Garmin Pilot vs Foreflight: Which do I choose?
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- Опубликовано: 18 янв 2024
- Garmin pilot vs Foreflight: Which do I choose?
I'm unsure which one to choose either Garmin pilot of Foreflight and I need you help. After watching the video, put your comments and let me know which one I should pick and why.
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Desert Storm era F-15 Avionics guy here. I would compare Foreflight to removing all the tactile knobs on the F-15's controls and replacing them with generic round ones. I used GP as a private pilot but my flight school makes us use Foreflight. GP was more intuitive with easy to use thumbnails. I like the direct, nearest, and emergency buttons and the timer being front and center. Everything was easily accessible from a click on the map. It integrated perfectly with other Garmin avionics in the cockpit and they all had the same look and feel. Foreflight, for me, requires a greater cognitive load because it has a lot of textual menus and small icons. Menu bars that could be easily expanded and reduced with a single button at the bottom have to be opened and closed in the settings. The timer is part of the "More" menu and takes up a third of the screen, darkening the map when it opens. It's only the leader in the field because it became standard before Garmin had the same functionality. The only advantage I've seen is the built-in logbook, but personally I wouldn't pay almost twice as much annually just for that. I'm sure pilots who started on Foreflight will think GP looks like a kid's app, but it's exactly that appearance that makes it so intuitive. FYI, nice shot of the radar. Can't tell you how many dipoles and waveguides I've replaced or how much safety wire I've run on the covers! 😁
Wow, thanks for all the info. Gotta live the old APG-63. Do you use GP on Android or iPad?
I've used both. The iPad is a better display and more responsive but it can overheat in the summer as others have said. They have fan cases but I haven't tried one yet. I also prefer Android phones and it's nice to have that backup. I forgot to mention that GP has widgets now and you can split the screen with airport info, round gauges, all kinds of stuff. Ff gives you a PFD split screen only.@@OneRustyPilot
GP all the way. I have used both, arguably GP more than FF but tried both. I am an iPad guy so that didnt weigh in but the avionics stack being Garmin did help me decide. I like the integration and it keeps pilot workload down so I can focus on flying.
I like it
I used them both for about a year and GP won by a nose for me living in the L.A. area. I like the way GP displays Class B airspace more and also the integration with my Garmin Avionics. It seems to be just slightly more intuitive. I don't think you can go wrong with either. Airline Pilot here and Cessna 421 owner.
Thank you. I'm close to deciding and you helped
I use GP because I already had an android tablet and phone, and have a Garmin panel. My tab and G3X panel cross connect great via Bluetooth, so I do my flight planning on the tab and it easily loads to the panel. And if I change the FP on my panel it changes on the tablet too. GP is also loaded on my android phone for no extra charge. Garmin has updated GP very well to compare to FF, although there is slightly more of a learning curve, and I speak mostly Garmin already. (Garmin also has a portable ADS-b receiver.) I've never had an overheating issue with my tablet even in hot weather, but I'm sure they all vary. Of course my panel is always loaded with current nav data as well as my phone for yet another backup. For android cost and Garmin compatibility, I'd say go for GP. For first time or part time use in various aircraft then FF would be the best choice. I am very happy with GP, but just don't care for Apple products even though the build qualities are excellent. Good luck, and happy shopping!
Thank you so much. Yes, still torn but will make a decision soon.
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Thank you
If literally all you want is something to monitor ADS-B Traffic (TIS-B), then there are free apps that you could use like Avare or FltPlan Go for Android. I think FltPlan Go is compatible with more ADS-B receivers, but I find Avare to be a superior flight display. I keep Avare on my Android phone as a backup set of maps and GPS navigator in a pinch. That being said, ForeFlight is my primary EFB, which I find to be a very intuitive and reliable setup.
That's great info, thank you so much. Now, I'll do some research.
Get an iPad mini and go with Foreflight. As an android guy myself I can understand but I wasted money buying a tablet for the Garmin app only to find out Foreflight has way more and better features and they are not the same. I bit the bullet and got myself an iPad mini 6. I have to say I do not regret my decision. Just don't tell Android.
Clear and concise. Thank you.
Garmin Pilot is what I have and use. It was the best choice for me as I already had the Android phone, GDL50 and tablet. So, saving me on TCO is always a great plus with aviation or aircraft ownership.
Thank you
@@OneRustyPilot your welcome 🙏
As an Android user, and someone that has written Garmin apps I bought an iPad and Foreflight. Foreflight is not only feature rich but it's used way more. It will even upload to the Garmin G1000 via Flight Stream or the SD card.
Thank you
I use both and foreflight feel so natural from the start and second nature while garmin pilot feel like an uphill battle and no very user friendly in alot of way
But they both got the uses I got a sentry for foreflight and for garmin pilot the garmin ADS B in from my panel on the c172
How did you get ADSB from the panel?
Def buy an iPad regardless of platform. Better support, stable and first to receive updates. Can’t peak to mobile receivers. If you already learned 1 platform, just stay on it; switching is like having learned on PC and switching to a Mac… not fun and counterintuitive. If you own an aircraft with Garmin avionics with EIS, go Garmin for the incredible logging features and livestream of EIS data. Both platforms interface nicely with any GTN navigator (with a flightstream card) or with a GTX transponder via Bluetooth for ADSB WX & traffic.
Thank you
I would go with the best. You can’t go wrong. If you need it, you’ll need the best.
I've been using ForeFlight for a long time. I've debated switching over to Garmin many times, as it tends to work very much like the Garmin avionics. My FF renews next month, and now that Boeing owns it the price for my subscription level is up to $375, where GP is a fair bit less expensive.
In the end the main reason I stay with FF is because it works and I'm comfortable with it. I also don't have to relearn the app, and don't have to buy a new ADS-B in device. My transponder does the ADS-B in to my iPad, but I keep a backup receiver in the aircraft just in case.
I can tell you that FF is much more popular than GP, I know hundreds of pilots and I can't think of one that uses GP. I do know that Garmin (and I think FF) will give you a free 30 day trial, so you can try them both. Of course not having an iPad you won't get much luck testing FF. I was a die-hard Android user until FF made me change. Now I carry two iPads and an iPhone, as you can have three devices with a FF account. FAA does require that if you get your charts electronically you must have a backup. The backup can be another iPad, but you must have a backup. I can also tell you, since I'm local to you, that an iPad will definitely overheat in the summer around here, especially if you leave it in the cockpit for a little bit. It's even worse in a helicopter, with the huge greenhouse. Not quite as bad as an airplane with limited windows.
Thank you. How do you tap into the transponder to get the signal to the iPad?
I've used both and there's no real learning curve with.GP if you've used any of the touch screen Garmin avionics. I started with GP and only switched because my flight school has a Foreflight subscription and required me to use it. As soon as I have the option, I'll go back to Garmin just because I find the menus and settings more intuitive.
Started with Garmin Pilot due to Android. Them switched to an iPad so I could do ForeFlight. I feel they both are good and can do all that is needed. I feel ForeFlight is easier, laid out a bit more like I think, and more used by others. .
Thank you.
I’m on Garmin because I bought a Garmin Marq Aviator watch which included a free, 6 month Pilot Navigator for free.
Hopefully to answer your question I’m a big ForeFlight user I’ll be using ForeFlight since 2015. I did try out Garmin pilot for me. Garmin pilot doesn’t do doesn’t work for me ForeFlight with the amount of features and offers for the for a competitive price range at ForeFlight was better for me specially for the missions I’ve have done From being a volunteered patrol pilot, which is the auxiliary Air Force working on getting my Flight instructor ratings and search for I’ve been ForeFlight was better for me now because your mission is more local and not that much you know during cross country or flight training all that stuff I think government pilot might be the best option but the best advice I can give you free back into general aviation is I’ll say if you’re able to get a good opportunity to try both and see which one will fit your mission a little bit better because Pilot does have better have some better features than ForeFlight for certain missions and vice versa. The same goes for ForeFlight so it was hope this helps.
It does, thank you!!
I’ve used both. I like Garmin with their ability to connect with onboard avionics thru flight stream. Unfortunately I can’t load jepp charts into garmin. It does not support international charts. Foreflight to me is way too distracting with its bells and whistles. It also doesn’t have any connectivity to any avionics.
Thanks for sharing! I think I'm close to making a decision and you helped.
Garmin Pilot absolutely does allow Jeppesen charts in the app, you have to have a Jepp subscription and a Garmin Pilot Premium (Upgrade) package.
I chose ForeFlight because of my flight instructor and flight school environment. I don’t own a plane, just rent and plan to instruct later this year when I finish the required ratings. Stratus 3adsb and ForeFlight can go with me wherever flying may take me. Perhaps if I owned and only flew an airplane with garmin avionics I’d go Garmin pilot. I do love me some garmin too, I have garmin watch, and garmin boat gps but it seems like ForeFlight is the new thing right now and everyone at my school uses it. It’s been very very nice for my instrument rating which I am completing now.
Thank you for all the information. Have you flown with Garmin pilot at all?
@@OneRustyPilot nope so definitely don’t base your decision on my opinion but just letting ya know ForeFlight has been good and I find it very user friendly. Also just watched your solo flight video and you did fantastic. You won’t be so rusty in no time 👌
Thank you
I still haven't decided between Garmin pilot and foreflight but I know I'll have to get an iPad just because even Garmin pilot on Android is missing features it has on the iPad.
Otherwise avare is a good app for androidand free.
Not sure which device to use as adsb in for avare but I know sentry is the go to for foreflight.
Thank you. You are the 2nd person who said Garmin on iPad is better than ok Android. I wonder why it's that way.
@@OneRustyPilot my guess is because the vast majority of pilots are ios users. Garmin probably sees more of their users use ios and hence hire more ios developers. Hence ios version is better, more people use it on ios, it's cyclical. I'm one of the rare people at u flight school that use Android. I have a galaxy fold 4 which makes my phone perfect for garmin pilot, it's about the size of an ipad mini. But I'll probably by an older, refurbished iPad anyways.
I'm only considering garmin pilot because I'm an android guy and my flight school's ground school comes with 1 year of Garmin pilot. But literally every instructor uses foreflight and the school only provides sentrys (only work with foreflight).
Yes, what he said. Garmin Pilot is better on an iPad. I have the mini 6, which works great.
I wish our school equipped each plane with a sentry. Would make the decision easier
I would add that the navlog and flight planning tools on the Android version of Garmin Pilot are quite poor when compared to the iOS version of Garmin Pilot. The Android version feels like you're working with your hands tied behind your back.
I used Garmin pilot for years and I personally like it much better than ForeFlight. I also prefer android over iPad. However, I was ultimately forced to switch to ForeFlight when I brought my own plane because I don’t have Garmin avionics, and Garmin pilot pretty much only works with other Garmin products. In order to get Bluetooth flight plans and synchronization I had to use ForeFlight. I think ForeFlight offers a superior weather product, no surprise considering that’s where they started. But I think Garmin pilot gave me a better overview of weather with their station information display.
Logbook wise Garmin pilot is also slightly easier if you need to go back later and edit or download the CSV files. I’m gonna keep using ForeFlight because that’s what works for my current airplane. If I ever come into “my fortune“ and upgrade to a TM 930 or epic 1000 GX I’ll switch back to Garmin pilot then :-)
Thank you
@OneRustyPilot Bottom line is either work. If you have a Garmin panel, use Garmin pilot. If you have a non-garmin panel that only works with FF, use FF. If you panel works with either than it really doesn't matter.
I currently have the Dynon Skyview HDX + IFD540. The IFD540 only works with FF (and several other EFBs, just not Garmin Pilot).
I've ended up going Garmin, mainly because it connects directly with my Garmin transponder for ADS-b in. Like you I am also an Android guy.....BUT, I tried to use Android tablets and eventually bit the bullet and bought Ipads. 1. Andoid tablets just didn't seem to be as high of build quality, I contantly had issues with reboots and overheating. 2. Probably most important, updates and fixes come on IOS way sooner than Android. It was frustrating, the developers just don't seem to put the same resources into the Andriod version.
I'm currently using both Garmin Pilot (VFR version) and FlyQ (I have a lifetime IFR charts subscription). I have very little experience with Foreflight so I can't help you with that.
Thank you so much.
Garmin Pilot on Android and iPad are NOT the same. Garmin Pilot on Android lags in features. Switched a couple years ago Garmin Pilot on iPad for the newer features.
Wow, that's good to know. What ADSB receiver did you choose?
@@OneRustyPilotGarmin GDL50 as it works with Foreflight and Garmin Pilot apps, originally used a Stratux, but upgraded for a smaller size device, plus having battery included is nice as I'm a renter currently
I would choose Garmin for me,but you should choose fore flight as money is not a problem
It is a concern. Why pay more if I don't need to.
FLARM and ADS-B devices are not supported by Garmin Pilot, only by Foreflight. I own Garmin Pilot and it is a big regret for me.
Thank you but I'm confused. Garmin has this ADSB receiver
www.garmin.com/en-US/p/93601
If money is no object, ForeFlight, the catch being you have to purchase an overpriced iOS device. That being said, I too am a "Rusty Pilot" who recently received his SI 3rd Class Medical and I'm back with a CFI to get current. My CFI is also a commercial pilot flying Citations for his "day" job and uses ForeFlight, However, for the rest of us who are flying for "fun" ForeFlight is probably overkill.
I've settled in with iFlyEFB which runs fantastic on my $160 Android Tablet, and my Windows PC. iFlyEFB connects with most ADS-B's except Stratus II. But since I'll be a renter, I picked up a Stratux to take my ADS-B with me. Now if ForeFlight was ever made available for Android, I might bite. As far as Garmin Pilot, I've read that Garmin shows more love for their iOS version leaving their Android version wanting.
Heard that a few times now about Garmin and android. I'll check out iflyefb. Thank you
I've used Garmin Pilot for so long, I used it when it had its previous name. I never found a need to use Foreflight. I hear that both have their advantages. The only disadvantage I can think of is the likelihood that a co-pilot you may fly with someday may be using Foreflight. More pilots use Foreflight, I believe. That disadvantage is insufficient to stop you from using Garmin Pilot, IMHO. Good luck.
Many thanks. What ADSB receiver do you use?
Foreflight was my choice because it seemed more intuitive to me than Garmin's. Most everyone I know uses Foreflight for what ever that's worth. I have tried iFly too but it seems to lag. As far as the issue with having to get an iPad, I find an iPad to be about the cheapest thing you might need in aviation - I can't believe it's an issue. Use your Android for your other stuff and just keep the iPad for flying. I have a iPad mini that I only use for flying so it's not loaded with lots of superfluous apps.
What receiver do you use?
@@OneRustyPilot The homemade one "Stratux". There're kits (remember Heath kits, like one of those) where you can build your own ADS-B in receiver. It comes up as Stratux on the iPad's Wifi and it's a lot cheaper than a Stratus and works just as well. My friends and I have done some comparisons between the two and I really can't tell the difference. The iPad mini 6 that I use for flying has cellular service, so it has a built-in GPS but you can use a Wifi only iPad. My everyday iPad is a plain Wifi that I bought refurbished. I think once you're in the Foreflight app or any other flight tool app that you might want to have, you won't notice any difference. It's outside the app where you may have to adapt to some changes but you really won't interact too much with the OS. I've had to use Android stuff on occasions and apps function the same, it's just in the menus and OS level of stuff where I had to adapt or adjust expectations. I am not an Android nor a Windows user but I am not an Apple apologist, I work in the film industry and it's 95% Mac; so being a Mac user in a Windows world I understand being the odd one out. I know a pilot that uses Foreflight and transfers his flight plans to his Garmin (430w I think). Unfortunately, I have no experience with that because my avionics are from the last century. I think any opinion you get will be just that an opinion tainted with bias.. kind of Chevy vs Ford, Mac vs PC, GOP vs DNC, high wing vs low wing, etc.. It seems what someone starts with, it becomes their religion. I try to be open, especially if there is a more economical and equally effective option. I always think, that's more money for gas.
Thank you. Maybe a future video.... building my own receiver?
@@OneRustyPilot You’re mighty welcome! Yeah, I think it’s a marvelous idea. It was reminiscent of putting together a Heath kit UTC clock when I was kid.
WingX Pro is better than both of them. Much more user friendly and intuitive.
Good to know. Í will check it out.
👍✅ Sorry but i'm way rusty-er-er-er than you are so can't help you from personal experience. Sure someone will chime in with an opinion.
Thanks. Maybe it can help guide you as well.
Android tablets have consistently, for years now, been total garbage. iPads are popular because they’re dependable and consistent, exactly the kind of hardware you need if you’re going to be using an EFB.
Not necessarily true, I have a $300 12 inch tablet and it's been working great, it's mainly that some apps are not optimized for it, but for the vast majority of apps it works well