I KNOW ALOT OF PEOPLE ARE MAD ABOUT WHAT I SAID ABOUT COUNTER STRIKE; I made a very good follow up video where I corrected my mistakes ruclips.net/video/Osk_r0d2WT0/видео.htmlsi=zxY4FVjSOunKpIbf
between friends quitting, cheaters, toxicity, the live service graveyard, greed and well...having no skill or talent in competitive gaming, it certainly makes single player games a lot more appealing
Yup, I quitted on pvp games not too long ago. It's better to go gud old singleplayer games and ofc everyone's sick of live services irregardless of types
I honestly thought I was in a fringe group that felt this way.. thinking I’m depressed or something.. “why don’t I enjoy this anymore??” I remember a time where I went years without playing a single player game. Now that’s pretty much all I play. I’m also getting older IE getting slower which means I get dunked on pretty regularly in games like valorant or StarCraft.
Honestly, as games like Tarkov keep popping up and the genre growing larger (likely to replace the dying Battle Royale genre), the amount of cheaters that have been showing up in...well, basically all games, has just. Skyrocketed. I literally can't play any multiplayer games anymore without encountering them all the time. Even Payday 3, a non-competitive multiplayer game, I constantly run into people using exploits or cheats. In a game where we're all on the same team. To play a game. For fun. Like jesus christ, it's an epidemic.
@@KyryanRose Tbh i want to see a fighting game combined with shooter elements. Personally i can think of something like MGS where there is cqc, thou this time cqc is the main mechanic and shooting with a gun takes a back seat. Basically I'm saying i want a john wick game.
The issue with Respawn is that their team is insane when it comes to casual gaming, they didn't only create Titanfall 2 but they also made the best Call Of Duty Games in that franchise. Now that they tried to make Apex be competitive they have created such a bizarre thing where it isn't good at either, this is also why Apex is the only game with the controller aim assist issue. As it is based on a CASUAL GAME that was popular on console and didn't wanna lose all of their players from there
alot of those devs that made titanfall 2 that also made apex legends have dipped out. Alot of them are working at a new studio I forgot the name, but the new devs just arent doing shit under the banner of Respawn
@@peomaster6914 I disagree with that completely. Competitive apex is the only thing that keeps the game alive. Besides the comp scene there is no media content surrounding apex and without content it would be forgotten fairly quickly. Embracing the comp side fully would create a far more consistent and dedicated fanbase than the game currently has. This seasons botched ranked system is responsible for all time lows in player population. Even if apex were developed as a casual game the mechanics, intentional or otherwise, don't lend themselves to a casual experience.
@@qwertyg3666 I agree with the first argument as a competitive apex enjoyer, however my criticism towards respawn isn't really that Competitve is bad but rather that they were originally casual game makers and never intendeed apex to be a fully competitive game , Thus they have failed to make competitive apex reach its full potential. For example, Valorant was pretty much created with the intention of being a competitve game, Apex wasn't and it is clear that their creators didn't inteend to create a competitive game and don't know how to handle it properly. I do apologise for the original laguage i used in the comment since reading it back i disagree that apex isn't good casually or competitively
@@peomaster6914 I agree with that tbh. It wasn't intended to be a competitive game but the mechanics (many of those accidental) made it one. As you said the devs unwillingness to commit to that has left the game feeling very lacking recently. It is too complex to function as a casual game these days. In part due to todays gaming attitudes and in part due to established skill gap. Trying to tow the line for both is going to kill the game sooner or later. Either they need to remove advanced movement which would make it boring to any skilled players and kill content creation and algs or completely overhaul ranked, remove sbmm and nerf aim assist in some capacity which would drastically lower player count as the average players would all leave.
I used to play paintball competitively growing up, when i turned 18 i turned it into a profession and it was essentially real life videogames. I learned quick that those at the top of skill were all using steroids, total assholes, cheaters, and i realized quickly i didnt want to spend my life playing a game. So i left and my friends stayed and essentially went no where getting 4th place for over a decade. It is easy to want to be pro gamer as a kid, because your peers are there and small hunks of money seem grand, the reality is your best bet is to become a prime asset for someone to market with, and skinny frail boys are not very attractive.
Agree besides that last part where I think u should be saying eSports players are typically not very attractive because most male models are exactly "skinny frail boys" as you put it and companies have 0 issues whatsoever marketing with them lmao.
i think the main problem is that,these games are LIVE SERVICE.which means the games rules(i mean literally the rules as in the engine,the numbers,new guns or champions anything what creates THE GAME) are changed by the developer and not the communities.even if the community couldnt change the code,they can always literally just make up rules for what gives you points or what you cant do. in sports,which are literally just games, they make rules and people play within those rules and make new games,and if people dont like how the rules are they make a new game or new leagues with different rules.with live service,even if you like a specific patch you like you cant just keep playing that and let it grow for years and have only the competitive scene figure out what are the best rules for it,since the game developers own the game and can do whatever the fuck they want. and we have many examples of non live service games,OR games which USED to be the current patch and was made available illegally staying alive for 20+ years. most famously you have sc:broodwars or super smash bros melee and various other older fighting games but, you have the wow pvp private server scene,AT being the biggest example which made people QUIT the current patch and go play there(famously reckful,hydra,bunch of other r1/gladiator players played there) it was the most competitive wow pvp scene ever,several thousand players only in that ONE server playing ONLY hardcore pvp. ,you have shmups genre,which are incredibly difficult 2d scrolling shooters,some having been out for over 40 years and still managing to get their high scores beaten. you have the whole speedrunning genre, you have rhytm games where games like 4key for stepmania or 7key for bms are 20+ years and people are still pushing human limits with new scores and there is new content made by the playerbase constanly and lastly you have DMC which is a 3d single player action game based around killing demons in a stylish way,which you might think cant be competitive, but the games incredible variety and inhuman precise input requirements allows crazy things to happen, the community has figured out ways of describing what different skills you need to do for different things and that allows people to push for pure skill progression and artistic expression within community made rules,just like traditional sports. i am sure there are some other high skill games which i havent even found yet which have had a long ongoing history. all of these games have been alive for over TEN years without developers touching the games,and all of them keep having new innovation within the games without developer intervention, new talent coming in, people pushing their skill level, and most importantly the COMMUNITY manages to still make their own community events for tournaments, or score posting or anything to show off your skill. you dont need millions of people to play your game to have a competitive scene,you just need a couple thousand dedicated people to keep it going.
Tbh though i think valorants success in the competitive scene rn can be attributed to it being newer. Like year 3-4 of games is typically where they peak before going downhill. Before they run out of ideas and effort and care for the community past monetary gain. Give it 1-3 more years and it’ll be no different than the others
Valorant is also extremely simple. All of its mechanics have an air of familiarity to them. Even when it released, it instantly got compared to Overwatch and CS
@@ScripFingyeah Valorant is easy to start, but extremely hard when you get to the pro level as there is an insane amount of strategy. you are either a noob or you haven't even watched any pro game to think that Valorant is easy
This was an incredibly good video, as someone who has grinded overwatch and fortnite ranked I really relate. Once again, I'm blown away by the the production value and insight this channel shows. Big ups to you citrus!
FORTNITE was never intended to be a long-term esport. The $100 million cup was EPIC Games Store marketing. The play was to convince tens of thousands of kids that they can make some cash on the game and everyone has to install the EPIC Game Store launcher. Keep them coming back with free games every month and try our best to be the first digital game storefront you visit. Brilliant tactic to displace Steam honestly.
This could just be me, but I’ve always played Single Player games, but I’ve never finished them. Stuff like FTL, Slay the Spire, Celeste(really good game btw) and Monster Hunter. All really good games but never had the interest to finish them and I always found myself dumping more and more time into “Competitive Games” like R6, OW, and CS, and even a bit of COH2. I never knew the reason why I was so attached to these games, but eventually even though I had a lot of fun on them. I never played them to completion.
As an apex player, I agree that respawn also has to take some responsibility. EA is more to do with the constant flow of skins and cash grabs and events, if something goes wrong in ranked changes or nerfs going bad that’s on respawn. EA being the publisher is more worried about money and therefore getting skins and collection events.
@@JigolopuffI can assure you, matchmaking sucks just as much for higher skill players and grinders. As a casual it's not fun to get rolled by preds, as a pred it's not fun to get level 50 randoms, it's just bad for everyone. If you're not stacking this game is awful.
Worst part about apex is the community acting like the glitches are core mechanics of the game. Like if you mash jump and croutch of a specific frame while climbing something your character flies across the room...or change your settings and bind move forward to your mouse wheel that way you can float in circles midair... its ridiculous these things exist in the game longer than punching supply bins to fly across the map.
Fortnite had everything laid out for them to be the best esport, but they added that one stupid thing that ruined it all, the mech, aim assist in chapter 2 season 2, and ballers.
I agree with the BRUTE mech (although in Ch2 S8 it was heavily nerfed), but I'm not so sure about the Ballers lol (they were really fragile but they were fun and had good mobility) I think Epic should add cool items and vehicles, but they also need to make them fun to fight against! I think one example is the TITAN tank because even though it had heavy armor and an anti-infantry turret, it's cannon wasn't very good at close range and there were many ways to counter it (Weakpoints, ANVIL rocket launcher, Heavy Sniper, C4)
@@pls_stap_ In this case, I’m talking about competitive fortnite, and ballers were a pain in that scene cuz all people did was run around until last zone. You can watch end games of comp fortnite during that time and see the final zone just be 50 ballers running around, it was boring. Ballers were cool in casual though.
@Julio-wp2co Ohh that makes sense lol I 100% agree that most gimmicky stuff or heavy vehicles are unhealthy for comp Maybe some gimmicky stuff can go in, but it would be hard to find something that's just right (As in fun enough to be unique, but not to gimicky that it's hard to fight with or against)
I would disagree battle royale are inherent flawed esports due to the amount of RNG to a battle royale and how much of the game is left up to luck not to say there's no skill but the best player doesn't always win
It’s weird because the surge of gamers and streamers should’ve been great for gaming but ultimately brought the biggest wave of fatigue the scene has ever witnessed.
i feel the main problems are 1.cheaters 2.pointless drama in the community/company,etc 3. balancing the fun out of the game/lowering the skillgaps 4.the game's core mechanics being dated 5.playing the same thing all over and over is tiring and some games like br/extraction are tiring to play already 6.the company "stimulating" the growth of of the esports community with money instead of the game being fun
I agree with most of your takes but the exceptions would be CSGO and league. CSGO is actually doing great right now; it's broken it's own concurrent player records several times this year. Yes CS2 is a very slow dripfeed but GO is thriving in the meantime. Also yes league is dying in NA but in Korea especially and China it's doing great.
Literally League is only dying in the US, everywhere else it's either doing fine or great. Hell last years Worlds peak viewership beat it's last peak by over a mil viewers.
@@Schimml0rdbruh you think they care that much? Not really just like the 5 percent of people who watch esports in NA is a lot smaller than 5 percent of people in China
I was genuinely believe that the esports can elevate the overall experiences of competitive games. I expected that the idea of "massive people sharing the same interest and doing participation in the game circles" to be a worthwhile experience for me and general people. But it turns out that they just focusing on improving their games only in competitive aspects and using esports scene as a proof of their success. Also, the communities tend to be toxic due to their excessive competitive nature and their game competitiveness inflation. It's better off to avoid playing those games because those games do harm to player's mentality.
I know this video isn't super recent but as someone who was SUPER into competitive PVP a few years back but has since went back to almost entirely playing single-player games, man I get it. I was really into R6 Siege during it's competitive high time, but I played the game since launch and I played Overwatch for years into Overwatch 2. I think what killed it for me was just how, out of nowhere, it seemed like everyone who played a competitive shooter essentially wanted to be a pro. OW1 I was a high gold and plat player, in OW2 I was a high gold player, and I was really happy at that level. But every game I have people spamming chat on how to play, I have friends telling me how they think I should play, I have people religiously parroting points from Flats of any of the various actual Pro players even though the player in question might be low silver or bronze. It just felt like a major disconnect happened where these games couldn't just be enjoyed as competitive experiences, but instead EVERYONE has to be playing to the meta at all times and your gameplay is religiously scrutinized in (lets be honest here) very casual lobbies. I would almost call it the "casualization of pro play." I just got tired of it, so I dipped. And honestly, I don't miss it.
feeling very jaded with them aswell glad I’m not the only one. it’s always good to take a break and check in on other scenes but the general feeling is that of getting older, getting time to breathe and live with these games and in the end it is like you said, there is so much more to do in life other than committing yourself to mediocre games in the hunt for a drop of serotonin. games simulate what it feels like to achieve something meaningful yet lack the depth of the real world so being on the journey feels worthwhile but it will never replace doing something meaningful with your life.
i dont know, i always found me comeback at esport scene despite all of the people in the world are put up by comp game, i dont know, is thatcalled passion too?
I play competitive games casually, and I don't watch esports very often. The few I do watch are just fighting games, I think they're just more interesting.
Another thing that definetely affects eports and competitive gaming is the economy. It is hard to watch/play a competitive game several hours a day when you have to pay expensive rent and food.
Honestly fighting games is the only genre of video games where competitive esports can naturally exist. The existence of EVO is a clear example of that sentiment. Additionally Capcom, ArcSystem and Bandai Namco are like the only companies I know that host their own tournaments out of celebrating the culture around fighting game over using it as a means to generate revenue. I mean for christ sake. The Evo tournament for Street Fighter 6 is going to have a prizepool of 2 million dollars completely out of Capcom's own pocket. It's the only competitive community with a relatively positive and casual friendly community. Name me any other competitive scene that can outmatch Evo Moment 37?
@@pank3245 I agree with you but the LoL is a weird thing, it goes down and up all the time. Im just waiting for project L, that will be massive, im sure of it
I agree to an extent. CSGO is still one of steams most played games and continues to break records on steam for concurrent players so I’m not sure where you’re getting the impression that the game has poor player numbers. It’s also been consistently the esport with the most viewership outside of league and dota, Valorant has also recently been surpassing CSGO event viewership as well. Both titles are far more popular than OW or the OWL ever was.
The funny thing is valve doesnt even give a shit about cs esports. Like, league and dota both push super hard on their tournaments, spend a ton of money, offer huge prizes, and with dota the god of gaming himself graces us with his presence every major event. Cs is just... there. No big prize pools, little marketing, nothing. Yet it's got crazy good crowds, passionate and extremely good teams, deep history and its probably the easiest to follow for someone who doesnt play
I think the amount of games being released and available has also increased in recent years, and that players no longer stick to one core game but often jump between them much more than before.
I had no prob quiting these games for better smaller games. The biggest push was battle passes. Nothing pushes me away like a game making me feel i have to play even when i dont want to.
I think you missed one big problem with gaming today. Too many players that aren't gamers. There are so many people in the last few years who I have spoken to who simply aren't interested in a game beyond a functional knowledge. Players who don't want to put in the time or effort to get good but who voice opinions on balance anyway regardless of their lack of understanding. Apex is an excellent example of this. The majority of the playerbase doesn't understand why seer is a problem because he's not a popular pick in lower ranks (or mmrs this season) or pubs. They think the nerfs to seer are unwarranted because they lack the deeper understanding of how much of an impact the character makes when there are two well coordinated teams fighting because most apex players hard crutch on aim assist and have no situational awareness nor desire to learn anything more than shoot gun point blank over and over. I honestly believe that oversaturation of casual players in competitive game modes is the most destructive thing to competitive gaming. Hand in hand with that is the idea that anyone can or should be able to achieve any rank. The vast majority of players should be (in the case of apex) gold or below if the ranked system is working correctly but people can't cope with the idea that they are average anymore.
I literally just want to play a game for fun, not sit down for hours to quote on quote “get good.” Last time I checked games were meant to be a fun experience not some dopamine release sweat feast.
@@Rolkey A dopamine release is what makes a game fun, additionally if that is your outlook on games, not wanting to learn a more advanced skillset, that's fine so long as you avoid ranked modes and understand that you will get rolled by players who invest more in the game. The game shouldn't be easy for you because you don't want to learn more and you shouldn't be playing any sort of ranked mode because as stated that isn't the type of gaming you enjoy. Furthermore, you should appreciate that with that mindset you will lack the understanding to comment on a games balance or complain about it since your skill level will be a greater factor than any balancing. Finally with that mindset you must also accept that you will not do particularly well in any game that you play and if that means that you are not having fun that is on you and not the game.
I agree with this. Although I feel as though it’s a mix of casual players + clout chasing. The rise of streaming hit a saturation point and now here we are. Eventually they’ll abandon the gaming scene and we can get back to how we used to game
Personally i think what really makes a competitive game fun is having a good focus and entertaining the casual crowd ironically. I remember the burgeoning community that was forming around games like rainbow six siege and overwatch back in 2017 where people were so enthusiastic about the games and telling all their friends about it and bringing them into those games (i personally did the same with siege bringing along a good bunch of friends). This was around the same time that these 2 games (can speak for only these 2 since i kept up with them) had some of their best content releases and greatest numbers. R6 esports was growing big in that same era to the point that fans were booking flights from australia, brazil, etc. all the way to canada to attend the six invitationals. Now the six invitationals can barely fill a third of a stadium even on the finals days. There’s something about community, the fun factor, making new friends and the combination of these three things which i think really makes a competitive game get famous and actually sustain itself. Valorant is currently doing just that and it seems to be working, as you mentioned valorant is prolly the only competitive fps esports which is relevant rn. The community around valorant is vibrant and people talk and end up knowing each other through social media and connecting just on the basis of their love for the game. Where it all went wrong was when all competitive/online gaming in general just became a cash cow that had to be milked in any way possible
I stopped competitive games a couple years ago due to life and general burnout on multi-player games. Finally decided to come back a couple weeks ago and can't seem to find anything that'll scratch the itch. All these games feel more like they are designed to make me spend money than to provide me with a good time.
Watching this 3 months later and oh boy it's hilarious in hindsight, specifically when it comes to Apex. We went from one season where ranked has no meaning or value (super easy to rank) to another season that has no meaning or value. The main difference is that this time it's because you have to sell your family and quit your job before you can get any meaningful progress in ranked. Yeah... I'll just stick to single-player games for a while.
I heard no lies, I grinded overwatch competitive ladder and I’m in career with responsibilities and actual real life goals so I don’t have the time to spend 2-4 hours a night just to leave the night at the same rank lol
You're section on csgo was short, and I think thats because it's not dying at all. Csgo esports is big, and not getting smaller, and unlike what you said, the casual fanbase isn't dying and cs is consistently hitting new peaks even past what they were getting in covid.
Lol esport got really big with teams like Solary or Kcorp. Nowadays in France it's one of the biggest games ever and it's competitive scene is going hard, it actually brought a lot of people into the game, even people who don't play that much. So it's not only popular just in China.
The smurfing problem is really tricky bc, let's take R6 as an example: if you have a top and bottom rank players, how do you balance this? Put them to compete in the level of the highest rank player (that's what is usually done) and the worse player can't play, but if you put them in a lower rank match, the top rank just dominates.
Some people like the idea of competitive video games and esports until they actually experience it. I used to play in a high school esports league. Before the season started, we tried to "recruit" players. Dozens signed up and attended the meetings, yet only a fraction remained just a few weeks later simply because they underestimated or simply didn't like what it took to be a competitive player. Now these days, competitive modes and games are seen as "unfun" games since some people feel like competitive takes away what makes a game fun when it's just a matter of personal preference. I personally love competitive games as gaming has always been my main competitive outlet, but for those that already have that elsewhere (jobs, sports, etc.), competitive gaming can be an instant turn-off for them.
Agreed, I’ve got a long time been saying that people who just default to ranked for no reason and assume pro play is just like ranked are completely misguided. People take ranked more seriously and allow it to upset them more but don’t play with more effort and just cause a negative feedback spiral. Like no one is forcing you to play comp in every game, just play casual. Not to mention what you said about structured play which requires way more effort and commitment and most people don’t care that much but tryout anyways then flake when push comes to shove
I’ve been absolutely loving Valorants competitive gaming scene. Even while I’m taking a break from the game itself, tuning into the VCT lock in tournament and masters, Tokyo we’re so much fun!
I just decided to go back to games like Battlefield 4 and Gmod. especially Gmod... the amount of fun I've had playing that isn't even comparable to what any game of the last 5 Years has brought to Me.
I would argue that the reason these games are getting stale is because they have really stunted the growth and exploration of game development. Every game you mentioned except LOL was a shooter. If you’ve played one you’ve played them all except titan fall which arguably did some new stuff. But pve games have been evolving even if they have evolved poorly. Someday soon people aren’t gonna be interested in fps games much and then what will these companies do? Probably pack up and leave games for those indi developers making hollowknight and stuff.
Competitive multiplayer games are literally drugs. You're given a free sample, and then you get hooked. You start spending money on lointless things that only please you a little bit. Then the game becomes a life style, now it's not about fun anymore, you HAVE to win to advance in the game (causes you to mald). Competitive multiplayer games are so bare bones on content too. The whole gameplay loop on them is just queue up for a match, kill some people for a 3 second long dopamine hit, die. ("Did Iever tell you... what the definition of insanity is?"). Personally, ever since i stopped competitive pvp games, I can't recall a moment when i was angry while playing.
Honestly that is the saddest truth about the spiral down of esports, the games themselves are just worse. It's funny, because when the game is actually good you don't care if ultimately it is a waste of time shooting for pros because it's just fun whether or not you "make it." But when the game is bad, suddenly the fact it is a waste of time hits you hard and you just can't feel good playing.
Gaming as a whole is dying because people are realizing that its a waste of time and we got more important shit to worry about for the future of mankind.
@@brainbox9219Val is a bigger scene than cs because cs has a finite number of players that decreases and will never increase, Val still increases with every operator and new update. But League is the biggest esport no contest
you touched on it a little, but the fact that not only am i expected to keep up with this game, on top of all its updates, meta patches and tweaks, new seasons of content and skins, but that the other people playing are just not fun to play with or against! If they’re on my team they’re rude because of someone not performing to their standard, or on the other team just berating and flaming. Gotta love the cycle of muting the online players of my online game.
I think what interests me is well, it's not Fighting games that are suffering mostly. SF6 has taken the world by storm, you 100% know someone who played it. Evo had 700K unique entrances for SF6 ALONE. Tekken 8 has a lot of hype around it. I think what Esports within FPS games lack that FGs don't is stories/people who are relatable. Everyone knows Daigo vs Justin Wong, it's one of the biggest Esports moments EVER. Yet Justin and Daigo aren't these people we don't understand they are pretty human. The stories go from less about teams to 1 on 1 brawls to prove who is the best and they still trash talk. Sure the FGC has lower standards but it's also the one thriving the most. The people who run Evo literally got the keys (Or something major like that) and also a day dedicated to Evo. No other game/event has one single holiday dedicated to them, that is only Evo. Why? It's nerds like me who love their game and wanna push it to its limits see it pushed to it's limits and meet these people who are not much different from us beyond their skill.
The FGC has the "Hometown Hero" aspect that a lot of other esports games lack, all due to grassroots events being the foundation it was built upon. Modern eSports skip the grassroots step, and while that means a lot more money for contestants off the bat, it also makes the competitors feel alien to viewers.
I think there's a major reason that nobody ever talks about in these videos, and it's a pretty unpopular truth. The whole point of competitive games is improving (and ranking up as a side effect of that). But ultimately, improving in something where you have to compete against others takes tons of work and effort (or talent), and at that point, it feels less like a videogame and more like another life responsibility. Aot of people aren't actually that driven by improvement or true competitiveness. They're a little lazy and just want some dopamine to distract from life. They want enough challenge to feel cool, but not too much challenge to where it feels like a job. How many people watch those "10 tips and tricks to rank up" and queue 10 games a day on autopilot and call it grinding without warming up, dialing in for each game, making sure they're eating and sleeping well, vod reviewing themselves consistently, practicing their mechanics every day, and taking notes on pro vods? Most players in gold, plat, diamond, etc could rank up doing that a few hours a day every day for a few months. People don't do that because it feels like work - it's not that fun. And most people who are driven would rather put that effort into something with tangible returns like their career than a random videogame
Irony is that those esport games are not hard at all when you have tested most genres People think pvp = peak skill when no most of these pvp games are casual beasy at their core
I played alot of these games if not all, i have only really tried in was Rocket league. The reason i did it and why i stopped is i set myself a rank goal, and up until that point it was fun always getting better. After i got that rank i was better than the one friend i played with, and it didn't feel like i was getting better anymore. I think the complexity made it easier to visualize my progress, it doesn't feel like you are getting better when all you are doing is clicking heads. Going around looking for new smokes and flashes, then using them was satisfying (CSGO). But i didn't wanna play slow, and instead tried bhopping and such in comp games. Got some great clips out of it but it was not a strat that makes you rank up.
A big part of video game fun even in competitive settings is definitely your friends/friendgroup/teammates and the quality of the pvp/enemy players. I feel when i look back at times where i had fun even in games like league of legends it was always thanks to the people playing with or against me, wether it be something funny my premade/random teammate said or the enemy mid laner outplaying the fuck out of me. Its never truly been about the game or the game functions, its about player interaction, and that to me is what has suffered the most. Some of the coolest people ive met were complete strangers over the internet, but games seem to get less and less expressive, where people run to METAs or less skill expressive strategies. With most games seeming to lower the skill ceiling and raise the skill floor the player expression just dwindles. I wanna feel like im playing with or against other people not against cpus controlled by people, i wanna style on people and make them say something funny or rage on the mic, i wanna get styled on and bantered with. When you used to play games when you were younger with siblings or friends splitscreen you always had a extra level of interaction and to me online games felt like that for a long time, playing search and destroy lobbies with game chat only or going into a game of dust 2 and everyone com'ing but it seems that players want to interact with eachother less and less. Not to mention people getting bored or burnt out of the games they play even further reduces player counts that MAKE the games fun and reduce queue times, it makes the ones that still play want to play even less.
I basicly play these games for the friends I made while playing them. I have poured alot of time into the Splatoon 2 and 3 and I dont think I will ever regret that much at least. some of my best memories come from these games and the experiences they offered me.
this video makes me glad im a cs diehard. ive had mates leave to dedicate their lives to apex and valorant in their respective oce/aus scenes and now have dying games where cs is only hitting new peaks and has a new game coming. u give such disregard to that fact that csgo has the biggest playerbase on the biggest game platform and a budding social youtube scene surrounding the legendary pro scene. when cs2 drops, and the first major comes in march i think, i expect 2+mil viewers
imo problem with riot games is that they only care about their competitive scene that no one watches outside of china and korea, and profiting off k-pop skins or other wanker skins and buffing and/or keeping the champions that those skins are for broken for years on end
All the games that are coming out are not fun, but also I think we are getting older and the guilt when playing games. when you know you should be doing anything else but this, makes games really hard to commit too. Kids will play it for sure, but all the cosmetics are bought by teens and adults.
All these games have become unbearable to play, it's just a sweaty pissing competition, no room for fun. It's amazing how you can come away from a win with no joy whatsoever, and everyone pretends they had fun by saying "gg" like clockwork. Big stage audience eSports is probably one of the most cringe things in gaming history.
Esport has always been a joke when you know a lot about gaming People think peak gaming skill is pvp when no thry only play surface casual tier that everybody plays When i started more niche genre i realized those esport games are a joke and not even hard in both mechanical skill and depth
I am not a competitive sports player, but I did play overwatch 1 for a couple of years, then stopped when the enjoyment from the trans-media (animated shorts and comics for example) stopped drawing me back in. I imagine it might be the same for a large number of people out there too and for the other games.
TBH the issue with Competitive game modes is the influx of new player in the modes and then.....for OW specifically. If you choose to go Junk in QP into a zarya with a mercy pocket and an Ana pumping roids into their cheeks you are bound to loose...then they jump into comp and do the same...many times i have heard "its qp bro" or my fav in comp "It's just a game bro and my game so no" ...that is the issue here or at most 1/4th. Gamers need to be held responsible as well. OW2's matchmaking is pure trash on top of what i said prior
honestly seeing the "esports" scene telling people this is op and this and that is what makes me dislike the competitive gaming, like who would enjoy losing a lot forcing yourself playing a game, games are meant to play casually, to enjoy
I think LoL is big in other places, at least Korea. LoL is big, because it's free, easy to learn, and genuanly if you put in effort, you can get gold pretty easily, and for fun there are other modes for you, such as TFT and ARAM. But yeah, the competitive scene is on life support when 2 regions absolutely dominated all Worlds since Season 2, but I think they could turn it around just by deleting the cat (yes, one character caused the death of LoL esports)
You know that cat was the worst support on korea right? I think china and korea are better because they pick such weird things that in europe and america we dont see much. Like they use trundle support a lot. So weird
Bro do you even play league? There are only two game modes, summoners rift and aram. It gets old real fast. Also, the ranked system is broken where nobody can climb unless they want to play a thousand games a season or are a smurf.
@@karenwang313 Have you played any other ranked systems? It's not broken, when you are stuck in an Elo, the game thinks it's your ideal Elo, so it gives less and less points for winning, and takes away less and less points. There are no perfect systems, but as long as you communicate where you are in your rank, I don't have a problem
LOL esports is genuinely pretty interesting. Admittedly, anyone that has never played an isometric MOBA like LOL will see any match of league completely jarring because of in game models and skins and special effects but the appeal is team dynamic and synergies + the actual micro and macro gameplay (micro being the fast reaction mechanics and macro being the decision making that makes up the entire game) there are 150+ champs at this point and there can be a large number of team comps vs team comps. Esports team have genuine favoritism and popularity among fans. T1 is considered one of the best teams in league history because they won 3 world championship tournaments. I remember being excited when I watched the Edward gaming vs DWG in 2021 and seeing EG, an underdog team, beat DWG that just won worlds last year in 2020.
What makes everything even worse is the incline of monetization in these free to play competitive games. Back in the day I earned stuff while playing like skins and sprays, not everything is behind an outrageous paywall.
I’m gm on overwatch 2, was masters on apex 5 seasons ago and diamond on valorant. Trust me I used to yell at people who didn’t like the game I like and tell them they just didn’t like it cause they were bad.
The worst part about esports is it turns a GAME into a toxic community that is not fun to play with. I used to love CS but now i cannot play without dying 9/10 times from people who practice perfect map maneuvering
I suppose I have quite a lot to say on this topic since the entirety of esports was a very large portion of my life. Technically if I went back to the first game I played competitively it would be half of my life. My competitive experience started with Team Fortress 2 although it was mostly as a hobby and not through any actual desire to get good at video games. But in Overwatch I started to actively practice and tried to go pro. Which to some extent I did. I played in Contenders during high school, but eventually I decided to stop pursuing it around junior year and I decided to give myself a change of pace and compete in valorant instead. Which to some extent I was also successful in, competing in VCT although never making it super far. And my thoughts on the Esports landscape can be summarized with a paragraph or two. As an industry it has been waning for a while now, for a couple of years ever since the beginning of the pandemic. And even though yes people tuned in on the other side as a competitor I felt as though there was a shift in the way people saw esports. It was turning away from the core of a passionate group of players who wanted to see how good they could get. And it was turning into a business. I don’t have any resentment over this fact, and I think the people who can succeed in this area should. But It wasn’t what made me want to compete and that’s why I stopped competing. But I would never call the time I spent in esports a waste of my time. I learned so many life lessons, good habits for work ethic. And got exposed to new hobbies that I focus on now. Things like game design/development, video production, graphic design etc. If that’s all that you wanted to know then, I suppose that’s it but I also want to give my two cents on most of the topics that were mentioned in this video. Overwatch was a really, really good game. And I genuinely loved it and I can’t lie I still do love the game. And I honestly wish the game makes a comeback, because that universe is so well made I want other people to see the magic that the game once held. But the toxicity in that community can be on another level at times. Call of duty is an enigma to me. Because it doesn’t feel like an esport but it’s probably one of the closest games to the Arena Shooter format that I personally enjoy a lot. Apex was a great game and in many ways still is. I think the movement was really cool and the way it was pushed and developed over time was a really interesting thing to me. But yeah, aim assist really is annoying and from a competitive point of view I understand the hate for it. But personally I just do not give a shit about if a player uses MnK or Controller. Because something that I loved about apex is that it had some great depth in its Macro. And yeah many fights in apex are close range but a majority of those fights are won because a team has better positioning and had better macro than another. Having Aim assist or not isn’t going to matter when you make bad rotations and get pelted down and drained of your resources. And I don’t know if this is what you believe but the way you wrote this video made it seem that way. If you believe that in competitive fps games, aiming and good mechanics are the most important part about being good. You never understood why a competitive FPS game was hard in the first place. Fortnite is a really good casual game. Emphasis on Casual. I don’t think the game ever should’ve been taken seriously as an esport. It’s a fun game and when it is competitive I won’t lie the final zones are really cool to watch. But people aren’t playing Fortnite for the competitive gamemode. They’re playing for the wacky casual experience of seeing Goku get sidelined by Master Chief while Leon does a stupid dance. If you want to make the argument that it could’ve been a great esport, then sure it had the potential. But if it did, would it have been successful enough to do what they do nowadays. Another thing I noticed is when you said that you hated when respawn was being protected because they could use EA as an escape goat. I can’t help but feel like this was said a bit prematurely. No crap respawn does have some creative control but they take time to make sure when they drop a big content patch that it’s got good content in it. The launch trailers, the character designs. You mentioned yourself that the characters are Iconic looking. That’s because of the insane amount of work put in to make sure that they look iconic. Developers have said before how long it takes for 1 character to be developed all the way up until release. It takes them roughly 9 to 11 months. And that’s just characters. We still have maps, trailer animation, weapons, heirloom animations, new survival equipment etc. I don’t hate on Respawn because they make good content and they put in the time to make sure it’s good and I appreciate that. And I feel like the reason that we often get so many collection events is not because Respawn wants to only do Collection Events but because of the added extra cosmetic content, EA wants to keep pumping them out to make as much money off the sales as possible. I also have some feedback on your video if you’re interested. 1) I think you can work on your visual presentation, instead of the footage that’s out there from esports. Maybe you can find something that’s a bit more representative of the emotion you’re trying to show. Even in the esports space you can certainly find footage of players being disappointed to go alongside your own disappointment. 2) Those short moments where you add text to the screen trying to fix something you said, for example in CSGO when you talked about the player numbers. Something like this I think should be re-written and re-recorded. Because not everyone is constantly looking at the screen and not everyone is going to notice that text that’s up there for barely a second. 3) When you’re trying to talk about esports of a game, and you close the video by saying “I went over basically all of the major competitive esports games that even remotely matter.” You kind of show that you haven’t done all the research that you could have. You forget a massive game like Dota 2, or Rainbow Six Siege, or Rocket League, or Fighting Games as a whole (although I’m more willing to let that slide because esports and fighting games haven’t always mixed too well.) And then there are some games in here that have no point in the video. Like why was league of legends included if there’s nothing of substance to be said? The argument that it’s only popular in China doesn’t hold up. A sport like Cricket isn’t widely popular across the whole world yet people still enjoy it. Even though when I watch it I have no idea what on earth is happening. What about Ballet? Ice Skating, or even kayaking? If the game you have in the video of this topic has nothing to add to your argument or discussion then it really shouldn’t be there at all. Especially because there was something that happened this year that you could have talked about. Like the screenshot you used of the dispute between Riot and the players that could have led to the cancellation of an entire competitive season. 4) There are some times in the video where you’re quiet but I assume that’s because you might’ve leaned back as you were talking which I get, it happens.
Other than that though, it's a solid video, also if you want a recommendation of a game to look out for that is an FPS game that has a competitive edge and feels insanely fresh. I would recommend you take a look at "THE FINALS"
I genuinely miss the days when OW felt fun to play or watch. Now I keep coming back to it like an abused animal because of my love for it. I want to abandon this chapter of my life, but I know at its core that it could be a great game.
Ngl I love the cdl, and I am a average player in multiplayer ranked (kbm on console) and the reason I enjoy playing the game is learning the strategies, reading plays and maybe popping off every now and then on kbm. Leaving a controller for kbm has made cod so much more fun for me, because it shows my progression and faults very overtly. I enjoy watching the cdl for various ways a single kill can clutch all of the game modes
It’s just been so long since a genuinely unique competitive game has come out. I’d say the last one was Fortnite, but that was 6 years years ago (and it was also a complete accident, as the epic definitely did not expect for their goofy ass pve zombie game mechanics to actually work in a competitive environment.) Id agree that valorant is probably the best run competitive game right now, but at its core it’s pretty much just csgo, and isn’t completely unique like something such as Fortnite or overwatch.
I’m not trying to hate on valorant or anything but I don’t think any game will become as popular as Fortnite or overwatch esports unless they are also just as unique
Amazing video essay Big Citrus This video right here resonates the hell out of me. I remember I get rage over lose rank from Gold Nova 2 to 1 like every kids do. Now? I just went into CS2 in a 4 stack and just laugh over stupid plays we do. Even still I'm still hesitant to go any PVP games just because now of this generation its just people who wanna improve be better in the most toxically way possible.
I think FPS games are dying because the developers always solve problems by nerfing, after several repeated nerfs, the entire game atmosphere become very stagnant and often discourage creativity, thus dull and boring so no new players want to try. I'm talking to you, Ubisoft's Rainbow six Siege. and hope Valorant won't walk the same path.
You’re right. I used to grind Rainbow Six Siege religiously in 2020/2021 and just the way they balance the game pisses me off. Getting older too, you realize that pro gaming is such a niche part of the world still that it’s not worth the hours of grinding just to climb out of silver. Before you logged on to play with your friends, then one day you realize you’re the only one playing, then it’s time to move on.
Tbh the game has never been better in terms of balance, I've never grinded my life away, only played casually for a few years now but let me tell you the game feels great Dare I say it, just like the old days, except for the friends, all of them abandoned ship as they all do
The main problem with gaming is FPS’ are sweat fests where most people aren’t playing casually, lack of voice chatting and after every match it goes to a new lobby of people instead of keeping the same people but jumbling up the teams
@@thiccbeannyou hear that? Doesn't know one person who likes League. Your argument is defeated. League is not popular because this guy doesn't know one person who likes League.
as someone who played apex a lot in the early seasons and wanted to return a year ago as a casual guy playing after school, all i can say is "what happened to my game man"
Watching your 25 minute video on your video about eSports today fully validated how I legitimately did not want to invest myself into this thing. As someone who can change hyperfixations on a dime, live services and eSports contradict how I play games and I hated that so much. They want you to go for the long run so they can yank more money out of you, but honestly? It's just not possible for someone like me. As you said after all, we have better things to do anyway. I can't just play games or grind them all day, I have to find what I'm really good at. That Silver Rank won't get me a job.
Very interesting vid and puts a lot of the recent competitive/e-sports news and feel into a good perspective. I have only one issue though, I feel that there is a major asterisk to this. Fighting games and the FGC are at an all time high and are really only going up currently, EVO this year had its largest turnout ever with over 7k people for SF6 alone. I feel that a section of this video should have been talking about that, apart from that good vid
Moist critical had a video about that like a month back talking about how esports teams making a profit is like finding a pot of gold at the end of a rainbow it just does not happen
Great video, I agree with your points except the Valorant one. Valorant may be different but it will fall for exactly the same reasons it made it different, it's a game tailored to be 100% competitive with zero appeal to other kind of players, because of it's nature, power creep will be a problem, having so many shit on the screen will eventually turn it into League of Legends or Overwatch no one will humanly possible track whats going on on the screen, lack of content will be a problem, maybe an area of opportunity for PvE content in the future? But Riot games stance on PvE modes is harsh, see why League of Legends doesn't do events like Nexus Blitz anymore. And the flashyness of the new sensation will fall off. If your argument is that esports aren't profitable and that many people are already feeling competitive burnout, then Valorant will fail or fall off eventually. Personally I already feel the burnout of competitiveness, I'm not good because I really don't like being that competitive and I don't see the point in putting that many hours into practice when I can do other things like playing other games, I like games like Battlebit Remastered where heart and fun are the main courses of the game.
Given tencents past history with league of legends, I'm confident that the devs will add increasingly more broken characters to the game until half the roster is useless. Eventually, there will be so many characters that the barrier for entry will be too high for new players to start the game, just like what happened with league.
I've always been more of a singleplayer gamer myself, I have no time nor aspirations for competitive play, and from what I observed when I did do some ladder stuff its nothing but a toxic hellhole. I play my videogames to unwind, for escapeism from daily life and to relax. Competitive play only added more stress and venom. I can't truly shed a tear for its "death".
Ive been an fps gamer for roughly 25 years watched the old days of avp competitive quake competitive and modern games its gone downhill all around the industry this mans spitting nothing but Truth
A little bit late to this video but I think you're feeling something that others in many other games are feeling. Unless you've been grinding for something specific over and over for little to no progress, what you might be feeling isn't burn-out but rather Boredom.
I KNOW ALOT OF PEOPLE ARE MAD ABOUT WHAT I SAID ABOUT COUNTER STRIKE; I made a very good follow up video where I corrected my mistakes ruclips.net/video/Osk_r0d2WT0/видео.htmlsi=zxY4FVjSOunKpIbf
Kinda unrelated but what is the bgm of 04:39 i know i heard it before but can't remember it
Fam cs has 1 million avg players a day so i dont know how thats bad more then val avg per day
League of Legends just broke the record for the most viewership record with worlds 2023 so league is not going to die any time soon.
Lovely video
you're too "smart" 🐵🧠
between friends quitting, cheaters, toxicity, the live service graveyard, greed and well...having no skill or talent in competitive gaming, it certainly makes single player games a lot more appealing
Yup, I quitted on pvp games not too long ago. It's better to go gud old singleplayer games and ofc everyone's sick of live services irregardless of types
Yeah but when the friends are on those PvP games are awesome again ;)
I honestly thought I was in a fringe group that felt this way.. thinking I’m depressed or something.. “why don’t I enjoy this anymore??” I remember a time where I went years without playing a single player game. Now that’s pretty much all I play. I’m also getting older IE getting slower which means I get dunked on pretty regularly in games like valorant or StarCraft.
Honestly, as games like Tarkov keep popping up and the genre growing larger (likely to replace the dying Battle Royale genre), the amount of cheaters that have been showing up in...well, basically all games, has just. Skyrocketed. I literally can't play any multiplayer games anymore without encountering them all the time. Even Payday 3, a non-competitive multiplayer game, I constantly run into people using exploits or cheats. In a game where we're all on the same team. To play a game. For fun. Like jesus christ, it's an epidemic.
@@deepblue1846 well, then maybe it's abt time u change ur choice of games to co-op or single player
Fighting game are getting revived, while FPS are dying 💀
I wouldn’t even say that necessarily, but I see why it’s a common occurrence with FPS vs. Fighting game phenomenon
Current player count on steam for CSGO: 750k
Current player count for SF6 on steam: 24K
I like SF6 but you're just huffing copium.
@@BlueLightningSky "are getting revived" and it is really not that deep, because 24k for a fighting game is a LOT
@@BlueLightningSky Nah that's true-ish but Street Fighter just hit 2 million copies sold and is on all platforms while CS is only on PC.
@@KyryanRose Tbh i want to see a fighting game combined with shooter elements. Personally i can think of something like MGS where there is cqc, thou this time cqc is the main mechanic and shooting with a gun takes a back seat. Basically I'm saying i want a john wick game.
The issue with Respawn is that their team is insane when it comes to casual gaming, they didn't only create Titanfall 2 but they also made the best Call Of Duty Games in that franchise.
Now that they tried to make Apex be competitive they have created such a bizarre thing where it isn't good at either, this is also why Apex is the only game with the controller aim assist issue. As it is based on a CASUAL GAME that was popular on console and didn't wanna lose all of their players from there
alot of those devs that made titanfall 2 that also made apex legends have dipped out. Alot of them are working at a new studio I forgot the name, but the new devs just arent doing shit under the banner of Respawn
@@starteck11 Still apex is fundamentally a casual game, even if the devs don't do shit rn. Thats why competitively it is not going that well
@@peomaster6914 I disagree with that completely. Competitive apex is the only thing that keeps the game alive. Besides the comp scene there is no media content surrounding apex and without content it would be forgotten fairly quickly. Embracing the comp side fully would create a far more consistent and dedicated fanbase than the game currently has. This seasons botched ranked system is responsible for all time lows in player population. Even if apex were developed as a casual game the mechanics, intentional or otherwise, don't lend themselves to a casual experience.
@@qwertyg3666 I agree with the first argument as a competitive apex enjoyer, however my criticism towards respawn isn't really that Competitve is bad but rather that they were originally casual game makers and never intendeed apex to be a fully competitive game , Thus they have failed to make competitive apex reach its full potential. For example, Valorant was pretty much created with the intention of being a competitve game, Apex wasn't and it is clear that their creators didn't inteend to create a competitive game and don't know how to handle it properly. I do apologise for the original laguage i used in the comment since reading it back i disagree that apex isn't good casually or competitively
@@peomaster6914 I agree with that tbh. It wasn't intended to be a competitive game but the mechanics (many of those accidental) made it one. As you said the devs unwillingness to commit to that has left the game feeling very lacking recently. It is too complex to function as a casual game these days. In part due to todays gaming attitudes and in part due to established skill gap. Trying to tow the line for both is going to kill the game sooner or later. Either they need to remove advanced movement which would make it boring to any skilled players and kill content creation and algs or completely overhaul ranked, remove sbmm and nerf aim assist in some capacity which would drastically lower player count as the average players would all leave.
I used to play paintball competitively growing up, when i turned 18 i turned it into a profession and it was essentially real life videogames. I learned quick that those at the top of skill were all using steroids, total assholes, cheaters, and i realized quickly i didnt want to spend my life playing a game. So i left and my friends stayed and essentially went no where getting 4th place for over a decade. It is easy to want to be pro gamer as a kid, because your peers are there and small hunks of money seem grand, the reality is your best bet is to become a prime asset for someone to market with, and skinny frail boys are not very attractive.
Agree besides that last part where I think u should be saying eSports players are typically not very attractive because most male models are exactly "skinny frail boys" as you put it and companies have 0 issues whatsoever marketing with them lmao.
True
Same shit in sports and weightlifting
sounds like you got burnt out and the competition was too difficult.
@@rutgers182I'd quit, too, if all the competition was roided out tryhards.
i think the main problem is that,these games are LIVE SERVICE.which means the games rules(i mean literally the rules as in the engine,the numbers,new guns or champions anything what creates THE GAME) are changed by the developer and not the communities.even if the community couldnt change the code,they can always literally just make up rules for what gives you points or what you cant do.
in sports,which are literally just games, they make rules and people play within those rules and make new games,and if people dont like how the rules are they make a new game or new leagues with different rules.with live service,even if you like a specific patch you like you cant just keep playing that and let it grow for years and have only the competitive scene figure out what are the best rules for it,since the game developers own the game and can do whatever the fuck they want.
and we have many examples of non live service games,OR games which USED to be the current patch and was made available illegally staying alive for 20+ years.
most famously you have sc:broodwars or super smash bros melee and various other older fighting games but,
you have the wow pvp private server scene,AT being the biggest example which made people QUIT the current patch and go play there(famously reckful,hydra,bunch of other r1/gladiator players played there) it was the most competitive wow pvp scene ever,several thousand players only in that ONE server playing ONLY hardcore pvp.
,you have shmups genre,which are incredibly difficult 2d scrolling shooters,some having been out for over 40 years and still managing to get their high scores beaten.
you have the whole speedrunning genre,
you have rhytm games where games like 4key for stepmania or 7key for bms are 20+ years and people are still pushing human limits with new scores and there is new content made by the playerbase constanly
and lastly you have DMC which is a 3d single player action game based around killing demons in a stylish way,which you might think cant be competitive, but the games incredible variety and inhuman precise input requirements allows crazy things to happen, the community has figured out ways of describing what different skills you need to do for different things and that allows people to push for pure skill progression and artistic expression within community made rules,just like traditional sports.
i am sure there are some other high skill games which i havent even found yet which have had a long ongoing history.
all of these games have been alive for over TEN years without developers touching the games,and all of them keep having new innovation within the games without developer intervention, new talent coming in, people pushing their skill level, and most importantly the COMMUNITY manages to still make their own community events for tournaments, or score posting or anything to show off your skill.
you dont need millions of people to play your game to have a competitive scene,you just need a couple thousand dedicated people to keep it going.
Tbh though i think valorants success in the competitive scene rn can be attributed to it being newer. Like year 3-4 of games is typically where they peak before going downhill. Before they run out of ideas and effort and care for the community past monetary gain. Give it 1-3 more years and it’ll be no different than the others
Valorant is also extremely simple. All of its mechanics have an air of familiarity to them. Even when it released, it instantly got compared to Overwatch and CS
WELL LETS SEE
@@ScripFingyeah Valorant is easy to start, but extremely hard when you get to the pro level as there is an insane amount of strategy. you are either a noob or you haven't even watched any pro game to think that Valorant is easy
@@jahidulhasan4581 valorant is insanely simple compared to r6 for instance
@@benkai9921 you are noob. understood
This was an incredibly good video, as someone who has grinded overwatch and fortnite ranked I really relate. Once again, I'm blown away by the the production value and insight this channel shows. Big ups to you citrus!
Thank u so much for the kind hearted comment
No it wasn't keep coping loser
FORTNITE was never intended to be a long-term esport. The $100 million cup was EPIC Games Store marketing. The play was to convince tens of thousands of kids that they can make some cash on the game and everyone has to install the EPIC Game Store launcher. Keep them coming back with free games every month and try our best to be the first digital game storefront you visit. Brilliant tactic to displace Steam honestly.
Didn't work, Epic just fired over 800 staff and are scaling down
I think people are burnt out by pvp games in general. I have been playing more story single player games more recently
Yeah same, nowdays i usually play pve/story/singleplayer games
dude fr, rn I'm all into coop pve
This could just be me, but I’ve always played Single Player games, but I’ve never finished them. Stuff like FTL, Slay the Spire, Celeste(really good game btw) and Monster Hunter. All really good games but never had the interest to finish them and I always found myself dumping more and more time into “Competitive Games” like R6, OW, and CS, and even a bit of COH2. I never knew the reason why I was so attached to these games, but eventually even though I had a lot of fun on them. I never played them to completion.
What’s sad is for the average player most games end up either your teammates throw or your opponents throw
As an apex player, I agree that respawn also has to take some responsibility. EA is more to do with the constant flow of skins and cash grabs and events, if something goes wrong in ranked changes or nerfs going bad that’s on respawn. EA being the publisher is more worried about money and therefore getting skins and collection events.
100% agree here. Matchmaking sucks for casual players and ranked just isnt competitive for serious players.
@@JigolopuffI can assure you, matchmaking sucks just as much for higher skill players and grinders. As a casual it's not fun to get rolled by preds, as a pred it's not fun to get level 50 randoms, it's just bad for everyone. If you're not stacking this game is awful.
Worst part about apex is the community acting like the glitches are core mechanics of the game. Like if you mash jump and croutch of a specific frame while climbing something your character flies across the room...or change your settings and bind move forward to your mouse wheel that way you can float in circles midair... its ridiculous these things exist in the game longer than punching supply bins to fly across the map.
@@svgarpaws I was trying to give the benefit of the doubt but nah you're right, game is ass 💀
@@Chomusuke1 okay but that stuff is fun ..
Fortnite had everything laid out for them to be the best esport, but they added that one stupid thing that ruined it all, the mech, aim assist in chapter 2 season 2, and ballers.
I agree with the BRUTE mech (although in Ch2 S8 it was heavily nerfed), but I'm not so sure about the Ballers lol (they were really fragile but they were fun and had good mobility)
I think Epic should add cool items and vehicles, but they also need to make them fun to fight against!
I think one example is the TITAN tank because even though it had heavy armor and an anti-infantry turret, it's cannon wasn't very good at close range and there were many ways to counter it (Weakpoints, ANVIL rocket launcher, Heavy Sniper, C4)
@@pls_stap_ In this case, I’m talking about competitive fortnite, and ballers were a pain in that scene cuz all people did was run around until last zone. You can watch end games of comp fortnite during that time and see the final zone just be 50 ballers running around, it was boring. Ballers were cool in casual though.
@Julio-wp2co Ohh that makes sense lol
I 100% agree that most gimmicky stuff or heavy vehicles are unhealthy for comp
Maybe some gimmicky stuff can go in, but it would be hard to find something that's just right (As in fun enough to be unique, but not to gimicky that it's hard to fight with or against)
Epic saw fortnite's success as a party game and not a competitive game. That's the main subject.
I would disagree battle royale are inherent flawed esports due to the amount of RNG to a battle royale and how much of the game is left up to luck not to say there's no skill but the best player doesn't always win
It’s weird because the surge of gamers and streamers should’ve been great for gaming but ultimately brought the biggest wave of fatigue the scene has ever witnessed.
i feel the main problems are 1.cheaters 2.pointless drama in the community/company,etc 3. balancing the fun out of the game/lowering the skillgaps 4.the game's core mechanics being dated 5.playing the same thing all over and over is tiring and some games like br/extraction are tiring to play already 6.the company "stimulating" the growth of of the esports community with money instead of the game being fun
I agree with most of your takes but the exceptions would be CSGO and league. CSGO is actually doing great right now; it's broken it's own concurrent player records several times this year. Yes CS2 is a very slow dripfeed but GO is thriving in the meantime. Also yes league is dying in NA but in Korea especially and China it's doing great.
Literally League is only dying in the US, everywhere else it's either doing fine or great. Hell last years Worlds peak viewership beat it's last peak by over a mil viewers.
If valve target eastern How far could they become. By adding anime girl like Valorant, Crossfire
@@Name-yo6lf embedded streams and view bots
@@Schimml0rdi mean it is a chinese company, its no surprise they are experts at fudging the numbers
@@Schimml0rdbruh you think they care that much? Not really just like the 5 percent of people who watch esports in NA is a lot smaller than 5 percent of people in China
I was genuinely believe that the esports can elevate the overall experiences of competitive games. I expected that the idea of "massive people sharing the same interest and doing participation in the game circles" to be a worthwhile experience for me and general people. But it turns out that they just focusing on improving their games only in competitive aspects and using esports scene as a proof of their success. Also, the communities tend to be toxic due to their excessive competitive nature and their game competitiveness inflation. It's better off to avoid playing those games because those games do harm to player's mentality.
Fighting game era :) it's time
The only exception I can think of is the CSGO esports scene. It’s still pretty big.
I know this video isn't super recent but as someone who was SUPER into competitive PVP a few years back but has since went back to almost entirely playing single-player games, man I get it. I was really into R6 Siege during it's competitive high time, but I played the game since launch and I played Overwatch for years into Overwatch 2. I think what killed it for me was just how, out of nowhere, it seemed like everyone who played a competitive shooter essentially wanted to be a pro. OW1 I was a high gold and plat player, in OW2 I was a high gold player, and I was really happy at that level. But every game I have people spamming chat on how to play, I have friends telling me how they think I should play, I have people religiously parroting points from Flats of any of the various actual Pro players even though the player in question might be low silver or bronze. It just felt like a major disconnect happened where these games couldn't just be enjoyed as competitive experiences, but instead EVERYONE has to be playing to the meta at all times and your gameplay is religiously scrutinized in (lets be honest here) very casual lobbies. I would almost call it the "casualization of pro play." I just got tired of it, so I dipped. And honestly, I don't miss it.
feeling very jaded with them aswell glad I’m not the only one. it’s always good to take a break and check in on other scenes but the general feeling is that of getting older, getting time to breathe and live with these games and in the end it is like you said, there is so much more to do in life other than committing yourself to mediocre games in the hunt for a drop of serotonin. games simulate what it feels like to achieve something meaningful yet lack the depth of the real world so being on the journey feels worthwhile but it will never replace doing something meaningful with your life.
If you don't find it meaningful, then yeah, that's that
i dont know, i always found me comeback at esport scene despite all of the people in the world are put up by comp game, i dont know, is thatcalled passion too?
Dopamine* not serotonin. Exercise releases serotonin which is a long term contentment and satisfaction feeling. While dopamine is a short term high.
It's a video game 😂 get a grip man and go cope on the corner with all the other losers who can't hang
I play competitive games casually, and I don't watch esports very often. The few I do watch are just fighting games, I think they're just more interesting.
Another thing that definetely affects eports and competitive gaming is the economy. It is hard to watch/play a competitive game several hours a day when you have to pay expensive rent and food.
Honestly fighting games is the only genre of video games where competitive esports can naturally exist. The existence of EVO is a clear example of that sentiment. Additionally Capcom, ArcSystem and Bandai Namco are like the only companies I know that host their own tournaments out of celebrating the culture around fighting game over using it as a means to generate revenue.
I mean for christ sake. The Evo tournament for Street Fighter 6 is going to have a prizepool of 2 million dollars completely out of Capcom's own pocket. It's the only competitive community with a relatively positive and casual friendly community.
Name me any other competitive scene that can outmatch Evo Moment 37?
CS GO and LoL
@@MeredyFT isn't LoL eSports at a decline?
@@pank3245 I agree with you but the LoL is a weird thing, it goes down and up all the time. Im just waiting for project L, that will be massive, im sure of it
This is very true. Not even Smash Bros has this, which is sad.
I agree to an extent. CSGO is still one of steams most played games and continues to break records on steam for concurrent players so I’m not sure where you’re getting the impression that the game has poor player numbers. It’s also been consistently the esport with the most viewership outside of league and dota, Valorant has also recently been surpassing CSGO event viewership as well. Both titles are far more popular than OW or the OWL ever was.
Yeah man your completely right
The funny thing is valve doesnt even give a shit about cs esports. Like, league and dota both push super hard on their tournaments, spend a ton of money, offer huge prizes, and with dota the god of gaming himself graces us with his presence every major event. Cs is just... there. No big prize pools, little marketing, nothing. Yet it's got crazy good crowds, passionate and extremely good teams, deep history and its probably the easiest to follow for someone who doesnt play
Yeah! I think this game is so good even its sequel (CS2) can't top it off no matter what 😅
@@ok10469 God of Gaming who?
@@brajeshdas4404 Gabe Newell of course
I think the amount of games being released and available has also increased in recent years, and that players no longer stick to one core game but often jump between them much more than before.
I had no prob quiting these games for better smaller games. The biggest push was battle passes. Nothing pushes me away like a game making me feel i have to play even when i dont want to.
By this point I only play multiplayer games if I really want to play them,because most of my attention has went to single player games like you said
Have you played generation zero?
@@ADMICKEY no
@@godcow6211 try it, its a game that can be played with 3 other friends or alone.
I think smurfing / account selling / sharing / boosting / deranking / cheaters is what really made all of this games die
I think you missed one big problem with gaming today. Too many players that aren't gamers. There are so many people in the last few years who I have spoken to who simply aren't interested in a game beyond a functional knowledge. Players who don't want to put in the time or effort to get good but who voice opinions on balance anyway regardless of their lack of understanding. Apex is an excellent example of this. The majority of the playerbase doesn't understand why seer is a problem because he's not a popular pick in lower ranks (or mmrs this season) or pubs. They think the nerfs to seer are unwarranted because they lack the deeper understanding of how much of an impact the character makes when there are two well coordinated teams fighting because most apex players hard crutch on aim assist and have no situational awareness nor desire to learn anything more than shoot gun point blank over and over.
I honestly believe that oversaturation of casual players in competitive game modes is the most destructive thing to competitive gaming. Hand in hand with that is the idea that anyone can or should be able to achieve any rank. The vast majority of players should be (in the case of apex) gold or below if the ranked system is working correctly but people can't cope with the idea that they are average anymore.
yea the fact that you can sit in a bush and get to masters is ridiculous
I literally just want to play a game for fun, not sit down for hours to quote on quote “get good.” Last time I checked games were meant to be a fun experience not some dopamine release sweat feast.
@@Rolkey A dopamine release is what makes a game fun, additionally if that is your outlook on games, not wanting to learn a more advanced skillset, that's fine so long as you avoid ranked modes and understand that you will get rolled by players who invest more in the game. The game shouldn't be easy for you because you don't want to learn more and you shouldn't be playing any sort of ranked mode because as stated that isn't the type of gaming you enjoy. Furthermore, you should appreciate that with that mindset you will lack the understanding to comment on a games balance or complain about it since your skill level will be a greater factor than any balancing.
Finally with that mindset you must also accept that you will not do particularly well in any game that you play and if that means that you are not having fun that is on you and not the game.
@@Rolkey You are not gonna have fun if dopamine is not released actually
I agree with this. Although I feel as though it’s a mix of casual players + clout chasing. The rise of streaming hit a saturation point and now here we are.
Eventually they’ll abandon the gaming scene and we can get back to how we used to game
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Personally i think what really makes a competitive game fun is having a good focus and entertaining the casual crowd ironically. I remember the burgeoning community that was forming around games like rainbow six siege and overwatch back in 2017 where people were so enthusiastic about the games and telling all their friends about it and bringing them into those games (i personally did the same with siege bringing along a good bunch of friends). This was around the same time that these 2 games (can speak for only these 2 since i kept up with them) had some of their best content releases and greatest numbers. R6 esports was growing big in that same era to the point that fans were booking flights from australia, brazil, etc. all the way to canada to attend the six invitationals. Now the six invitationals can barely fill a third of a stadium even on the finals days. There’s something about community, the fun factor, making new friends and the combination of these three things which i think really makes a competitive game get famous and actually sustain itself. Valorant is currently doing just that and it seems to be working, as you mentioned valorant is prolly the only competitive fps esports which is relevant rn. The community around valorant is vibrant and people talk and end up knowing each other through social media and connecting just on the basis of their love for the game. Where it all went wrong was when all competitive/online gaming in general just became a cash cow that had to be milked in any way possible
I think the issue is "refuse to listen to it's players" doesn't mean much if all their players are wanting something different. lol
Why is RUclips calling me out for downgrading 💀
I stopped competitive games a couple years ago due to life and general burnout on multi-player games. Finally decided to come back a couple weeks ago and can't seem to find anything that'll scratch the itch. All these games feel more like they are designed to make me spend money than to provide me with a good time.
Watching this 3 months later and oh boy it's hilarious in hindsight, specifically when it comes to Apex. We went from one season where ranked has no meaning or value (super easy to rank) to another season that has no meaning or value. The main difference is that this time it's because you have to sell your family and quit your job before you can get any meaningful progress in ranked. Yeah... I'll just stick to single-player games for a while.
I heard no lies, I grinded overwatch competitive ladder and I’m in career with responsibilities and actual real life goals so I don’t have the time to spend 2-4 hours a night just to leave the night at the same rank lol
You're section on csgo was short, and I think thats because it's not dying at all. Csgo esports is big, and not getting smaller, and unlike what you said, the casual fanbase isn't dying and cs is consistently hitting new peaks even past what they were getting in covid.
He is probably from NA, the dead competitive region.
Yeah the whole csgo section missed its mark. Guess you cant have anytbing go against the narrative tho 🤷
@@Myh3ll0it's dead overall too with league as well dying exclusively in NA
Bro said everything I was thinking
Lol esport got really big with teams like Solary or Kcorp. Nowadays in France it's one of the biggest games ever and it's competitive scene is going hard, it actually brought a lot of people into the game, even people who don't play that much. So it's not only popular just in China.
The smurfing problem is really tricky bc, let's take R6 as an example: if you have a top and bottom rank players, how do you balance this? Put them to compete in the level of the highest rank player (that's what is usually done) and the worse player can't play, but if you put them in a lower rank match, the top rank just dominates.
Some people like the idea of competitive video games and esports until they actually experience it. I used to play in a high school esports league. Before the season started, we tried to "recruit" players. Dozens signed up and attended the meetings, yet only a fraction remained just a few weeks later simply because they underestimated or simply didn't like what it took to be a competitive player. Now these days, competitive modes and games are seen as "unfun" games since some people feel like competitive takes away what makes a game fun when it's just a matter of personal preference. I personally love competitive games as gaming has always been my main competitive outlet, but for those that already have that elsewhere (jobs, sports, etc.), competitive gaming can be an instant turn-off for them.
Agreed, I’ve got a long time been saying that people who just default to ranked for no reason and assume pro play is just like ranked are completely misguided. People take ranked more seriously and allow it to upset them more but don’t play with more effort and just cause a negative feedback spiral. Like no one is forcing you to play comp in every game, just play casual. Not to mention what you said about structured play which requires way more effort and commitment and most people don’t care that much but tryout anyways then flake when push comes to shove
Bias comes in heavy when he starts talking about Apex.
Also he copium hard on overwatch lol
I’ve been absolutely loving Valorants competitive gaming scene. Even while I’m taking a break from the game itself, tuning into the VCT lock in tournament and masters, Tokyo we’re so much fun!
And here comes the finals...
I just decided to go back to games like Battlefield 4 and Gmod.
especially Gmod... the amount of fun I've had playing that isn't even comparable to what any game of the last 5 Years has brought to Me.
ive got back to bf3 recently, its not the same. im not the same. times change thats it.
Used to play competitive overwatch years ago and stopped and realized there really isn’t a incentive to get to top 500 anymore
I would argue that the reason these games are getting stale is because they have really stunted the growth and exploration of game development. Every game you mentioned except LOL was a shooter. If you’ve played one you’ve played them all except titan fall which arguably did some new stuff. But pve games have been evolving even if they have evolved poorly. Someday soon people aren’t gonna be interested in fps games much and then what will these companies do? Probably pack up and leave games for those indi developers making hollowknight and stuff.
Competitive multiplayer games are literally drugs. You're given a free sample, and then you get hooked. You start spending money on lointless things that only please you a little bit. Then the game becomes a life style, now it's not about fun anymore, you HAVE to win to advance in the game (causes you to mald). Competitive multiplayer games are so bare bones on content too. The whole gameplay loop on them is just queue up for a match, kill some people for a 3 second long dopamine hit, die. ("Did Iever tell you... what the definition of insanity is?").
Personally, ever since i stopped competitive pvp games, I can't recall a moment when i was angry while playing.
Honestly that is the saddest truth about the spiral down of esports, the games themselves are just worse. It's funny, because when the game is actually good you don't care if ultimately it is a waste of time shooting for pros because it's just fun whether or not you "make it." But when the game is bad, suddenly the fact it is a waste of time hits you hard and you just can't feel good playing.
Gaming as a whole is dying because people are realizing that its a waste of time and we got more important shit to worry about for the future of mankind.
Nope
Valorant is not only the biggest e-sport rn, it’s competitive mode is the best out of any game
Biggest? Ever heard of a game called CS:GO?!
@@brainbox9219Val is bigger tho
@@brainbox9219Val is a bigger scene than cs because cs has a finite number of players that decreases and will never increase, Val still increases with every operator and new update. But League is the biggest esport no contest
league?
@@1mphulseDont even mention LOL
you touched on it a little, but the fact that not only am i expected to keep up with this game, on top of all its updates, meta patches and tweaks, new seasons of content and skins, but that the other people playing are just not fun to play with or against! If they’re on my team they’re rude because of someone not performing to their standard, or on the other team just berating and flaming. Gotta love the cycle of muting the online players of my online game.
I think what interests me is well, it's not Fighting games that are suffering mostly. SF6 has taken the world by storm, you 100% know someone who played it. Evo had 700K unique entrances for SF6 ALONE. Tekken 8 has a lot of hype around it. I think what Esports within FPS games lack that FGs don't is stories/people who are relatable. Everyone knows Daigo vs Justin Wong, it's one of the biggest Esports moments EVER. Yet Justin and Daigo aren't these people we don't understand they are pretty human. The stories go from less about teams to 1 on 1 brawls to prove who is the best and they still trash talk. Sure the FGC has lower standards but it's also the one thriving the most. The people who run Evo literally got the keys (Or something major like that) and also a day dedicated to Evo. No other game/event has one single holiday dedicated to them, that is only Evo. Why? It's nerds like me who love their game and wanna push it to its limits see it pushed to it's limits and meet these people who are not much different from us beyond their skill.
The FGC has the "Hometown Hero" aspect that a lot of other esports games lack, all due to grassroots events being the foundation it was built upon. Modern eSports skip the grassroots step, and while that means a lot more money for contestants off the bat, it also makes the competitors feel alien to viewers.
Honestly, I'm just tired of always sweating.
I think there's a major reason that nobody ever talks about in these videos, and it's a pretty unpopular truth. The whole point of competitive games is improving (and ranking up as a side effect of that). But ultimately, improving in something where you have to compete against others takes tons of work and effort (or talent), and at that point, it feels less like a videogame and more like another life responsibility. Aot of people aren't actually that driven by improvement or true competitiveness. They're a little lazy and just want some dopamine to distract from life. They want enough challenge to feel cool, but not too much challenge to where it feels like a job. How many people watch those "10 tips and tricks to rank up" and queue 10 games a day on autopilot and call it grinding without warming up, dialing in for each game, making sure they're eating and sleeping well, vod reviewing themselves consistently, practicing their mechanics every day, and taking notes on pro vods? Most players in gold, plat, diamond, etc could rank up doing that a few hours a day every day for a few months. People don't do that because it feels like work - it's not that fun. And most people who are driven would rather put that effort into something with tangible returns like their career than a random videogame
Irony is that those esport games are not hard at all when you have tested most genres
People think pvp = peak skill when no most of these pvp games are casual beasy at their core
I played alot of these games if not all, i have only really tried in was Rocket league.
The reason i did it and why i stopped is i set myself a rank goal, and up until that point it was fun always getting better. After i got that rank i was better than the one friend i played with, and it didn't feel like i was getting better anymore.
I think the complexity made it easier to visualize my progress, it doesn't feel like you are getting better when all you are doing is clicking heads. Going around looking for new smokes and flashes, then using them was satisfying (CSGO). But i didn't wanna play slow, and instead tried bhopping and such in comp games. Got some great clips out of it but it was not a strat that makes you rank up.
I love the choice of the original fighting is magic music for some of your bgm, that stuff was always top notch.
A big part of video game fun even in competitive settings is definitely your friends/friendgroup/teammates and the quality of the pvp/enemy players. I feel when i look back at times where i had fun even in games like league of legends it was always thanks to the people playing with or against me, wether it be something funny my premade/random teammate said or the enemy mid laner outplaying the fuck out of me. Its never truly been about the game or the game functions, its about player interaction, and that to me is what has suffered the most. Some of the coolest people ive met were complete strangers over the internet, but games seem to get less and less expressive, where people run to METAs or less skill expressive strategies. With most games seeming to lower the skill ceiling and raise the skill floor the player expression just dwindles. I wanna feel like im playing with or against other people not against cpus controlled by people, i wanna style on people and make them say something funny or rage on the mic, i wanna get styled on and bantered with. When you used to play games when you were younger with siblings or friends splitscreen you always had a extra level of interaction and to me online games felt like that for a long time, playing search and destroy lobbies with game chat only or going into a game of dust 2 and everyone com'ing but it seems that players want to interact with eachother less and less. Not to mention people getting bored or burnt out of the games they play even further reduces player counts that MAKE the games fun and reduce queue times, it makes the ones that still play want to play even less.
I basicly play these games for the friends I made while playing them.
I have poured alot of time into the Splatoon 2 and 3 and I dont think I will ever regret that much at least.
some of my best memories come from these games and the experiences they offered me.
this video makes me glad im a cs diehard. ive had mates leave to dedicate their lives to apex and valorant in their respective oce/aus scenes and now have dying games where cs is only hitting new peaks and has a new game coming. u give such disregard to that fact that csgo has the biggest playerbase on the biggest game platform and a budding social youtube scene surrounding the legendary pro scene. when cs2 drops, and the first major comes in march i think, i expect 2+mil viewers
yea bro does not what is he talking about bro CSGO eSports is on fire
I swear counterstrike is eternal. I would bet good money it continues to exist long after all the other esports have faded.
imo problem with riot games is that they only care about their competitive scene that no one watches outside of china and korea, and profiting off k-pop skins or other wanker skins and buffing and/or keeping the champions that those skins are for broken for years on end
All the games that are coming out are not fun, but also I think we are getting older and the guilt when playing games. when you know you should be doing anything else but this, makes games really hard to commit too. Kids will play it for sure, but all the cosmetics are bought by teens and adults.
All these games have become unbearable to play, it's just a sweaty pissing competition, no room for fun.
It's amazing how you can come away from a win with no joy whatsoever, and everyone pretends they had fun by saying "gg" like clockwork.
Big stage audience eSports is probably one of the most cringe things in gaming history.
Esport has always been a joke when you know a lot about gaming
People think peak gaming skill is pvp when no thry only play surface casual tier that everybody plays
When i started more niche genre i realized those esport games are a joke and not even hard in both mechanical skill and depth
I am not a competitive sports player, but I did play overwatch 1 for a couple of years, then stopped when the enjoyment from the trans-media (animated shorts and comics for example) stopped drawing me back in. I imagine it might be the same for a large number of people out there too and for the other games.
I feel like the older I get the less I care about being competitive and the more time I spend just having good times on games with my friends
TBH the issue with Competitive game modes is the influx of new player in the modes and then.....for OW specifically. If you choose to go Junk in QP into a zarya with a mercy pocket and an Ana pumping roids into their cheeks you are bound to loose...then they jump into comp and do the same...many times i have heard "its qp bro" or my fav in comp "It's just a game bro and my game so no" ...that is the issue here or at most 1/4th. Gamers need to be held responsible as well. OW2's matchmaking is pure trash on top of what i said prior
18:03 im so glad someone actually knows this song Un-gravitify
back then when i was younger me and my friend would compare ranks, now we compare prs in gym lol
Bring back story games! I’ve actually been able to have a life playing story games cause I’m not grinding to match other players anymore.
honestly seeing the "esports" scene telling people this is op and this and that is what makes me dislike the competitive gaming, like who would enjoy losing a lot forcing yourself playing a game, games are meant to play casually, to enjoy
I think LoL is big in other places, at least Korea. LoL is big, because it's free, easy to learn, and genuanly if you put in effort, you can get gold pretty easily, and for fun there are other modes for you, such as TFT and ARAM. But yeah, the competitive scene is on life support when 2 regions absolutely dominated all Worlds since Season 2, but I think they could turn it around just by deleting the cat (yes, one character caused the death of LoL esports)
You know that cat was the worst support on korea right? I think china and korea are better because they pick such weird things that in europe and america we dont see much. Like they use trundle support a lot. So weird
Bro do you even play league? There are only two game modes, summoners rift and aram. It gets old real fast. Also, the ranked system is broken where nobody can climb unless they want to play a thousand games a season or are a smurf.
@@karenwang313 Have you played any other ranked systems? It's not broken, when you are stuck in an Elo, the game thinks it's your ideal Elo, so it gives less and less points for winning, and takes away less and less points. There are no perfect systems, but as long as you communicate where you are in your rank, I don't have a problem
@@karenwang313textbook definition of skill issue
Enjoyed the video, good points.
LOL esports is genuinely pretty interesting. Admittedly, anyone that has never played an isometric MOBA like LOL will see any match of league completely jarring because of in game models and skins and special effects but the appeal is team dynamic and synergies + the actual micro and macro gameplay (micro being the fast reaction mechanics and macro being the decision making that makes up the entire game) there are 150+ champs at this point and there can be a large number of team comps vs team comps. Esports team have genuine favoritism and popularity among fans. T1 is considered one of the best teams in league history because they won 3 world championship tournaments. I remember being excited when I watched the Edward gaming vs DWG in 2021 and seeing EG, an underdog team, beat DWG that just won worlds last year in 2020.
What makes everything even worse is the incline of monetization in these free to play competitive games. Back in the day I earned stuff while playing like skins and sprays, not everything is behind an outrageous paywall.
ITS A BAD GAIN!!!!!! ITS NOT MY FAULT I SUCK AT THE GAIN!!!!!
I’m gm on overwatch 2, was masters on apex 5 seasons ago and diamond on valorant. Trust me I used to yell at people who didn’t like the game I like and tell them they just didn’t like it cause they were bad.
The worst part about esports is it turns a GAME into a toxic community that is not fun to play with. I used to love CS but now i cannot play without dying 9/10 times from people who practice perfect map maneuvering
I suppose I have quite a lot to say on this topic since the entirety of esports was a very large portion of my life. Technically if I went back to the first game I played competitively it would be half of my life.
My competitive experience started with Team Fortress 2 although it was mostly as a hobby and not through any actual desire to get good at video games. But in Overwatch I started to actively practice and tried to go pro. Which to some extent I did. I played in Contenders during high school, but eventually I decided to stop pursuing it around junior year and I decided to give myself a change of pace and compete in valorant instead. Which to some extent I was also successful in, competing in VCT although never making it super far.
And my thoughts on the Esports landscape can be summarized with a paragraph or two.
As an industry it has been waning for a while now, for a couple of years ever since the beginning of the pandemic. And even though yes people tuned in on the other side as a competitor I felt as though there was a shift in the way people saw esports. It was turning away from the core of a passionate group of players who wanted to see how good they could get. And it was turning into a business.
I don’t have any resentment over this fact, and I think the people who can succeed in this area should. But It wasn’t what made me want to compete and that’s why I stopped competing. But I would never call the time I spent in esports a waste of my time. I learned so many life lessons, good habits for work ethic. And got exposed to new hobbies that I focus on now. Things like game design/development, video production, graphic design etc.
If that’s all that you wanted to know then, I suppose that’s it but I also want to give my two cents on most of the topics that were mentioned in this video.
Overwatch was a really, really good game. And I genuinely loved it and I can’t lie I still do love the game. And I honestly wish the game makes a comeback, because that universe is so well made I want other people to see the magic that the game once held. But the toxicity in that community can be on another level at times.
Call of duty is an enigma to me. Because it doesn’t feel like an esport but it’s probably one of the closest games to the Arena Shooter format that I personally enjoy a lot.
Apex was a great game and in many ways still is. I think the movement was really cool and the way it was pushed and developed over time was a really interesting thing to me. But yeah, aim assist really is annoying and from a competitive point of view I understand the hate for it. But personally I just do not give a shit about if a player uses MnK or Controller. Because something that I loved about apex is that it had some great depth in its Macro. And yeah many fights in apex are close range but a majority of those fights are won because a team has better positioning and had better macro than another. Having Aim assist or not isn’t going to matter when you make bad rotations and get pelted down and drained of your resources. And I don’t know if this is what you believe but the way you wrote this video made it seem that way. If you believe that in competitive fps games, aiming and good mechanics are the most important part about being good. You never understood why a competitive FPS game was hard in the first place.
Fortnite is a really good casual game. Emphasis on Casual. I don’t think the game ever should’ve been taken seriously as an esport. It’s a fun game and when it is competitive I won’t lie the final zones are really cool to watch. But people aren’t playing Fortnite for the competitive gamemode. They’re playing for the wacky casual experience of seeing Goku get sidelined by Master Chief while Leon does a stupid dance. If you want to make the argument that it could’ve been a great esport, then sure it had the potential. But if it did, would it have been successful enough to do what they do nowadays.
Another thing I noticed is when you said that you hated when respawn was being protected because they could use EA as an escape goat. I can’t help but feel like this was said a bit prematurely. No crap respawn does have some creative control but they take time to make sure when they drop a big content patch that it’s got good content in it. The launch trailers, the character designs. You mentioned yourself that the characters are Iconic looking. That’s because of the insane amount of work put in to make sure that they look iconic. Developers have said before how long it takes for 1 character to be developed all the way up until release. It takes them roughly 9 to 11 months. And that’s just characters. We still have maps, trailer animation, weapons, heirloom animations, new survival equipment etc.
I don’t hate on Respawn because they make good content and they put in the time to make sure it’s good and I appreciate that. And I feel like the reason that we often get so many collection events is not because Respawn wants to only do Collection Events but because of the added extra cosmetic content, EA wants to keep pumping them out to make as much money off the sales as possible.
I also have some feedback on your video if you’re interested.
1) I think you can work on your visual presentation, instead of the footage that’s out there from esports. Maybe you can find something that’s a bit more representative of the emotion you’re trying to show. Even in the esports space you can certainly find footage of players being disappointed to go alongside your own disappointment.
2) Those short moments where you add text to the screen trying to fix something you said, for example in CSGO when you talked about the player numbers. Something like this I think should be re-written and re-recorded. Because not everyone is constantly looking at the screen and not everyone is going to notice that text that’s up there for barely a second.
3) When you’re trying to talk about esports of a game, and you close the video by saying “I went over basically all of the major competitive esports games that even remotely matter.” You kind of show that you haven’t done all the research that you could have.
You forget a massive game like Dota 2, or Rainbow Six Siege, or Rocket League, or Fighting Games as a whole (although I’m more willing to let that slide because esports and fighting games haven’t always mixed too well.)
And then there are some games in here that have no point in the video. Like why was league of legends included if there’s nothing of substance to be said? The argument that it’s only popular in China doesn’t hold up. A sport like Cricket isn’t widely popular across the whole world yet people still enjoy it. Even though when I watch it I have no idea what on earth is happening. What about Ballet? Ice Skating, or even kayaking?
If the game you have in the video of this topic has nothing to add to your argument or discussion then it really shouldn’t be there at all. Especially because there was something that happened this year that you could have talked about. Like the screenshot you used of the dispute between Riot and the players that could have led to the cancellation of an entire competitive season.
4) There are some times in the video where you’re quiet but I assume that’s because you might’ve leaned back as you were talking which I get, it happens.
Other than that though, it's a solid video, also if you want a recommendation of a game to look out for that is an FPS game that has a competitive edge and feels insanely fresh. I would recommend you take a look at "THE FINALS"
Watching RUclips videos feels more productive than playing a competitive gaming
I genuinely miss the days when OW felt fun to play or watch. Now I keep coming back to it like an abused animal because of my love for it. I want to abandon this chapter of my life, but I know at its core that it could be a great game.
It "could."
But "is it?"
I've been through this wave before with another game man. The sooner you let go, the less painful it is.
Ngl I love the cdl, and I am a average player in multiplayer ranked (kbm on console) and the reason I enjoy playing the game is learning the strategies, reading plays and maybe popping off every now and then on kbm. Leaving a controller for kbm has made cod so much more fun for me, because it shows my progression and faults very overtly. I enjoy watching the cdl for various ways a single kill can clutch all of the game modes
It’s just been so long since a genuinely unique competitive game has come out. I’d say the last one was Fortnite, but that was 6 years years ago (and it was also a complete accident, as the epic definitely did not expect for their goofy ass pve zombie game mechanics to actually work in a competitive environment.) Id agree that valorant is probably the best run competitive game right now, but at its core it’s pretty much just csgo, and isn’t completely unique like something such as Fortnite or overwatch.
I’m not trying to hate on valorant or anything but I don’t think any game will become as popular as Fortnite or overwatch esports unless they are also just as unique
Amazing video essay Big Citrus
This video right here resonates the hell out of me. I remember I get rage over lose rank from Gold Nova 2 to 1 like every kids do.
Now? I just went into CS2 in a 4 stack and just laugh over stupid plays we do.
Even still I'm still hesitant to go any PVP games just because now of this generation its just people who wanna improve be better in the most toxically way possible.
I think FPS games are dying because the developers always solve problems by nerfing, after several repeated nerfs, the entire game atmosphere become very stagnant and often discourage creativity, thus dull and boring so no new players want to try.
I'm talking to you, Ubisoft's Rainbow six Siege. and hope Valorant won't walk the same path.
Valorant is going down that path with the recent patch notes.
@@MadSpeed261 My comment aged like milk
@@destrodevil6975 That's why I'm gonna talk about riot's asses in archive of our own.
When I can gather my thoughts.
Mad respect for playing gravitfy from sonic riders during the valorant part
You’re right. I used to grind Rainbow Six Siege religiously in 2020/2021 and just the way they balance the game pisses me off. Getting older too, you realize that pro gaming is such a niche part of the world still that it’s not worth the hours of grinding just to climb out of silver. Before you logged on to play with your friends, then one day you realize you’re the only one playing, then it’s time to move on.
Tbh the game has never been better in terms of balance, I've never grinded my life away, only played casually for a few years now but let me tell you the game feels great
Dare I say it, just like the old days, except for the friends, all of them abandoned ship as they all do
The main problem with gaming is FPS’ are sweat fests where most people aren’t playing casually, lack of voice chatting and after every match it goes to a new lobby of people instead of keeping the same people but jumbling up the teams
League is only popular in china? When even if you exclude the chinese players the worlds watch count was still double that of the latest csgo major
I don’t know a single person that likes league sorry
nerd game no one plays that
I’m just a hater gotta keep it real 🥶
@@thiccbeannyou hear that? Doesn't know one person who likes League. Your argument is defeated. League is not popular because this guy doesn't know one person who likes League.
@@BlueLightningSky you play league opinion invalid
as someone who played apex a lot in the early seasons and wanted to return a year ago as a casual guy playing after school, all i can say is "what happened to my game man"
Watching your 25 minute video on your video about eSports today fully validated how I legitimately did not want to invest myself into this thing. As someone who can change hyperfixations on a dime, live services and eSports contradict how I play games and I hated that so much. They want you to go for the long run so they can yank more money out of you, but honestly? It's just not possible for someone like me. As you said after all, we have better things to do anyway.
I can't just play games or grind them all day, I have to find what I'm really good at. That Silver Rank won't get me a job.
Very interesting vid and puts a lot of the recent competitive/e-sports news and feel into a good perspective. I have only one issue though, I feel that there is a major asterisk to this. Fighting games and the FGC are at an all time high and are really only going up currently, EVO this year had its largest turnout ever with over 7k people for SF6 alone. I feel that a section of this video should have been talking about that, apart from that good vid
Moist critical had a video about that like a month back talking about how esports teams making a profit is like finding a pot of gold at the end of a rainbow it just does not happen
Great video, I agree with your points except the Valorant one.
Valorant may be different but it will fall for exactly the same reasons it made it different, it's a game tailored to be 100% competitive with zero appeal to other kind of players, because of it's nature, power creep will be a problem, having so many shit on the screen will eventually turn it into League of Legends or Overwatch no one will humanly possible track whats going on on the screen, lack of content will be a problem, maybe an area of opportunity for PvE content in the future? But Riot games stance on PvE modes is harsh, see why League of Legends doesn't do events like Nexus Blitz anymore. And the flashyness of the new sensation will fall off. If your argument is that esports aren't profitable and that many people are already feeling competitive burnout, then Valorant will fail or fall off eventually.
Personally I already feel the burnout of competitiveness, I'm not good because I really don't like being that competitive and I don't see the point in putting that many hours into practice when I can do other things like playing other games, I like games like Battlebit Remastered where heart and fun are the main courses of the game.
Given tencents past history with league of legends, I'm confident that the devs will add increasingly more broken characters to the game until half the roster is useless. Eventually, there will be so many characters that the barrier for entry will be too high for new players to start the game, just like what happened with league.
I've always been more of a singleplayer gamer myself, I have no time nor aspirations for competitive play, and from what I observed when I did do some ladder stuff its nothing but a toxic hellhole.
I play my videogames to unwind, for escapeism from daily life and to relax. Competitive play only added more stress and venom.
I can't truly shed a tear for its "death".
This has big "I got old and I'm in denial about it"-energy
clueless
Ive been an fps gamer for roughly 25 years watched the old days of avp competitive quake competitive and modern games its gone downhill all around the industry this mans spitting nothing but Truth
A little bit late to this video but I think you're feeling something that others in many other games are feeling. Unless you've been grinding for something specific over and over for little to no progress, what you might be feeling isn't burn-out but rather Boredom.
People who don't care about esports or competitive gaming at all and just play to have fun. 💪😎