*She's not wrong and she should say it* The Male Loneliness Epidemic by Shoe0nHead
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For a man, there is nothing wrong with expressing your feelings. Just don't expect any acceptance or empathy from other people.
... or stable friendships and relationships, or good job opportunities, or happiness in general
@@easylemon2547 all men can easily get stable friendships and relationships. But good job opportunities depends on your family, money or clout. And happiness depends on your personality and assets
@@Dan_Kanervayes obviously, just don’t risk showing emotions around those
HULK FEELS EMOTIONAL! 🤣
I wonder if the age old wisdom of talking about your feelings being good for the mental health even is as valid as the society assumes.
Therapy having much worse success rates among men than women might not be about "men just being too toxic with their masculinity to not talk about their feelings", but it could just also be that processing emotions in that way doesn't come naturally to men, hence they don't benefit from it as much.
I'd be interested in seeing how volunteer work or something that has a goal and a purpose would work in comparison. Having some kind of a purpose imo is quite central to the "male psyche", and there is no purpose in crying about your shit life to a therapist. I've known half a dozen or so men that have been to therapy and I don't think a single one have said that therapy helped them in any meaningful way with their depression or whatever.
Men being kinda grumpy and stoic about their feelings might be a feature and not a bug that needs to be fixed.
I doubt the issue will be fixed, as within psychology the idea of men and women having behavioral differences hardwired into their biology has become something of a taboo, so I doubt such things will be researched.
I'm only halfway through your reaction and I had to pause it to write this, but thank you.
See, you're making something that I like to call "sense." I have always tried to go out of my way to be polite to people, even if they're being complete jerks (or whatever term you want to substitute) for two main reasons: I was raised learning the "do unto others" philosophy, and I really got a full understanding of what that meant early on because I got bullied all the time growing up. First by kids at school, then by my sibling, then by the people running the special ed program I was forced into, then by my own mother. And that's just the order those parties started their bullying in, there was almost always some overlap somewhere.
I was tricked, I was ignored, I was blamed for things I never did, I had my buttons pushed until I got angry on purpose so there was "justification" for being grounded. I even got in trouble for trying to be the bigger person and walking away before I lost my temper.
And through all of that, I chose to look at all of those experiences as a comprehensice guide on how not to treat people.
I will always, always try to be polite, like you did with that Karen. But with so many unhinged mindsets out there today, combined with this need to cry wolf for the slightest perceived offense? It's honestly kind of scary talking to women now. I usually try to let them make the first move, which doesn't happen often, but when it does I know they're worth knowing.
But to stop rambling, thank you for saying what you're saying here. It's always good to see anyone out there still making sense.
this is why i am so happy i live in a country where MeToo would be laughed at, and authorities don't instantly believe a woman's side of the story; men also behave like normal men, and women are usually very femenine and chill. It's a real blessing to not be in a place rotten by political zealots and disrespectful kids
@@Dan_Kanerva The fact that such a magical place exists gives me hope for the future. There will be safe havens of sanity to stay in while the crazies destroy each other.
Dont say its Britain ...i know from personal first hand experience that your lying 😂
There is a follow up video to this. You should see it sometime.
You see the problem really stems from a young age because like as a guy you're told you're basically no one like I am always screamed at for not being the best like the way people treat us is almost perfectly designed to either turn us into a emotionless husk or psychopath and most of the times the spotlight points towards the psychopath which paints all of us as such
I consider myself a bit more emotionally aware than most men... but I just can't find anyone who wants to let me into their friend group, everyone seems like they don't have time. schedules don't line up and nobody wants to make the effort to hangout.
As a bouncer and security I'we learned to listen too, boy have I listned and shook hands instead of fists. "See ya later after you have been sobered" - not "see you in court"...
We have lost the balance between men and women,. Even my grandparents had valid loyal friends real BFF:s as in US is trend to talk...
Wow! that Holzern is rather expensive in the top tear, but earrings start about US dinner invoice, not including tips, LOL (starting 37€ = 40$)...
I'm glad that you talked a lot in the video, most of the times, we man just hear the complains and no support.
We seriously do not mind you adding nearly a second video's worth of content, especially when you at least were willing to say half-way through that "oh... I said that... but there is more, isn't there". As to the toxic levels we are in now, my biggest worry is because Shoe, Pearl, a few others... and now yourself... are some of a very limited positive places for a man (cis man at least) on the left. There seriously is not a counterbalance to the men who say "women have taken everything from you" (they did not, but we do not want to get into who did), so more and more men are moving right... and that is not a good thing for anyone.
As a moderately conservative man who loves history, where things are headed is not good for society in general... and like it or not, when the collapse happens, women will be very affected. But it seems like very few are trying to keep it from happening, too busy trying to argue historical wrongs to see where it can end.
The problem with the term “ toxic masculinity “ is that there isn’t a single instance you can point to that women are not also guilty of. There’s no such thing as toxic masculinity. Only toxic humanity.
Couldn’t agree more 😔✊
You’re way off
@@armchairwizard8613 he isnt though 😂
@@TonySpike He is though.
1. Had depression and loneliness since childhood
2. Addictied to porn and Suicidal thoughts by the age of 16
Don’t forget LeVar Burton
34:20 that guy kinda looks like the chefs from little nightmares.
Being a High value man isn't about just having money. Kevin samuels broke it down clearly, but after his death, women took the phase and made it just about money. You have to also have good moral values and are seen as a peer to other valuable men. Also, the red pill isn't about "blaming women" it's to help men recognize female nature so they don't waste time money and resources on the wrong woman.
Starting to recognize where I have gone wrong in my own marriage. Wasted a lot of money and time unfortunately. Now she hates it that I am pulling back a lot because she’s been on easy mode the entire time and is seeing reality for what it is.
@@Papolucho702 same but we divorced eventually but still together for the kids. It is actually better I spend less money and do less chores, And her having to work full time is showing her that she was on easy mode.
I miss Bob Ross too
12:44 It is women's fault. It's their fault for being too good for me.
i cant even give my opinion on the matter because, as a man, i will either be called a beta by my fellow men, or a sexist by women.
welcome to the 2020's, where being a man means you just have to shut your mouth and be a emotionless, unopinionated blank slate.
You thinking of zombieland?
25 years is hella early to get engaged ... society is wrong about that! I never had a partner and am 27 years old and thats totally fine and normal
The problem with that viewpoint is, its normal to you, not nessecarilly normal to everyone else
My freinds were married at 18 and have done just fine, and me and my partner never got married, and we are now 40
Its all individual
@@TonySpike then I see no problem 😉
6:50 welcome to zombieland?
Zombieland was my guess too.
Jordan Peterson is actually an extremely intelligent man. Anna is way off base there. She just sees it through the lens of left and right politics. Peterson rarely talks about politics but actually about how to make yourself into something. The first thing he tells people in general is to make your bed. With your bed made every day you might have a feeling of accomplishment and clean your entire room. From there it might snowball into doing something or learning a new skill that makes you happy. Be dangerous is his next thought. You might think that thought is in itself dangerous, but the point of it he explains in detail. Be dangerous to those who would do harm to yourself and those under your protection is the primary gist of the thought. Without the ability to enact violence on a perpetrator, nobody will seek your protection which will lead to loneliness and despair. Without purpose (e.g. someone or something to protect or build) men become shallow husks of their full potential.
What exactly do you mean by actually? What exactly do you mean by extremely? What exactly do you mean by intelligent? What exactly do you mean by man?
That's the kind of word salad you get by him lately. He might be intelligent but it seems like he is slowly going nuts.
Peterson is a deranged lunatic and is obsessed with his right wing culture war nonsense.
@@lamaglama6231 He has a very socratic view of the world. The thought process is that you have to pull every thing apart, define and categorize the parts, and then put them back together to see the entire picture. It is a bit tedious, this is true. He also does this because the media likes to twist people's words into something he didn't say in an attempt to discredit him.
bruh you for real? jordan peterson is just another rightwing grifter these days. he used to be a respected psychology professor but thats long gone
I fundamentally don't agree with the notion that the biggest issue is that society has expectations for it's citizens by a certain age. The reason why is that in every time period this has been the case and much worse than now. In the ancient times if you weren't devoted to certain religions by a certain age you could be branded a heretic and straight up hung or set on fire...
Compared to the old days there are far LESS expectations on people to be ANYTHING by ANY age. Many people are more individualistic in their behavior than in any time period in history and most people have chosen to rebel against their families traditions whether religious or otherwise. The so called expectation you mentioned to be in a relationship by a certain age is a mere relic of an age long past where most people were of the Christian faith and believed in being married by a young age...
Today fewer and fewer people believe in the sanctity of marriage or anything and yet you think it's the echo of those traditions causing todays issues? No it's the rebellion against all things traditional that is causing these issues. I even hear it in your voice, the rebellion against the expectations of the society... to me it's that perspective which has led society to where it is today.
sometimes laurens jewelry and attire catch my attention. her necklace does look a little bit like a bikes lock to me. and thats a very fine dress. more makeup than usual. normally her styles tendency goes to darker colors and more casual clothing. the peachy and silver colors here are a very good match with the earphones, though.
That sounded creepier than you probably meant it
@@TonySpike paying attention to clothing is creepy? then i apologize. meant no harm. was admittedly off topic, just noticed a difference in the reactors appearance.
Nice shirt, looks good on ya
In pure generalities: republican = logical, democrat = emotional. Men = logical, women = emotional. Why is it so wrong to accept the fact that balance is the most important thing to achieve and it's literally built into our DNA. I will never understand why it is so vilified in society these days.
Too many people feel its "Us vs Them". They outsource their critical thinking to other people. Distancing myself from politics and focusing on what I can actually control has helped a lot.
I'm not saying there's no such problem among us, men, but let's be honest - we just don't give a shit, because we're built this way 😂
Now you need to watch "an apology to men, and response to shoeongead" by thoughtslime
There is definitely value in people
Some higher than other FACT
WE live in a society
Which can only move at the speed of the slowest
So
Them keeping society faster and then helping the slower ones keep up Are definitely a higher value player within a society
You missed the point here
In my opinion 😊
Your opinion is dumb.
Ah yes, the “ nefarious” Jordan Peterson… good job maintaining your Bias TYT. 😂
Explain this
Couldn't see him as nefarious myself
NEFARIOUS suggests flagrant breaching of time-honored laws and traditions of conduct.
Example used in sentence.
the nefarious rackets of organized crime.
Doesn't sound anything like Jordan Peterson
How unspeakable of you to slander this man
@@madyottoyotto3055He isnt going to have sex with you
@@madyottoyotto3055 I'm fairly certain he's being sarcastic, the use of quotation marks to emphasize "nefarious" and the sarcastic roasting of TYT.
@@madyottoyotto3055Can you read?
It turns out that Tate is really good on Gaza. Maybe US imperialism too, but I'm not sure. He was skewering zionism and the genocide early.
He just verbalises the logic of neoliberal economics, which is the logic of capitalism in itself, that treats people as competitive individuals who have to treat each other as objects to make a buck, whether that's using workers as disposable tools to be exploited until they break, or as commodities and recreational equipment to be bought and sold, making all relationships casual and all partners disposable and interchangeable. He's saying nothing original, or good or true, he's just saying the quiet part out loud. The problem is capitalism, and it is conventional capitalist economics which turns that dehumanizing, commodifying behaviour into hypothetical mathematical models (classical, neo-classical, liberal, neoliberal, Austrian, Hayek, Freidman, it's all the same and equally false). He dehumanizes women because he's already dehumanized himself, as well as all men.
Mass loneliness is one of the outcomes of neoliberal policies being implemented for the last 50 years to make Mrs Thatcher's claim that "there is no such thing as society, only individuals and families" come true. This is one of the reasons, along with being a follower of Jesus, why I'm a collectivist. Individualism is axiomatically isolating and alienating, not just a reflection of alienation imposed by capital. One of the tasks of the faith, and of Marxism, is to rescue collectivity, as Vijay Prashad puts it. It's as collectives that we're strong, that we can take charge of our destinies and have friends and comrades and be in fellowship and give and get the help everyone needs. It's as collectives that democracy works, instead of always being hijacked and sabotaged by the richest individuals.
Identity politics is also part of the problem, because it when it comes to men expressing their feelings and being able to have platonic relationships and platonic love (which is a central element of Christian teaching), it has just multiplied the number of ways it can be misread and denigrated as some form or another of clossetedness or not really being a man. When everything is a sexuality or a newly discovered gender identity, Platonic love is made to appear impossible or imaginary, whereas it's what friendship, collectivity and fellowship all depend on.
No one asked, W 🇮🇱
No, the solution is not "men be more open with your emotions"
That's been proven wrong. If you get cut off in traffic, you're angry for 15 seconds and never think about it again. If you "express your emotions" and bitch about it for a week, well you're much more likely to think about that week at some point in the future, and get angry again, than your are to think about the 15 seconds again.
Talking about how angry you are makes you angrier, not less angry. Talking about how sad you are makes you sadder, not less sad. The correct answer is women need to also not express their emotions. Since women go to therapists and take psychoactive drugs at 5 times the rate of men, the "share your feelings" idea is obviously the wrong one.
the problem is men talk to you about our problems to find a solution so we no longer have the problem, and women say, "why don't you talk about it?" Because I can have thoughts without saying them out loud. I want a solution that makes the problem go away, not to wallow in the problem forever.
But… talking about problems *does* often help. Not always, sure, but most times it does. Just because a certain mental doctrine works for you, doesn’t mean that it’ll work for everybody. The human mind is complex and each individual (even regardless of gender) is different. Believe it or not but a lot of people who have talked about their problems with other people have had beneficial outcomes, so much so that I find it odd that you haven’t perceived that fact.
Look, I get where you’re coming from (I’m also a dude) but you saying that telling people others about their problems doesn’t help, is blatantly false. I know this because I talked to my loved ones about my issues and while yes, it didn’t solve the problem immediately, it sure as shit helped because sometimes it’s nice to vent.
Sometimes people don’t even know what’s wrong with them until they’ve talked to someone who might have helped them see and understand what their issue is and how to solve it. I say all this as someone who’s been a social recluse all my life, I know what isolation feels like and sometimes it works, but sometimes I wish I had more people who were there for me.
I can only hope that whatever *you* might be dealing with is taken care of. Whether that be from help from others, or yourself. But all I ask is that you give people a chance. Just because the people you’ve met have been shitty, doesn’t mean there aren’t better people out there, cause they definitely are.
I wish you luck
if thtas true for you, great. but its not for most people
God bless Lauren for wearing that shirt
Excuse me what ?
@@gamesandspace Big boobas, you blind?
Bro
Theres some thoughts you are meant to keep inside lmao
@@ZeallustImmortal I hope he's joking otherwise I lost all hope in humanity I didn't even have