I rigged one up with an Axe III patch so I can blend in synth apps on an iPad with my regular guitar signal, both controlled with their own Vol pedal. Path is: Guitar-1/4" out to Axe III Input 1/Fishman wireless out to iPad (via wireless receiver into an iTrack Dock). The iPad sits in the Dock. The stereo outs from the Dock feed stereo inputs in the Axe III. One path is a regular guitar setup (In/Amp/Effects/Cab, etc). The 2nd path is the Synth path (In/Vol/out). Both outputs going to PA and onstage Guitar Cab. Using Audiobus 3 on the iPad to mix Synth apps to feed to the outputs. Because the synth sounds can be glitchy, I blend in a small amount of regular guitar signal to stabilize the notes. So if a glitch occurs, the regular guitar signal sounds the same note and it's not as noticable. So for instance, you could have a nice clean guitar sound w/Chorus and blend in a Fender Rhodes. It sounds complicated, but it's not that bad. Still working out the kinks.
I have one. The Fishman is the best midi guitar solution to date but it’s still not there for live performance yet unless you are an extremely clean player or your audience will tolerate an occasional wrong note. I’ve found it most useful for recording when you need to lay down a bass line when building a song because you can go into the piano roll and fix the clams. For synth chords, remember a keyboard is 10 fingers on keys and a guitar is 6 strings and a pick so the performance is not going to sound the same. It might be easier just to learn some keyboards. EVH and Geddy Lee and John Paul Jones show you don’t have to be a great player to add a lot to the band with keys as your second instrument. Always enjoy your videos and your playing Leon!
@@LeonToddThis is exactly what I'm hoping to đi with my FTP that I've own for almost 3 years but have given up on. I don't need 100,000 sounds (I also own a dozen keyboards and synth), just enough to have some fun! I'm gonna get the FTP back out and give it another shot!
The noodling at 2:38 with the Electric Piano sound, sounded so awesome, simply because it was using a piano sound yet doing something a piano could never do, and this was mind blowing. This is the midi controller of the future.
MIDI is data. The FTP is transferring data, which your DAW receives. Just like recording audio, you may have to specify in your record settings to record MIDI data. You’ll love it once you record the data, because it can be edited. What you’ll find is the performance nuances are in there. Velocity is a large part of nuance. Timing is another. Now you don’t need to view and edit data, you can just record the audio, glitches and all, but an edit will let you beat the keyboard player, there will be zero flaws, timing perfect, nuances intact. Benefits are many. You can audition various instruments in real time, hard pan left and right a mix of instruments, change the BPM, and post process interactively. As you mentioned many of the instruments are dry, mono, which are my favorite, because I like to add these effects, track them separately. Discovery will be a constant, these synth libraries are enormous, blending synths is limitless, your ear an excellent guide. Just when you thought you opened a big can of worms with an AxeFX and Eventide, FTP is even bigger. Softsynths are perhaps the best addition to your creative process. Keep em coming Leon!
I just love the tripleplay as you perhaps can see. I actually enjoyed your video a lot. Remember: if you start having trouble with interference, bite the bullet and put the dongle ON the guitar. Other than that and the dodgy app (Who cares? We all bought it to plug into a DAW anyhow) it's splendid, we all get to Fripp out and have a great time.😊🤘🏾
I love my FTP; I use it with MainStage and make efforts to reduce glitchy ghost notes by setting up parameters per song and per use… things like limiting the keyboard layer so it can’t trigger the super high ghost notes, or setting scale parameters when it makes sense to do so. Like you said, you have to think like a keys player with this thing. So, in addition to all of the new virtual instruments, MIDI effects are a new tool in your arsenal as well, and that can create a lot more usability for live performances.
Again a great video Leon, thanks. But how about running this into a midi synth module like f.i. Roland Integra or something, and then into the Axe Fx 3 and mix it (expression pedal and/or 'hold' function) with the guitar sound to add extra ambiance sounds. The sky is the limmit !
Hi, I really enjoyed your video. I’ve been doing the guitar synthesizer thing since Roland came out with them in the late 70s. I can tell you’re having fun, but that you’re just getting started and a bit overwhelmed with it. First suggestion: you need to go into the software and set up your string sensitivities very carefully. Two: turn off the string bending. Just keep it off, until you are used to playing the system. Three: you’ll get much better response if you play with a guitar pick than with your fingers.
I use it EXACTLY the same way in my DAW. You DO need the TP app for the initial setup for sensitivity, mono/poly mode, bending etc. but after that it smooth sailing. Look into the UVI and AIR Music synths/plugins. As long as you play accurately it's pretty amazing.
Indeed. I have never heard any of their soft synths but they sound great. My biggest beef with the FTP is the lack of dedicated hardware. At least for live playing. I don't want their footswitch; I want their wireless tech married to a their own dedicated hardware device. I get that the market for it is probably close to non-existent; but that doesn't mean I can't dare to dream :)
Since I learned the concepts behind synth sound design on my GP10 & VG99, I never use the guitar to midi stuff anymore. I find it more satisfying to be able to program & play sounds without all the glitches. If was going for an instrument sound, like a piano or violin, I'd blend midi with a modelled/analog transient. You get a better feel & way less glitching.
@@LeonTodd I couldn't get my head round it at all, until I started watching keyboard players explaining all the waveforms & filters. I probably watch more synth players on here than guitarists now.
In the library and where it’s says (Fishman Legacy Factory original is all in red and won’t play ,how can I get that to play it have organs pianos etc… help please
I had a Roland Gtr Synth like your dads. I was lucky enough to find a Roland ready Strat after a few years that had the GK2 pick built in. After two decades I decided to trade and get the new Fishman Triple Play. As standalone, the Fishman works and sounds great. But after hours and hours trying everything I could think of, I still can't get it to work inside Pro Tools! It's no good to me if I cant use it to Record! If you have any insights please let me know. Thanks. Never should have traded my Roland Gtr and GR-20!
Cool. I like the synth. I've used one live and in the studio for the past few years. Had a few issues recently, but it's still the best of the bunch (with Midi guitar 2 a close 2nd).
Great Vid Leon, As always, questions please, Lets say you want to play Drop D, do you actually have to detune you low E to the D pitch so its actually tracking a D, or can you leave the E string tuned to E and it converts it to D in the software ?, also if your using it to trigger external soft synths like your doing in the vid, can you still split different area's of the fretboard say have the low E and A playing your own soft synth Bass sound and the top four string playing a Rhodes piano, one more thing is it possible to have the 4th string D be an octave down but the rest of the string in the normal pitch ?
I feel like when I do bends, the mod wheel function goes 0-100 immediately. There’s no nuance. Is there a particular setting inside of the TP software that adjusts the mod sensitivity?
I think the violin, sax and the flute sound great on this thing. I've had the roland gr 20 for over a decade. Great unit but it has bulky cords and not nearly as simple to hook up as this. Jennifer Batten rips one of these. I'll probably pick one up someday ..
I've been after one of these for years, just now seriously considering buying one to go along with a guitar I'm building. Do you reckon you could stick one on an archtop with a floating bridge? Maybe with the tune-o-matic adapter thingy that comes with it?
Do you mean noise (i.e. industrial) music? If so, then the word from Cozi onwards has been: " just plug the thing in and do it.' And there you have me.🤘🏾
@@sabrinagibson3197 I think I meant does it track well with your laptop in a live setting. I bought the GK-3 and it works great with the SY1000 but lags when then ran into plugins
@@peacefulruler1 I mean, if you use the proprietary triple play program for your midi input, as opposed to just running it as a midi controller in a standard daw. You can adjust different parameters for each patch in order to better allow yourself to get the sound you want.
Been looking into this kind of stuff to record with, since I only play bass and guitar. This seems to be the best option. Are there actual hardware devices to use as your sound source? Also, triple play + evertune bridge + giant strings + fret wrap = best guitar controller?
Have you seen Jam Origin Midi Guitar? Check out what this guy's extracting from it.ruclips.net/user/lofileif All these solutions track the same but they all seem to work best with their native software as they're optimised for guitar. What sounds & feel you're trying to get will inform which product will work best for you.
I have just tonight gotten it to work in Musescore; the 4th edition is fabulous. Yet I was sort of displeased that musescore wouldn't recognize it, but tonight it did. Now to COMPOSE something...😆
@@sabrinagibson3197 thanks great! is it plug and play or do you need any fishman software? does a software synth detectect it? like perhaps like kontak . thanks
To me, everything sounds like it could be from the score of Bladerunner, the old one from the early eighties. Not a bad thing. Just very "replicant-noir" or something. Cool gadget for sure.
I rigged one up with an Axe III patch so I can blend in synth apps on an iPad with my regular guitar signal, both controlled with their own Vol pedal. Path is: Guitar-1/4" out to Axe III Input 1/Fishman wireless out to iPad (via wireless receiver into an iTrack Dock). The iPad sits in the Dock. The stereo outs from the Dock feed stereo inputs in the Axe III. One path is a regular guitar setup (In/Amp/Effects/Cab, etc). The 2nd path is the Synth path (In/Vol/out). Both outputs going to PA and onstage Guitar Cab. Using Audiobus 3 on the iPad to mix Synth apps to feed to the outputs. Because the synth sounds can be glitchy, I blend in a small amount of regular guitar signal to stabilize the notes. So if a glitch occurs, the regular guitar signal sounds the same note and it's not as noticable. So for instance, you could have a nice clean guitar sound w/Chorus and blend in a Fender Rhodes. It sounds complicated, but it's not that bad. Still working out the kinks.
That's awesome man!
I have one. The Fishman is the best midi guitar solution to date but it’s still not there for live performance yet unless you are an extremely clean player or your audience will tolerate an occasional wrong note. I’ve found it most useful for recording when you need to lay down a bass line when building a song because you can go into the piano roll and fix the clams. For synth chords, remember a keyboard is 10 fingers on keys and a guitar is 6 strings and a pick so the performance is not going to sound the same. It might be easier just to learn some keyboards. EVH and Geddy Lee and John Paul Jones show you don’t have to be a great player to add a lot to the band with keys as your second instrument.
Always enjoy your videos and your playing Leon!
Yeah I agree it's not quite there to use live unfortunately. Lots of fun at home and in the studio though
Equally, no matter how clean your technique is, you may have problems with 2.4GHz interference in high radio traffic venues.
Haha overall fully agree but funny to read the EVH comment seeing as he was a piano prodigy and a very proficient player
@@LeonToddThis is exactly what I'm hoping to đi with my FTP that I've own for almost 3 years but have given up on. I don't need 100,000 sounds (I also own a dozen keyboards and synth), just enough to have some fun!
I'm gonna get the FTP back out and give it another shot!
The noodling at 2:38 with the Electric Piano sound, sounded so awesome, simply because it was using a piano sound yet doing something a piano could never do, and this was mind blowing. This is the midi controller of the future.
I had Roland VG8 and had so much fun with the device. Thank you Leon, as always very informative and inspiring. Greetings from Austria🎶👍🤘
MIDI is data. The FTP is transferring data, which your DAW receives. Just like recording audio, you may have to specify in your record settings to record MIDI data.
You’ll love it once you record the data, because it can be edited. What you’ll find is the performance nuances are in there. Velocity is a large part of nuance. Timing is another.
Now you don’t need to view and edit data, you can just record the audio, glitches and all, but an edit will let you beat the keyboard player, there will be zero flaws, timing perfect, nuances intact.
Benefits are many. You can audition various instruments in real time, hard pan left and right a mix of instruments, change the BPM, and post process interactively.
As you mentioned many of the instruments are dry, mono, which are my favorite, because I like to add these effects, track them separately.
Discovery will be a constant, these synth libraries are enormous, blending synths is limitless, your ear an excellent guide. Just when you thought you opened a big can of worms with an AxeFX and Eventide, FTP is even bigger. Softsynths are perhaps the best addition to your creative process.
Keep em coming Leon!
Being able to go back and fix clams in midi is so much easy than raw guitar.
I just love the tripleplay as you perhaps can see. I actually enjoyed your video a lot. Remember: if you start having trouble with interference, bite the bullet and put the dongle ON the guitar. Other than that and the dodgy app (Who cares? We all bought it to plug into a DAW anyhow) it's splendid, we all get to Fripp out and have a great time.😊🤘🏾
I love my FTP; I use it with MainStage and make efforts to reduce glitchy ghost notes by setting up parameters per song and per use… things like limiting the keyboard layer so it can’t trigger the super high ghost notes, or setting scale parameters when it makes sense to do so. Like you said, you have to think like a keys player with this thing. So, in addition to all of the new virtual instruments, MIDI effects are a new tool in your arsenal as well, and that can create a lot more usability for live performances.
Again a great video Leon, thanks. But how about running this into a midi synth module like f.i. Roland Integra or something, and then into the Axe Fx 3 and mix it (expression pedal and/or 'hold' function) with the guitar sound to add extra ambiance sounds. The sky is the limmit !
Hi, I really enjoyed your video. I’ve been doing the guitar synthesizer thing since Roland came out with them in the late 70s. I can tell you’re having fun, but that you’re just getting started and a bit overwhelmed with it. First suggestion: you need to go into the software and set up your string sensitivities very carefully. Two: turn off the string bending. Just keep it off, until you are used to playing the system. Three: you’ll get much better response if you play with a guitar pick than with your fingers.
I use it EXACTLY the same way in my DAW. You DO need the TP app for the initial setup for sensitivity, mono/poly mode, bending etc. but after that it smooth sailing. Look into the UVI and AIR Music synths/plugins. As long as you play accurately it's pretty amazing.
Some credit here definitely goes to Arturia's stellar virtual instruments
that suite is one of my absolute favourite things
@@LeonTodd If you make any cool patches, post 'em!
Indeed. I have never heard any of their soft synths but they sound great. My biggest beef with the FTP is the lack of dedicated hardware. At least for live playing. I don't want their footswitch; I want their wireless tech married to a their own dedicated hardware device. I get that the market for it is probably close to non-existent; but that doesn't mean I can't dare to dream :)
@@TrumpetsInMy4x12 yeah I'm with you there. it would be awesome to have a hardware module rather than carting an interface and laptop.
I used it live with softsynths on my Ipad once. Once.
Since I learned the concepts behind synth sound design on my GP10 & VG99, I never use the guitar to midi stuff anymore. I find it more satisfying to be able to program & play sounds without all the glitches.
If was going for an instrument sound, like a piano or violin, I'd blend midi with a modelled/analog transient. You get a better feel & way less glitching.
I'm slowly getting there with the Axe-Fx synth blocks. Whole new world!
@@LeonTodd I couldn't get my head round it at all, until I started watching keyboard players explaining all the waveforms & filters. I probably watch more synth players on here than guitarists now.
In the library and where it’s says (Fishman Legacy Factory original is all in red and won’t play ,how can I get that to play it have organs pianos etc… help please
I had a Roland Gtr Synth like your dads. I was lucky enough to find a Roland ready Strat after a few years that had the GK2 pick built in. After two decades I decided to trade and get the new Fishman Triple Play. As standalone, the Fishman works and sounds great. But after hours and hours trying everything I could think of, I still can't get it to work inside Pro Tools! It's no good to me if I cant use it to Record! If you have any insights please let me know. Thanks. Never should have traded my Roland Gtr and GR-20!
Cool. I like the synth. I've used one live and in the studio for the past few years. Had a few issues recently, but it's still the best of the bunch (with Midi guitar 2 a close 2nd).
Great Vid Leon, As always, questions please, Lets say you want to play Drop D, do you actually have to detune you low E to the D pitch so its actually tracking a D, or can you leave the E string tuned to E and it converts it to D in the software ?, also if your using it to trigger external soft synths like your doing in the vid, can you still split different area's of the fretboard say have the low E and A playing your own soft synth Bass sound and the top four string playing a Rhodes piano, one more thing is it possible to have the 4th string D be an octave down but the rest of the string in the normal pitch ?
Nice one Leon! One useful tip: you might wanna check that the pitchbend range settings on your FTP and softsynths are set to match :)
That makes a lot of sense!
I feel like when I do bends, the mod wheel function goes 0-100 immediately. There’s no nuance. Is there a particular setting inside of the TP software that adjusts the mod sensitivity?
I think the violin, sax and the flute sound great on this thing. I've had the roland gr 20 for over a decade. Great unit but it has bulky cords and not nearly as simple to hook up as this. Jennifer Batten rips one of these. I'll probably pick one up someday ..
13 seconds in and loving it.
Looking into this to use with my Akai Force as I’m not a keyboard player!
I've been after one of these for years, just now seriously considering buying one to go along with a guitar I'm building. Do you reckon you could stick one on an archtop with a floating bridge? Maybe with the tune-o-matic adapter thingy that comes with it?
Looks great and I use Arturia. Does anyone have any examples of using this in a noise setting live?
Do you mean noise (i.e. industrial) music? If so, then the word from Cozi onwards has been: " just plug the thing in and do it.' And there you have me.🤘🏾
@@sabrinagibson3197 I think I meant does it track well with your laptop in a live setting. I bought the GK-3 and it works great with the SY1000 but lags when then ran into plugins
put it in a sensitive sunday track :)
;)
if you use the app, the tracking and playing become a lot more natural. Still not perfect, but I've used it at shows successfully
Seth Takacs please explain more? Phone App versus ? Thanks in advance
@@peacefulruler1 I mean, if you use the proprietary triple play program for your midi input, as opposed to just running it as a midi controller in a standard daw. You can adjust different parameters for each patch in order to better allow yourself to get the sound you want.
will it pick up the notes in say fl piano roll? just record and tweak it after?
Been looking into this kind of stuff to record with, since I only play bass and guitar. This seems to be the best option. Are there actual hardware devices to use as your sound source? Also, triple play + evertune bridge + giant strings + fret wrap = best guitar controller?
Have you seen Jam Origin Midi Guitar? Check out what this guy's extracting from it.ruclips.net/user/lofileif
All these solutions track the same but they all seem to work best with their native software as they're optimised for guitar. What sounds & feel you're trying to get will inform which product will work best for you.
Any noticeable delay between plucking and hearing the sound?
Super cool
Lots of fun!
Anyone out there I can pay to help me load libraries into my triple play?
Is it suitable for electro acoustic guitar?
Btw did you saw those mat bellamay elk guitar?
Yeah that thing looks wild and amazing
Does this work with GarageBand?
Can it do bends?
How do you safely get the pickup mount ring off the guitar?
@Cole Lewis Dental floss works excellent and leaves no marks or scratches!
does anyone use it to write in finale o sibelius?
I have just tonight gotten it to work in Musescore; the 4th edition is fabulous. Yet I was sort of displeased that musescore wouldn't recognize it, but tonight it did. Now to COMPOSE something...😆
Thanks! will like to hear how it works on the delay, and the articulation@@sabrinagibson3197
@@sabrinagibson3197 thanks great! is it plug and play or do you need any fishman software? does a software synth detectect it? like perhaps like kontak . thanks
do dive bombs work?
Is an ipad or mac an absolute must with this unit?
It needs to trigger something to make sounds - Fishman offer a pedal that will convert this to midi if you want to trigger hardware synths instead.
To me, everything sounds like it could be from the score of Bladerunner, the old one from the early eighties. Not a bad thing. Just very "replicant-noir" or something. Cool gadget for sure.
That Deckard DX patch he was playing is exactly that. An emulation of some of Vangelis' CS-80 patches.
sounds too glitchy, no?
Is there any real music created with this or is it all just noodling?
Aye. There is! I use it a lot.