too chickensh*t to ride it properly, but it'll be a blast to try!
Up here in Canada trying to get a SuMo is tough because you can't convert a dirt bike due to our laws. It has to be a dual sport, or it's illegal and doesn't count as a road bike. Another reason why dual sport bikes are so expensive and hold their value so well second hand here these days.
Sound like you are just have to step up and get a Dr.Z 400sm. You'll love it, and it sounds like they hold their value, even if you don't for some reason.
I managed to luck out-fellow Canadian BCer here- I have a converted KTM 530 XCRW baha bike that was converted to street legal before the laws changed. My bike is still st legal because it was legal before the rule change.
If you want to understand/get a good look at the supermoto community you need to check us scandinavians/europeans out. I personally got my A1 license and bought a KTM 125 EXC 2006 as a first bike, and that is sumo converted and have a smr 450 front suspension on a 660 SMC trippleclamp and a complete fs450 (2023) front brake setup. A quickshifter ;) And tons more. I dont think there is any better place than scandinavia to get a understanding of the custom/converted supermoto scene!
Bro have you ever seen tm motards? They are made in Italy! They make 2 strokes and 4 strokes, from 85 cc up to 500 cc if I don't get it wrong. In Italy it is a really famous manufacturer, especially whit the 2 stroke 125 cc motards, made with carburetors or with fuel injection, bought primarily from 16 yo with 15 hp, modified up to 30 hp per wheel and having only 100 kg of weight
I had a SXV450 as my first bike and can't recommend it enough, learner approved too in Australia too. Only 10-15 kilos heavier than a CRF450 but with registration and even more revs available. Soft limiter was 10,000 rpm and hard limiter was 12,000 rpm factory spec topping out at 167 kph in 5th gear.
full knobbies on the tarmac is the best thrill never a dull moment.. never would i bastardise a dirt bike with road slicks.. buy a road bike for that..
@@BornAGoon i surmise knee caps dont grow back.. one is supposed to grip bike with legs for best feel and control.. at 50 im NOT going to even consider rubbing my knee out on the road..😂😂
I put Avon Trailriders on my 17" Warp 9 wheels. They are good for "light" trail and excellent on the street. I lean it all the way to tire edges often. Best of luck!
If you plan to buy a bike wait for november- march.prices will drop, as dealers and people want to get rid of their old inventory. I bought a 690 smcr brand new for 9500USD(9000€) out of the door. At that price it is hard to beat. i have to say though at the current list price waay overpriced
5:05 in my opinion the 690 was one of the worst things that has happened to the supermoto scene, it just doesn't have the pedigree of a true supermoto, when you compare the capabilities of an smr 450 to an smc 690 r you realize the 690 is too heavy, not as explosive and honestly kinda boring.
Not all people want to spend all day fixing their bike, if they can afford it. I like radical bikes too but get your brains straight when calling the 690 heavy and boring. Have you seen what is out there in the market? I would buy a 450 with lower HP and longer service intervals, anytime. When you produce it, give me a call. Till then, it is the 690.
I have heard the SWM's are heavy. Yamaha made a dedicated Super Moto version of the WR250R, they called it the WR250X, rare as hens teeth but I did see one for sale about a year ago, going for the same price as the R's at that time. You can spot them easy because they have black forks and frame.
Few more options out there too. Tm make some fantastic supermotos, also check out the CCM R30 definitely old school Sumo. I've a had a few supermoto's now but settled for ktm 250 Exc. It's definitely worth converting an enduro everything is better quality and build to be ridden hard even on the tarmac keeping them maintained is a full time job but the fun is second to none. Great content 👌
I converted my Honda CRF250r (09 mod) to SM, it is so fun and effortless to ride on the road, Ive ridden liter bikes and those are exciting but theres just something about these crotch rockets!
I've ridden some other dirt bikes, but I've always been into road bikes. So, one day, when i finally bought a dream bike, i wasn't sure what I really wanted. I split all my contenders down, until i had narrowed it down between a 2020 KTM SMC -R and a 890 Duke R naked road bike. While between the two, I'm fairly satisfied with my purchase of the Duke. However, while still daydreaming of pure supermoto, I think that my choice was a rough one with KTM either way. I had heard a number of recall issues for both the SMC and the Duke. The SMC looks like a cheap quality trap, honestly. My bike, bought brand new off the dealership floor with 1 mile on it, started leaking oil from the head gasket almost immediately, and pretty heavily. I took it back for a warranty issue. It ended up taking a month and a half. Apparently that was a month straight of pending KTM's approval to cover it. Every time I need the simplest of parts, it can be a potential month or more wait time. KTM is notorious for having their more rare merchandise and parts wait list longer than 6 months. Great bike to ride, lots of fun. Still not pleased with the price point and the maintenance of this bike. It was like 13-15 Gs after taxes and options, and it's constantly shredding tires, chains, sprockets, etc. Guess that's what it's supposed to do. However, its a niche enough bike, that while its unique to ride, it doesn't exactly do anything better than other bikes you could get for the same price. Although although, it does have the best torque of it's engine class. That's kinda KTM's deal over the YZ's and MT09's. Anyway, cheers!
09 Honda CRF450X - Fluked in with a licence plate somehow, does duties as an MX race bike, Trail bike, Jump bike, Daily rider to work (at a Honda Shop) and a Road Race Track day bike with a full FMF system.
"Supermoto Riders are different people" - Thats the title of the video. The video however listed a bunch of bikes to consider. Not a bad video if it was titled appropriately. So promise from the title remains unfulfilled. I came to the video to hear you take on why supermoto riders are different people?
I owned a brand new 2006 KTM 660 SMC back in the day with a view to racing in the 660 cup only to be told only the older single pipe models were eligible. I went on some Supermoto trackdays and the CRF450 was the bike to have at the time, the 660 was a bit heavy. I bought a 2 or 3 year old CRF450 crosser in 2008 and converted it before moving abroad instead of racing it. When I got back a couple of years later the CRF450 was no longer competitive so I traded it in for a 2007 KTM 560 which had a built engine. I raced in the open class in 2011 but it was already struggling against the newer KTM 450's and in 2012 I wasn't competitive at all and was one of only a handful of larger capacity bikes out there. I couldn't afford to run new slicks let alone keep upgrading bikes so I sold it and called it a day. The KTM 660 was my favorite, awesome for wheelies, not that bad on fuel and I've only ever seen 2 of my model in real life, my best mate liked mine so much he bought a new one too. Servicing was a nightmare on it as you had to bleed the air from the frame which held the oil and it needed to be done every 1000 - 1500 miles. I later got a kawaski versys 650, fitted some renthals, made a few minor changes to the suspension and with a long service interval kind of got the best of all worlds. I took that on a tarmac supermoto only day and was beating a lot of supermoto's with it. I also took the versys offroad a bit in Spain and it had capability in the dry.
Had a 09 tc510 was an awesome machine ran it hard in the dunes and on the street no major issues but when I did start to have trouble getting parts I shipped it and plan on picking up a new husqvarna thinking about getting the 300 2stroke because I have a 2stroke addiction and want to ride it in the woods as well and never had as much fun in the woods on 4 strokes!
I believe the engine in the XR650L is the same miss that was in my 1996 NX650. Basically a very refined RFVC engine that stared in the mid 80s or before. I would LOVE to have one but alas, they are available in the US, but not in Japan.
Cagiva supercity 125cc 24bhp had one for 3 years, never let me down, 112mph 7 speed box, loosely based on the dt125 engine, check it out , fun times tbf
I daily a Ducati scrambler, but I miss my crf250l flat track. Just put another 18 on the front because I was cheap back then. Going slower faster is way more fun going faster slower
I couldn't agree more on the 690 platform! I've owned/rode more bikes than I can even count! I always wanted a Supermoto but was never in a position to get one until this past year so I went all in and got the 2022 KTM SMCR 690 and holy f**k it's everything I dreamed it would be plus a whole lot more! I absolutely love it
I had the 21 690 smcr, awesome bike and loved it. Extremely fun to brap around and pop some wheelies and slides. Mine was very reliable as well, didn't have any issues (only a fuse in the first 200 miles) in over 7k miles. Pretty expensive, but damn it's gonna make you smile! Only switched because I want something to do long distance rides. My longest one on the smcr was 250 miles and even though I put a more comfortable seat I was done for the day lol
Great vid! I agree with your points. Currently just about done building a FE501 SM. For anybody on the fence of building vs buying, just buy a DRZ400SM or 690/701SM. The headaches of converting aren't worth it. I'm going to be $8K-$10K into my conversion (not including price of bike) when all is said and done. Granted I'm going all out but there's too many little annoying issues that pop up with a conversion along with waiting months for wheels to be built and obtaining proper brakes. I could have been riding a 701SM for the last 4 months instead sweating and cussing in my garage.
I agree I thought the same I bought sumo wheels for my 450RL and I have about 2k in it When I was doing this vid I thought damn I could buy one of those KLXs for 6k and have 2 lol
@@torytaylor693 You're right. I'll be stoked when it is finally done. I must admit a lot of the issues are self inflicted. I didn't have to go with tubeless Warp 9's that won't hold air. I didn't have to go with the Xtrig triples that came with the wrong bar mounts and I didn't have to go with the widest rim that causes chain rub. Once the wheel is fixed it'll be ready to rip. Just a frustrating process.
My built my first bike ever. While it was satisfying in the end, I too felt that the headaches just weren't worth it. So years later I bought a 701 and a KLX300SM. 701 is for the twisties. KLX is for everything else.
just finished watching the video and it couldn't be more obvious that this is a video made from the north american pointof view, here in europe you can make a supermoto out of anything, we have yamaha dt/yz/wr, husqvarna (husaberg) wr/fe/fc/fs, ktm exc/xc/xcw/smr, tm as a whole, beta as a whole, honda crf (the whole line), suzuki rmz/rmx/drz, kawasaki kx(f), this includes 2 and 4 strokes, for us supermoto is anything we want it to be, you just turned 16 and want a supermoto? get a dt 125 or an exc 125 or whatever 125 enduro bike you want and put supermoto wheels on it, you can make them legal or they already come legalized, it really is better here I feel like, I'm sorry that you have to resort to the 690 because it's a terrible bike when you compare it to a well built 450 from any other manufacturer... it really is only better when it comes to maintaining it, but even the new 450s from ktm are becoming better at that so hopefully the 690 line will die so people can enjoy the true feeling of a supermoto
The most underrated bikes are the husaberg fe series 2009-2012, 70° engine and its reliable as hell, always gets great lubrication even in long and high wheelies. Best purchase ive ever made. Definitely recommend them to someone who wants a supermoto in class with the ktm exc 450s and husqy 450s but more reliable and cheaper
The story you told about SWM was pretty much entirely wrong. There wasn't a warehouse full of old Husqvarna bikes. When KTM bought Husqvarna they abandoned an entire new factory in Italy, along with all the tooling to build a range of Husqvarna bikes. So the SWM is basically a newly built 2010 Husqvarna with updated suspension and fuel injection. Built in Italy BTW. And parts should be available, since the bikes are actually still in production.
Own two WR250X here, one has 40,000 km, done no maintenance, just fill gas, change oil every year, oil filter every 2 years. Less maintenance than my car. I could see and feel the quality of this bike, it's over built for a 250cc
My boss has a zero he knows I ride so he let me roll it around the parking lot before you let me ride it he said be VERY careful! in my head I was thinking,yeah whatever. I got a little heavy with the throttle and the front end came right up instantly instantaneous torque! I've ridden some fast 4-cylinder bikes that thing was a different animal on the low end. His face was red as a beat when I came back around he was pissed!
how long can that thing go? I really like the look of the new one and its says 100 miles distance problem is that 9 hour charge time I wish they lasted longer but that bike has 85 ft pounds of tourque That is nuts
It's not as good as it should be from what he said less than what they claim. He usually drives his Jaguar he had to show it off when he saw me riding my homemade e bike to work.
Thank you. This is exactly the information I’ve be searching for. I have my first supermoto course coming up with SoCalSuoermoto and can’t wait! I like the idea of buying a dual sport and converting it so that I have both a dirt bike and a supermoto bike, but which option give the best performance overall, factory built or conversion? For reference, In my garage I have a “21 Aprilia Tuono Factory and a ‘20 Ducati Panigale V2. My previous bikes were a ‘99 Harley Dyna Low Rider and ‘00 BMW R1100S.
You converted my huge like to a huge dislike, just by mentioning EVs, no question when you called them the future. Keep sleeping climate alarmism fascists.
I purchased 2015 DRZ400SM yesterday. I had been considering converting either my DR650 or my DRZ400S. However, this 6500 mile unit popped up and I had to strike. Looking forward to learning how to properly enjoy this unit and very well may still do a conversion on the DR650. We will see. Thanks for the content.
I had friends in California that converted their Husqvarna 500 2 Strokes.. The assholes at the Department of Motor Vehicles cannot stop you under modification classification especially in certain counties of California..
Great video.. I’ve been riding for years. Built a 04 crf450 when I worked at a Honda dealer forever ago. You’re right, we are proud of our builds.. this ignited my wants for another super moto. Subbed
If you can find a dealer and have the money - get a TM. These are just the best Supermotos. Price is lower and Maintaince is about the same level as KTM 450/500. 2 and 4 Strokes available. Stay away from the Aprilia SVX cause its engine with its high and very expensive maintaince just bleeds you out. Reliablity nothing gets over the 650 thumpers (if you do the service) but they are also on the heavier side and will be never as mimble as you really want it (thats the true advantage of the 690smr cause they got the handling very right) and if you upgrade them you will end on the price tag like a factory 701 but again will not have bike which handles like it. SWM is also high maintaince frequency just like the original Huskies. 300L is very low maintaince, low weight, low starting price but also so less power than you can also buy a Fantic/Beta 125cc 4T Supermoto and just put a 160cc large Bore Kit in it and they will eat 300L for breakfast cause much better suspension and even less weight. I drive a 92´Dominator converted to 17", 01´Cagiva Navigator converted to 17", 97´Derbi Senda L 80cc converted to 17" but best true Sumo was Fantic SM 50 after spending almost 5k on "research&developement"...lol...and when i got my pocketmoney together, ill get a Fantic TZ 125 2stroke with its might 125cc GasGas engine XD
Do you get TM motorcycles in the US? They are the kings of SM! About the SWM... KTM just bought the Husqvarna name, the factory was bought by an Italian firm, with Chinese backing, and started building the Husqvarnas under the revived SWM badge. (SWM have other models that are half of fully Chinese, these are Husqvarnas). The SWM also has a REALLY nice riding position, much prefer it to the Gas Gas etc.
I bought a Lextra 300, 2 stroke ( in USA and UK is imported with name of GPX), I changed the spokes, rims and tyres, from 21/18 to 17/17. I have my supermoto 2stroke.
I took my '18 KTM 300xcw title to the auto tags shop and they handed me a plate right there. No trickery or loopholes! I live in PA and we don't exactly have relaxed vehicle laws like some other states. If you have one, try it, best "dual sport" I've ridden, and future sumo😈. I did the same thing with a '04 450exc that I got at around half the price that I paid for a '04 DRZ 400s, and the 450 has half the miles/ hours. Also, it objectively performes better in EVERY way. KTM 450 might be the best bang for the buck dual sport??? I saw quite a few nice 450s and even some 520/ 525s at, and well under, the usual $4K price point of decent DRZs. Supposedly they're actually extremely reliable too, but only if keept on top of their short service intervals (one downside vs. the DRZ, but definitely worth the little extra effort imo)
The KTM 640 is an underrated machine! All models absolutely rip and they’re all true supermotos, no electrics big single cylinder thumpers! The KTM 660 is potentially the GOAT of built for purpose supermotos, go get it!
The 500cc 2 Strokes are fun.. But as a super Moto they drink a lot of gas.. I think the 250s are the best Super Moto setup equipped with a desert tank.. Easier to mix your pre-mix if you have to at the gas station.. In the two-stroke world that 250 is equal to a 500 might as well be equal to a 650 when you look at the toilet design of the actual super motos.. You must build your own from scratch that the new KTM 2 stroke fuel injected might be the ticket like a feather.. 125 super motos would be a blast to.. And with a desert tank you won't have to worry about running out of gas.. Super high revs.
Yep, any big Japanese Manufacturer is going to be a reliable bike if you change the oil....maybe even if ya don't but that's why almost anything can work. Electric stuff..... the DC Motors can absolutely do the job but the fact of the matter is that our energy grid is already on it's last legs right now & can not handle electric cars/bikes on top of the demand. What fires the electric plants when a river/lake isn't available is coal, gas type liquids, and some natural gases but using fossil fuels is why they claim we need electric vehicles to begin with.... things are backwards & upside down but I digress. I love the ideas about these bikes & I'm in the market for a 1st bike in over 20 yrs.... I like what I'm seeing so thanks for the videos.
I built my Xr650r with takasago supermoto wheels. High compression piston and FCR carburator from Crf450. It was a rocket 🚀 i miss that bike. BRP for life
It is the coolest guy made a Super Moto video but he completely does not understand super motos.... The reason you have a Supermoto is to convert to CR500 or 250 or any two-stroke motorcycle motocross bike into a Supermoto so you can ride your two-stroke on city streets.. Why would you want a 650 toilet 4-stroke when you can get a 250 that weighs less than half the weight and can go much faster.. And you can run aviation fuel or racing fuel in it it's like having a Formula One on the street.. Much cheaper much more worth the money.. Then you will get everybody looking at it It looks so cool with the expansion chamber. You can tame the sound with a decent Muffler.
The Aprilia SXV 550 is some sort of satanic beast that came out of an underwater giant supervolcano, it scares the s..t out of you and everybody around you. Especially with the single underseat racing exhaust that somehow got homologated in some corrupt eastern european country. That thing was built for one purpose and one purpose only: entire world extermination (and also for your wallet's extermination since the maintenance is Lamborghini-level). Only for experienced riders. I have an XR650r sm and it's awesome, but the Aprilia is on an other level.
I have ridden a drz400sm and a ktm 500 exc and loved noth but i just picked up a 2023 husqvarna 701sm and couldn't be happier. Most fun I have ever had on a bike. You don't care how much you spent when your riding this thing.
Interesting…why the 701 over the 500exc…bc I have the 500 and I personally went with it over the 690 bc of the weight and the fact that it’s a dirt bike for all intents and purposes
@@tjlovesrachelthe 500 is underpowered for the type of street riding I like to do Yea it’s not great for the dirt like the 500 but for me personally I like the power range of the 701 for street I’ve ridden the 500 exc and you have to do a lot of gearing changes to make it more suitable for highway riding. What I wish I would’ve done is bought the 701E instead of the 701SM though because you can’t wheel swap the 701SM due to the brake and fork setup So the 701E would’ve been a better buy for doing both street and dirt
Just sold my 06 KTM 625 SMC to a co-worker and he is nothing but smiles for it. It took him two years to convince me to get rid of it. I also owned a 2015 Hypermotard SP which I used as a down payment on an F150 a few years ago. The Ducati was a fun bike for the back roads of the Oregon Coast, but as a former motocrosser of 22 years the KTM was more fun with less power.
I’ll stick with the Honda xr650l for $5999 and will last forever, set of tires have a super moto, put back the enduro tires have an adventure bike just a better deal ( for poor working people )
You can even ride in the California national parks with your two-stroke Supermoto with a license plate.. Even though they were banned almost 20 years ago from National Forest you can watch the forest rangers shit a Twinkie
Several years ago I had a full MX-built Honda CRF450*R* and a built CBR1000RR (both same year) .. at that time I was MUCH more comfortable on my street bike than I was on my dirtbike, but I LOVED and rode them both alot!! But the most fun I EVER had on a bike was when I put the supermoto wheel kit and changed the gearing/sprockets on my crf450r.. Also I live in a place where the law is very loose on what is considered road-legal..
Electric bikes is our future cause we've given up on 'power to the people'. We just do whatever we're told and normalize it by saying its 'the future'. edit -the electric stuff is expensive and sucks. -No range.
I have a 2020 Yamaha WR250R. I love it as a dual sport. You Can carve a canyon then go ride a trial without changing a thing. Cheapest, yet the best bike I've ever ridden. Will hang onto until death Lmao. I'm literally getting it buried next to me...I'm not kidding even a little bit...seriously.
I lived in SF. I put street tires on my BRP. It had plenty power but the best thing was the view. You can't see crap on a gsxr. You can see something bad coming a lot quicker on a dirt bike and nothing could beat you in town.
Nice vid thanks. I saw one mistake that I'd like to bring to your attention. The first image you show when talking about the XR 650L at 16:29 is actually the XR 650R. The 650R is a bike designed for desert racing, the Baja in particular, and it was particularly successful. Also a good platform for SM with engines lasting around 60-80k miles before needing a rebuild in cases.
@@derekjooste9339 you are right and wrong....the bike in the image is not the 650 R IT IS 600 R ...650R IS LIQUID COOLED BIG RED PIG ...LOL THAT BIKE SHARES THE SAME ENGINE AND MANY PARTS WITH THE L VERSION. FYI.
@@crashalexander7232 I just double checked, if you pause the video you can see the radiator, the 650R on the seat and radiator shrouds and I checked the lines of the bike again. It looks a lot like the 02 650R I used to own. But yes, I've heard that the 650L is based on the 600R.
Like how you talked about the wr250 because it is exactly what I want to do to mine. Also have a wr400 with a 426 motor in it and both my 400/426 and the 250 are street legal, just need safety for it and be mint. All the wr motors are pretty much the yz motor cross bikes with taller ratio gears and they did some stuff with the CDI box but it's easy to delete the limiters or at least on the old carby ones.
Probably going to anger a lot of people but I don't think the KTM 700 or 690 should be categorized as a sumo if it's more into the super hooligan super Moto's bikes under 500 cc
2005 ktm 525sx 6 spd out of an exc, and the electric start as well, 544 bb kit , hotcam, full white bros exh, ported polished head , minor valve job, dyno at 167bhp, pure evil.
Built mine out of a crf450R! Yeah it vibrates a lot and is older so kickstart only but all my friends that ride with me see me and try it out and realize why I love it. I picked up the 450 in dirt form for $1500, reset valves and cleaned the carb so did some time investment, but otherwise I think I got in super cheap
in italy we have a brand called TM racing that produces supermotards that are a great alternative to ktm because they build good quality handmade italian supermotards designed for that specifical type of riding at the same price or even less of a ktm and they are even street legal (according to Italian law)
Great bikes!
Too bad, we cannot buy them here. I would give it a spin. Ciao✌️
Every once and a while I see them here in the states. Beautiful bikes 👌👌👌
tm è meglio e basta hahahah... domina il motard e l'enduro da 10 anni a sta parte hahaha
@@alessandrodavanzo6186 esatto hahahaha
I bought my 01 xr650r new. It’s now a SM with Hot cam, Baha lighting, FMF pipe. It’s got blinkers, horn and a license plate. SM tires, nobbies even a rear paddle for the dunes. This bike is, Go to Jail, fun. I’m 66 years old, still riding.
This year at age 37 I’ve started riding supermoto and enduro. I love it and regret not trying it 2 decades ago.
Thanks for watching
I started racing GNCC recently at 40. Why didnt I do this when I was young and pliable? 🤣😂
@@nickmcalpin10 💪🏿
I've been a sport bike guy for the last 6 or 7 years of riding. But im leaning more towards sumo. They just seem a lot more fun lol I enjoy twisties more than straight line speed, personally. And these seem so fun to rip around corners and wheelies and shit 😂😂 simple maintenance too
I recently got my personal unicorn dual sport, a plated '18 KTM 300-XCW, and I've been loving it as a dirt bike but it's so fun around town on the road that I'm burning through dirt tires (I just can't help myself) Now I feel like I HAVE to try the sumo thing.
I’ve had a drz400sm and now have a KTM 500 excf. Both are excellent bikes and I would gladly own and ride a drz400sm again. The KTM is just a different breed. It’s the most aggressive and amazing bike that I’ve ridden. I’ve been riding for many years and own many types of bikes and a supermoto will always be my freedom on two wheels. Their just the most fun.
Thanks for watching
I have drz400s and thinking to buy 17 wheel set and convert is to sm or.. buy ktm 500 and fo the same. What can you recomend?
I got a KTM xcf-w 350 super moto build.. now I'm searching for a 500 to build...
@@levanshukakidze5007 i did exactly what you mentioned with my Drz s.
Out of all my bikes its easily the slowest yet it is by far the most fun to ride. :)
Here here!!!! 👏👏👏👏
I built my supermoto out of a 11 husaberg 450fe. Absolutely love it as well. Hands down the best and most fun bike I've owned by far. I also have the dirt set up as well. You never mentioned tm which I'm surprised by. Look into them they are really killer bikes. If you ride a sumo your Def a different kinda rider. If someone is thinking of buying one do it. You will not be disappointed in the slightest.
100% Tm make fantastic bikes, husabury is a great choice 👌
@@tmmy-tl9kx thanks, I do love my berg quite a bit.
Niceone
@@ScotlandsGold thanks Scotland
70° husabergs are the absolute best supermotos you can have, and they are indestructable
Just turned 62 and on my third year with my 08 Yamaha WR450F SM conversion. I love it put about 2000 miles a year on it (have two other bikes). Besides the engine mods. I have also done suspension mods. with heaver springs (for my weight) stiffer. Added some extra lights so I can ride it to work at 5 am. Very fun! Still trying to ride wheelies like I did when I was 16 on my dirt bikes.
I watched this video when it came out and loved it. I just watched it again today while standing in front of my 2021 drz400sm in the garage and you made me so much more excited for the spring to come and the dreaded snow to melt. I started riding on an mt07 which is known for being a fun, torquey, easily flickable feeling 700 like a big street dirtbike in a naked bike body and it is Loads of fun. But I live near trails and grew up riding dirtbikes. I then got my drz400sm there is just something about it. I can have more fun in more places without breaking as many laws. If it isn't just speed you are looking for a supermoto is by far more smiles per mile. Easy to say I sold my mt07 after a month of buying my new drz. And I can only imagine the adrenaline from an exc500f or a 690 but the drz400sm is as reliable as it gets for a supermoto and as someone that works on their cars, machines it is something to appreciate. Being able to beat the living piss out of my bike and use its full potential on any road or trail and needing the most basic of maintenance on stretched intervals is a quite beautiful thing. This video was great thanks for pumping me up for the 2023 season. much love to the supermoto fam all over! Most people think they are pointless or not "real bikes" until they ride one. From a cold canuck in ontario, Canada. Cheers.
I am 61 years young and ride a "hybrid" Spermoto. It is a 2019 KTM 690 Enduro R that I have turned into a SuperM. I have owned a great many motorcycles but this one is my absolute favorite!
Warp9 Elite 17" wheels, Tekmo titanium header, Wings titanium exhaust can, KTM racing bar, adjustable levers, Rottweiler dongle and 02 delete, K&M filter, SC seat, Savage steering damper, Avon Trail rider tires, Perun Moto tail bracket, and integrated license bracket.
Happy Hoon'ing to ALL!
damn what a nice bike
@@BornAGoon Thanks, BAG. You are correct, SM rider's are a different breed of moto rider. I am happy to fit right in.
Your videos are well made and you will find a bigger audience in the near future! Keep on keeping on, Brother Moto-Hoon. ✌️
I have the same platform, just a 2020. Do you ever put your enduro wheels back on and head for trails?
@@Rakkasan-vr8xt No, it is mostly deep sand trails here. There are street/trail Avon's on it but I prefer carving thru traffic. It is a bit too pretty to beat up off-road. Happy Trails🇺🇲💪
Heard you also have a bicycle with no seat, just a seatpost! Hope you are not a 🌈
im from oz we dirt bike to get milk we call them super motard
I've had a 00 XR650r supermoto for 6 years now. It's a blast. I swap the stock wheels back on for trail riding. You are right about sport bike riders not knowing what to think when they get passed by a big red pig coming out of a corner with my fat arse on it. 🤣 Hell just yesterday chased down my buddy on his sv650 then his friend on his mt09 on these back roads out in Mexico. When we stopped the guy on the MT09 was like "wth is that thing. It's a rocketship." I love that reaction almost as much as the look of disappointment when I pull up on a "dual sport" to a sportbike ride.
the old 650 legend of a bike
The first Honda you showed was the 650R or the big red pig(BRP) only water cooled XR...only made from 2000 to 2009 I believe truly a beast I loved owning and riding the shit out of it.
Yeah bro I’m a happy pig owner
new, sure there's not a plethora of bikes. But there's plenty of older motards that I would give my wisdom teeth for and have over the years: Huqvarna Nox (royalty), Husky SM510, 2005 Husaberg Fs650S -Force Edition (my current bike), 2007+ Husaberg FS650, Husaberg FS570, Aprilia SXV - these are all next level bikes and I would take them any day.
I am 65 years young and ride two bikes one is a hayabusa turbo street fighter making 400 hp to the rear and the other is a 2022 KTM690 smcr and it is tricked out. The only thing that bothers me is, my jaw hurts for cringing all the time!! To much fun am going to do track days on it as well.
I am currently building a Ducati 996 and I've been thinking for a long time, after I'm done with my Ducati, to build a 2 stroke supermoto out of a Suzuki RMZ.
I grew up on dirt bikes. Always thought it would be nice to have one on the street. Went Fzr on the road, but in my 50s I can't handle the riding position anymore. Looking at an SMR 450 today for my future riding fun
I was big fan of super moto from my childhoods . Now get a chance to buy kawasaki 300 sm n loved it
Ooof, at the 16:28 mark you called an XR650R a 650L... ouch (a pimped one too with CRF forks spliced on and a massive front brake rotor). Forgivable, sort of... it's Honda's fault for making one letter differentiate two completely different bikes. But still... if you kept finding XRRs in SUMO trim but not XRLs... it's telling you something, no? I wish you'd have mentioned the 650R as a potential SUMO at least. Forums are full of XRR SUMOs and they look amazing. Guys love 'em even though I know they don't have the punch of a 701 or any of the new bikes you mentioned. Still, I can't imagine they'd not be better than the 650L in every respect. I have two XRRs now and will one day take one of them down the SUMO road... when my African desert riding finally brakes me or I move somewhere with better tarmac... probably about the time I'm too chickensh*t to ride it properly, but it'll be a blast to try!
Up here in Canada trying to get a SuMo is tough because you can't convert a dirt bike due to our laws. It has to be a dual sport, or it's illegal and doesn't count as a road bike. Another reason why dual sport bikes are so expensive and hold their value so well second hand here these days.
Sound like you are just have to step up and get a Dr.Z 400sm. You'll love it, and it sounds like they hold their value, even if you don't for some reason.
I managed to luck out-fellow Canadian BCer here- I have a converted KTM 530 XCRW baha bike that was converted to street legal before the laws changed. My bike is still st legal because it was legal before the rule change.
Wutt I can plate my yz450f if I put 100$ into lights
If you want to understand/get a good look at the supermoto community you need to check us scandinavians/europeans out. I personally got my A1 license and bought a KTM 125 EXC 2006 as a first bike, and that is sumo converted and have a smr 450 front suspension on a 660 SMC trippleclamp and a complete fs450 (2023) front brake setup. A quickshifter ;) And tons more. I dont think there is any better place than scandinavia to get a understanding of the custom/converted supermoto scene!
Bro have you ever seen tm motards? They are made in Italy! They make 2 strokes and 4 strokes, from 85 cc up to 500 cc if I don't get it wrong. In Italy it is a really famous manufacturer, especially whit the 2 stroke 125 cc motards, made with carburetors or with fuel injection, bought primarily from 16 yo with 15 hp, modified up to 30 hp per wheel and having only 100 kg of weight
I had a SXV450 as my first bike and can't recommend it enough, learner approved too in Australia too.
Only 10-15 kilos heavier than a CRF450 but with registration and even more revs available.
Soft limiter was 10,000 rpm and hard limiter was 12,000 rpm factory spec topping out at 167 kph in 5th gear.
the 550 is my dream bike
full knobbies on the tarmac is the best thrill never a dull moment.. never would i bastardise a dirt bike with road slicks.. buy a road bike for that..
lol I agree Next video is " can I drag knee with a knobby "
@@BornAGoon i surmise knee caps dont grow back.. one is supposed to grip bike with legs for best feel and control.. at 50 im NOT going to even consider rubbing my knee out on the road..😂😂
I put Avon Trailriders on my 17" Warp 9 wheels. They are good for "light" trail and excellent on the street. I lean it all the way to tire edges often. Best of luck!
If you plan to buy a bike wait for november- march.prices will drop, as dealers and people want to get rid of their old inventory. I bought a 690 smcr brand new for 9500USD(9000€) out of the door. At that price it is hard to beat. i have to say though at the current list price waay overpriced
just picked up a '23 smcr , pretty good deal. Lovin it !!
coming off a speed triple
Supermoto....Keyword...supermoto.. Cram...supermoto...Much?...supermoto....supermoto
supermoto supermoto supermoto
I'm 63... Riding all my life...and I want one lol
I have slicks on my scooter and yes it's fun
5:05 in my opinion the 690 was one of the worst things that has happened to the supermoto scene, it just doesn't have the pedigree of a true supermoto, when you compare the capabilities of an smr 450 to an smc 690 r you realize the 690 is too heavy, not as explosive and honestly kinda boring.
but at least it isn't a maintenance hog...🤣
@@machupikachu1085 yeah at that point just don't get a supermoto 💀
Not all people want to spend all day fixing their bike, if they can afford it. I like radical bikes too but get your brains straight when calling the 690 heavy and boring. Have you seen what is out there in the market? I would buy a 450 with lower HP and longer service intervals, anytime. When you produce it, give me a call. Till then, it is the 690.
@@constantinosschinas4503 just check my profile, I have a ktm 500 supermoto, 300 hours (15000km) and ZERO problems
@@constantinosschinas4503 also I have friends with 690s, even they think their bike is not a real supermoto
I have heard the SWM's are heavy. Yamaha made a dedicated Super Moto version of the WR250R, they called it the WR250X, rare as hens teeth but I did see one for sale about a year ago, going for the same price as the R's at that time. You can spot them easy because they have black forks and frame.
I’m in the process of converting a ktm 450 sxf for supermoto
Sweet let me know how it goes
Few more options out there too.
Tm make some fantastic supermotos, also check out the CCM R30 definitely old school Sumo. I've a had a few supermoto's now but settled for ktm 250 Exc. It's definitely worth converting an enduro everything is better quality and build to be ridden hard even on the tarmac keeping them maintained is a full time job but the fun is second to none. Great content 👌
supermoto riders = super riders - end of story, we are literally the best
Best eva
I converted my Honda CRF250r (09 mod) to SM, it is so fun and effortless to ride on the road, Ive ridden liter bikes and those are exciting but theres just something about these crotch rockets!
I've ridden some other dirt bikes, but I've always been into road bikes. So, one day, when i finally bought a dream bike, i wasn't sure what I really wanted. I split all my contenders down, until i had narrowed it down between a 2020 KTM SMC -R and a 890 Duke R naked road bike. While between the two, I'm fairly satisfied with my purchase of the Duke. However, while still daydreaming of pure supermoto, I think that my choice was a rough one with KTM either way. I had heard a number of recall issues for both the SMC and the Duke. The SMC looks like a cheap quality trap, honestly. My bike, bought brand new off the dealership floor with 1 mile on it, started leaking oil from the head gasket almost immediately, and pretty heavily. I took it back for a warranty issue. It ended up taking a month and a half. Apparently that was a month straight of pending KTM's approval to cover it. Every time I need the simplest of parts, it can be a potential month or more wait time. KTM is notorious for having their more rare merchandise and parts wait list longer than 6 months. Great bike to ride, lots of fun. Still not pleased with the price point and the maintenance of this bike. It was like 13-15 Gs after taxes and options, and it's constantly shredding tires, chains, sprockets, etc. Guess that's what it's supposed to do. However, its a niche enough bike, that while its unique to ride, it doesn't exactly do anything better than other bikes you could get for the same price. Although although, it does have the best torque of it's engine class. That's kinda KTM's deal over the YZ's and MT09's. Anyway, cheers!
09 Honda CRF450X - Fluked in with a licence plate somehow, does duties as an MX race bike, Trail bike, Jump bike, Daily rider to work (at a Honda Shop) and a Road Race Track day bike with a full FMF system.
"Supermoto Riders are different people" - Thats the title of the video. The video however listed a bunch of bikes to consider. Not a bad video if it was titled appropriately. So promise from the title remains unfulfilled. I came to the video to hear you take on why supermoto riders are different people?
Sumo is life 🙏
Wheelie good comment
Hook the front wheel up and let the good times roll
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You missed The King of all of them: the one and only Husaberg FS650 ;)
Only who owned one knows ;)
I had a steel frame WR450f (2005) a while back and it was a riot. Have a drz400sm now.
I owned a brand new 2006 KTM 660 SMC back in the day with a view to racing in the 660 cup only to be told only the older single pipe models were eligible. I went on some Supermoto trackdays and the CRF450 was the bike to have at the time, the 660 was a bit heavy. I bought a 2 or 3 year old CRF450 crosser in 2008 and converted it before moving abroad instead of racing it. When I got back a couple of years later the CRF450 was no longer competitive so I traded it in for a 2007 KTM 560 which had a built engine. I raced in the open class in 2011 but it was already struggling against the newer KTM 450's and in 2012 I wasn't competitive at all and was one of only a handful of larger capacity bikes out there. I couldn't afford to run new slicks let alone keep upgrading bikes so I sold it and called it a day.
The KTM 660 was my favorite, awesome for wheelies, not that bad on fuel and I've only ever seen 2 of my model in real life, my best mate liked mine so much he bought a new one too. Servicing was a nightmare on it as you had to bleed the air from the frame which held the oil and it needed to be done every 1000 - 1500 miles.
I later got a kawaski versys 650, fitted some renthals, made a few minor changes to the suspension and with a long service interval kind of got the best of all worlds. I took that on a tarmac supermoto only day and was beating a lot of supermoto's with it. I also took the versys offroad a bit in Spain and it had capability in the dry.
What did you change with the Versys suspension?
Had a 09 tc510 was an awesome machine ran it hard in the dunes and on the street no major issues but when I did start to have trouble getting parts I shipped it and plan on picking up a new husqvarna thinking about getting the 300 2stroke because I have a 2stroke addiction and want to ride it in the woods as well and never had as much fun in the woods on 4 strokes!
sweet thanks for watching
Omg the aprilia looks amazing.. very good video... keep up
So trick cant believe that thing is 12 years old
I believe the engine in the XR650L is the same miss that was in my 1996 NX650. Basically a very refined RFVC engine that stared in the mid 80s or before.
I would LOVE to have one but alas, they are available in the US, but not in Japan.
Power to weight ratio is unparalleled
which is awesome, except for those windy highway trips...😔
I just got a WR450 as my first bike this year and absolutely love it. No complaints it just preforms everywhere all the time
Do you have it in Supermoto trim or just dual sport or both
@@BornAGoon Both, currently in Supermoto. Love the video by the way! I’d love to get on a husky 701 someday and toy around with track days maybe
Cagiva supercity 125cc 24bhp had one for 3 years, never let me down, 112mph 7 speed box, loosely based on the dt125 engine, check it out , fun times tbf
I daily a Ducati scrambler, but I miss my crf250l flat track. Just put another 18 on the front because I was cheap back then. Going slower faster is way more fun going faster slower
I’m buying a Drz this winter, hopefully find a good deal but also willing to spend 6-7k to get what I want
You are going to have a great winter
I couldn't agree more on the 690 platform! I've owned/rode more bikes than I can even count!
I always wanted a Supermoto but was never in a position to get one until this past year so I went all in and got the 2022 KTM SMCR 690 and holy f**k it's everything I dreamed it would be plus a whole lot more! I absolutely love it
I had the 21 690 smcr, awesome bike and loved it. Extremely fun to brap around and pop some wheelies and slides. Mine was very reliable as well, didn't have any issues (only a fuse in the first 200 miles) in over 7k miles. Pretty expensive, but damn it's gonna make you smile!
Only switched because I want something to do long distance rides. My longest one on the smcr was 250 miles and even though I put a more comfortable seat I was done for the day lol
This exact one you're talking about is my first ever bike. I learned to ride on that thing. And yes, i think it's perfect.
Great vid! I agree with your points. Currently just about done building a FE501 SM. For anybody on the fence of building vs buying, just buy a DRZ400SM or 690/701SM. The headaches of converting aren't worth it. I'm going to be $8K-$10K into my conversion (not including price of bike) when all is said and done. Granted I'm going all out but there's too many little annoying issues that pop up with a conversion along with waiting months for wheels to be built and obtaining proper brakes. I could have been riding a 701SM for the last 4 months instead sweating and cussing in my garage.
I agree I thought the same I bought sumo wheels for my 450RL and I have about 2k in it When I was doing this vid I thought damn I could buy one of those KLXs for 6k and have 2 lol
There is a lot of self satisfaction from putting it together yourself and having a unique Moto. Best of Luck and enjoy the Hoon'ing
@@torytaylor693 You're right. I'll be stoked when it is finally done. I must admit a lot of the issues are self inflicted. I didn't have to go with tubeless Warp 9's that won't hold air. I didn't have to go with the Xtrig triples that came with the wrong bar mounts and I didn't have to go with the widest rim that causes chain rub. Once the wheel is fixed it'll be ready to rip. Just a frustrating process.
@@torytaylor693 very true, I built a 11 husaberg 450 fe sumo. Absolutely love the bike and it's my fav bike by far.
My built my first bike ever. While it was satisfying in the end, I too felt that the headaches just weren't worth it. So years later I bought a 701 and a KLX300SM. 701 is for the twisties. KLX is for everything else.
just finished watching the video and it couldn't be more obvious that this is a video made from the north american pointof view, here in europe you can make a supermoto out of anything, we have yamaha dt/yz/wr, husqvarna (husaberg) wr/fe/fc/fs, ktm exc/xc/xcw/smr, tm as a whole, beta as a whole, honda crf (the whole line), suzuki rmz/rmx/drz, kawasaki kx(f), this includes 2 and 4 strokes, for us supermoto is anything we want it to be, you just turned 16 and want a supermoto? get a dt 125 or an exc 125 or whatever 125 enduro bike you want and put supermoto wheels on it, you can make them legal or they already come legalized, it really is better here I feel like, I'm sorry that you have to resort to the 690 because it's a terrible bike when you compare it to a well built 450 from any other manufacturer... it really is only better when it comes to maintaining it, but even the new 450s from ktm are becoming better at that so hopefully the 690 line will die so people can enjoy the true feeling of a supermoto
The most underrated bikes are the husaberg fe series 2009-2012, 70° engine and its reliable as hell, always gets great lubrication even in long and high wheelies. Best purchase ive ever made. Definitely recommend them to someone who wants a supermoto in class with the ktm exc 450s and husqy 450s but more reliable and cheaper
I’ve never had to worry about engine lubrication during wheelies . But I can’t wheelie long 🤣
The story you told about SWM was pretty much entirely wrong.
There wasn't a warehouse full of old Husqvarna bikes. When KTM bought Husqvarna they abandoned an entire new factory in Italy, along with all the tooling to build a range of Husqvarna bikes.
So the SWM is basically a newly built 2010 Husqvarna with updated suspension and fuel injection. Built in Italy BTW. And parts should be available, since the bikes are actually still in production.
Own two WR250X here, one has 40,000 km, done no maintenance, just fill gas, change oil every year, oil filter every 2 years. Less maintenance than my car. I could see and feel the quality of this bike, it's over built for a 250cc
My boss has a zero he knows I ride so he let me roll it around the parking lot before you let me ride it he said be VERY careful! in my head I was thinking,yeah whatever. I got a little heavy with the throttle and the front end came right up instantly instantaneous torque! I've ridden some fast 4-cylinder bikes that thing was a different animal on the low end. His face was red as a beat when I came back around he was pissed!
how long can that thing go? I really like the look of the new one and its says 100 miles distance problem is that 9 hour charge time I wish they lasted longer but that bike has 85 ft pounds of tourque That is nuts
It's not as good as it should be from what he said less than what they claim. He usually drives his Jaguar he had to show it off when he saw me riding my homemade e bike to work.
Thank you. This is exactly the information I’ve be searching for. I have my first supermoto course coming up with SoCalSuoermoto and can’t wait!
I like the idea of buying a dual sport and converting it so that I have both a dirt bike and a supermoto bike, but which option give the best performance overall, factory built or conversion?
For reference, In my garage I have a “21 Aprilia Tuono Factory and a ‘20 Ducati Panigale V2. My previous bikes were a ‘99 Harley Dyna Low Rider and ‘00 BMW R1100S.
You converted my huge like to a huge dislike, just by mentioning EVs, no question when you called them the future. Keep sleeping climate alarmism fascists.
I purchased 2015 DRZ400SM yesterday. I had been considering converting either my DR650 or my DRZ400S. However, this 6500 mile unit popped up and I had to strike. Looking forward to learning how to properly enjoy this unit and very well may still do a conversion on the DR650. We will see. Thanks for the content.
Tryna get my hands on a 2024 Husqvarna fe501s for a future supermoto build
Thank you. This is exactly the information I’ve be searching for. I have my first supermoto course coming up with SoCalSuoermoto and can’t wait!
I had friends in California that converted their Husqvarna 500 2 Strokes.. The assholes at the Department of Motor Vehicles cannot stop you under modification classification especially in certain counties of California..
Great video.. I’ve been riding for years. Built a 04 crf450 when I worked at a Honda dealer forever ago. You’re right, we are proud of our builds.. this ignited my wants for another super moto. Subbed
If you can find a dealer and have the money - get a TM. These are just the best Supermotos. Price is lower and Maintaince is about the same level as KTM 450/500. 2 and 4 Strokes available. Stay away from the Aprilia SVX cause its engine with its high and very expensive maintaince just bleeds you out. Reliablity nothing gets over the 650 thumpers (if you do the service) but they are also on the heavier side and will be never as mimble as you really want it (thats the true advantage of the 690smr cause they got the handling very right) and if you upgrade them you will end on the price tag like a factory 701 but again will not have bike which handles like it. SWM is also high maintaince frequency just like the original Huskies. 300L is very low maintaince, low weight, low starting price but also so less power than you can also buy a Fantic/Beta 125cc 4T Supermoto and just put a 160cc large Bore Kit in it and they will eat 300L for breakfast cause much better suspension and even less weight.
I drive a 92´Dominator converted to 17", 01´Cagiva Navigator converted to 17", 97´Derbi Senda L 80cc converted to 17" but best true Sumo was Fantic SM 50 after spending almost 5k on "research&developement"...lol...and when i got my pocketmoney together, ill get a Fantic TZ 125 2stroke with its might 125cc GasGas engine XD
Do you get TM motorcycles in the US? They are the kings of SM!
About the SWM... KTM just bought the Husqvarna name, the factory was bought by an Italian firm, with Chinese backing, and started building the Husqvarnas under the revived SWM badge. (SWM have other models that are half of fully Chinese, these are Husqvarnas). The SWM also has a REALLY nice riding position, much prefer it to the Gas Gas etc.
I bought a Lextra 300, 2 stroke ( in USA and UK is imported with name of GPX), I changed the spokes, rims and tyres, from 21/18 to 17/17. I have my supermoto 2stroke.
I took my '18 KTM 300xcw title to the auto tags shop and they handed me a plate right there. No trickery or loopholes!
I live in PA and we don't exactly have relaxed vehicle laws like some other states. If you have one, try it, best "dual sport" I've ridden, and future sumo😈.
I did the same thing with a '04 450exc that I got at around half the price that I paid for a '04 DRZ 400s, and the 450 has half the miles/ hours. Also, it objectively performes better in EVERY way. KTM 450 might be the best bang for the buck dual sport??? I saw quite a few nice 450s and even some 520/ 525s at, and well under, the usual $4K price point of decent DRZs. Supposedly they're actually extremely reliable too, but only if keept on top of their short service intervals (one downside vs. the DRZ, but definitely worth the little extra effort imo)
The KTM 640 is an underrated machine! All models absolutely rip and they’re all true supermotos, no electrics big single cylinder thumpers! The KTM 660 is potentially the GOAT of built for purpose supermotos, go get it!
The 500cc 2 Strokes are fun.. But as a super Moto they drink a lot of gas.. I think the 250s are the best Super Moto setup equipped with a desert tank.. Easier to mix your pre-mix if you have to at the gas station.. In the two-stroke world that 250 is equal to a 500 might as well be equal to a 650 when you look at the toilet design of the actual super motos.. You must build your own from scratch that the new KTM 2 stroke fuel injected might be the ticket like a feather.. 125 super motos would be a blast to.. And with a desert tank you won't have to worry about running out of gas.. Super high revs.
Yep, any big Japanese Manufacturer is going to be a reliable bike if you change the oil....maybe even if ya don't but that's
why almost anything can work. Electric stuff..... the DC Motors can absolutely do the job but the fact of the matter is that
our energy grid is already on it's last legs right now & can not handle electric cars/bikes on top of the demand. What fires
the electric plants when a river/lake isn't available is coal, gas type liquids, and some natural gases but using fossil fuels
is why they claim we need electric vehicles to begin with.... things are backwards & upside down but I digress. I love the
ideas about these bikes & I'm in the market for a 1st bike in over 20 yrs.... I like what I'm seeing so thanks for the videos.
I built my Xr650r with takasago supermoto wheels. High compression piston and FCR carburator from Crf450. It was a rocket 🚀 i miss that bike. BRP for life
It is the coolest guy made a Super Moto video but he completely does not understand super motos.... The reason you have a Supermoto is to convert to CR500 or 250 or any two-stroke motorcycle motocross bike into a Supermoto so you can ride your two-stroke on city streets.. Why would you want a 650 toilet 4-stroke when you can get a 250 that weighs less than half the weight and can go much faster.. And you can run aviation fuel or racing fuel in it it's like having a Formula One on the street.. Much cheaper much more worth the money.. Then you will get everybody looking at it It looks so cool with the expansion chamber. You can tame the sound with a decent Muffler.
The chinese company Lextra ( GPX) produce a 4 stroke supermoto, I think is 450cc and very very good price.
I’m restoring a 1995 ATK 250 LQ. I’m going to build a supermoto and sell it to a crazy kid.
The Aprilia SXV 550 is some sort of satanic beast that came out of an underwater giant supervolcano, it scares the s..t out of you and everybody around you. Especially with the single underseat racing exhaust that somehow got homologated in some corrupt eastern european country. That thing was built for one purpose and one purpose only: entire world extermination (and also for your wallet's extermination since the maintenance is Lamborghini-level). Only for experienced riders.
I have an XR650r sm and it's awesome, but the Aprilia is on an other level.
I have ridden a drz400sm and a ktm 500 exc and loved noth but i just picked up a 2023 husqvarna 701sm and couldn't be happier. Most fun I have ever had on a bike. You don't care how much you spent when your riding this thing.
Interesting…why the 701 over the 500exc…bc I have the 500 and I personally went with it over the 690 bc of the weight and the fact that it’s a dirt bike for all intents and purposes
@@tjlovesrachelthe 500 is underpowered for the type of street riding I like to do
Yea it’s not great for the dirt like the 500 but for me personally I like the power range of the 701 for street
I’ve ridden the 500 exc and you have to do a lot of gearing changes to make it more suitable for highway riding.
What I wish I would’ve done is bought the 701E instead of the 701SM though because you can’t wheel swap the 701SM due to the brake and fork setup
So the 701E would’ve been a better buy for doing both street and dirt
I've been wanting to convert my XR650R to SM for years. Maybe it's time.
Just sold my 06 KTM 625 SMC to a co-worker and he is nothing but smiles for it. It took him two years to convince me to get rid of it. I also owned a 2015 Hypermotard SP which I used as a down payment on an F150 a few years ago. The Ducati was a fun bike for the back roads of the Oregon Coast, but as a former motocrosser of 22 years the KTM was more fun with less power.
I’ll stick with the Honda xr650l for $5999 and will last forever, set of tires have a super moto, put back the enduro tires have an adventure bike just a better deal ( for poor working people )
KLR650 Weight reduction down to 350lbs wet, intake exhaust and carb mod. Best supermoto!
You can even ride in the California national parks with your two-stroke Supermoto with a license plate.. Even though they were banned almost 20 years ago from National Forest you can watch the forest rangers shit a Twinkie
I built mine from an EBR-1190sx. Then I got into electric unicycles. What a beautiful ride I had today (44 mph, 13 miles).
Several years ago I had a full MX-built Honda CRF450*R* and a built CBR1000RR (both same year) .. at that time I was MUCH more comfortable on my street bike than I was on my dirtbike, but I LOVED and rode them both alot!!
But the most fun I EVER had on a bike was when I put the supermoto wheel kit and changed the gearing/sprockets on my crf450r..
Also I live in a place where the law is very loose on what is considered road-legal..
I have a 1989 Honda CR250 registered with super moto
Had it from brand new
Yeah ? But your no where near as Unusually talented as or as Crazy as us 85-86 ATC250R riders.
Aprillia was the best looking and best sounding bike
I raced supermoto when they came out. Friend of me had a factory 450 in 2006/2007
Electric bikes is our future cause we've given up on 'power to the people'. We just do whatever we're told and normalize it by saying its 'the future'. edit -the electric stuff is expensive and sucks. -No range.
I know of at least 1 2002 cr250r supermoto plated floating around in the USA that I built and sold now I have crf450rx supermoto
You've missed a few used street legal ones - Husky 610 & 630, Yamaha 660, BMW 650 etc
i’ve been eyeballing the older (2001-08) husqvarna 610sm but man the reliability scares me. Don’t wanna drain my nutsack just to keep my bike going.
I have a 2020 Yamaha WR250R. I love it as a dual sport. You Can carve a canyon then go ride a trial without changing a thing. Cheapest, yet the best bike I've ever ridden. Will hang onto until death Lmao. I'm literally getting it buried next to me...I'm not kidding even a little bit...seriously.
Want a classic cheap? Nicer than this new stuff? Find a xr 600r Honda. Rock that. Parts are available. True Trumper and dependable.
I lived in SF. I put street tires on my BRP. It had plenty power but the best thing was the view. You can't see crap on a gsxr. You can see something bad coming a lot quicker on a dirt bike and nothing could beat you in town.
Nice vid thanks.
I saw one mistake that I'd like to bring to your attention. The first image you show when talking about the XR 650L at 16:29 is actually the XR 650R. The 650R is a bike designed for desert racing, the Baja in particular, and it was particularly successful. Also a good platform for SM with engines lasting around 60-80k miles before needing a rebuild in cases.
The L and R bikes share no parts whatsoever.
yea it was hard to find good images of the 650L in sumo trim Most of those older conversions were the 650R Alot of the XR400s kept coming up too
@@derekjooste9339 you are right and wrong....the bike in the image is not the 650 R IT IS 600 R ...650R IS LIQUID COOLED BIG RED PIG ...LOL THAT BIKE SHARES THE SAME ENGINE AND MANY PARTS WITH THE L VERSION. FYI.
@@crashalexander7232 I just double checked, if you pause the video you can see the radiator, the 650R on the seat and radiator shrouds and I checked the lines of the bike again. It looks a lot like the 02 650R I used to own.
But yes, I've heard that the 650L is based on the 600R.
Also, there are no cooling fins on the motor that I can see.
sadly KTM prices went up so crazy up that nobody can afford prebuild SMC bike now.
Like how you talked about the wr250 because it is exactly what I want to do to mine. Also have a wr400 with a 426 motor in it and both my 400/426 and the 250 are street legal, just need safety for it and be mint. All the wr motors are pretty much the yz motor cross bikes with taller ratio gears and they did some stuff with the CDI box but it's easy to delete the limiters or at least on the old carby ones.
Probably going to anger a lot of people but I don't think the KTM 700 or 690 should be categorized as a sumo if it's more into the super hooligan super Moto's bikes under 500 cc
Currently doing a CRF250L supermoto build!
2005 ktm 525sx 6 spd out of an exc, and the electric start as well, 544 bb kit , hotcam, full white bros exh, ported polished head , minor valve job, dyno at 167bhp, pure evil.
I run a Maico 490......two stroke RULES !!!!!! 107 kg
Built mine out of a crf450R! Yeah it vibrates a lot and is older so kickstart only but all my friends that ride with me see me and try it out and realize why I love it. I picked up the 450 in dirt form for $1500, reset valves and cleaned the carb so did some time investment, but otherwise I think I got in super cheap
My KTM vibrated like hell to but I didnt care
iv got a 22 CRF450r-s I'm really contemplating on converting to a SM