Hell I think even going back and covering all the current raids would be pretty cool but that could just be the Datto fan talking and it wouldn't actually get a lot of views
@@thecatthatgravityforgot8428yeah, I finally decided to tackle Garden of Salvation after all these years, and not only has the meta DRASTICALLY changed (it was linears everywhere, and Anarchy was still viable), but we've power crept it so hard that I've never seen a single team bother with rebuilding the platforms during the final boss fight (I've only got a few clears now, but the fight has been so easy, there's no reason to bother)
most of the time time the way lfg does things is the lazy, slow, and not at all optimal way of doing it. Atheon comes to mind where people go to the very back when it makes it hard to shoot the oracles and takes more time to walk to the portal. Having an understanding of the actual mechanic is much better than knowing a certain strat
@@mutantraze3681there’s times where you need to adapt if you fail a mechanic. But otherwise, the only knowledge necessary is the lfg strat, which should be easier, and more consistent then the “optimal”. Knowing the mechanics doesn’t help you in an lfg when you don’t know where to be and how to help. You would just be off on your own, even if you know the mechanics, you don’t know *how* to play the encounter.
I’ve always wondered why you never released an updated guide with meta strats after a few weeks of people spending time in the raid, this is really helpful
Strand or stasis or just blind and push off the cliff only need one person then. Uf you use strand you can just send 3 people over in the beginning kill gatekeeper and then dunk chalice. Rest of the team just rotates over when they have a sword or chalice. Its not needed but uts a quick fun way to do this encounter. Takes us about 10 minutes this way.
Love this style of vid, it'll make it so much easier for players who want to raid with LFG but aren't familiar with the common strategies! Please do this for more raids in the future, and maybe even some in the past!
This is exactly the kind of video that I was always hoping you’d post on the channel. Watching things like the guides for raids have always been helpful because they’ll tell you what you NEED to do, but I felt like I was missing on the HOW you should do it. Like, I’ll join an LFG that’s doing an encounter, and I’ll feel like I need to be explained it all over again when they’re telling me what the “meta” strategy is
OMG THANK YOU!!!!! I've been wanting this for so long. As many others have mentioned, this would be a godsend for older raids. I hate going into LFG and getting embarrassed because I don't know the "new" strats for things. Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!
In my team, Renewal grasps hunters helped the initial sword guys and helped the wells survive a bit longer, while also dealing a bit more damage due to shatter. Good if you have all the other roles like well tether/tractor and burning maul already set.
Helpful tip for Ir Yut: have a hunter use gryfalcon to scout where the wizards are. True sight with stylish executioner makes finding the wizard rooms very fast.
@@dtps_champion6016 Tether is still very useful for Ir Yut because she likes to move around a bunch tho if youre using a closer range strategy like Acrius, then Id agree
My abyss experience can be summed up to me trying to encourage people to stick together. 2 or 3 people listening, and the other people go far ahead with strand and then not having someone to take the buff. Eventually the people who run ahead get impatient, quit, rinse and repeat
@@trev7983 the problem is that there are a lot of new players who aren’t great with the holes in the ground and the swings. They get caught behind and time is wasted going back for them. By taking it slow and sticking together those problems don’t occur nearly as much
everyone wants to be momma's special child in the abyss. all it takes is six people moving together methodically. but no. you're always going to have at least two players that want to show off how difficult they can make an encounter.
Let those people go. The Abyss is so much easier when you actually have fewer people running in the pack and passing the Chalice. The key is just having one person Enlightened at a time. And then whoever stays in your small pack (3 would be preferable) just keep passing the Chalice back and forth before it fills up. If you exchange the Chalice before the meter fills up, you don’t get the debuff that prevents you from picking up again. So one Enlightened, two keep playing ping pong with it every 10 seconds, and just slowly make your way through. Enlighten when your time is down near 15 seconds, and then you have another 60 seconds extending your timer. Then in the time it takes for the debuff to go away, you should be encountering a Preservation. Your people who want to speedrun, let them go, despawn all the adds and go sit on the Preservation points so you have a better gauge.
@@erikburgundy1769 I agree with you. The context is important though. Your strategy works if you are lucky enough to have a fireteam with 3 people that are skilled enough to do that. My comment is more about fireteams with inexperienced people who can’t pull that off. I ran a raid with 4 players who haven’t run it before. There’s no shame in having a slow chill run if people are learning. Adapting to the needs of the fire team is important and a different approach works better in different scenarios
A good alternative to Burning Maul is anything that applies Sever to Crota. Titan strand melee, Hunter strand melee, or The Navigator are all great for this. Crota can still move around, but he won't kill people or break Wells nearly as often. It's not as efficient as Burning Maul at keeping him controlled, but it frees you up to do damage or reapply tractor.
For crota, something to squeeze out a little more damage (what I had to do for contest) is have heal grenades and 2 sword crota but in 2 different instances so the first sword can regain enlightened.
Dont ever read towers on the bottom floor, if there is only 1 Shrieker there it will always have an arrow pointing up, if you rush things or if you dont have much experience scouting you may just shrug it off as the Shrieker being on the top floor, but it still can be on the bottom of the tower, always read from above, if the arrow is up then the Shrieker is up, if the arrow is down then it is down.
I'm surprised how few people including Datto neglect the wishender strat. Literally LFG i've done (20 at this point) have used Wishender@@00Grimreaper00
@@00Grimreaper00 Sure but then you're giving up a part of your build. Invis hunter isn't as optimal for damage and wish ender means you can't use levi breath or any other exotic. Looking at the minimap is easy and gives you more build flexibility, I guess if you REALLY struggle with looking at an arrow then you can do this but idk it's not that hard
One thing to note that most people dont know is if you re-aply weakness from a different source while using tractor it will refresh weaken timer for the higher damage weaken source. This means if you throw the 15% smoke weaken at the end of tractors debuff it will just extend the duration of the 35% debuff tractor provides.
Thanks, this is actually a really good idea as metas shift and optimal strats change so much from contest mode 'basic guides'. Keep it up! An annual update to all raids (or ones after huge subclass/sandbox shifts) would be dope as well but that's more for DPS strats.
Thank you for posting this! I do most of my raiding with LFG groups and I hate joining without an understanding of current meta. I think my golden rule for LFG is to be a helpful, but if you can’t manage that then at least don’t be a burden. Videos like this really help that become a reality for more people.
I really like the new world drop sword with that Nadir Focus origin trait for the Abyss. It ramps up to near Eager Edge lunge after 3-4 swings and only goes away if you take too long between swings. That plus strand grapple is my favorite way to maneuver around.
One thing I can recommend for Crota is Heartshadow. It has had comparable damage to Lament and other swords in my groups. It's an acceptable replacement for Tractor Cannon because even though it is a lower debuff number, the total damage gain is good. The one downside is that it will completely run out of ammo after each damage phase, so having Cenotaph/Aeon is mandatory for it. Obviously it won't be as good on Master if the surges don't align. It's also a case of really having only one person using it.
If everyone is using swords on crota, you can use a bubble on him same as well. About the same issues as well where it can die, but seems to be a bit more durable.
Just joining the chorus of people saying that it's realy really valuable to have an updated guide with settled best practices and tips for master. More please and thank you!
100% what the other comments are saying. Getting an updated guide a while later with the expected strats / load outs is incredibly helpful when I'm trying to find a group to do my first few raids with.
On master ir yut, be careful of well placemnt during damage as the amount of ads that spawn in the crystal room, especially with the hard to kill ranged barrier knights, can easily break the well and cause a wipe. If you put the well close to one of the walls on the same balcony, you can reap the benefits of surrounded weapons and be safe from ads.
For first encounter send one guy to the last plate with grapple to despawn ads in the lower portions (you still need to completely traverse the encounter, there will just be no ads until the end).
How you open up the video is exactly why videos like this should exist. The initial raid guides people make aren't best strategies for the encounters, but more this is what worked for us during contest mode and generally could be improved upon once people get more runs in. Sooo, updated guides taking advantage of that superior knowledge would be great.
My experience with Master Ir Yut and Crota was a LOOOOT of straight up failing to have enough damage. With Solar Surge I really have to shout out a surrounded Briar's Contempt for Ir Yut though, put in a TON of damage (given Divinity). Was way better than Sleeper Simulant. Of course that's not going to work with other surge modifiers unfortunately. I'd also VERY STRONGLY suggest having a Stronghold Titan dedicated to baiting Crota on Master Crota, it was a huge game changer. When I was in a group without one the vast majority of deaths were due to Crota just focusing one person and near instantly deleting them, which straight up never happened when we had a stronghold Titan baiting Crota instead. One of my biggest complaints about Master Crota is honestly the Unstoppable Ogres being annoying as hell. Only having Fusion Rifles to deal with unstoppable champions is just miserable; particularly when I was playing on Warlock running Cenotaph meaning I'd have to run double special weapons to have any way at all to stun them, where the ammo economy was awful even with generating special from Cenotaph mark kills. The fact that once your sword bearers pick up their sword they have no access to their weapons, and thus no way to stun unstoppables, really made things incredibly annoying. Running Strand would be a huge help with access to suspend, except for all the nerfs to the suspend duration AND Warlocks at least being hard locked to running Well of Radiance. There's also some weirdness which I don't fully understand where 2 swords don't reliably take down Crota's shield on master when both attacking at once.
Sword. earers are missing their hits Have one swing and then the next sword bearer come in about a second or two behind the first. Crota has a chance to swing and knock the bearers away this way insures that he is more than likely making one sword bearer mess up there swing if they do. Its possible to one sword but its not worth the work or the buffs needed
Until we have to do the challenge dont do the challenge for Crota lmao. First swordbeaer gets sword, goes to hit Crota with Tractor Guy, Then second sword gets it and waits for damage call out and goes
These guides feel really valuable as a player who mainly sticks to my day one team for a while until I'm forced to lfg; it's always a new learning curve to hear what roles/callouts most teams use. For example, I've done 20 last wishes or something but got surprised the other day when an lfg team expected the readers to also run their symbols; our team had always just shared that responsibility
Highly reccomend Thunderlord for Ir Yut. Its not the highest damage but its a consistant 1 phase but also means with how super energy is gained these days you can get 2 supers per damage phase so for an arc titan like myself its a no brainer for 2 Tcrashes. Also Bequest will still outdamage other swords without surrounded due to its impact stat being higher than anything else in the game plus the surge mixes with 4th horseman. Any sword works though with Crota taking 15% more damage from swords and you can 2phase him with non godroll swords. For master crota Thin Precipice (crafted vortex frame from Deep) is a good pick too if you dont have good swords
It’s been pretty cool seeing my team’s day 1 strat for Crota catch on like this. The burning Maul stagger for the limited well comp being the play means we were doing it right. For final stand, highly recommend having a Warlock give Restoration x2 and a Titan on Phoenix Cradle allowing your team to extend Resto x2 for a major amount of time. It’s enough to survive Crota’s slams even while he’s not staggered.
10:31 Tip: Tractor Cannon's 30% debuff can be extended by stuff like smoke bombs, Echo of Undermining grenades, and Heartshadow, while retaining the 30% debuff.
That's true but unless you're quick swapping to Heartshadow and tanking your ammo why not use tractor to extend tractor? It's still your heavy and will typically out deeps your special..
Please do this for Exhibition/Vow of the Disciple... There are so many new things figured out about ways to not get Pervading Darkness and which Taken eyes to destroy that help so much
I was on my usual break from Destiny (about a season or two per year) when VoD came out, so I've just started running it this season and it would be great to have an updated guide since there have been so many changes (exotic armors/weapons and sandbox) since then. Old guides are full of outdated loadouts and probably strategies as well.
With the sword relic, there’s a few ways you can get more damage out of it. If you become radiant before picking up the sword, you get the 15% buff you don’t get otherwise. Also, the air heavy attack ignores light level for whatever reason, so it does nearly double the damage of the normal heavy attack on master. Do with this information as you will. On master, if the last person to pick up sword only gets it right before damage phase, they can proc radiant, then 2 people with a tractor can do some combos with heavy attacks, and it’ll make for a way more consistent 2 sword.
Another good idea for crota if you don’t have a lot of wells is to use strand Titan to sever him. You don’t even have to do the fancy dps rotation with synthos (although if you can it’s obviously good), just applying sever reduces Croats outgoing damage enough that each wells can survive a few more hits
Few tips: 1) one well warlock is fine, even on master crota. (My team only had one for our clear). Highly recommend running the stag and a few people on healing grenades for when/if the well is destroyed. 2) 1st encounter challenge is different and more forgiving than people say. It's "you can only enlighten lamps UP TO the number of pedestal preserves you have done". 3) highly recommend an aeons and/or cenotaph to make heaps of ammo 4) don't get hung up on the best dps sword/weapon. Any well rolled sword will do.
With the second encounter, you don't even need to worry about going back with the chalice across the bridge if someone dies with enlightened before they cross. The game will do a mercy spawn of a Swordbearer Knight (on the Gatekeeper side) if everyone with enlightened has killed a Gatekeeper and the chalice has been preserved. You just have to leave the person who died on the spawn side while the 5 other people completes the rest of the encounter without them. I don't know if it does this more than once but it definitely saved a lot of time.
one slight issue with this, is that you would probably need people on the plates on the far side the whole time until the encounter ends to make sure the bridge stays up. I had something happen where I took the chalice back to someone who had died, got enlightened, and then they took it back across to dunk it, but we didnt have any more gatekeepers to kill, so my team jumped off the plates and finished the encounter, and I got stuck on spawn side and had to wellskate across because the bridge wouldnt come back after the encounter ended.
on abyss, turn up the brightness on your tv/monitor if possible. It burns my eyes to be that bright normally but I stepped in fewer holes and I coud actually see the pendulums coming
Quick sidenote, hunters that arent comfortable with surrounded bequest can also run relentless strikes whirlwind blade goltusk with a fusion. Goldtusk for when hes in well, fusion for when hes out.
Thank you for making this, always good to see where the meta has settled for the raid. If you have a team full of decent players, it doesnt really matter, but I usually have only about half a team that is actually decent, and then the casuals that just cant get damage phases down. Always good to know how I can help us get a 2 phase with people that arent doing anything
Mid way through the video but pasuing at 8:03 to make this comment. Use disorientating grenade launchers during bridge encounter if you are the chalice holder. Swordbeaers and Gatekeepers can both be blinded as well as the boomer knight that spawns. It helps the Sword-Wielding Guardian stay alive and makes it easy for them to hit their target. Crowd Control supers, Stasis Warlock, Strand Titans/Hunters helps a ton here too.
In Abyss, I always find Arc subclass, especially on Titan with the dash, Trinity Ghoul and that new world drop sword instead of the riskier Eager Beaver Edge Cleaver
Just a heads up you do not need to accelerate the bridge at all doing 5 enlightenment. You can just pass the chalice around and by the time the bridge is built you will still be getting 1 or 2 more enlightened
Tip for person on oversoul duty: always keep your back to the oversoul. A few times I've been lost in the moment and some random fusion rifle bolts hit the oversoul and ended damage early.
One thing I heavily recommend for LFG groups at the bridge, I always play "waiter" with the chalice. I give it to (and take it from) each person so there's 0 confusion about who's enlightened and who isn't. Once I've given it to every single person, the bridge is built and I head over. Once people start coming over, I do the exact same thing and get people enlightened on the other side. It completely removes all running around and "who gets the chalice next" and "I'm about to die, take it!" "Oh no, I'm already enlightened! I can't take it!" People get a little confused when I tell them to stay the f on their plate, but once they realize I'm going to literally force feed them the chalice, they're pretty on board. Plus, the only voice they have to recognize when it comes to the chalice is my voice.
This, started this with my fireteam and it makes things so much easier. Plus I dont have to write the order of pickup in chat and can just calmy do the call outs since things dont really get hectic, people can focus on killing rather than be potentially distracted with text on screen
Abyss: If you have one guardian strand to the front of the bridge and add clear the whole time, the team walking through will not have to worry about adds.
Master Ir Yut: DO NOT KILL BOTH SHRIEKERS. Kill only one side. After a while wizards will spawn in the rooms even with one shrieker alive. This has the advantage of keeping the barrier around the crystal room, making survival far easier. Obviously this requires you to grab chalice from below at the start of the encounter. In the second phase you can use the cleared out side as a sort of safe room to swap the chalice around and enlightened players can leave to scout and enter their witches rooms. This strategy is so consistent that we clutched our clear a 3-phase with 5 enlightens after an almost 2 phase. Master Crota: Use 2 swords (does not apply for challenge I think). Keep one player on balcony who continiously shoots Crota's Head with a primary. This will get his attention and keep him harmless for most of the phase (balcony player can still randomly loose aggro). I would also recommend that this player is a Xenotaph Warlock with Shoot to Loot that can mark the unstopps and swordbearers for extra heavy. Additional Aoens finishers should still be used in order for the Xenotaph player to get their own heavy. With 2 swords you can also easily delay the unstopps and swordbearer spawn until oversoul player is enlightened. Keep only one boomer knight alive and only kill them after second sword player gets enlightened. This also leaves plenty of time to clutch a bad shield break with getting another sword.
what my team does for this raid is my buddy Chris (don't ask me how) will go up to the very top, and just do ad clear for the next 5 minutes while the rest of the team plays catch up, we don't have to deal with many ads, the knights don't spawn at all, and we're basically allowed to just walk through the whole thing for bridge, everyone gets enlightened, chalice and first sword cross, the others just do ad clear until there's 3 across, switch plates, and bring the other 3 across as the swords spawn, it's the most consistent and easiest Ir yut is just div and tether with retrofit escapades, 4 times target lock destroys her existence, finding rooms is either wish ender or just radar (as you showed) and Crota is a pushover, 4 people get enlightened, spawn and grab 3 swords, fourth person uses well, tractor cannon and riptide for oversoul, bequest and lament both destroy his health, so just blow through his health bar like it's non existant, riptide person 2 shots oversoul, 2 phase him this entire raid is stupid easy, don't make it too complicated
Linears are great for Ir Yut. My team always 1 phases. Also shooting oversoul right at the beginning of dps with a fusion and once at the last second is better than shooting it 2 times in succession. You can 1 shot with multiple weapon surges
I wish follow up guides like this were more common. Obviously guides close to release are super helpful but a month later the strats and callouts change. Would like to see these more often
Here's what we do for Abyss, Datto: 4 people use strand, hop up over the wall to the left with a grapple and go chill at the last plate. My buddy and I use strand and swords, and all we do is just put the chalice in all the preservations, no enlightening needed. Just strand around, do 4 preserves, then hit the last plate! Bonus points if the two runners are strand hunters, for the infinite silkstrike grapples! :>
Memes aside, I've been asking this question a lot. I feel like the way my group does it is just an amalgamation of various different day 1 guides. Haven't really been able to find out what LFGs normally do since the servers have been so unstable I haven't been able to play much.
8:20 you can run a strand titan with banner of war and aeon And be div guy and put a sword I was able to solo clear add there and making spical for div and havy for my team
What I like to do with my LFGs is run Tractor at Crota, but I also do 1st sword. Reason is 1) DPS doesn't start til you break shield, so hitting him will not cause any issues. 2) I use the ol D1 combo of Light Heavy Super Heavy. It deals about 3 quarters of sword damage. To me this just helps save time overall, and with triple arc resist modifiers on on NORMAL you can survive 2 Crota slams with 8 res (tested on my Hunter) Not saying this is game breaking or insane, but it works for me
I've found that Heavy Super Heavy Heavy tends to be less reliable than Heavy Super Light Heavy because Crota will sometimes send you away after the Heavy attack. Since the Light attack will push you forwards, you can negate this and still deal a solid 55% of his shield without tractor cannon in normal mode.
I haven't done any raiding yet, because I am F2P and only really started playing shortly before the end of last season, Season 21, after briefly playing my Titan in September 2020 during Beyond Light. I only have access to the 3 reprisal raids, and I am not quite properly geared for raiding yet. I haven't upgraded any Legendary armor, since I only have a few key Masterwork Titan Exotics that I run, and none of my Hunter and Warlock armor beyond making sure they all have a stat slot. I only finished TWQ campaign when it was available, though I gave up on Legendary at the Europa mission and didn't finish the Parasite quest or craft an Osteo Striga.
Side tip for if yut tower wizards. If you can’t distinct the arrow. Double dump. If you double jump you’ll reach the airborne height of the shrieker removing the arrow confirming the floor.
For Abyss I designate 4 people in a order that will take care of the chalice. It’s doable with 3,but sometimes you need that 4 for podium and extending the chain so first person recovers from drained. Bridge… I don’t trust my team to remain alive with enlightened ESPECIALLY in Masters. If Masters we send the chalice person with the first sword to help and they come back. 4 people in middle, first and two charge each other to cross, third person juggles the chalice with the fourth until they’re Knight spawn. As soon as 3 crosses,remaining people go to high ground, 4 and 5 juggle the chalice until knight spawn. 4 crosses and 5-6 juggle until knight spawn and crosses together. For Crota my team runs at most 2 wells and a minimum of 1 Burning Maul+ Phoenix Craddle Titan. Nothing Revolutionary, it’s just what I found works best for my group.
Something my team discovered on day 1 was to use Brair's Contempt (RoN linear fusion) with enhanced surrounded and enhanced envious assassin on Ir Yut. One person runs Divinity and another runs tether, aside from that just stack dps and you can one phase her with your eyes shut.
Having one player jump all the way to the end of the abyss will remove the ads for the players that are working through lamps. So, if your group can manage with 5 people juggling chalice, this is normally my go to strat.
For Ir Yut Master, take out the shriekers and chill upstairs on the balcony for DPS. Adds just keep spawning so no point in clearing them. A few add clear supers for 2nd phase, grab chalice and swap again upstairs
On 2nd encounter its quicker to get everyone to enlighten plate until its built then pass around buff to everyone, very simple change to speed things up
The other thing about Bequest is that for some reason, it has 10 more Impact than other Adaptive frame swords. So even without Surrounded, it does more damage than most swords already. Surrounded is another big (35%) damage boost, but even without it you'll be doing a lot of damage. I'd say it's worth a DSC run or two to get a decent Bequest.
On matser wishender i feel like is utter garbage. Much rather have the auto rifle anti barrier for both add clear purpoises and get rid of anti barrier. Just go scout and use the radar? I have never died while scounting and neither has a few of my clan when they do it. Plus you can aggro some of the adds to you and use the debris on the bridge to hide behind to give your fireteam a little respite
Wishender isn't supposed to be for ad clear it's purely for scouting in this case. Why the need for anti barrier when you can just skip the middle part where you kill the shreikers lol? Doing the middle part for Master is just unnecessary work when you don't have to do it. You can even just have a 2nd loadout you switch to once ur done scouting with Wishender.@@sboy9700
Additional tip for bridge: Have the three on first side hold the plate/totems until side 2 gets on. Skips having to rebuild the bridge and maintains flow and pace of an already slow encounter.
Yeah, we did this on contest and yet even now on normal guys are abandoning the plates before the other side take theirs. Don't get it.. just drags it out
Is this seriously not obvious to everyone? This is how it went in D1 too; three people hold plates on the first side, get three people across, have the other side hold their plates, then the first side hops off theirs.
6:55 and yet somehow my friend has accidentally taken out Crota's shield in one sword like three times now lol (catching us all by surprise every time)
Titans with the Stronghold exotics gonna experience a much different difficulty on Master Crota when they opt in for a sword strategy because those gauntlets will make you so stupidly tanky , even on master mode , that Crota could hit you directly and you walk away with nothing but a scratch on the paint of your armor just because you blocked with your sword. Very helpful if you need to have Crota move away from an inconvenient position for instance or want him somewhere specific for Surrounded based builds. But its also pretty good in general for simply being near indestructable. ACD feedbacks is also pretty nice for dealing with all these melee based enemies. Being able to jolt targets everywhere and take reduced melee damage when like 80% of everthing is trying to slash and claw at you turned out to be a pretty strong setup in my experience.
the master crota fight kicked my ass all weekend; It took forever to finally kill him. One small thing would go wrong during a damage phase that would kill the entire run
What I learned during the Abyss is 1) TAKE YOUR TIME!! 2) Always keep an eye on the wipe timer. When it dips below 30 seconds, 25 seconds maximum, make your preparations for a lantern respite or a Chalice deposit. Better to refresh the timer too early than too late.
If everyone just took their time in the abyss and actually paid attention to whether or not they can grab the chalice, LFG would be a better place. Too many people don't respect the new changes of the encounter and think you can just rush it. Bad idea in LFG
Killing the boomers on Crota doesn’t just spawn ogres and the sword bearer, but all the other adds as well. If you leave one alive and kill everything else it can give you a lot more breathing room and make it easier to pass the chalice around. You’ll be on more of a time crunch but it’s useful on master if you have people that are struggling to stay alive
I like using Lament and Stronghold on my Titan to keep Crota shooting at me while everybody else gets a Crota-Free experience to prep to damage him. It works perfectly with Burning Maul.
Please do this for every raid , showing the best or how most teams will expect you to it, is really helpful
100% this. Guides put out hours after a raid launch can almost become irrelevant once the community has been in the raid for a few weeks
Hell I think even going back and covering all the current raids would be pretty cool but that could just be the Datto fan talking and it wouldn't actually get a lot of views
@@thecatthatgravityforgot8428yeah, I finally decided to tackle Garden of Salvation after all these years, and not only has the meta DRASTICALLY changed (it was linears everywhere, and Anarchy was still viable), but we've power crept it so hard that I've never seen a single team bother with rebuilding the platforms during the final boss fight (I've only got a few clears now, but the fight has been so easy, there's no reason to bother)
most of the time time the way lfg does things is the lazy, slow, and not at all optimal way of doing it. Atheon comes to mind where people go to the very back when it makes it hard to shoot the oracles and takes more time to walk to the portal. Having an understanding of the actual mechanic is much better than knowing a certain strat
@@mutantraze3681there’s times where you need to adapt if you fail a mechanic. But otherwise, the only knowledge necessary is the lfg strat, which should be easier, and more consistent then the “optimal”.
Knowing the mechanics doesn’t help you in an lfg when you don’t know where to be and how to help. You would just be off on your own, even if you know the mechanics, you don’t know *how* to play the encounter.
I’ve always wondered why you never released an updated guide with meta strats after a few weeks of people spending time in the raid, this is really helpful
Yeah this is a really good idea Datto
For the bridge encounter, have chalice use a blinding GL. The sword bearer won’t do shit.
Yeah that’s a great strat. Can also use tractor cannon as well.
I like tractor just cause it can also help deal with the Champs as well.
Strand or stasis or just blind and push off the cliff only need one person then. Uf you use strand you can just send 3 people over in the beginning kill gatekeeper and then dunk chalice. Rest of the team just rotates over when they have a sword or chalice. Its not needed but uts a quick fun way to do this encounter. Takes us about 10 minutes this way.
Smoke bomb, tractor, sever, freeze... literally anything that can stop him prom attacking your swordbearer
@@thejamemes6758yeah there are MANY options.
This is a great series for all the raids. The day one guides vs. a couple weeks live in the community there are always big differences.
Love this style of vid, it'll make it so much easier for players who want to raid with LFG but aren't familiar with the common strategies! Please do this for more raids in the future, and maybe even some in the past!
This is exactly the kind of video that I was always hoping you’d post on the channel. Watching things like the guides for raids have always been helpful because they’ll tell you what you NEED to do, but I felt like I was missing on the HOW you should do it. Like, I’ll join an LFG that’s doing an encounter, and I’ll feel like I need to be explained it all over again when they’re telling me what the “meta” strategy is
OMG THANK YOU!!!!! I've been wanting this for so long. As many others have mentioned, this would be a godsend for older raids. I hate going into LFG and getting embarrassed because I don't know the "new" strats for things. Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!
In my team, Renewal grasps hunters helped the initial sword guys and helped the wells survive a bit longer, while also dealing a bit more damage due to shatter. Good if you have all the other roles like well tether/tractor and burning maul already set.
As always loving the chill and straight-up energy, works really nicely here. Would like to see these in the future for Raids/Dungeons!
If you're running the burning maul/cannon titan, use Phoenix Cradle, it'll heal your allies too
Helpful tip for Ir Yut: have a hunter use gryfalcon to scout where the wizards are. True sight with stylish executioner makes finding the wizard rooms very fast.
Or use a wish ender so you can use a useful super
@@dtps_champion6016 tether is useful
@@dtps_champion6016 Tether is still very useful for Ir Yut because she likes to move around a bunch tho if youre using a closer range strategy like Acrius, then Id agree
Or just use the radar, all these weird strats that are worse than just reading the radar
@@APEXDREDGEN worse? True sight on stylish executioner or wish ender literally let’s you see the wizard from across the room.
My abyss experience can be summed up to me trying to encourage people to stick together. 2 or 3 people listening, and the other people go far ahead with strand and then not having someone to take the buff. Eventually the people who run ahead get impatient, quit, rinse and repeat
To be fair to them you could all just go fast and still stick together
@@trev7983 the problem is that there are a lot of new players who aren’t great with the holes in the ground and the swings. They get caught behind and time is wasted going back for them. By taking it slow and sticking together those problems don’t occur nearly as much
everyone wants to be momma's special child in the abyss.
all it takes is six people moving together methodically. but no. you're always going to have at least two players that want to show off how difficult they can make an encounter.
Let those people go. The Abyss is so much easier when you actually have fewer people running in the pack and passing the Chalice. The key is just having one person Enlightened at a time. And then whoever stays in your small pack (3 would be preferable) just keep passing the Chalice back and forth before it fills up. If you exchange the Chalice before the meter fills up, you don’t get the debuff that prevents you from picking up again.
So one Enlightened, two keep playing ping pong with it every 10 seconds, and just slowly make your way through. Enlighten when your time is down near 15 seconds, and then you have another 60 seconds extending your timer. Then in the time it takes for the debuff to go away, you should be encountering a Preservation.
Your people who want to speedrun, let them go, despawn all the adds and go sit on the Preservation points so you have a better gauge.
@@erikburgundy1769 I agree with you. The context is important though. Your strategy works if you are lucky enough to have a fireteam with 3 people that are skilled enough to do that. My comment is more about fireteams with inexperienced people who can’t pull that off. I ran a raid with 4 players who haven’t run it before. There’s no shame in having a slow chill run if people are learning. Adapting to the needs of the fire team is important and a different approach works better in different scenarios
A good alternative to Burning Maul is anything that applies Sever to Crota. Titan strand melee, Hunter strand melee, or The Navigator are all great for this. Crota can still move around, but he won't kill people or break Wells nearly as often. It's not as efficient as Burning Maul at keeping him controlled, but it frees you up to do damage or reapply tractor.
For crota, something to squeeze out a little more damage (what I had to do for contest) is have heal grenades and 2 sword crota but in 2 different instances so the first sword can regain enlightened.
Dont ever read towers on the bottom floor, if there is only 1 Shrieker there it will always have an arrow pointing up, if you rush things or if you dont have much experience scouting you may just shrug it off as the Shrieker being on the top floor, but it still can be on the bottom of the tower, always read from above, if the arrow is up then the Shrieker is up, if the arrow is down then it is down.
Or to make it easier either use invis true sight hunter or wish ender to see through walls
I'm surprised how few people including Datto neglect the wishender strat. Literally LFG i've done (20 at this point) have used Wishender@@00Grimreaper00
@@00Grimreaper00 Sure but then you're giving up a part of your build. Invis hunter isn't as optimal for damage and wish ender means you can't use levi breath or any other exotic. Looking at the minimap is easy and gives you more build flexibility, I guess if you REALLY struggle with looking at an arrow then you can do this but idk it's not that hard
One thing to note that most people dont know is if you re-aply weakness from a different source while using tractor it will refresh weaken timer for the higher damage weaken source. This means if you throw the 15% smoke weaken at the end of tractors debuff it will just extend the duration of the 35% debuff tractor provides.
The people that are on lfg that are doing it cannot comprehend lamps 🤣
Or holes or swinging balls all they know is eager edge and being impatient
Real
GUYS CAN WE JUST DO A SPEEDRUN TECHNIQUE I SAW ON RUclips TODAY I KNOW THIS IS MY FIRST ATTEMPT AT THE RAID BUT I SWEAR I CAN TEACH YOU IT
Someone who understands
Haven't had any big problems with lamps myself, even after 12 sherpas, but maybe I just got lucky idk
Great breakdown. To the point with no filler. Great for someone like myself who just wanted to be informed regarding what the strats ended up being.
Thanks, this is actually a really good idea as metas shift and optimal strats change so much from contest mode 'basic guides'. Keep it up!
An annual update to all raids (or ones after huge subclass/sandbox shifts) would be dope as well but that's more for DPS strats.
Thank you for posting this! I do most of my raiding with LFG groups and I hate joining without an understanding of current meta. I think my golden rule for LFG is to be a helpful, but if you can’t manage that then at least don’t be a burden. Videos like this really help that become a reality for more people.
I really like the new world drop sword with that Nadir Focus origin trait for the Abyss. It ramps up to near Eager Edge lunge after 3-4 swings and only goes away if you take too long between swings. That plus strand grapple is my favorite way to maneuver around.
This is excellent. Thank you for making an updated guide, these are really helpful for my raid team and I.
One thing I can recommend for Crota is Heartshadow.
It has had comparable damage to Lament and other swords in my groups.
It's an acceptable replacement for Tractor Cannon because even though it is a lower debuff number, the total damage gain is good.
The one downside is that it will completely run out of ammo after each damage phase, so having Cenotaph/Aeon is mandatory for it.
Obviously it won't be as good on Master if the surges don't align.
It's also a case of really having only one person using it.
If everyone is using swords on crota, you can use a bubble on him same as well. About the same issues as well where it can die, but seems to be a bit more durable.
Never mind that, the important thing is that the buff lingers for 15 seconds after you leave the bubble/it gets destroyed
Just joining the chorus of people saying that it's realy really valuable to have an updated guide with settled best practices and tips for master. More please and thank you!
100% what the other comments are saying. Getting an updated guide a while later with the expected strats / load outs is incredibly helpful when I'm trying to find a group to do my first few raids with.
On master ir yut, be careful of well placemnt during damage as the amount of ads that spawn in the crystal room, especially with the hard to kill ranged barrier knights, can easily break the well and cause a wipe. If you put the well close to one of the walls on the same balcony, you can reap the benefits of surrounded weapons and be safe from ads.
This is an amazing follow up video Datto! Love it. Thank you :)
update very much appreciated. i always like getting new information (although i'm way too bad to ever attempt raids)
For first encounter send one guy to the last plate with grapple to despawn ads in the lower portions (you still need to completely traverse the encounter, there will just be no ads until the end).
How you open up the video is exactly why videos like this should exist.
The initial raid guides people make aren't best strategies for the encounters, but more this is what worked for us during contest mode and generally could be improved upon once people get more runs in.
Sooo, updated guides taking advantage of that superior knowledge would be great.
Phoenix cradles are good for solar titan too, you can heal your teammates with sunspots if you have no well
My experience with Master Ir Yut and Crota was a LOOOOT of straight up failing to have enough damage. With Solar Surge I really have to shout out a surrounded Briar's Contempt for Ir Yut though, put in a TON of damage (given Divinity). Was way better than Sleeper Simulant. Of course that's not going to work with other surge modifiers unfortunately.
I'd also VERY STRONGLY suggest having a Stronghold Titan dedicated to baiting Crota on Master Crota, it was a huge game changer. When I was in a group without one the vast majority of deaths were due to Crota just focusing one person and near instantly deleting them, which straight up never happened when we had a stronghold Titan baiting Crota instead.
One of my biggest complaints about Master Crota is honestly the Unstoppable Ogres being annoying as hell. Only having Fusion Rifles to deal with unstoppable champions is just miserable; particularly when I was playing on Warlock running Cenotaph meaning I'd have to run double special weapons to have any way at all to stun them, where the ammo economy was awful even with generating special from Cenotaph mark kills. The fact that once your sword bearers pick up their sword they have no access to their weapons, and thus no way to stun unstoppables, really made things incredibly annoying. Running Strand would be a huge help with access to suspend, except for all the nerfs to the suspend duration AND Warlocks at least being hard locked to running Well of Radiance.
There's also some weirdness which I don't fully understand where 2 swords don't reliably take down Crota's shield on master when both attacking at once.
Sword. earers are missing their hits
Have one swing and then the next sword bearer come in about a second or two behind the first. Crota has a chance to swing and knock the bearers away this way insures that he is more than likely making one sword bearer mess up there swing if they do. Its possible to one sword but its not worth the work or the buffs needed
Unstoppable Scout rifle
Until we have to do the challenge dont do the challenge for Crota lmao.
First swordbeaer gets sword, goes to hit Crota with Tractor Guy, Then second sword gets it and waits for damage call out and goes
These guides feel really valuable as a player who mainly sticks to my day one team for a while until I'm forced to lfg; it's always a new learning curve to hear what roles/callouts most teams use.
For example, I've done 20 last wishes or something but got surprised the other day when an lfg team expected the readers to also run their symbols; our team had always just shared that responsibility
Highly reccomend Thunderlord for Ir Yut. Its not the highest damage but its a consistant 1 phase but also means with how super energy is gained these days you can get 2 supers per damage phase so for an arc titan like myself its a no brainer for 2 Tcrashes. Also Bequest will still outdamage other swords without surrounded due to its impact stat being higher than anything else in the game plus the surge mixes with 4th horseman. Any sword works though with Crota taking 15% more damage from swords and you can 2phase him with non godroll swords. For master crota Thin Precipice (crafted vortex frame from Deep) is a good pick too if you dont have good swords
It’s been pretty cool seeing my team’s day 1 strat for Crota catch on like this. The burning Maul stagger for the limited well comp being the play means we were doing it right.
For final stand, highly recommend having a Warlock give Restoration x2 and a Titan on Phoenix Cradle allowing your team to extend Resto x2 for a major amount of time. It’s enough to survive Crota’s slams even while he’s not staggered.
10:31 Tip: Tractor Cannon's 30% debuff can be extended by stuff like smoke bombs, Echo of Undermining grenades, and Heartshadow, while retaining the 30% debuff.
That's true but unless you're quick swapping to Heartshadow and tanking your ammo why not use tractor to extend tractor? It's still your heavy and will typically out deeps your special..
Please do this for Exhibition/Vow of the Disciple... There are so many new things figured out about ways to not get Pervading Darkness and which Taken eyes to destroy that help so much
I was on my usual break from Destiny (about a season or two per year) when VoD came out, so I've just started running it this season and it would be great to have an updated guide since there have been so many changes (exotic armors/weapons and sandbox) since then. Old guides are full of outdated loadouts and probably strategies as well.
I’ve been looking for something like this for a while. Thanks Datto
This an amazing video! Updates on strats are very welcome
Oh, this is awesome. Follow up guides for best and nuts strats for every raid.
I’d recommend a blinding GL for the master bridge if you don’t want to use tractor. It helps with add control in the early stages .
It’s nice to know this video was releasing today by trvs stream :)
With the sword relic, there’s a few ways you can get more damage out of it. If you become radiant before picking up the sword, you get the 15% buff you don’t get otherwise. Also, the air heavy attack ignores light level for whatever reason, so it does nearly double the damage of the normal heavy attack on master. Do with this information as you will. On master, if the last person to pick up sword only gets it right before damage phase, they can proc radiant, then 2 people with a tractor can do some combos with heavy attacks, and it’ll make for a way more consistent 2 sword.
Another good idea for crota if you don’t have a lot of wells is to use strand Titan to sever him. You don’t even have to do the fancy dps rotation with synthos (although if you can it’s obviously good), just applying sever reduces Croats outgoing damage enough that each wells can survive a few more hits
Sever titan and stasis hunter with renewal grasps would work pretty well for reducing his damage
My team ended up getting a 3 phase on Ir-yut Day 1 with thunderlord + Div. It's still a pretty comfortable 2 phase on normal with div.
Few tips:
1) one well warlock is fine, even on master crota. (My team only had one for our clear). Highly recommend running the stag and a few people on healing grenades for when/if the well is destroyed.
2) 1st encounter challenge is different and more forgiving than people say. It's "you can only enlighten lamps UP TO the number of pedestal preserves you have done".
3) highly recommend an aeons and/or cenotaph to make heaps of ammo
4) don't get hung up on the best dps sword/weapon. Any well rolled sword will do.
With the second encounter, you don't even need to worry about going back with the chalice across the bridge if someone dies with enlightened before they cross. The game will do a mercy spawn of a Swordbearer Knight (on the Gatekeeper side) if everyone with enlightened has killed a Gatekeeper and the chalice has been preserved. You just have to leave the person who died on the spawn side while the 5 other people completes the rest of the encounter without them. I don't know if it does this more than once but it definitely saved a lot of time.
one slight issue with this, is that you would probably need people on the plates on the far side the whole time until the encounter ends to make sure the bridge stays up. I had something happen where I took the chalice back to someone who had died, got enlightened, and then they took it back across to dunk it, but we didnt have any more gatekeepers to kill, so my team jumped off the plates and finished the encounter, and I got stuck on spawn side and had to wellskate across because the bridge wouldnt come back after the encounter ended.
Great video! For players who missed a bunch like I did, It would be awesome to get similar videos for the older raids as well
on abyss, turn up the brightness on your tv/monitor if possible. It burns my eyes to be that bright normally but I stepped in fewer holes and I coud actually see the pendulums coming
Quick sidenote, hunters that arent comfortable with surrounded bequest can also run relentless strikes whirlwind blade goltusk with a fusion. Goldtusk for when hes in well, fusion for when hes out.
Question ?! In D1 We used to used Titan with Bubbles & Swords, Why is this not an option / Alternative to wells anymore ?!
It's still an option actually just any none sword using teammates may get screwed
Thank you for making this, always good to see where the meta has settled for the raid.
If you have a team full of decent players, it doesnt really matter, but I usually have only about half a team that is actually decent, and then the casuals that just cant get damage phases down. Always good to know how I can help us get a 2 phase with people that arent doing anything
When you have a titan stun locking with burning maul, someone on void can extend the tractor cannon weaken with an undermining grenade.
Mid way through the video but pasuing at 8:03 to make this comment.
Use disorientating grenade launchers during bridge encounter if you are the chalice holder. Swordbeaers and Gatekeepers can both be blinded as well as the boomer knight that spawns. It helps the Sword-Wielding Guardian stay alive and makes it easy for them to hit their target.
Crowd Control supers, Stasis Warlock, Strand Titans/Hunters helps a ton here too.
In Abyss, I always find Arc subclass, especially on Titan with the dash, Trinity Ghoul and that new world drop sword instead of the riskier Eager Beaver Edge Cleaver
Just a heads up you do not need to accelerate the bridge at all doing 5 enlightenment. You can just pass the chalice around and by the time the bridge is built you will still be getting 1 or 2 more enlightened
I raid much later after the initial release. These refined guides are the best.
Tip for person on oversoul duty: always keep your back to the oversoul. A few times I've been lost in the moment and some random fusion rifle bolts hit the oversoul and ended damage early.
One thing I heavily recommend for LFG groups at the bridge, I always play "waiter" with the chalice. I give it to (and take it from) each person so there's 0 confusion about who's enlightened and who isn't. Once I've given it to every single person, the bridge is built and I head over. Once people start coming over, I do the exact same thing and get people enlightened on the other side.
It completely removes all running around and "who gets the chalice next" and "I'm about to die, take it!" "Oh no, I'm already enlightened! I can't take it!"
People get a little confused when I tell them to stay the f on their plate, but once they realize I'm going to literally force feed them the chalice, they're pretty on board. Plus, the only voice they have to recognize when it comes to the chalice is my voice.
This, started this with my fireteam and it makes things so much easier. Plus I dont have to write the order of pickup in chat and can just calmy do the call outs since things dont really get hectic, people can focus on killing rather than be potentially distracted with text on screen
Abyss: If you have one guardian strand to the front of the bridge and add clear the whole time, the team walking through will not have to worry about adds.
Master Ir Yut: DO NOT KILL BOTH SHRIEKERS. Kill only one side. After a while wizards will spawn in the rooms even with one shrieker alive. This has the advantage of keeping the barrier around the crystal room, making survival far easier. Obviously this requires you to grab chalice from below at the start of the encounter.
In the second phase you can use the cleared out side as a sort of safe room to swap the chalice around and enlightened players can leave to scout and enter their witches rooms. This strategy is so consistent that we clutched our clear a 3-phase with 5 enlightens after an almost 2 phase.
Master Crota: Use 2 swords (does not apply for challenge I think). Keep one player on balcony who continiously shoots Crota's Head with a primary. This will get his attention and keep him harmless for most of the phase (balcony player can still randomly loose aggro). I would also recommend that this player is a Xenotaph Warlock with Shoot to Loot that can mark the unstopps and swordbearers for extra heavy. Additional Aoens finishers should still be used in order for the Xenotaph player to get their own heavy.
With 2 swords you can also easily delay the unstopps and swordbearer spawn until oversoul player is enlightened. Keep only one boomer knight alive and only kill them after second sword player gets enlightened. This also leaves plenty of time to clutch a bad shield break with getting another sword.
Briar's Sin with Surrounded if perfect for Ir Yut. It's a relaxed one phase every time.
there is no such thing as Briars Sin in the game :)
@@jeremeskornicka3054 the root of nightmares linear. It's briars something lol. Regret? Something like that lol
@@MrNuclearz it's Briar's Contempt, but I was just clownin'
what my team does for this raid is my buddy Chris (don't ask me how) will go up to the very top, and just do ad clear for the next 5 minutes while the rest of the team plays catch up, we don't have to deal with many ads, the knights don't spawn at all, and we're basically allowed to just walk through the whole thing
for bridge, everyone gets enlightened, chalice and first sword cross, the others just do ad clear until there's 3 across, switch plates, and bring the other 3 across as the swords spawn, it's the most consistent and easiest
Ir yut is just div and tether with retrofit escapades, 4 times target lock destroys her existence, finding rooms is either wish ender or just radar (as you showed)
and Crota is a pushover, 4 people get enlightened, spawn and grab 3 swords, fourth person uses well, tractor cannon and riptide for oversoul, bequest and lament both destroy his health, so just blow through his health bar like it's non existant, riptide person 2 shots oversoul, 2 phase him
this entire raid is stupid easy, don't make it too complicated
Very good video❤a good idea to make a community conclusion that shows various ways to handle content so that people can find their own preference
Linears are great for Ir Yut. My team always 1 phases. Also shooting oversoul right at the beginning of dps with a fusion and once at the last second is better than shooting it 2 times in succession. You can 1 shot with multiple weapon surges
I wish follow up guides like this were more common. Obviously guides close to release are super helpful but a month later the strats and callouts change. Would like to see these more often
Here's what we do for Abyss, Datto:
4 people use strand, hop up over the wall to the left with a grapple and go chill at the last plate.
My buddy and I use strand and swords, and all we do is just put the chalice in all the preservations, no enlightening needed. Just strand around, do 4 preserves, then hit the last plate! Bonus points if the two runners are strand hunters, for the infinite silkstrike grapples! :>
*hasn’t played game in 2 weeks, has no intention of running it this week* Ahh yes, more Datto
That burning maul tip is gonna singlehandedly make running LFG bearable thank you
Datto
This is BANGER content right here man
Phoenix cradle titan has come in clutch for me on master crota, it's not quite well but it also doesn't get popped during final stand.
Good content - it's frustrating looking up day 1 contest mode strats for 2-3 years when things evolve.
Memes aside, I've been asking this question a lot. I feel like the way my group does it is just an amalgamation of various different day 1 guides. Haven't really been able to find out what LFGs normally do since the servers have been so unstable I haven't been able to play much.
8:20 you can run a strand titan with banner of war and aeon
And be div guy and put a sword
I was able to solo clear add there and making spical for div and havy for my team
What I like to do with my LFGs is run Tractor at Crota, but I also do 1st sword. Reason is 1) DPS doesn't start til you break shield, so hitting him will not cause any issues. 2) I use the ol D1 combo of Light Heavy Super Heavy. It deals about 3 quarters of sword damage.
To me this just helps save time overall, and with triple arc resist modifiers on on NORMAL you can survive 2 Crota slams with 8 res (tested on my Hunter)
Not saying this is game breaking or insane, but it works for me
I've found that Heavy Super Heavy Heavy tends to be less reliable than Heavy Super Light Heavy because Crota will sometimes send you away after the Heavy attack. Since the Light attack will push you forwards, you can negate this and still deal a solid 55% of his shield without tractor cannon in normal mode.
I haven't done any raiding yet, because I am F2P and only really started playing shortly before the end of last season, Season 21, after briefly playing my Titan in September 2020 during Beyond Light. I only have access to the 3 reprisal raids, and I am not quite properly geared for raiding yet. I haven't upgraded any Legendary armor, since I only have a few key Masterwork Titan Exotics that I run, and none of my Hunter and Warlock armor beyond making sure they all have a stat slot. I only finished TWQ campaign when it was available, though I gave up on Legendary at the Europa mission and didn't finish the Parasite quest or craft an Osteo Striga.
Hunters can do a shit ton of damage on ir yut with the foetracer build and thunderlord
Side tip for if yut tower wizards. If you can’t distinct the arrow. Double dump. If you double jump you’ll reach the airborne height of the shrieker removing the arrow confirming the floor.
For Abyss I designate 4 people in a order that will take care of the chalice.
It’s doable with 3,but sometimes you need that 4 for podium and extending the chain so first person recovers from drained.
Bridge… I don’t trust my team to remain alive with enlightened ESPECIALLY in Masters.
If Masters we send the chalice person with the first sword to help and they come back.
4 people in middle, first and two charge each other to cross, third person juggles the chalice with the fourth until they’re Knight spawn.
As soon as 3 crosses,remaining people go to high ground, 4 and 5 juggle the chalice until knight spawn.
4 crosses and 5-6 juggle until knight spawn and crosses together.
For Crota my team runs at most 2 wells and a minimum of 1 Burning Maul+ Phoenix Craddle Titan.
Nothing Revolutionary, it’s just what I found works best for my group.
Something my team discovered on day 1 was to use Brair's Contempt (RoN linear fusion) with enhanced surrounded and enhanced envious assassin on Ir Yut. One person runs Divinity and another runs tether, aside from that just stack dps and you can one phase her with your eyes shut.
ill need to see a clip of a one phase on contest
There's a crazy tractor swap to heartshadow combo that does well if you nail it apparently
Having one player jump all the way to the end of the abyss will remove the ads for the players that are working through lamps. So, if your group can manage with 5 people juggling chalice, this is normally my go to strat.
For Ir Yut Master, take out the shriekers and chill upstairs on the balcony for DPS. Adds just keep spawning so no point in clearing them. A few add clear supers for 2nd phase, grab chalice and swap again upstairs
We just chained a couple of Wells in the corridor.. so many ads there was always more Wells and all the ammo in the world
On 2nd encounter its quicker to get everyone to enlighten plate until its built then pass around buff to everyone, very simple change to speed things up
The other thing about Bequest is that for some reason, it has 10 more Impact than other Adaptive frame swords. So even without Surrounded, it does more damage than most swords already. Surrounded is another big (35%) damage boost, but even without it you'll be doing a lot of damage. I'd say it's worth a DSC run or two to get a decent Bequest.
Craftable Caretaker
when he paused the footage the first time i thought my computer was about to crash
5:00 every single LFG i've had designates a scout to use Wishender to spot the wizards.
On matser wishender i feel like is utter garbage. Much rather have the auto rifle anti barrier for both add clear purpoises and get rid of anti barrier. Just go scout and use the radar? I have never died while scounting and neither has a few of my clan when they do it. Plus you can aggro some of the adds to you and use the debris on the bridge to hide behind to give your fireteam a little respite
Wishender isn't supposed to be for ad clear it's purely for scouting in this case. Why the need for anti barrier when you can just skip the middle part where you kill the shreikers lol? Doing the middle part for Master is just unnecessary work when you don't have to do it. You can even just have a 2nd loadout you switch to once ur done scouting with Wishender.@@sboy9700
Additional tip for bridge: Have the three on first side hold the plate/totems until side 2 gets on. Skips having to rebuild the bridge and maintains flow and pace of an already slow encounter.
Yeah, we did this on contest and yet even now on normal guys are abandoning the plates before the other side take theirs. Don't get it.. just drags it out
Is this seriously not obvious to everyone? This is how it went in D1 too; three people hold plates on the first side, get three people across, have the other side hold their plates, then the first side hops off theirs.
@@EnigmacTheFirst you’d be surprised at the sheer incompetence of most lfg’s
Stronghold Titan taking the aggro of Crota on Master is immensely helpful.
I am grateful for the helpful tips, thanks datto.
6:55 and yet somehow my friend has accidentally taken out Crota's shield in one sword like three times now lol (catching us all by surprise every time)
Titans with the Stronghold exotics gonna experience a much different difficulty on Master Crota when they opt in for a sword strategy because those gauntlets will make you so stupidly tanky , even on master mode , that Crota could hit you directly and you walk away with nothing but a scratch on the paint of your armor just because you blocked with your sword.
Very helpful if you need to have Crota move away from an inconvenient position for instance or want him somewhere specific for Surrounded based builds. But its also pretty good in general for simply being near indestructable.
ACD feedbacks is also pretty nice for dealing with all these melee based enemies. Being able to jolt targets everywhere and take reduced melee damage when like 80% of everthing is trying to slash and claw at you turned out to be a pretty strong setup in my experience.
the master crota fight kicked my ass all weekend; It took forever to finally kill him. One small thing would go wrong during a damage phase that would kill the entire run
What I learned during the Abyss is
1) TAKE YOUR TIME!!
2) Always keep an eye on the wipe timer. When it dips below 30 seconds, 25 seconds maximum, make your preparations for a lantern respite or a Chalice deposit. Better to refresh the timer too early than too late.
If everyone just took their time in the abyss and actually paid attention to whether or not they can grab the chalice, LFG would be a better place. Too many people don't respect the new changes of the encounter and think you can just rush it. Bad idea in LFG
Please do this for every raid. Your first video is often good for set teams trying to beat contest, but for random LFGs it only does half the job
Killing the boomers on Crota doesn’t just spawn ogres and the sword bearer, but all the other adds as well. If you leave one alive and kill everything else it can give you a lot more breathing room and make it easier to pass the chalice around. You’ll be on more of a time crunch but it’s useful on master if you have people that are struggling to stay alive
^This
I agree with everyone here. Datto please do this more in the future.
I like using Lament and Stronghold on my Titan to keep Crota shooting at me while everybody else gets a Crota-Free experience to prep to damage him. It works perfectly with Burning Maul.