Throne Cleaver Is The Best Sword For Crota And I Can Prove It!
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- Опубликовано: 11 дек 2023
- In under 30 seconds Throne Cleaver can output over 6 MILLION DAMAGE by itself! With only the sword you can do more damage in one phase than other people can do during the ENTIRE FIGHT.
Through A LOT of testing I have found this to be far better than Lament AND Bequest and in this video I will PROVE it to you.
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This video took a while to make I hope you like it and give Throne Cleaver a try!
Huge fan of your videos man! If you ever need someone else for testing or anything add me! slipperygunboy69#1924
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Thank you!
This is exactly how an instructional build in D2 should be made! Excellent.
To me, Throne cleaver and Bequest are better when surrounded is active, but lament is better when it can’t be activated
I'd agree, I think in the Crota fight since there is such an abundance of ads that makes this viable. In the video I showed that Lament hits a bit more at BASE than either sword so its a good sword for sure.
Which is like 99% of LFGs. You can't stop the 40 y/o raider from killing the ads intentionally or by accident.
@@paulcrisafi4415 40-year-old gamer here. You can't stop the high af, impulsive 20-year-old from forgetting about the timer. lol. Just being funny. It is hard to get people in LFG to lay off the ad clear. Like a moth to a flame.
Most LFGs do damage in front of the spawn room. There’s no enemies around to get surrounded. In an optimal setting it’s better but optimal is rare now a days.
@@drxdrgamingbro said like a moth to a flame☠️☠️
its crazy to see such a well structured and in depth vid from a small channel pls keep up this work its great
Check out Aegis He does the calculations the correct way. The DMG shown at the end of the boss arent correct and are misleading people into thinking certain weapons are better than others eventho they are fare behind.
Nice breakdown! Bequest has served me well but I’ll definitely need to try out Throne Cleaver now. You’ve got a good thing going with your channel, keep it up!
Great video man, lots of good info
I went through the entire legendary lightfall campaign with Throne-Cleaver and god Berserker. The healing from Banner of War, damage from Synthoceps, and Woven Mail from that one berserk artifact was SO OP! I even demolished the tormentors with the set up.
I'm obsessed with throne cleaver as a fellow crayon eater so Imma go change the rolls on my level 425 throne cleaver real quiiick xD
Yesssssssssssss
I'm re-crafting for this thanks man
Every video from InSaNeGaMeR is InSaNe!
4:04 Because that's about how much time you have to do on crota anyway? Lowkey looks like you chose 26 seconds because that's when you started to dps in your best throne cleaver damage clip and that's also the amount of time it took you to dump all your heavy ammo. Let's assume you are not on oversoul duty while you are using bequest and lament just like you weren't when you were using throne cleaver, what's stopping you from waiting on top of crota and using all 30 seconds of the damage phase on him? It probably isn't ammo right since adaptives use less ammo on heavy attacks, it probably isn't killing an add since you don't need to proc duelist trance on those swords either. Not saying throne cleaver isin't the best just trying to point out some things that I feel like were not fair against bequest and lament. Also bequest can also get duelist trance on the left column and have surrounded on at the same time, any specific reason you didn't test them with the same perks? Also I wish you showed which perks and spec you were using on your legendary swords because for all I know you might have accidently had on tempered edge and enduring guard on bequest. Just some feedback you should maybe keep in mind when testing things out
No one’s reading all that
thank you a lot very good video
What a great content
Excellent audio and video quality
TY! I plan on doing more videos in this style in the future
Have you tested the other class specific swords to see how they do compare?
Surrounded perk doing the heavy lifting
Amazing product man 🙏🙏🙏
Thank you so much!
Oh wow i use that sword for my last raid for crota nice seeing this
saw an aztecross video talking about guillotine it technically out damages bequest (frenzy surrounded) but is way less ammo efficient. plus keep in mind it’s have enhanced perks too in final shape. I still don’t think it’s worth running over other options due to its terrible ammo efficiency but it’s worth a mention.
I kept a crown splitter with relentless & whirlwind and it's served me well
goated
im a believer, but isn't duelist's trance redundant if you have strongholds on? it provides more benefit
You could've easily gotten another heavy hit in there before you died too if you didn't use ammo on the adds before the damage phase, so you can really say that 6.4 mil is doable at the very least. That's actually nuts
Definitely could have gotten that extra hit in, plus since that only takes 26 seconds if you have a damage super or 1-2 punch strand syntho melees then thats easily 7 mil. In ONE phase which is wildddddd
@@insanegamer3003 i once hit 7.2 mil in one phase with arc hunter and bequest, which i was only able to hit because i got to throw 2 arc sticks in one damage phase(1 at the start and one in final stand), and it seemed like the max amount of damage one can get in one damage phase with the normal damage strats. throne cleaver being able to damn near hit that without a damage super is absolutely wild.
POV you’re a hunter watching this video trying to get better boss dps
*sad thumbs up*
Now you need to test the new falling guilotine
I'm definitely going to try this. I mix in heavies with Bequest to burn through as much ammo as possible and in my experience that does much better damage than just light attacks. How long does Duelists last and is only using 1 copy of Lucent Blades a deal breaker for shown combo?
Honestly Idk who is right here, but this is the document I have been using for DPS which is based on theoretical frame perfect dmg made by Aegis and Bequest should hit about 26% harder than thronercleaver if using the 2L1H1R combo with x3 lucent blades It should do more than thronecleaver even if just using light attacks which directly contrast with what the video said. docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_5wtBjRYHHxuF4oJKDb_iOGZs-wTkzB6RYbnyNLbuz4/edit?usp=drivesdk
The perk says until you put the weapon away
Bequest has more dmg output through light attacks since you can get more attacks out without having downtime waiting for recharge.
@@inceneration not entirely true - you want to deplete your ammo as fast as possible and you can't do that without heavy swings mixed in. At least in my experience this is correct, and some damage testers have proven it.
YES LESSGO! I brought it for Crota but I used Flash Counter and Surrounded. I kid you not, I did over 6 mil in damage.
This is for titan so what about warlock and hunter swords??
Does popping a super like burning maul count as 'stowing' your weapon?
I’ve been using witherhoard/throne cleaver since Crotas end dropped in D2 and almost always have had one of the highest of not the highest boss damage numbers in my fireteams. And nobody ever assumes it’s gonna do as good as it does. Although to be fair I don’t even have the same setup as you
Quick question does the weapon loadout matter as long as you use a throne cleaver in the heavy slot?
No you can use anything in the kinetic and energy slots. That's just what I use.
Throne cleaver actually does good damage thats kinda dope but sucks that titans just do so much damage with banner and sythos or worm gods and can just be tractor
The damage is utterly insane.
I prefer throne cleaver more then the others becuse of surrounded even in the new dungon its op there for first boss
Watching you fight Crota one on one my only thought was
Teammate: Hey! Insane, it's dps. Let's get everyone up here for-
Insanegamer: No. Leave me to my own devices.
Alright, time to out damage my teamma- oh wait. My hunter can't even lift throne cleaver :D
Would witherhoard and taken spec stack with the rest of the buffs for throne cleaver?
witherhoard would do more passive damage, but taken spec im not sure about
@@insanegamer3003 exactly. I'm meaning more of taken spec damage bonus than witherhoard passive damage. impressive damage none the less.
Can you still get the throne cleaver today as a f2p player?
whats the background music at 6:00?
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Interesting vid. I'd like to add a couple things regarding Lament. 1st, is to start with 5 revved light + H to get the most damage out of all those hits from the start, whould be a solid chunk. Then, with 2 Lucent Blade mods (Or maybe even 1), you can shift into a 2 regular lights -> 3 revved lights -> revved heavy -> repeat. This will give you extra banshee's wail stacks for the heavy attack, improving the damage.
This is trading higher dps and total damage for a higher combo damage. You need to compare your combo damage to the ammo it uses and the time it takes to do. This is not optimal. Do the combo in the video with 3x lucent blades.
Excellent…which sword would you use for warlocks?
lol
For warlocks, probably just Bequest :3
Is this with surge?
What happens if you use worm gods with it
I'm pretty sure you need 3 light attacks to maximize Lament's damage. So Those might be some nerfed damage numbers coming out of Lament. Also as a Lament enjoyer, I generally get off around 5 million damage but I also have ammo after a phase. Either way I'm going to try a throne cleaver on my strand build and see how it compares.
If you wanna maximise lament.. Its 2 light 1 heavy. If you got lucent blades in your chest. its 3 light 1 heavy then 2 light 1 heavy after that.
Where can i farm Throne Cleaver?
Big titan dubs
Have you ever been hit by a wet sock? That sh*t hurts
thought it was more optimal to do 2l1h for bequest, can u do a retest given that combo?
@@CardinalBBallD2 bequest has surrounded tho
@@ollie3427 mb, thought you said lament
Ill take a look at that as well as gold tusk. I heard it may be good.
@@insanegamer3003 oh damn ok
@@insanegamer3003 goldtusk isnt as good as some people think it got a lot of hype due to a miscalculation by a youtuber/streamer who has corrected his mistake at best it still does worse than bequest and at worst can do worse than using a sword normally
Where did you get throne cleaver ?
Vortex Frame swords are for those situations when you get suddenly surrounded by surprise and need a quick rescue, just switch to sword and do one heavy attack to delete all nearby adds.
Or 1-2 punch go brr
Aegis’s spreadsheet says Bequest 2L1H does 138,676 while Throne Cleaver 1H2L does 109,538 and Lament 2L1H2R does 109,772. I’ve got to believe his numbers because his methodology is a lot more accurate, but regardless, Bequest is still a better option because you can use it on hunter and pair it with a pre-popped nighthawk which will give you a better overall damage increase even using your numbers, which are inaccurate.
Same. I trust Aegis more than this since there is no spreadsheet calculations or timing calculations at all. This video is at best half arsed
Ever heard about Aegis Boss DPS spreadsheet???
I hope u find lots and lots of crumbs in your bed today
what is with cartetaker?
The issue with thrown cleaved is it's titan only. I will say yes if you are on titan it is the way to go but otherwise The Lament is king.
The lament does less dmg than Bequest. Check out Aegis in-depth guide on why and how.
Do you know the best way to farm for Throne Cleaver patterns?
At the war table, gotta open recovered leviathan weapons, all rng baby
Also is a titan only weapon
How is surrounded procing on crota though? there arent enemies close nough right?
If you notice, they're doing DPS near one of the towers by the boomer knights and you can keep some of those orange bar wizards alive nearby. It's definitely different than where you would typically do damage from, but this is how you get surrounded active for Bequest or Throne Cleaver.
Nice guide 💜 can the Throne Cleaver still drop?
It's craftable you can get red borders from focusing engrmans at the war table in the helm
@@IronAvenger101how do you get said engrams? I just came back last season so I wasn’t around for those weapons and I really want throne cleaver
@@StatesguardRNG I believe, you also have to make sure you've picked up that seasons item
Edit: it tells you when you pick up the item that you can dismantle it to stop earning rewards from strikes gambit and crucible
@@IronAvenger101 cheers 💜
great numbers but on the majority of the clips when you are hitting Crota there are no adds near you, so no surrounded - most of the calculations are for the scenarios that will never happen in game
Goldtusk enters the chat
I personally use gold tusk and hit similar damage as Throne Cleaver
Could you test goldtusk?
I may at some point tbh
what about death's razor with dualist trance and enhanced surrounded
Well it isn't too great ammo or damage wise in comparison, but its fast.
How do you have surrounded proc'd for the entirety of Crota's damage phase when it goes away after 1.5s of not being 'surrounded'? Surely Crota's not considered 3+ enemies?
You get crota towards the side bridges or the front so the ads that spawn underneath let you proc surrounded 👍🏼
thrall
Whats the build
omg Guillotine does 42 million!!!!! new meta guys!!! quick!!!
Excellent video. One small criticism. At least based on Aegis spreadsheet, bequests best dps combo is better if you use heavy attacks too. The combo being 2L1H1R (R meaning regular light) repeat. This is assuming you have 3 lucent blades. Without heavys bequests dps drops a decent amount, though bequest light attacks are probably easier and more consistent to pull off due to Crotas somewhat inconsistent hitbox.
Thank you! And yeah I've heard about the Aegis spreadsheet but can't find it. If someone could send it to me I'd take a look. I am going to retest some things in a different video
@@insanegamer3003drive.google.com/drive/u/0/mobile/folders/1AL3GM6rSSrm4LtSZeayxpSUsvSJdsiU3
Is Throne Cleaver still obtainable?
Yeah it is at the wartable in the Helm. You need Season of Defiant engrams to decrypt the recovered leviathan engrams
@@insanegamer3003 I got my hands on one, Appreciate it! What’s your favorite roll?
Enhanced Duelist Trance with Enhanced surrounded, for everything else look at the build at the end of the video and np!@@Effortastic
How does zephyr with cold steel fare?
It is terrible I'm afraid.
caretaker is also a great alternative to bequest when you're on hunter or warlock
Is falling guillotine still good?
It's decent for sure but since it's surrounded isn't enhanced it does less damage than throne cleaver
Cool fact, it deals 1400 damage in crucible. Which is as absurd as you think it is
Goldtusk on hunter is still better because starteaters blade barrage. I hit 10.6 mil while the rest of the team was at 1-2 mil.
Yes, but that 10.6 was over multiple phases.
Is Caretaker even worth considering? Same perks as thrown cleaver and it can also have Relentless Strikes
Triton Vice/Winterbite
Crown splitter 👀
Try goldtusk
What about falling guillotine with whirlwind blade and light attacks only? I thought that had the best total damage?
Where Throne Cleaver drop?
The helm at the wartable in the leviathan engrams
Why wouldn't it be!? Why wouldn't it be the best!?.......seems very......titan.
lament charge is a buff
Assuming you’re on Banner Titan then yeah
What about caretaker?
no way is spamming light attacks better than using heavys
ahh well how do we craft it now in 2023?
The war table in the helm, recovered leviathan engrams.
Big flaw in the video, you only light attack with bequest just like gold tusk basically.
I see your point
However: you need all Titans as it's a Titan exclusive sword and this is just a promotion to make more people into Titan mains
Mean while….. if your on titan and your not bad you just just be doing strand titan damage especially since your already leaving ads alive lol
For Lament the optimal combo is either:
1) 3x1x1 with 3 Lucent Blades (slightly lower DPS, but higher total damage)
2) 3x1x2 with 2 Lucent Blades (higher DPS, lower total damage)
For Bequest, the optimal combo is 2 light 1 heavy with 3 Lucent Blades. However, regardless how many Lucent Blades you're using, it will always be optimal to use your heavy attack as soon as you have any sword energy available, unless you're at risk of running out of ammo (which you won't be during Crota if you start with full ammo).
As for the Throne Cleaver, it looks like Duelist's Trance makes no difference as in your video at Kalli, you get off another heavy attack after 2 light attacks, regardless of having Duelist's Trance or not. Whether your sword energy is fully charged or not when you heavy attack makes no difference. Though I have no idea how many Lucent Blades you have on at that time.
Duelists trance is necessary for Throne Cleaver because on kali without it I didnt hit a full heavy worth of damage.
Bequest is still just as good if not better. You noted in your testing how much the heavy attack does for bequest but when you’re using that sword the right way you’re never going to use the heavy attack you’re going to be light attacking non stop the whole dps phase and in the time it takes you to get off 2 lights and a heavy attack with throne cleaver you could be hitting like 8+ light attacks with bequest at 90+k per hit if you have surrounded and your surges proc’d which results in more damage
solid option for sure, but not the best
but lament is still good because it keeps you alive (this is copium throne cleaver on top)
I already see a mistake with the calculations... You dont factor in the attacks being slower on Throne-cleaver. Or the fact that your Buffs are wearing off faster than you are doing dps. So if you take off the 25% well the 10% banner of war. That will leave throne-cleaver at around 4.3 mill dmg. Then factoring in the recover from each swing during the airtime throne cleaver will be left at 3.6mill dmg Leaving it behind any other sword out there.
Did you watch the video?
You need a kill to set this up?
One kill yes before hand at any time.
Don’t care, show true health bar damage
Yes but throne cleaver requires I get off hunter for the first time in 2000 hours.. not happenin bub.
Goldtusk then
If he’s wearing exotic arms it’s boosting sword game so cheating lol
To this day, not a single person has done more damage to crota than me. And I used Lament. Without a damage super. :/ its tough being a massive fucking PvE warlord such as myself..
😂
Lament still the best. 7M DPS and nn any lucent blade if you know how to do the combo so 3x resist mod + lament healing = you can stay alive when everyone die bc they using a shitty sword n can’t stay alive by them self more than 5 sec.
Lament still the best. 7M DPS and nn any lucent blade if you know how to do the combo so 3x resist mod + lament healing = you can stay alive when everyone die bc they using a shitty sword n can’t stay alive by them self more than 5 sec.
Imagine including survivability when comparing damage weapons.
7 million damage across how many phases? More than one? Oh ok
You forgot Goldtusk, lightweight frames have the highest base dps output of ANY sword. Makes this whole video a joke
No one cares