Botan had been already talking about her father's death for one year ago. And she was giggling at that time too... She is very strong. I remember that she was telling us a story, where her father accidentally ran over her on a car, while he was going out of the parking.
that kinda thing is scary cause we always look at our parents like "you're invincible, nothing could happen to you" and then time goes on and reality hits.. you realize they cant be with you forever and it sucks. just love em as much as you can while they're still here.
The fact that she doesn't have any trouble speaking about her father's death just proves how mature and strong Botan is, and just like what she said hope she'll keep enjoying her life everyday.
Its very weird that people think it is uncommon to talk about it. When your first parent passes away, especially if it is your father, you have to take up the responsibility to console your mother who is generally much weaker about things like this. So the buildup to the eventual demise itself is responsible to make you much more emotionally strong.
I don't know whether it is about maturity or strength. I'm 35 years old and recently my mom passed away. I still think about it from time to time, welled up sometimes. But yea, I don't mind talking about it I guess?
Man, it really puts into context those moments when Botan is just a bastion of emotional strength and support for those around her. And when things do manage to get her, it hits extra hard for everyone else.
@@syaasy99 Yea, I remember that clip, it was impossible not to cry, when Botan cried. Now, when we connect her regret of not spending more time with Coco + her father passing away at quite a young age, both situations may have the same denominator - regret of not spending more time with an important to her person. That's why, when she remembered her late father, she broke...
Speaking from experience. The pain always fades. There will reach a time when you realize that the wounds you feel are only there because you continue to grasp on to them. If you wish to heal, you need to let go and move forward.
This. This is why I love Hololive. A lot of people clamour for their adorable antics, or the mildly lewd and suggestive flirtations.. But me? I follow this company and these girls because of the absolutely beautiful way they interact with their fans. Each and every one of them. This is why I cannot pick a single one of them to adore, but instead... say they're all amazing. Praise be to every single one of these beautiful women.
not it doesn't i get what you are going for but that is bs. when someone you love so dearly passes you'll always miss the person. you just learn to live with it as life goes on.
@@coolguy845 Time does heal all wounds, but all wounds leave a scar. You'll miss your loved ones forever, but at some point your sad memories will be replaced with happy ones when they were still alive.
I also lost my father. My mother divorced him when I was about 6 years old. I got to visit him occasionally for about 2 years, then one day we stopped visiting. Turns out he fell on hard times. He turned to alcohol and his new girlfriend was not very helpful in getting him back on his feet. 5 years later I'm about 13 now, and I get a letter from my grandparents on a piece of religious parchment that has the words "he lives" printed on the top (the greatest Irony I've ever tasted). It was a message from him saying he's doing better, and he wants to see me soon. My mother said, "maybe some other time", but some other time would never come. The next month, I get the news that he was killed in a drunk driving accident. This news came a month after my stepfather's mental illness got the better of him and he took his own life. A month after my father's death, my aunt dies from cancer. Needless to say, that was a rough year for me. I don't know why I felt the need to share that. I guess Botan's story inspired me.
My uncle passed away from liver failure. He was drinking from a young age and never stopped. My aunt tried to help but couldn’t and then after a while just gave up in him. When he was hospitalized, doc told him to start eating plain foods. Aunt would put salt in his food for him without letting the doc know. In the end, he passed on Sept 2021. To this day, I dont know how he looked but what my family say, he looked bloated. I never got to see him because I didnt want to have that image of himself as the last.
ah yes that pain, My mother pass away exactly 1 year before my graduation from College and its hit my Grandpa heavily, he actually very healthy before but after he heard my mother passed away his health start declining and as I graduate few months later my Grandpa passed away and exact 1 year after that my grandma too, while it painful but at the time I also struggle to get jobs, its painful but I also need move on sooner or later.
"There no right or wrong, just different perspectives" - Botan Such deep meaning quote from Botan, almost every clip of her were just chilling and enjoying the game
My dog passed this morning, It was so painful to see him whimpering and crying in pain we tried to save him but it was too late. we had him for about 8 years now. I've been having issues on trying to focus on other things. I still cant believe he just passed suddenly its hard to move on. Maybe time help me with this.
Time will do its job. When my first dog died, it was similar to what you're describing. She was in pain, having seizures, and confused. But she also passed away surrounded by loved ones, my family and I were fortunate that we could all be there when she was put to sleep, so she wasn't ever alone. It brought me some peace. Remembering that you took care of your dog, and that he was happy with you, will help, even if thinking about it feels painful right now. Eventually the pain goes away and all you're left with are the happy memories.
I was luckier in that regard. My old dog puked soo hard his arthritis kicked in and he sat in shock until we got him in the car to the vets, liver gave out so we had him put down and sat with him to the end. Take the opportunity to really come to terms with whats happened, make sure to never forget the moment and have as many cries as you need. Remember the good times and the happiness you brought to it, and take pride in having the guts to see your fluffy family member in their final moments. Dogs find reassurance and comfort having their owners with them as they reach their last moments regardless of the nature they go out and its not something everyone can stomach, it's a horrible thing to witness but you stayed with it in its time of need. The ultimate act of love and kindness one could show. Focusing on other things will likely prove an issue for months, but after a few weeks it may be far less obstructive. All in all, share your grief with your family and friends. Give yourself plenty thinking time, crying time and rest. Everyone will have their own ways of coping, anything from a solemn oath to the afterlife to a determination for improvement.
I've lost my dad when I was 11. You just gotta keep moving forward, keep living for their sake and do the best you can. Rely on friends and family thats why you have them and know you're never alone with something like this.
Wow . She's really strong !!! It took me like 8+ years to think about my dad and not cry after he passed away . I still don't attain Father's day services tho .
It took me 2 years to recover after losing my mother, she passed while me and my siblings were trying to contact dad and get an ambulance. We were by her side, at least
These past 2 years were like illusion for me. A lot of people I thought would have been doing their daily with me gone for good. Like it's a natural thing, it just happened and no one can't stop anything. The sad thing feels heavier when you didn't apologize for what you did before they go.
She should make a song talking about how death can be solved with time, I feel like that's what I understand the most since the longer you have this feeling, the more you become susceptible against it because you can never move on, you just have to accept it as part of your life, so that's why death of someone close to you can only be solved with time... (Though I don't know Japanese to tell Botan this)
Kinda Jealous of Lamy, she got her a very strong wife that can do everything. Responding to comments like that is difficult but she made it look easy. She really is a strong and sweet person
Botan was always encourage her Viewers, the first time I see her and she started to say some Encouraging Words, somehow I feel Motivated to move on... Especially one of my Precious Family has already Left this world... But when I hear her Words, it's somehow Strengthen my Motives... And can holds what I can do until now Thank you Botan Senpai ✨👌
That must be sad, When you're thinking that your son is still alive even though he's already dead. I feel bad for their Grandmother for not knowing what happened to Botan's father.
Yeah, I think she deserves to know. If she decides to kick it, it's her decision. Eventually they have to tell her, and at that point she might not take it well.
This was just the other day, on her latest stream, and I missed out on the context. Though I had an inkling she was talking about death [of a family member] because of chat's atmosphere, and elected to offer silence. Touchy subject, death is. Still, what an eye opener. Botan... best girl, without question.
What Botan said about her grandma finding out is so true. When my dad died, we kept it a secret from my grandfather. Now this guy was pushing 90, but he's farm tough. He's legit plowing fields with buffaloes and climbing coconut trees. 2 months after finding out my dad died, grandpa died soon after.
My father drowned himself with work when my mother passed (due to cancer). I guess it was the same for me. I had to quit work to take care of her and it was a while before I was able to get back to work after her passing. Took around 6 months before I started working in the corporate world again after that.
I still have my parents but I can’t imagine what it’s like for some people to loose their parents. I have more respect for Botan than ever before for staying strong.
do you ever have those dreams where something terrible happens in them, and you forcefully wake up very shortly after? that relief of "oh thank god that wasn't real." it's like one of those dreams except you don't wake up and there's no relief
@@brenduck outwith fantasy / obviously unrealistic nightmares, no. I have had a dream about reuniting with late loved ones momentarily then waking up sad though. Dreams are pleasantly useful for bringing up memories you've forgotten, like the feeling of your old dogs fur or a hug with someone you loved.
Well yeah, sometimes they can. What I was describing earlier is how I felt after losing my dad due to a traffic accident. Not having a chance to say goodbye, the fact that he was gone so quickly, all of it just felt wrong. Felt like I kept waiting for him to get back home but it just never happened. Of course since then, I've had dreams with him in them, and it usually feels comfortable, like everything is the way it's supposed to be.
Yeah, make sure you take up the strength to make the patient more comfortable, as they usually are the ones in the most discomfort ( operations, chemo etc ). Keeping a light, joking atmosphere also helps reduce the overall gloomy feel the house gets. Speaking from personal experience.
Man it amazes me how strong Botan is emotionally I don't usually watch her but is one of my favorites the only time I remember seeing her cry was the last ark stream with Coco that was way to painful to watch not just her all the girls are a pillar for somebody that is hurting even now
What botan say is true just time can heal that hole, for me, i need like 2 week to heal from that and keep face forward with my mother, sister and brother. There is none than your family that know how it feel, people around just watch or the worst thing they judge you without know anything.
The problem is that there’s nothing that can be done in the moment but grieve… Time is the only thing that will help, but in the here and now there is only pain. I hope JP bro is doing alright.
Dealing with things like that eventually happens to us all. I've lost a number of ppl close to me. My advice is live each day like it's your last & be grateful every morning you & your loved ones wake up. Carpe diem. Oh & be sure to hug & tell your loved ones that you love them on the regular.
Seems to be a bit of misinterpretation and misinformation here. Her father passed away on 2019, the thing of not telling her Grandma was because she wasn't well, Botan says she could've died too if they weren't careful. The one that didn't tell her were them (Botan family) they decided that it was better if Botan's uncle (Her father's bro) was the one to tell her Grandma however he seemed fit In case anyone is wondering Botan talked about her family too last year, she explained how since her father passed away there was an ongoing discussion on who would keep the apartment of her grandma between Botan's mom and her uncles (As far as we know her granny is still alive and she knows her son passed away) She also mentioned her mom took it pretty hard when her husband died, her Brother is the one that took care of everything as he was the oldest of the family even tho Botan and Anilion offered help (he also doesn't visit Jp often as he lives overseas, so he came back that time)
i understand,i lost my mother at 25 years ago my mother passed away in kidney,and i at 12 year this my little 7 year,sincevthat always in alone anyvwhere i go just alone,no body care about me
Yeah it'll take some time to recover from a situation like that, it took me 3-4 year of counciling to get back on my feet from losing my father. But hey we all handle grief differently some can recover faster than other.
I really love that when she said about whether to tell their grandma about her son passing as Botan wisely said there’s no right or wrong just two perspectives Botan may make us laugh with her laughter, but she also gives us words of advice and a glimpse of her wisdom
I highly highly disagreed with that part of the story but I guess every situation and every family is different and no one has the right to judge another's choices in that regard.
@@marknc7546 in a respect sense I'd say it'd be best to tell her. But the concerns for her health are also very real and provide a solid argument for not telling. End of the day its entirely situational. Who's involved, what could it do to them, are they at risk and is it something to worry about?
It took me a long time to finally accept the fact that my dad is no longer around for two years now. If I hadn't see him suffer from an organ failure. And yet I'm still having that thought he's still around what with I'm keep having dreams he's still active for an old man and not having dementia and/or any ailments. Guess everyone has their own way to deal with grief.
My mom passed away 17 years ago and I still occasionally have dreams where she's alive and well. Sometimes when I'm first waking up and am still kinda half dreaming, I can't remember whether or not it was just a dream that she had died in the first place... It's always a little sad to have to remember that she's gone like that, but I'm grateful whenever I get to "see" her again. Picturing someone who's gone as being at their best when they show up in a dream is a sign of how much we loved them, I think
@@bena1826 dreams are wonderfully cruel in that regard. I have bad memory, but sometimes I'll dream of something, like a hug or moment I'd long forgotten the details of, and it would be extremely vivid and familiar. Waking up with the memory reinvigorated is always very lovely, but knowing its from a time never to come again hurts.
@@OnlyGrafting yeah, very bittersweet. People who are gone are gone and can't be replaced, I think that should just remind us to work towards more beautiful moments that turn into beautiful memories.
I disagree, unless the translation is wrong it just doesn't get "solved", you just learn to live with it, you get used to the pain but in no way the situation is "solved", you just feel the pain everyday and it becomes part of your daily live.
Much like an open wound. only time can recovery it. However, the bigger the gash, the bigger will be the scar, and it will never fade away after sealed. It will leave a mark. Shishiron its right. Give it time and move on.
yes i think what botan means by solved is you can keep going with your live without clinging to the problem (in this case someone death)... you will feel less pain everyday until someday you can accept reality and let go of the pain... for someone death the only real solution is that...
Solved is used because everyone will come to their own 'solution' along with time. Similar to how your 'solution' is growing and making yourself stronger to endure the pain.
Typically everyone goes through the 5 stages of grief/death. At the end you just accept what happened and move forward. In a sense the situation did get "solved" with time and acceptance of the past.
well i lost my mother when i was 10, my brother when i was 17 and a close friend when i as 22, im 29 now and even tho i do get sad when i think of them, its nowhere near like what i felt after each lost, and i agree with botan that time is what matters, you can never forget someone dear you lost but you can come to accept it
Instead of thinking that "it is sad because they left early", try thinking "It is good that they left early since life is full of suffering. Good thing they are now resting and since I'm still here, I have to suffer more for their sake."
Unless I am misunderstanding the intended timeline, the idea of not telling a grandma that their son died is so strange to me, that she could go months to years without speaking to or seeing him and that would be normal enough that she wouldn't be concerned something was wrong is such an odd concept. Either a specific situation or cultural difference.
Probably cringe as you hear it a lot that 'Time heals all wounds' But its true Lost my pops and can understand , its not that you forget or that you stop missing them Just acceptance takes time
Japan is so fucked up in many ways. I dont just mean in a "its a different culture" way. I cannot fathom not telling someone their son is dead. (im irish, my 90-something year old grandmother will live out all but one of her five sons. Thats why we have so many kids. I dont even think she has a grieving process anymore she's a pro at it). Dont worry all the daughters are still alive. Someone has to take care of the kids. Surely never seeing or hearing from him again or not knowing if he is ever going to call or not is more cruel. Or wondering what ever happened to him. Joey from trash taste told a story where he asked if someone had a pet and they replied "Maybe my cat is dead". (the cat was dead for sure). Like there is this culture of not rocking the boat or giving bad news that borders on the delusional.
It's entirely situational. My grandparents right now would take the losses of any of my close family without potential health concerns. If any of them were to start experiencing memory loss, depressive episodes or anything else that could cause gigantic stress on their body and mind it could very well ruin the little time they'd have left on this planet. Imagine if your grandparent had Alzheimers and you needed to constantly tell them of their child's death up until their last days. Or if your weak or hospitalised grandparent got depressed enough by the news their parasympathetic nervous system kicks in too well and slows their heart to a stop.
@@OnlyGrafting Isnt that mostly inventing a perfect speculative story where this would be ok? Caring for dying people is something i am very passionate about and this seems like a situation where a human is or was suffering because its easier for the living people to wait out the clock :( The process of dying does not make you stupid and that is something the young often forget for their own convenience. A mother deserves to know if her son is alive or not. Im sure she wakes up every day wondering.
They told her tho, there seems to be a mistranslation here but they didn't tell her in term of Botan's side of family, they talked and decided it was better for her uncle to break the new to her however he seemed fit because she was in a delicate state and she could've died too. This clip is probably why Botan didn't leave the stream public, she said some parts could be taken out of context so she put her behind the paywall of only members, she also said making clips it was not allowed but here we are.
It’s kinda cringe when people just send sad superchats just to get attention. Some of the vtubers have hard enough time as it is, no need to burden them more…
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Botan Papa is listening to her "pois" and giggles from Heaven now and his little cub's got 2 families to look after her.
@Yabraj Jassi wdym?
@Yabraj Jassi he is dw
She is really strong
That really hit hard bro
Botan had been already talking about her father's death for one year ago. And she was giggling at that time too... She is very strong.
I remember that she was telling us a story, where her father accidentally ran over her on a car, while he was going out of the parking.
is that true story?
@@indrahaseo yeah it’s true. She mentioned it before that her father ran her over while backing up or something like that
@@bboyhavoc is there clip about that story??
@@ultima214 The clip is " [ENG SUB] Shishiro Botan story of her crazy father [hololove]"
By "Holo FAV clip"
@@ikura2pan oh oke thanks for info
that kinda thing is scary cause we always look at our parents like "you're invincible, nothing could happen to you" and then time goes on and reality hits.. you realize they cant be with you forever and it sucks. just love em as much as you can while they're still here.
The fact that she doesn't have any trouble speaking about her father's death just proves how mature and strong Botan is, and just like what she said hope she'll keep enjoying her life everyday.
well, she is older, age-wise, than the rest of holoJP talent, including Sora.
Its very weird that people think it is uncommon to talk about it. When your first parent passes away, especially if it is your father, you have to take up the responsibility to console your mother who is generally much weaker about things like this. So the buildup to the eventual demise itself is responsible to make you much more emotionally strong.
Isn't she known to most likely be quite a bit older than most of the other holoJP people? She's probably just been through a lot more than them.
I don't know whether it is about maturity or strength. I'm 35 years old and recently my mom passed away. I still think about it from time to time, welled up sometimes. But yea, I don't mind talking about it I guess?
@@saintlarfleeze3551 Thats maturity and it would turn you into a wise and strong person.
Botan always tries to connect with her viewers on an emotional level. I respect that.
Man, it really puts into context those moments when Botan is just a bastion of emotional strength and support for those around her. And when things do manage to get her, it hits extra hard for everyone else.
Like that one time she broke during the last Ark stream with Coco
@@syaasy99 Yea, I remember that clip, it was impossible not to cry, when Botan cried. Now, when we connect her regret of not spending more time with Coco + her father passing away at quite a young age, both situations may have the same denominator - regret of not spending more time with an important to her person. That's why, when she remembered her late father, she broke...
Some can understand the phrase “time heals all wounds but for others, time actually makes them get used to the pain either way, Stay strong bruda
Hmm... over time wounds heal, but they leave scars.
Speaking from experience. The pain always fades. There will reach a time when you realize that the wounds you feel are only there because you continue to grasp on to them. If you wish to heal, you need to let go and move forward.
You just have to keep going, no matter what life throws at you. Don’t stop living your life to the fullest. Botan seems like a great friend.
But you can't even prepare your heart for such things. When it hits, it hits like a brick
@@stellviahohenheim that’s true. But you have to do your best to come to terms with it. If you dwell on the past, you’ll never go anywhere.
This. This is why I love Hololive.
A lot of people clamour for their adorable antics, or the mildly lewd and suggestive flirtations.. But me? I follow this company and these girls because of the absolutely beautiful way they interact with their fans. Each and every one of them. This is why I cannot pick a single one of them to adore, but instead... say they're all amazing.
Praise be to every single one of these beautiful women.
Time heals all wounds. Everyone handles it differently and there's no right way to go about it like she said.
not it doesn't i get what you are going for but that is bs. when someone you love so dearly passes you'll always miss the person. you just learn to live with it as life goes on.
No bro. Everything gone will never came back, just remember it and move on. Unless u forgot then yea. "Time will heal" indeed
@@coolguy845, that's what it means: wounds still leave scars, but the pain is gone as time progresses. Time heall all wounds.
nahh. Time heals most wounds. But effort heals all
@@coolguy845 Time does heal all wounds, but all wounds leave a scar. You'll miss your loved ones forever, but at some point your sad memories will be replaced with happy ones when they were still alive.
When your beloved streamer is very good at comforting her fans and making everything easier to handle....
I also lost my father. My mother divorced him when I was about 6 years old. I got to visit him occasionally for about 2 years, then one day we stopped visiting. Turns out he fell on hard times. He turned to alcohol and his new girlfriend was not very helpful in getting him back on his feet. 5 years later I'm about 13 now, and I get a letter from my grandparents on a piece of religious parchment that has the words "he lives" printed on the top (the greatest Irony I've ever tasted). It was a message from him saying he's doing better, and he wants to see me soon. My mother said, "maybe some other time", but some other time would never come. The next month, I get the news that he was killed in a drunk driving accident. This news came a month after my stepfather's mental illness got the better of him and he took his own life. A month after my father's death, my aunt dies from cancer. Needless to say, that was a rough year for me. I don't know why I felt the need to share that. I guess Botan's story inspired me.
My uncle passed away from liver failure. He was drinking from a young age and never stopped. My aunt tried to help but couldn’t and then after a while just gave up in him.
When he was hospitalized, doc told him to start eating plain foods. Aunt would put salt in his food for him without letting the doc know.
In the end, he passed on Sept 2021.
To this day, I dont know how he looked but what my family say, he looked bloated. I never got to see him because I didnt want to have that image of himself as the last.
Dam that sucks I'm sorry your mom never let you visit him.
Hopefully he can rest peacefully now.
ah yes that pain, My mother pass away exactly 1 year before my graduation from College and its hit my Grandpa heavily, he actually very healthy before but after he heard my mother passed away his health start declining and as I graduate few months later my Grandpa passed away and exact 1 year after that my grandma too, while it painful but at the time I also struggle to get jobs, its painful but I also need move on sooner or later.
"There no right or wrong, just different perspectives" - Botan
Such deep meaning quote from Botan, almost every clip of her were just chilling and enjoying the game
Clip is on another level, thank you for the Botan pearl, she sometimes dispense these real life moments, not everyone clips them.
My dog passed this morning, It was so painful to see him whimpering and crying in pain we tried to save him but it was too late. we had him for about 8 years now. I've been having issues on trying to focus on other things. I still cant believe he just passed suddenly its hard to move on. Maybe time help me with this.
also my condolences to the guy who had a loss, I wish him the best on his life
Time will do its job. When my first dog died, it was similar to what you're describing. She was in pain, having seizures, and confused. But she also passed away surrounded by loved ones, my family and I were fortunate that we could all be there when she was put to sleep, so she wasn't ever alone. It brought me some peace. Remembering that you took care of your dog, and that he was happy with you, will help, even if thinking about it feels painful right now. Eventually the pain goes away and all you're left with are the happy memories.
I was luckier in that regard. My old dog puked soo hard his arthritis kicked in and he sat in shock until we got him in the car to the vets, liver gave out so we had him put down and sat with him to the end. Take the opportunity to really come to terms with whats happened, make sure to never forget the moment and have as many cries as you need. Remember the good times and the happiness you brought to it, and take pride in having the guts to see your fluffy family member in their final moments. Dogs find reassurance and comfort having their owners with them as they reach their last moments regardless of the nature they go out and its not something everyone can stomach, it's a horrible thing to witness but you stayed with it in its time of need. The ultimate act of love and kindness one could show.
Focusing on other things will likely prove an issue for months, but after a few weeks it may be far less obstructive.
All in all, share your grief with your family and friends. Give yourself plenty thinking time, crying time and rest. Everyone will have their own ways of coping, anything from a solemn oath to the afterlife to a determination for improvement.
thanks guys for the advice, I wish you all the best
I've lost my dad when I was 11. You just gotta keep moving forward, keep living for their sake and do the best you can. Rely on friends and family thats why you have them and know you're never alone with something like this.
I feel sad for botan senpai 😭😔
Wow . She's really strong !!! It took me like 8+ years to think about my dad and not cry after he passed away . I still don't attain Father's day services tho .
It took me 2 years to recover after losing my mother, she passed while me and my siblings were trying to contact dad and get an ambulance. We were by her side, at least
These past 2 years were like illusion for me. A lot of people I thought would have been doing their daily with me gone for good. Like it's a natural thing, it just happened and no one can't stop anything.
The sad thing feels heavier when you didn't apologize for what you did before they go.
She should make a song talking about how death can be solved with time, I feel like that's what I understand the most since the longer you have this feeling, the more you become susceptible against it because you can never move on, you just have to accept it as part of your life, so that's why death of someone close to you can only be solved with time...
(Though I don't know Japanese to tell Botan this)
Kinda Jealous of Lamy, she got her a very strong wife that can do everything. Responding to comments like that is difficult but she made it look easy. She really is a strong and sweet person
botan is so mature its insane, ive heard shes one of the older members if not the oldest member in hololive though so it makes sense
That just makes her better, like a fine wine.
I admire Botan for being a strong person, but even someone like that can get sad. She's very mature, I love that about her too.
Botan was always encourage her Viewers, the first time I see her and she started to say some Encouraging Words, somehow I feel Motivated to move on... Especially one of my Precious Family has already Left this world... But when I hear her Words, it's somehow Strengthen my Motives... And can holds what I can do until now
Thank you Botan Senpai ✨👌
That must be sad, When you're thinking that your son is still alive even though he's already dead. I feel bad for their Grandmother for not knowing what happened to Botan's father.
Yeah, I think she deserves to know. If she decides to kick it, it's her decision. Eventually they have to tell her, and at that point she might not take it well.
@@pite9 Fairly sure she knows by now, that happened a long time ago already.
This was just the other day, on her latest stream, and I missed out on the context. Though I had an inkling she was talking about death [of a family member] because of chat's atmosphere, and elected to offer silence. Touchy subject, death is. Still, what an eye opener. Botan... best girl, without question.
What Botan said about her grandma finding out is so true.
When my dad died, we kept it a secret from my grandfather.
Now this guy was pushing 90, but he's farm tough. He's legit plowing fields with buffaloes and climbing coconut trees. 2 months after finding out my dad died, grandpa died soon after.
Passed by a broken heart ;_;
Thank you for translating this, so that moments like these won't be lost on us.
My father drowned himself with work when my mother passed (due to cancer). I guess it was the same for me. I had to quit work to take care of her and it was a while before I was able to get back to work after her passing. Took around 6 months before I started working in the corporate world again after that.
2 months since I lost mine. It's still not the same but each day is slightly easier than the last.
RIP Botan's papa, your daughter is truly a magnificent person.
I still have my parents but I can’t imagine what it’s like for some people to loose their parents. I have more respect for Botan than ever before for staying strong.
do you ever have those dreams where something terrible happens in them, and you forcefully wake up very shortly after? that relief of "oh thank god that wasn't real." it's like one of those dreams except you don't wake up and there's no relief
@@brenduck outwith fantasy / obviously unrealistic nightmares, no. I have had a dream about reuniting with late loved ones momentarily then waking up sad though. Dreams are pleasantly useful for bringing up memories you've forgotten, like the feeling of your old dogs fur or a hug with someone you loved.
Well yeah, sometimes they can. What I was describing earlier is how I felt after losing my dad due to a traffic accident. Not having a chance to say goodbye, the fact that he was gone so quickly, all of it just felt wrong. Felt like I kept waiting for him to get back home but it just never happened. Of course since then, I've had dreams with him in them, and it usually feels comfortable, like everything is the way it's supposed to be.
I feel an overwhelming sense of dread thinking my parents may pass at least once a day
Botan is a ray of sunshine. She's so strong and wise
botan is so mature
0:57 Oh hey my other account was shown in the chat...
1:42 And another one appeared...
this is...oddly well timed i guess as one of my family member got diagnosed with stage 4 cancer
stay strong dude, cancer is a bitch
Yeah, make sure you take up the strength to make the patient more comfortable, as they usually are the ones in the most discomfort ( operations, chemo etc ). Keeping a light, joking atmosphere also helps reduce the overall gloomy feel the house gets. Speaking from personal experience.
Man it amazes me how strong Botan is emotionally I don't usually watch her but is one of my favorites the only time I remember seeing her cry was the last ark stream with Coco that was way to painful to watch not just her all the girls are a pillar for somebody that is hurting even now
Botan is the definition of the borderline between a sociopath and sheer strong will
What botan say is true just time can heal that hole, for me, i need like 2 week to heal from that and keep face forward with my mother, sister and brother.
There is none than your family that know how it feel, people around just watch or the worst thing they judge you without know anything.
The problem is that there’s nothing that can be done in the moment but grieve… Time is the only thing that will help, but in the here and now there is only pain. I hope JP bro is doing alright.
cute botan. that's a heavy experience to go through.
Botan papa from heaven : do 360 no scope my daughter... its your destiny
Jesus, I hope someday to be even half as strong as Botan is
Classic literature says that "a parent should not see his child die, the child should see the parent die"
Her mentality is very strong and that's what I like about her.
theres something really comforting about her laughing at his brothers death
Dealing with things like that eventually happens to us all. I've lost a number of ppl close to me. My advice is live each day like it's your last & be grateful every morning you & your loved ones wake up. Carpe diem. Oh & be sure to hug & tell your loved ones that you love them on the regular.
I know it's hard topic but I can relate.. I took about 3 month to stand on my feet
Seems to be a bit of misinterpretation and misinformation here.
Her father passed away on 2019, the thing of not telling her Grandma was because she wasn't well, Botan says she could've died too if they weren't careful.
The one that didn't tell her were them (Botan family) they decided that it was better if Botan's uncle (Her father's bro) was the one to tell her Grandma however he seemed fit
In case anyone is wondering Botan talked about her family too last year, she explained how since her father passed away there was an ongoing discussion on who would keep the apartment of her grandma between Botan's mom and her uncles (As far as we know her granny is still alive and she knows her son passed away)
She also mentioned her mom took it pretty hard when her husband died, her Brother is the one that took care of everything as he was the oldest of the family even tho Botan and Anilion offered help (he also doesn't visit Jp often as he lives overseas, so he came back that time)
i understand,i lost my mother at 25 years ago my mother passed away in kidney,and i at 12 year this my little 7 year,sincevthat always in alone anyvwhere i go just alone,no body care about me
indeed, she is wise lion.
i'm so sorry about both your losses.
Yeah it'll take some time to recover from a situation like that, it took me 3-4 year of counciling to get back on my feet from losing my father. But hey we all handle grief differently some can recover faster than other.
i hope the best for him, be strong my bro
Everything will get better. Stay strong!
I really love that when she said about whether to tell their grandma about her son passing as Botan wisely said there’s no right or wrong just two perspectives
Botan may make us laugh with her laughter, but she also gives us words of advice and a glimpse of her wisdom
I highly highly disagreed with that part of the story but I guess every situation and every family is different and no one has the right to judge another's choices in that regard.
@@marknc7546 in a respect sense I'd say it'd be best to tell her. But the concerns for her health are also very real and provide a solid argument for not telling. End of the day its entirely situational. Who's involved, what could it do to them, are they at risk and is it something to worry about?
Botan is so damn strong
RIP Mufasa
It took me a long time to finally accept the fact that my dad is no longer around for two years now. If I hadn't see him suffer from an organ failure.
And yet I'm still having that thought he's still around what with I'm keep having dreams he's still active for an old man and not having dementia and/or any ailments.
Guess everyone has their own way to deal with grief.
My mom passed away 17 years ago and I still occasionally have dreams where she's alive and well.
Sometimes when I'm first waking up and am still kinda half dreaming, I can't remember whether or not it was just a dream that she had died in the first place...
It's always a little sad to have to remember that she's gone like that, but I'm grateful whenever I get to "see" her again.
Picturing someone who's gone as being at their best when they show up in a dream is a sign of how much we loved them, I think
@@bena1826 dreams are wonderfully cruel in that regard. I have bad memory, but sometimes I'll dream of something, like a hug or moment I'd long forgotten the details of, and it would be extremely vivid and familiar. Waking up with the memory reinvigorated is always very lovely, but knowing its from a time never to come again hurts.
@@bena1826 Loved and missed.
@@OnlyGrafting yeah, very bittersweet. People who are gone are gone and can't be replaced, I think that should just remind us to work towards more beautiful moments that turn into beautiful memories.
It took botan a week 🤔 took me about the same or less with my grandpa 😳
She strong just like her character
for a sec i have a mini heart attack thought botan's brother have passed away
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I disagree, unless the translation is wrong it just doesn't get "solved", you just learn to live with it, you get used to the pain but in no way the situation is "solved", you just feel the pain everyday and it becomes part of your daily live.
Much like an open wound. only time can recovery it. However, the bigger the gash, the bigger will be the scar, and it will never fade away after sealed. It will leave a mark. Shishiron its right. Give it time and move on.
yes i think what botan means by solved is you can keep going with your live without clinging to the problem (in this case someone death)... you will feel less pain everyday until someday you can accept reality and let go of the pain... for someone death the only real solution is that...
Solved is used because everyone will come to their own 'solution' along with time.
Similar to how your 'solution' is growing and making yourself stronger to endure the pain.
Typically everyone goes through the 5 stages of grief/death. At the end you just accept what happened and move forward. In a sense the situation did get "solved" with time and acceptance of the past.
well i lost my mother when i was 10, my brother when i was 17 and a close friend when i as 22, im 29 now and even tho i do get sad when i think of them, its nowhere near like what i felt after each lost, and i agree with botan that time is what matters, you can never forget someone dear you lost but you can come to accept it
Hope mama Botan found piece
...imagine not knowing one of your sons have passed away. I dunno. I would tell her. That seems cruel.
i'd build my brother a hololive shrine
Instead of thinking that "it is sad because they left early", try thinking "It is good that they left early since life is full of suffering. Good thing they are now resting and since I'm still here, I have to suffer more for their sake."
Unless I am misunderstanding the intended timeline, the idea of not telling a grandma that their son died is so strange to me, that she could go months to years without speaking to or seeing him and that would be normal enough that she wouldn't be concerned something was wrong is such an odd concept. Either a specific situation or cultural difference.
Botan said her grandma condition not great. Her grandma probably already suffer memory loss/distortion.
speak from my family experience btw.
Probably cringe as you hear it a lot that 'Time heals all wounds' But its true
Lost my pops and can understand , its not that you forget or that you stop missing them
Just acceptance takes time
Japan is so fucked up in many ways. I dont just mean in a "its a different culture" way. I cannot fathom not telling someone their son is dead. (im irish, my 90-something year old grandmother will live out all but one of her five sons. Thats why we have so many kids. I dont even think she has a grieving process anymore she's a pro at it). Dont worry all the daughters are still alive. Someone has to take care of the kids.
Surely never seeing or hearing from him again or not knowing if he is ever going to call or not is more cruel. Or wondering what ever happened to him. Joey from trash taste told a story where he asked if someone had a pet and they replied "Maybe my cat is dead". (the cat was dead for sure). Like there is this culture of not rocking the boat or giving bad news that borders on the delusional.
It's entirely situational. My grandparents right now would take the losses of any of my close family without potential health concerns. If any of them were to start experiencing memory loss, depressive episodes or anything else that could cause gigantic stress on their body and mind it could very well ruin the little time they'd have left on this planet. Imagine if your grandparent had Alzheimers and you needed to constantly tell them of their child's death up until their last days. Or if your weak or hospitalised grandparent got depressed enough by the news their parasympathetic nervous system kicks in too well and slows their heart to a stop.
@@OnlyGrafting Isnt that mostly inventing a perfect speculative story where this would be ok?
Caring for dying people is something i am very passionate about and this seems like a situation where a human is or was suffering because its easier for the living people to wait out the clock :(
The process of dying does not make you stupid and that is something the young often forget for their own convenience. A mother deserves to know if her son is alive or not. Im sure she wakes up every day wondering.
They told her tho, there seems to be a mistranslation here but they didn't tell her in term of Botan's side of family, they talked and decided it was better for her uncle to break the new to her however he seemed fit because she was in a delicate state and she could've died too.
This clip is probably why Botan didn't leave the stream public, she said some parts could be taken out of context so she put her behind the paywall of only members, she also said making clips it was not allowed but here we are.
:)
Christ
does her dad even know botan as vtuber?
Poi
It’s kinda cringe when people just send sad superchats just to get attention. Some of the vtubers have hard enough time as it is, no need to burden them more…
I get the feeling too still not use to it my father passed away the beginning of this year