BYE BYE Bluegrit...This PLASTERING Primer is 10X Better Than Bluegrit & PVA
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- Опубликовано: 21 янв 2023
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I moved over to this from blue and you are right no course grit to pull through and so much easier to work with. My go to primer/sealer.
We’ve been using nothing but green grit for years and wouldn’t use anything else it’s lovely to skim over. Less coarse than the blue grit similar to the stuff you use in those video
I give this man video a "thumbs up" before i watch them, good job for doing the research for us
Me and my plasterer see a couple of plasterers last year using artex sealer and it works amazingly well. It’s expensive but u can whack it on, it dries pretty much straight away and takes away all the issues you have with pva / blu grit etc
That's good to know. Cheers pal!
good video ! keep the advice to us novices coming ! thanks
Half a tub of green grit with a full tub of Pva. 2 coats with roller the day before. Goes on lovely. I didn’t like how you can’t really see the yellow as well as the green when i used it
Love the stuff mate, I’ve previously commented on your other video on blue grit being severely overrated. The bond it is the best, although it has a very odd smell! The green bostik grit primer is also excellent if you’ve ever come across it? Having come away with these declarations I think I should add that these grit primers certainly have their uses on areas such as very smooth walls etc etc, BUT, a lot of people I’ve come across think they’re some revolutionary innovation that are a fix all for any and every problem background and they aren’t, they’re a primer like any other and it’s very important to select the right type for the background you’re going onto. I’ve personally had failures of green grit where it shells off after the set is actually finished due to whatever reason. It certainly made me more wary and much more prone to investigating everything before deciding on a primer. Never had any problems with sbr so I tend to use that unless something unusual occurs.
It's brilliant stuff mate, I normally use bostik green grit, mainly use 2 coats of SBR
It's a 24 wait time on the tub for bluegrit, not tried yellow, bostik green grit is finer,
If mixed with sbr, goes on well & dries quick too, keep up the great videos Blaine 👍👍
I’ve not mixed SBR with it so thanks for the suggestion. I’ll give that a go.
Thanks for watching pal 👍
We use the bostik stabilising primer and never had a problem
Hi there, great vids as always. New to using a speedskim on walls and ceiling. Find it good, but no quicker in the long run as have to wait for it to dry. How long between coats do you leave it. A 3 M long wall how long should it take ??
Great stuff thanks for this
Correct me if im wrong, Have I been taught the old fashioned way. 2 solid coats of PVA over artex and brick. Then bond. And another 2 coats of PVA and then skim. I've been plastering for years and have never found a problem doing this. Personally wound not use bonding on top of tiles either. Take them off
Hi Blaine , can you show us how to the shower walls. Thanks
I use the bostik green grit from Travis Perkins and it’s so much nice than blue grit but it’s still not ideal as I just hate the scrapping of my trowel against it when laying on… it’s a must for council work when plastering over artex ceilings 😢
I’ll definitely give it a try 👍🏻
Hi mate - you mention in this video using this grit on tiles. Have you done or can you do a vid on covering tiles? Cheers
Hi Blaine, have you ever tried SBR as a primer instead of PVA?
Been using this for a few years great stuff and cheap
Looks just like the old knauf pink one they used to do . Wicks still sell it though but gone up in price big time
Just out of interest, was it Bluegrit you used when you were rendering some window sills in one of your vids? Just interested to know if you can use Bondit to do the same.
I need to patch a ceiling with viynal paint. Any advice on fading the plaster out with this product having a texture finish.
Many thanks
Whats better blue grit or bind it grit for patchy walls with with patchy hard paint ?
How much did it use for that 1 wall mate and how much per tub?
Hi mate .quick question can you put this on tiles in a bathroom and then plaster
Is it any good for using over silk paint
thanks for this video, I work in IT and I am really not looking forward to plastering my Artex ceilings - but with 3 plasterers now saying they will do my ceilings and then not showing up im beginning to think they are frightened of the asbestos , I dont get why the local plasterers wont take my money - I am going to try the bathroom first wish me luck, I was going to buy blue grit but not anymore. Thanks
Can this be used on previous plastered walls with old paint on?
Personally, I think the Best Primer on the Market is Quartz Primer. I've Venetian Plaster primer. Epic Fondo universal primer. With the added benefit of Breathable. And not expensive
Can I use this over a sanded artex ceiling? Cheers Stu
Does this hold back moisture or prime a previous damp wall?
Im wanting to board over tiles. Is this primer good so I can dot and dab the plaster board to?
How do you find this compared to the bostick Cementone green grit?
Hi buddy can you tell me where i can buy this bond it plasters progrit from as i can seam to get it
Put some sand in your SBR and it's the same thing you could use kiln-dried sand it works out a lot cheaper
Have any one mixed plastering sand up with pva ? or with washed fine sand and applied it.
So here is a question for you. Is Bond-it breathable? When plastering with lime, it is important that PVA or other bonding agents which seal the wall are not used. I have struggled to find products to use with lime plaster. Baumit Premium Primer works well but it very expensive. Any comments most welcome.
Baumit isn't breathable. You can't really use Bondit, SBR, PVA or blue grit with lime. Just scratch the surface of the old lime and bang it on.
SBR has no grit, only needs one coat and can start plastering within 15 minutes, It's better than PVA but more expensive. Is bond it cheaper than blue grit?
I use blue grit and i find it goes every where when you roller it on i will try this product that you are using
It’s messy stuff isn’t it mate ha!
Blaine . Can this be used over bonding/hard wall thats been done say day before. Or is it best its totally dry before applying. Thanks
Yes, absolutely! No problem with that pal 👍
This better from green Bostik ? Cos 10 lt 27£ lite bit expensive 🤔
Benn using this for ages nice stuff still wait 24 though
50/50 with pva and it takes an hour or 2 max
ive signed up to your course as im loving your videos BUT im having such a hard time figuring out the difference in products. You call the orangey stuff hardwall plaster, but here in australia our hardwall plaster is white, then in another video i see you referring to the white hardwall plaster as 'hardwall plaster' aswell so now im guessing the orangey plaster you use in all your videos isnt the same plaster we have here in australia. We have gyprock compound (easy to sand, but water soluable) cement render (sand, lime, cement), and hardwall plaster but i want to try that other product your using but its not very common here.
Hi Blain, what about SBR. another plasterer I watch uses all the time, he says it's far superior to pva. I tired it last week on a small wall with no problem. What's your opinion. Maybe do a video and test it out. Cheers
SPR is the best for everything.
Thinking of swapping to sbr do you use it neat for bonding and sealing?
Kirk?
Couldn't you use silver sand in the pva would be the same as whats in the tin
Seems a great product I agree with your thoughts on bluegrit, plaster same day win win, how much a tub and where can u buy it from
Toolstation sell it.
I’ve left a link in the description. I think it’s a lot cheaper from this:
amzn.to/3Hn2u7p
10l for 25 quid on ebay.
Forget that, 18.99 on amazon for 10l
Sorry mate - I posted the wrong link. I've corrected in now pal! My bad. 18.99 on amazon. Links here:
amzn.to/3Hn2u7p
Question for you my friend,I’ve got to to render a small painted block wall,i was thinking of maybe putting EML on,but would pregrit work well for render? thanks 👍
Thanks for the vid, Amazon link is for a 5L tub, expensive from there.
Sorry...wrong link. This is better (10L) and cheaper somehow. Weird. I've changed it in the description as well.
@@PlasteringForBeginners Cheers mate, that's a great price, good value that, especially if it covers more area than the blue stuff.
I skimmed over some plasterboard recently (the plasterboard was new) and it just sucked the moisture straight out of the plaster giving me little time to flatten off.
1. Can a coat of PVA be painted onto plasterboard first to control the suction?
2. If so what ratio 3:1?
3. How many coats?
4. Do I just let it go tacky before I skim over it or let it dry?
Yes.. pva it first. Usual 5:1 mix. Let it dry then skim over it. Even if board is a few weeks old I will prime it as it can get a bit dusty
Also, using board finish on new board will give you more time too
Still using this mate? Is it good on old chalky walls
Is the bondit pre grit PVA or SBR based ,ie does it re wet when in contact with moisture like PVA does ?
I think it’s SBR based mate. Not 100% sure but it smells like there’s SBR in there. But again, I could be wrong 👍
Do a test let it dry then wet it see if it's sticky then there's PVA if not it's SBR
@@PlasteringForBeginners I'd have a guess it's SBR based but I've never used it , thanks for the reply .
What do you think about sbr, for the same purpose? Cheers
I don't mind it but I've never really loved it. I know people swear by it but I've never seen it to be honest pal.
just use sbr watered down 50/50 with plastering sand in been using it for years never had no problems for over skimig
Great suggestion! I’ll give that a go pal, cheers 👍
Not telling anyone what to use we use pva/sbr watered down 1/3,1/3,1/3 so 3 gallon out of 2 .1 coat does the job it sticks that well we have to use plumbing pliers to take the lid off good luck lads second hand work is always roullette so by using good gear you will hopefully get 999 out of 1000
Awesome…blue grit is a nightmare, especially on carpets 😂
I don't think think it's meant for carpets🤣
Can anybody answer? When using this then, do you still need to use PVA? Or is this completely instead?
I've also been using the pregrit for a long time now As the aggregate is a lot finer so easier to roll on and goes a lot further The blue Grit is too thick and the aggregate is bigger Not very economical You mentioned about the pva But to be honest the pregrit comes With a better concentration meaning you can roll it as it is But is more cost-effective if you just add some diluted pva to it That's what I do anyway and I've been plastering ceilings for years
Why not just use sbr to take the suction away
Can you use Weber OCR over the bondit?
Bondit Rendering Primer pal 👍👍
Would this be good to use on hardwall or bonding aswell 🤔
It’s good in both mate. Works well with Bonding 👍
@PlasteringForBeginners great thanks for that. Going to give this stuff a go 👍
From my experience mate you don't put any pva or grit on hardwall or Carlite Bonding You usually try and plaster over bonding in the same day Just as you would plaster an arctic ceiling you do a magic mix of skim and bonding combination Then when it picks up you go over with a second plaster coat straight away You don't let bonding coat dry fully before you plaster over 👍
You will want 2 coats over artex or a coat of pva first... it sucks in too quick otherwise
And with blue grit the grit flicks everywhere
Do you find using grit is an issue with speed skims?
I do with Bluegrit but it’s a lot better with this stuff. The grit doesn’t get in the way 👍
@@PlasteringForBeginners cheers for the insight. Much appreciated. Keep up the great vids
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Bond it is almost always better for.skimming than Blue Grit, but blue grit still as its uses E.g priming that god awful chalky artex rubbish, or dabbing boards to a smooth concrete finish
Good point! The key is better for boards with Bluegrit…very true my friend 👍
What's the new grit called and who stocks it
It’s Plasterers Pregrit by Bondit. You can get it on Amazon 👍
I use pva and Kirn sand goes like sandpaper
Hi Blaine, grits are a very subjective product... People watering then down is ludicrous as it just weakens the product... I tend to avoid them as ive had 2 failures with green grit where the skimmed shelled off the grit!!!! It was scary how easy it was to remove.. what i dont like is the fact it doesn't have any bonding qualities, is just provides a key! Yellow grit and green grit do not provide a good enough key and blue grit is to difficult to apply evenly... You state the yellow is miles better than blue grit, what you mean is its nicer to use! That doesn't make it a better product it makes it an easier one...
Never had a problem diluting blue grit with water, or PVA. The undiluted full strength blue grit or PVA is rarely required, maybe its just a case of understanding substrates and preparing them as required, not as a product states on the side of the packaging
@@jarredwoolis4929 i tend to follow the directions of the manufacturer who has spent tens of thousands designing and developing the products! But i know what you what you mean as substrates can catch you out..the 2 ceilings i had fail with grit was embarrassing for me and my company and it wasnt due to installer error it was the product isnt fit for purpose...
That’s mad - never had any shelling issues so it’s good to know it happens. I like the way these primers control the suction and I genuinely believe that the Bonding qualities are great. PVA is still a good product but I think that this is better.
It’s nicer to use and an overall better product in my opinion 👍
@@PlasteringForBeginners i only tend to use them on walls with a very glossy surface.. i will not use it on ceilings at all now! But grit always looses out on cost, ease of applications and drying time..the orange one is the only one i ain't tried.. 😆😆
I,ve seen green grit fail twice what I use now is sbr and a handful of tile cement I,ve used this were the green grit failed and it was brilliant best thing I,ve used tbh
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just easier to apply mate, not better! the key you get with Blue Grit is superior when going over artex, tiles or oil/shinny painted surfaces....in my opinion blue grit/Thistle Bond it are still superior to the other fine aggregate/easier to apply primers!
If anything the heavier grit is the better product!! Just my opinion
That’s why you mix the Bluegrit with a while tub of pva goes further
I still never really liked it but it helps I suppose. Thanks for the suggestion though matey 👍
That doesn't help with the size of the grit though does it
@@davefarmery8180 no but it’ll be less clumpy duhhh
@chrisblack9348 but you're just making it less affective, you might as well just put sand in pva duhhh
I work for a building wholesaler, so if your wanting a good price on this let me know bud haha always working haha
We call that yellow grit been using it for years lol
Dammit, I've just started a new tub of bondit. 🤦
Hi Blaine i took argee with you about blue git it's not good
Agreed mate. 👍👍
Would you ever use this on a plasterboard?
Bluegrit is great if you want to come home as a smurf.
😂😂
in no way recommended but ive used good strong pva mix + bonding many a time
Blue grit is useless to thick plasterers pre grit from selco is the best grit for the price
Use this or that blah blah blah just use pva few layers it’s cheap and het it one. Tho not a full time plaster have done enough and enjoy laying on. I used to be a single coat guy but moved to 2 Coates for the better finish. I still hate ceiling tho 😂
The amount of people diluting grits with pva is shocking. Absolutely pointless , anyone with any sense knows pva goes tacky when wet so the grit is Absolutely pointless. Also seen failed blue and green grit applications. Never once seen that with just pva.
On specs it wants 24 h of drying time
I use green grit as the bits inside are a lot smaller and finer than blue grit and with green grit you can spread it further than yhe blue
Agreed mate - Green grit is decent!
That's true but the same can be said for this pre grit
Here, here. I've been telling lads for years about this product and they still dont use it! Cementones version is 2nd best. Feb is garbage.
White grit then ffs
Blue grit is so overhyped 🙄
To expensive…..
stuff's absolutely shite. No better or worse than blue grit. Slightly less thick but still an absokute mess. If you are working in domestic properties, don't bother buying it unless you're draping film all over evey surface you can find. Blue grit is also shite by the way. Put a bit of sand in your PVA. Never fails. These are expensive products that don't have a lot of coverage, are messy as fuck and are harder to apply. Plasterer
Blaine, hiya mate. My Son`s new house has old cold mix Artex on the walls in the utility room. I`m on about scrapping off the nips and loose particles and skimming it over, would you recommend this stuff for that purpose ? Cheers bloke, love ya videos. Glen West Mids UK
Yes mate that’s absolutely fine any type of grit bonding agent is good to go over artex walls and ceilings
Sometimes you might have asbestos in artex so mask up just in case at scrapping stage.
Hi mate! Yeah that’s fine but as Ian said, be careful about the Asbestos. But other than that you’re good to go! Thanks for watching mate 👍
@@Ianf1x yeah mate i know cheers, i used to do old cold and hot mix artex back in the 80`s, smelled like old lady pants putting it on, they used asbestos as a binding agent before it was banned at the end of the 90s, i`ll make sure me and lad mask up.