I won't sell my 07 Saab 9-3 Aero wagon 6spd manual because I'll never be able to buy a new wagon with a manual. It was my daily for 11 years and 176k miles. My biggest expense has been the AC compressor, and it lasted 13 years.
I daily my 981 Cayman and it’s extremely affordable because I work on it myself and service it myself. I would not be able to afford the car if I depended on service centers or Porsche dealerships. Doing shit myself also allows me to make sure everything was done right and good quality fluids and hardware was used
This last point is underrated and important. Just because a dealer services it doesn't mean they use manufacturer recommended fluids. I use specialty independent shops (including ours, so I know exactly what is going in my car!), and Tyler is that "annoying" customer who provides his own fluids to the shop. Maybe that's why neither of our 911s have bore scoring....maybe?
Damn, I've been daily driving a 2004 Dodge Viper for 3 summers (18-22k miles per summer) And it's been tires and oil changes. Only item in 3 years was a water pump (it was the original @99k miles) Cheap thrills...
Those tend to be the same across all cars, with slight variations, so we kept it just to maintenance costs. Plus who has time to save every fuel receipt...
Your numbers are way off then, you might be averaging 20 cents a mile in gas alone, on the 911, and insurance could be 30 cents (assuming $150/m driving 500 miles)
XF Sportbrake is great. The only issue is plastic coolant hoses that need to be replaced to avoid overheating and comparing to IMS issues or 968 maintenance - it is a piece of cake
Isuzu developed a V12 engine in the late 80's with plans to join F1, replacing the Lamborghini engines in the Lotus, and actually tested it in a Lotus F1 dev mule. Isuzu and Lotus had close ties in the 80's. The F1 thing eventually fell apart, along with Lotus F1, so they developed a supercar to run their new V12. I think the car was called the 4200R. I remember pictures of it, it was very "of its time" but wouldn't really have looked out of place in the early 90's.
I haven't watched the video yet, but with new cars getting so big, heavy and the popularity of SUVs, a lot of sports cars from 10/15 years ago aren't that expensive to run when it comes to basic maintenance. Just look at a base Cayenne, it has 295 rear tires, Hyundai Santa Fe has 235, Chevy Blazer 235 as wheel. And that's on 20 inch wheels, a set of tires will basically run you $1K.
Bought a 2008 Cayman base with 83k, have put 134k on it daily driving it in 2 yrs. New water pump, rotors, pads, AOS, tires, and SS lines and plenty of oil changes - only 93 gas. Averaging $1.39 CPM.
@@SonicProvocateur yes your post made no sense then! I read it as you ADDED 134k miles in two years. Also it seems you're off by a decimal point, as $7149/51k miles is 0.14 per mile.
My buddy's cost per mile on his 1964 E-Type Jag is about the same as the GDP of a 3rd world country, according to him. But since he avoids slow horses and fast women, he says he can afford it. My daily is a GR86 and my only expenses are gas, tires, brakes, oil changes, and track fees.
My 2013 GX460 cost me 17.5cpm over 4yr of ownership. Had the transmission not crapped the bed, that would have been 7.5cpm! That's the gamble of buying high milage vehicles (133k at purchase).
I like the power train on my Prius. The power split device cvt really is neat. Also I bought tires and got an alignment and had to replace the condensor after my sister in law ran over a truck tire on the freeway and it was still about 1200 dollars in maintenance....
@@z50king29 I don't. I'm just commenting that I've never ever heard anyone be excited about any type of cvt. They are typically universally disliked by mechanics and gearheads alike.
Nope. This is a maintenance cost calculation only. Fuel and insurance are as close to fixed costs as you can get, as they are pretty similar across all vehicles. Depreciation is only really calculable once the car is sold. Until then it’s a best guess estimate, and some of our cars have appreciated!
Yeah this is what people need to do when getting into the hobby so they'll see when to need to let a car go. I know a dude who had a manual W8 Passat Wagon that he got for free from an older couple that were fed up with it, and he in 2-3 years of ownership he spent about 26k trying to get it "perfect". It was the one of the biggest money pits I've ever seen relating to cars, it was a freaking lemon but he refused to let it go because it's so rare and it'll be worth it one day...spoiler it wouldn't be because an electrical short sent that car back to hell.
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only if you plan on owning the M4 with a warranty. That difference in price will go quick when the first repair bill comes up. Not to mention it’s no fun spending time at the mechanic when you could be driving instead
@ false. Had an m4 for over 40k miles. It never once saw a bmw dealership, routine fluid changes by myself. And have known countless others who have had zero issues. This whole BMW vs Toyota reliability thing is extremely overblown and you end up overpaying for an extraordinarily below average car just for the sake of saving a potential $1000 a year in repairs. I say this as someone who was closely related to an rc350 owner which has several issues during ownership.
brother please realize that your personal experience is not reflective of the companies as a whole. Any consumer report will show that BMW has the highest ownership cost among common car brands. They’ve earned their terrible reputation
I won't sell my 07 Saab 9-3 Aero wagon 6spd manual because I'll never be able to buy a new wagon with a manual. It was my daily for 11 years and 176k miles. My biggest expense has been the AC compressor, and it lasted 13 years.
I daily my 981 Cayman and it’s extremely affordable because I work on it myself and service it myself. I would not be able to afford the car if I depended on service centers or Porsche dealerships. Doing shit myself also allows me to make sure everything was done right and good quality fluids and hardware was used
This last point is underrated and important. Just because a dealer services it doesn't mean they use manufacturer recommended fluids. I use specialty independent shops (including ours, so I know exactly what is going in my car!), and Tyler is that "annoying" customer who provides his own fluids to the shop. Maybe that's why neither of our 911s have bore scoring....maybe?
my 06 987c? 4300 miles, cpm: $1.83 just in 7 months
Damn, I've been daily driving a 2004 Dodge Viper for 3 summers (18-22k miles per summer)
And it's been tires and oil changes. Only item in 3 years was a water pump (it was the original @99k miles)
Cheap thrills...
Strong work! Bet that's been some super enjoyable miles!
I would include fuel and insurance costs in the number.
Those tend to be the same across all cars, with slight variations, so we kept it just to maintenance costs. Plus who has time to save every fuel receipt...
Thats just depressing @switchcars 😅
@@switchcars 🙋♂️ hi, I am going to film myself adding up all my fuel receipts. I keep them.
Your numbers are way off then, you might be averaging 20 cents a mile in gas alone, on the 911, and insurance could be 30 cents (assuming $150/m driving 500 miles)
@@lucas.duffeynot if we measure them the same on all of our cars. It’s easy enough to make an adjustment for gas and insurance.
XF Sportbrake is great. The only issue is plastic coolant hoses that need to be replaced to avoid overheating and comparing to IMS issues or 968 maintenance - it is a piece of cake
I really want one as a family car but can't convince my wife that she wants one.
@ just let her drive one. That helped when I bought XFR-S and let my wife drive it to work once :)
Everyone rags on Alfas. My Giulia hasn't been a problem and has run reliably since 2018.
Isuzu developed a V12 engine in the late 80's with plans to join F1, replacing the Lamborghini engines in the Lotus, and actually tested it in a Lotus F1 dev mule. Isuzu and Lotus had close ties in the 80's. The F1 thing eventually fell apart, along with Lotus F1, so they developed a supercar to run their new V12. I think the car was called the 4200R. I remember pictures of it, it was very "of its time" but wouldn't really have looked out of place in the early 90's.
I haven't watched the video yet, but with new cars getting so big, heavy and the popularity of SUVs, a lot of sports cars from 10/15 years ago aren't that expensive to run when it comes to basic maintenance. Just look at a base Cayenne, it has 295 rear tires, Hyundai Santa Fe has 235, Chevy Blazer 235 as wheel. And that's on 20 inch wheels, a set of tires will basically run you $1K.
Bought a 2008 Cayman base with 83k, have put 134k on it daily driving it in 2 yrs. New water pump, rotors, pads, AOS, tires, and SS lines and plenty of oil changes - only 93 gas. Averaging $1.39 CPM.
Wow, so it's cost you $93,000/yr to daily a Cayman? Also that's a TON of miles!
😂😂 Sorry, 93 octane. The secret is LiquiMoly Mos2. That 2.7 is a reliable little lump!
@@SonicProvocateurright but at $1.39/mile, times 134k miles divided by two…that’s $93k/year. Did I miss something?
Oh, I did my math wrong then. I divided my total expenses ($7149) by the mileage I had put on in 2 years (51k) to get $1.39.
@@SonicProvocateur yes your post made no sense then! I read it as you ADDED 134k miles in two years. Also it seems you're off by a decimal point, as $7149/51k miles is 0.14 per mile.
My buddy's cost per mile on his 1964 E-Type Jag is about the same as the GDP of a 3rd world country, according to him. But since he avoids slow horses and fast women, he says he can afford it. My daily is a GR86 and my only expenses are gas, tires, brakes, oil changes, and track fees.
My 2013 GX460 cost me 17.5cpm over 4yr of ownership. Had the transmission not crapped the bed, that would have been 7.5cpm! That's the gamble of buying high milage vehicles (133k at purchase).
Lexus FTW!
I like the power train on my Prius. The power split device cvt really is neat. Also I bought tires and got an alignment and had to replace the condensor after my sister in law ran over a truck tire on the freeway and it was still about 1200 dollars in maintenance....
I don’t know that I’ve ever heard anyone say that they loved a CVT. Ever.
@switchcars do you know how the Toyota ecvt works? No belts anywhere under the hood
@@z50king29 I don't. I'm just commenting that I've never ever heard anyone be excited about any type of cvt. They are typically universally disliked by mechanics and gearheads alike.
@@switchcars the Toyota model is different. It was designed by E&M engineers before mechanical engineers. Check it out
Did you factor in depreciation, fuel, insurance, etc,?
Nope. This is a maintenance cost calculation only. Fuel and insurance are as close to fixed costs as you can get, as they are pretty similar across all vehicles. Depreciation is only really calculable once the car is sold. Until then it’s a best guess estimate, and some of our cars have appreciated!
Yeah this is what people need to do when getting into the hobby so they'll see when to need to let a car go.
I know a dude who had a manual W8 Passat Wagon that he got for free from an older couple that were fed up with it, and he in 2-3 years of ownership he spent about 26k trying to get it "perfect". It was the one of the biggest money pits I've ever seen relating to cars, it was a freaking lemon but he refused to let it go because it's so rare and it'll be worth it one day...spoiler it wouldn't be because an electrical short sent that car back to hell.
That’s a cool car, but even I know better than to saddle myself with that burden. I want to want one, same as I want to want a 2006 Range Rover Sport.
Show a picture of the cars for f sakes
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05 sl55… the suspicion hydraulic line blew… I don’t wanna talk about the cost 😅 it’s still broke I’m trying to fix it
Sorry for your loss. Pray you never have a top hydraulic issue either
@ if that happens it’s a hard top and that whole things get drained 😂
I miss the live show.
Your 997 is beautiful
Buy yourself a Lexus RCF if you really want a sports car. Guaranteed to be more reliable than any American or European economy car.
An m4 is a much better buy for even less money. Spend the difference on any “repairs”
only if you plan on owning the M4 with a warranty. That difference in price will go quick when the first repair bill comes up. Not to mention it’s no fun spending time at the mechanic when you could be driving instead
@ false. Had an m4 for over 40k miles. It never once saw a bmw dealership, routine fluid changes by myself. And have known countless others who have had zero issues. This whole BMW vs Toyota reliability thing is extremely overblown and you end up overpaying for an extraordinarily below average car just for the sake of saving a potential $1000 a year in repairs. I say this as someone who was closely related to an rc350 owner which has several issues during ownership.
I realize that cars are getting heavier in general, but I have trouble referring to anything that weighs two tons as a sports car.
brother please realize that your personal experience is not reflective of the companies as a whole. Any consumer report will show that BMW has the highest ownership cost among common car brands. They’ve earned their terrible reputation
How much did your boat cost you Doug ?
Cheap, until the motor goes.