MILK (2008) Movie Reaction! | FIRST TIME WATCHING!
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- Опубликовано: 5 июл 2024
- Last Pride movie for this month and it, of course, HURTS!!! But a very important, well done film indeed.
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Please, please, please, watch "The Times of Harvey Milk." It's an Oscar winning documentary on Harvey Milk. While Milk is a fine film, The Times of Harvey Milk shows the actual footage of the events and talks to the people who actually knew Harvey. It is very powerful.
I just about to suggest this one.
Penn deserved his Oscar, but Harvey was SO much more than this film.
Please also watch THE TIMES OF HARVEY MILK. A reaction would be amazing as well.
I’m an extra in this movie. Well, literally every person who was willing to show up at 3am for the candlelight vigil at the end was an extra in the movie.
I lived on Castro street when they filmed this movie. It was fun to watch the whole street being decorated to look like the 70s
The true perverts are those that use the cover of religion to enforce their bigotry. Their dysfunction causes so much destruction. Loved watching with you, Sam. Peace, all 💕
I was a little kid when Harvey Milk was assassinated and I vaguely remember my Mom being really sad and cut out his death from News paper clippings like she did when The Royal Family got articles in the News. I did not understand as a kid what all that meant and why it was important . When I got older and understood just how meaningful this all was I saw Harvey Milk as an inspiration . I never knew him but I just know he would have been a great person to have as a friend . This is for me by far one of Sean Penn's Best roles ....he totally crushed it.
Fun facts: Gus Van Sant (director) cast straight actor Penn as gay activist Milk, then cast gay actor Victor Garber as straight politician George Moscone. He also use real people from the time in the film - Alan Baird, the teamster rep, plays himself, and Milk's fellow Supervisor, Carol Silver, also elected in 77, is an extra in one scene and the real Danny Nicoletta is the man talking to Milk at the very end in his office.
I love how this movie integrated historic footage with the acting. I was too young when all this happened to know about Harvey Milk but I sure remember Anita Bryant stirring things up. And yes, the rhetoric was all about "save our children from the gays who are trying to recruit our kids to their deviant lifestyle". And they absolutely lumped homosexuality in with bestiality and pedophilia. Just awful.
Also, the whole Anita Bryant "save our children" thing started with Florida then and Florida are once again among the leading states attacking LGBTQ+ rights again now. 😢
Sadly, many people think other people gaining their rights mean they are losing rights.
Yup! Sad
The Times of Harvey Milk is an absolute must see too ❤️
I was born in 73 and thankfully my Mom raised me from day 1 that gay people were no different as well as any race or nationality. This was a hard thing as I was born in Alabama, lived all over that state as well as Virginia & Georgia. I had many homophobes try to knock that out of me, but they never could & never will. I have been back in Alabama since 1999 I’m married to a recovering republican (lol our joke about him as he was raised that way, but meeting me opened his eyes). We met in 2002, married in 2003. He accepted raising my Daughter from my horrible first marriage. He now knows many gay & trans kiddos who I “adopt” along the way when their parents don’t accept them. My Daughter is very openly bisexual and of course I have an ally sticker on my car so if someone needs a safe space to run too no matter if I’m a stranger, they can run to me. One of these days I’ll probably end up in trouble for this kind of stuff, but if I’m willing to pull over & start filming the cops any time I see cops detaining any black man or black woman knowing they could possibly kill me…. You get it right? Even though I know it could end bad, I still do it. Somebody has to stand up for others, it’s just what’s right.
This movie made me cry so hard at the end when I first watched it 😭
I'm a San Franciscan, and I remember vividly the news of the Moscone-Milk assassinations breaking just nine days after the Jonestown massacre - which might well have led to some political embarassment for Mayor Moscone, had he lived just a little longer, because of his past political connections to Jim Jones and his People's Temple. In fairness to the jury in the Dan White trial, jurors were interviewed later and said that they dismissed the "Twinkie defense" argument altogether; they convicted White only of manslaughter for other reasons entirely. It sounds like far too light a verdict anyway, but at least that notorious defense strategy had nothing to do with it.
Oh wow!
27:04 The level of frustration and just lack of common decency to your fellow human being is truly enraging.
Anita Bryant was a former Miss America runner-up and semi-famous singer who became the spokesperson for the Florida Citrus Commission and was seen regularly in TV commercials and ads promoting Florida orange juice in the 70's. During this time, she also became an outspoken anti-gay activist for the Save Our Children (from homosexuals) campaign. She advocated for laws that would prevent gay people from holding teaching jobs in schools or employment associated with children. From 1977 until her firing as spokesperson for the Florida Citrus Commision in 1980 gay bars and gay owned businesses refused to serve or sell Florida orange juice.
May 22 is Harvey Milk Day, his Birthday 🏳️🌈
It's always the people trying to make things better that get gunned down. Violence is the tactic of paranoid cowards.
29:26 That is the real Cleve Jones (Arizona) standing on the stage with the white t-shirt and sunglasses.
Outstanding performance's from the cast. Accurate movie. Rolling my eyes at twinkie defense.🍊 🥧
Gotta love the Twinkie defense. Imagine all the stuff I could've gotten away with.
Gus Van Sant is a director that it's very hard to pin down. On occasion he'll do an earnest drama like this or Good Will Hunting, but most of the time he's just totally nuts, making deliberately dull endurance test movies or just balls-out crazy ones like Even Cowgirls Get The Blues, which is about a woman with giant thumbs that make her great at hitchhiking. And then there was his scene by scene remake of Psycho, which was ridiculed at the time and hasn't gotten any better.
I love Gus Van Sant, he's my favorite director, I want to intern for him lol
Hi Sam! I hadn't known of Harvey Milk until I got around to watching this movie years ago. I was a kid and later a Teen in the 70ties, so never really was aware of those who were Gay overall. Anyways, the jerk who killed HM and the Mayor, I really do not understand why he wasn't given 25 to Life in prison!! He planned the damn thing for freak sake! 😠 I've heard of ppl getting more time for kidnapping than this guy did. Hate to say it but he should've just killed himself to start with, and not taken anyone with him. 😢 Oh and geez that whole Anita Bryant deal, she was just trying to make herself relevent to the public, she was dumb. 😣
Wonderful film with a stacked cast. Really captivating performances from everyone involved. There are a number of documentaries about Harvey Milk worth a watch. It's unfortunate but all too real that many historical accounts involving LGBTQ+ figures ended tragically. Would be nice to have a story from those days with a happy ending.
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Such a fantastic film. Lovely to see a reaction. Like others have said, I would highly suggest watching theHarvey Milk documentary as well.
Thank you for reacting to this amazing film. ♥
If you have a chance please watch the documentary THE LIFE AND TIMES OF HARVEY MILK (1984)... it's staggeringly good!
Thank you SO much for watching and reacting to this. So few reactors, even queer ones, have done so. I remember so many of these events even though I was a young, closeted, gay teenager living in the midwest. As several others have suggested, I also highly recommend the excellent documentary "The Times of Harvey Milk" (1984). Thanks again and Happy Pride!
9:00 It parallels the Booker T. Washington vs. W.E.B. DuBois debate. What is possible right now vs. how things should be.
It's important to know that the gay rights movement didn't begin in the 70s. It had been going on in an organized fashion since the 1940s in the US w the Mattachine Society being one of the earliest organizations. It's important for today's youth to understand the struggles, lives, and blood it took to get to where we are today because it could go away tomorrow. Normally that could be seen as hyperbolic, but given some of the rights for women and minorities that have already disappeared, and the sentiments of the majority of the Supreme Court as well as the attacks from the right, it can absolutely happen. Seeing the bravery of so many people fighting the system, risking their own lives and welfare to do so, can help young people today to face the challenges ahead steadfastly, knowing that history and those who came before are on their side.
Lesbians and gays were not united and lived in two different worlds, different cultures, and different parts of town. It was as if being gay and being lesbian were totally different things with nothing in common. It wasn't until the AIDS crisis of the 80s when gay men were dying and the gay community was terrified and under attack that the lesbians came to the rescue by opening hospices for AIDS victims and going to the homes of AIDS patients to care for them because they were dying alone and had nobody to help them. Known as "The Blood Sisters", they donated their blood to help AIDS victims when no one else would. They helped organize and educate people. It was at this time that gays and lesbians became a united front because we are stronger together than separate and have remained united ever since. We owe the lesbian community, our sisters, an infinite debt of gratitude. Their service for their brothers should not ever be forgotten.
Don't miss the sequel, "Cookies."
I've been wanting to see this movie after I heard Sean Paul Lockhart was in it but still haven't yet. Great cast. I didn't realize this was based on a true story.
46:56 The most delusional sh!t EVER 😂💯
Anita Bryant’s foolish arguments used are still used today, unfortunately! Harvey’s story is a needed watch, as you said.
Thank you so much Sam for your reaction. And I'm grateful for the Patreon poll that picked this for Pride month. I didn't know anything about Harvey Milk until my late 20's. Even though I grew up hearing the phrase "Twinkie Defense" I didn't know the context. But it was the 1970's and stuff was weird then.
Glad to see you watch this film. It's excellent. I understand why it doesn't win polls... biopic... yawn. But it's worth the watch (I hope you agree... I'm typing this comment before watching).
Simultaneous reminder of how far we've come in some ways and yet how repetitive the fight is. Exact same fucking rhetoric. Sadly too often the same violence.
37:48 Just ... everytime I see this part. Immediate rage and sadness.
It is so amazing to me that for all our progress as a community, we are right back to the times of Harvey Milk with our right to exist being legislated out of existence, being attacked as a threat to children and groomers, the ENTIRE narrative today, is the exact same narrative as what Harvey Milk was fighting against and we are still asleep, we are still divided amongst ourselves with some even wanting to get rid of transgender representation in our community. It is literally sickening and a stab in the back for those of us who are elders. people like me who remembers the night Harvey milk was shot. I remember the days of government encouraged gay bashings and was the victim of a bashing myself. I lived through the 1980'sd and 1990's, lost 267 friends to AIDS and am a survivor of 38 years positive. And yet it is all about to be erased, everything we as a community have fought for and suffered is about to be rendered pointless if we cannot stop the spread of this Christain nationalist nonsense.
This movie is a vital piece of history and should always be treated as a call to action.
THANK YOU SO MUCH for your reaction and commentary... it is also vital to our community. ALWAYS loved your channel and your bravery in taking on these kinds of movies so fearlessly.
Not all of our movies are traumatizing. Pride month needs an expansion with something lighter. Ever seen CAMP? I've been thinking about that movie a lot lately. Need to watch it again. It always leaves me with a smile.
"If homosexuals are allowed civil rights then protistutes and criminals would"
Me: whats wrong with that? Nobody should be denied their civil rights.
"I'm evil."
lol, I wonder if you could kill a spider.
I think you'd really like the series Fellow Travelers.
This is a good movie about a good man, but very depressing and disturbing because of what happened and this being real people and events. I was in San Francisco at the time this was happening so it was familiar to me. Being reminded makes me sad and angry all over again. Dan White's lawyers riduculous claim of the junk food made him do it was dubbed by the press as "The Twinkie Defense".
For a mood booster I recommend the movie, The Wedding Banquet (1993).
38:38 Beautiful in a horrible moment. That really happened.
Trans rights are where gay rights were 50 years ago. They're saying the exact same things about us.
Say what you will about Dan White, but he did kill Dan White.
Great movie.
I was nine years old when this happened and we lived very close to San Francisco so it was on the TV and radio all day every day, and I never realized until years later how lucky I am to have parents that didn't say negative things about gays the way so many of the parents of my friends did. I'd never heard the word gay before and I asked my mom what it was, and she said some boys like boys and some girls like girls, and I was like, okay. So all those people who say they're "protecting their children" by trying to keep anything they perceive as gay away from them are completely full of 💩💩💩 And liars. And idiots. And your children are going to end up resenting you.
Also, I don't know how it is now, but the biggest and wildest party I ever went to was Halloween on Castro Street in 1987 (I went as Norma Desmond). It seemed like there were a million people there. And some of the costumes were absolutely amazing. The only down side, as a woman, was trying to find a bathroom that wasn't packed with men. My girl friends and I ended up peeing in a parking lot. 🤣😬
You need to watch "A Normal Heart". It's heartbreaking.
Thanks!
I’m so evilllo I cry over bugs 🤣
This reaction is so timely right now considering that the exact same thing is happening again throughout the US with a stronger focus on transgender rights, but also attacking LGBTQ+ people as a whole. History is repeating itself once more.
It's really not, hope you stretched before reaching that hard
@@punklover99 No, it's very much the same. I wrote a research paper for my PhD program on it two years ago, with particular attention to Florida (which really requires updating with additional information from the past two years, including recent court decisions). If you want a full accounting of the recent anti-trans and anti-LGBTQ+ attacks in Florida and nationwide, Erin Reed has a great tracker on her blog, Erin in the Morning, or you can also look at the data from the Movement Advancement Project. No politicians have been assassinated over it (in the US, anyway), but in every other respect, what's happening right now is very, very much the same thing that happened in the 1950s, 60s, and 70s. Here are the first three paragraphs of my paper, which detail the anti-LGBTQ+ attacks from 1958 to 1978 (and I have 33 pages of sources to back it up):
In 1958, the Florida Legislature’s Legislative Investigation Committee, chaired by Starke Senator Charley Johns, began aggressive witch hunts aimed at rooting out lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and queer (LGBTQ+) professors, teachers, and students in Florida’s public schools and universities. Known as the Johns Committee, it was Florida’s version of the McCarthy-era witch hunts that were being conducted by the federal government and resulted in ousting many educators and students from Florida’s schools and universities. State legislators feared liberal influences in Florida education, and after initially focusing on Communists and NAACP members from 1956 to 1958, they switched their focus to demonizing LGBTQ+ people, who were easily vulnerable targets of this fear, using the argument of protecting Florida’s youth as their rationale for their destruction of people’s lives and livelihoods (McGlone, 2020).
In 1964, the committee published a pamphlet that became known as “The Purple Pamphlet”, which was created to expose the dangers of homosexuality in Florida’s education system (Florida Legislature, 1964). The committee wrote, “To many Floridians, perhaps a majority, homosexuality is a term without real meaning - the subject for a party joke, the whispered accusation aimed to warn one’s children about in vague and general phrases. This Committee … is, however, convinced that many facets of homosexual practice as it exists in Florida today pose a threat to the health and moral well-being of a sizable portion of our population, particularly our youth (Florida Legislature, 1964, p. 5).” Later within the publication, they write, quoting “a veteran investigator of homosexual activities”, “’The homosexuals are organized. The persons whose responsibility it is to protect the public, and especially our kids, are not organized in the direction of combating homosexual recruiting of youth.’ … ‘We must do everything in our power to create one thing in the mind of every homosexual, and that is ‘Keep your hands off our children! The consequences will be terrible if you do not.’” (Florida Legislature, 1964, pp. 15-16). There was a great deal of paranoia, propaganda, and real, lasting, harmful action taken for fear of gay recruitment of children and youth. It was extremely harmful for those accused of or for whom there was actual evidence of homosexuality (which at this time also included people who are considered transgender and gender non-conforming, as well as bi+ individuals, and anyone else who deviated from the heterosexual cisgender norm). Generally, though, this committee destroyed careers and educational prospects for students, teachers, and professors who were drummed out of education as a result of their witch hunts.
Several years later, the United States was going through several social movements for civil rights, women’s rights, and gay rights when the Stonewall riots happened in New York in 1969. In 1973, homosexuality was declassified as a disease by the American Psychological Association (Drescher, 2015). And in 1977, Dade County, Florida passed a human rights ordinance (HRO) that included sexual orientation, which prompted an expressly theocratically-oriented response from beauty queen and gospel singer Anita Bryant, who was then a Dade County resident and spokeswoman for Florida oranges (Bryant & Green, 1978). Bryant and her husband, Bob Green, started an organization that was initially called “Save Our Children”, though the name was later changed as it spread nationwide due to pushback from the state of Ohio, which had a similarly named campaign for a very different purpose, becoming “Protect America’s Children” (Bryant & Green, 1978). They led a campaign in Florida to overturn the Dade County HRO, and then took their crusade nationwide in a move that led to states like California considering prohibiting LGBTQ+ people from the teaching profession. Green wrote, “We realize that a secular religion called humanism - the view that man, rather than God, is the center of the universe - has taken over public education from coast to coast and is using school textbooks and sex-education classes to push homosexuality as being perfectly normal and proper (Bryant & Green, 1978, p. 24)”. They believed that Christian religious beliefs should take primacy in public education, legislation, and public life, and disagreed with the secular nation of the US and Florida state constitutions. They also pushed forth an argument that is all too familiar even today, as Florida passed four pieces of legislation in 2021 and 2022 relating to the inclusion of information about sexual orientation and gender identity in school curricula and libraries - Green wrote, “The voters considered the claims of the militant homosexuals and decided that: (A) Parents and public school officials should retain the right to set standards of personal conduct for teachers… (Bryant & Green, 1978, p. 27).” In this case, they wanted schools to be able to prohibit the hiring of LGBTQ+ teachers. At the time of this writing, from both personal communications and various media sources, we know that some LGBTQ+ teachers and even allies fear for their jobs following the passage in 2022 of HB 1557, and the struggle of 1977 is repeating itself in states around the US.
An okay movie. Penn was great but I'll always be upset he won the oscar over Mickey Rourke for The Wrestler... and that's coming from a gay lmaoooo
You should give The Wrestler a watch at some time too. Really good. Love your content.
Super movie.
At the risk of repeating myself I highly suggest 'Uncle Frank' and 'Boy Meets Girl'.
You absolutely don't deserve to be scolded for having gaps in your LGBTQ+ history knowledge, but for your older viewers it is somewhat of an eye opener. The gay world that we came up in was so much smaller and very insular, and part of joining those circles was learning about the past from the elders in the group. A young queer might leave a house party with a list of books to read, movies to see, and music to listen to; and god forbid if they weren't conversant on those subjects the next time they came around. We've assimilated into the mainstream so much that we've lost the emphasis we used to have on our own culture. I don't have a solution for this, and many might feel it's not even a problem, but I hate to think that all this communal knowledge is just going to evaporate over the decades. If any young people feel the same way, I hope you'll look into this history yourself or with someone older and discuss it with the people in your life.
You're 100% correct. Thank you for saying this and for NOT shaming me into not knowing certain things about LGBTQ+ history. I’m well aware that I have a lot of learning to do, but I also like learning through visual media like this; it really helps me personally, honestly!
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"...You can't argue with God."
Adultery is in the TEN COMMANDMENTS...but Gay isn't. Have you ever considered that God hates adultery a whole lot more than Gay? How about you destroy Adultery (since it's in God's TOP TEN) first and after you are through with that, you can start working on Gay, kay?
Harvey Milk was a legitmate gay trailblazer. Too bad we don't remeber out own history.
Brilliant film!
Interesting point around 16:52. Yes, gay men could definitely be misogynistic. They’re also products of their times and environment!
100%!
Or you know she was new to the cause, so who knew how good she was
When I was the head of my LGBT University organization, Cleve Jones was still active and I got to work with him on an outreach project for Queer Homeless Youth Outreach. His stories and tales from that period and from the era of the AIDS epidemic are some of the most bracing histories I've ever heard. Some of these people are still around and advocating in our country against these same arguments now being aimed at the T community.
Milk was an awesome movie, it's a damn shame how far the LGBT community has fallen; and how far San Francisco has fallen. A city that was once an amazing place is now literally covered and flooded with shit
Not really sure what you mean by how the LGBTQ+ community has fallen…