WHAT HAPPENED to our Defense?? | Madden 25 Franchise Rebuild Ep.20

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  • Опубликовано: 3 фев 2025

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  • @jakefromstatefarm1405
    @jakefromstatefarm1405 9 дней назад +216

    End of games are so bad, nobody would mind you just took control and made the correct scenario happen (win or lose)

    • @MrHurriicaneLP
      @MrHurriicaneLP  9 дней назад +115

      I may have to consider actually getting into the games here for clock purposes. I could still stop the clock and supersim a kick. And I wouldn't mind just coach suggesting on D and trying to minimize my impact.

    • @xJownage
      @xJownage 9 дней назад +82

      @@MrHurriicaneLP PLEASE do this. I know there's a certain degree of authenticity that you want to maintain with the way you operate these series', but as long as you're not usering players to gain an advantage you absolutely should be trying to fix the functions of the game to a level of realism to match that of the intention of the series.
      Truthfully, if you want to call yourself a coach and therefore make decisions (going for it, etc) at certain situations, you should have that right. But regardless of whether or not you do that, fixing the clock situation and logic would be a no-brainer as far as i'm concerned, and I think i can speak for a lot of people who watch this series that nobody would have a problem with you taking control in 2 minute drills so every game isn't a bears on thanksgiving scenario.

    • @tommygorilla1260
      @tommygorilla1260 9 дней назад +16

      @MrHurriicaneLP you can also go into the settings and turn on the coach mode that allows you to choose the plays but once you snap the ball the AI takes over and makes the decisions.

    • @Frostypower
      @Frostypower 9 дней назад +7

      The CPU don't get that advantage, though. You can just jump in and put on no huddle without calling a play

    • @brendan7030ify
      @brendan7030ify 9 дней назад +20

      ⁠@@MrHurriicaneLPgiving yourself that unfair advantage over the cpu would really hurt the series for me imo. Both sides deal with the same stuff, whether you like it or not its even. Even if you were able to do it for both sides it just gets into a weird territory I don’t think this series needs

  • @beastteen1404
    @beastteen1404 9 дней назад +71

    Cane, earlier in the video: I think we have a very fun defense that continues to get better
    Cane after Steelers and Cowboys games: What is wrong with the defense

  • @janitorjams2091
    @janitorjams2091 9 дней назад +40

    We've got the sad interception music, now we just need the sad clock management music

  • @mespn520
    @mespn520 9 дней назад +49

    Yeah, might need to look at TEs. Easley is good, but he's hurt all the time.

  • @Kidsofthecorn123
    @Kidsofthecorn123 9 дней назад +34

    i think having Walker inside isnt as great as yoou think it is. He can be versatile irl like some 3 tech on passing downs but being a 3 tech on first thru 3rd down bc they consider nickel a 3rd down defense limits the entire defenses upside and Walker being more power oriented means hes matching up more often with players that have a power skill set on OL vs more finesse at the edge

  • @liamgesus312
    @liamgesus312 9 дней назад +15

    I run a sim based franchise just like this, and I've had a lot of success with player rotations. Turn off progress fatigue, then set the fatigue slider to 85-90. Finally, set auto subs around 80 out 84 in. Hope this can help.

  • @MackeyD3
    @MackeyD3 9 дней назад +38

    I don't think its worth extending Easley. He's good but not great, and you could save the money to attack a more valuable position like OL and maybe draft someone or trust Wilder. Might be worth looking at trading him and maybe even arrington if he doesnt want to resign, if the season is looking bad

  • @wrtrext
    @wrtrext 9 дней назад +45

    I went through a defense playbook and removed any play that looked like it was invert. Getting beat like that sucks.

  • @Investigativeevents
    @Investigativeevents 9 дней назад +59

    Spoiler blocker + Boring Saturday no more!

    • @KaraKubed
      @KaraKubed 9 дней назад +2

      risked a spoiler just to like your comment thank you good internet stranger🫡

    • @RonnieG
      @RonnieG 8 дней назад

  • @gavinwhalen6124
    @gavinwhalen6124 9 дней назад +4

    the episode got so unhinged at the end it was elite

  • @ErixNepyans-bv7gf
    @ErixNepyans-bv7gf 9 дней назад +10

    Your Chicago game quiz ..definitely take the points. A TD and a 2 pt is tough for the other team.

  • @wrtrext
    @wrtrext 9 дней назад +17

    Cane, the CPU hasn't spiked the ball in years.

    • @MrHurriicaneLP
      @MrHurriicaneLP  9 дней назад +13

      Can't stand this hurry up nonsense

    • @wrtrext
      @wrtrext 9 дней назад +3

      @@MrHurriicaneLPI sometimes hate watching my own slow sims because of that stuff. The decision making in overtime isn’t better. The team just needs a field goal to win and are inside the red zone with under a minute left. CPU: “hmmm I think I’m going to pass the ball some more” 🙄

    • @FootballGamerDad
      @FootballGamerDad 7 дней назад

      😂

  • @Dran_Kito
    @Dran_Kito 9 дней назад +8

    Well, at least Benji got his ypc up to a respectable number. Hopefully the team can play a little more consistent and not invert their cover 2 shells.

  • @dexterelliott2767
    @dexterelliott2767 9 дней назад +13

    Games like that texans one make me think you need to force win in the menu sometimes, frustrating to lose like that so often.

  • @ThatMidnightRambler
    @ThatMidnightRambler 9 дней назад +5

    More anticipated than championship sunday

  • @fynnthielmeyer6317
    @fynnthielmeyer6317 9 дней назад

    this is my favorite series right now. I haven't felt so connected to one of your teams in a while

  • @kennethaucoin2046
    @kennethaucoin2046 9 дней назад +2

    What is great about this games development system is the dev trait upgrades. I drafted a QB in my Saints franchise and he had normal dev. After 2.5 years he was up to X Factor. Really made me fall in love with the player and not care too much about what the dev is at time of drafting.

  • @hey1784
    @hey1784 9 дней назад +2

    As a Jags fan since 1995, this feels like a Jags team alright.

  • @oddgems5905
    @oddgems5905 9 дней назад +6

    That Texans game was lost because we decided to not use our power back on 3 & 1. It would've not have given Houston time to score.

  • @vvhn28
    @vvhn28 8 дней назад +1

    I think Joe Johnson might play better as a power back archetype. Just feel it might help him get downhill faster and use his speed and power.

  • @ErixNepyans-bv7gf
    @ErixNepyans-bv7gf 9 дней назад +13

    I would trade Arrington at the deadline. He doesn't want to comeback.
    Give you a chance to develop Mccaffery and Tuck. Plus you could get a WR early in the draft. Or a much cheaper free agent in the offseason.
    Arrington has to too much prima donna in him too.

  • @caelonstecker9822
    @caelonstecker9822 9 дней назад +2

    41:09 benji lookin like prime Leveon bell for a sec

  • @dereklopez6972
    @dereklopez6972 9 дней назад +5

    If you make a defensive playbook, only use the defensive formations from that original playbook or it gets wonky in slow sim. I find the Bengals playbook is nice since it has 4-3 with a 3-4 formation in it.

  • @StateoftheFranchiseGaming
    @StateoftheFranchiseGaming 9 дней назад +1

    Aubrey nailed the longest FG in Jaguars history breaking a record previously set in 2010 to beat the Colts by Josh Scobee (59 yards)

  • @tiebreakeralveolar7978
    @tiebreakeralveolar7978 9 дней назад +2

    Obviously the young secondary needs a long look, but it almost felt like, at least early on, like our defense/team in general had the same issue the mid 90's oilers had, that being that our one dimensional offense led to a lot of 3 and outs, and a lot of our defense being stranded on the field which led to them giving up a lot of big plays. hopefully with the change at center and our rushing attack improving it changes.

  • @Lucasthecoolcat
    @Lucasthecoolcat 9 дней назад +1

    Chuck has been so good

  • @alexcuculici6065
    @alexcuculici6065 9 дней назад +1

    I know it’s unrealistic for the nfl, but the baseball fan in me is itching for platooning o line based on what you need. Guys like swain and siezckowski are such good pass blockers and bigby was a legit upgrade as a run blocker

  • @megsnowbird
    @megsnowbird 8 дней назад

    funny madden ai moment around 13:47 - the bears traded etienne for logan wilson and a 7th round pick, and then immediately turned around and released wilson. that's just solid gming right there.

  • @mpoirier0329
    @mpoirier0329 9 дней назад +1

    As a Bears fan, that Bears offense was very realistic to real life. And that's in spite of how far into this you are. So many screens and short passes...

  • @CASEMSTR
    @CASEMSTR 9 дней назад

    8:23 the most accurate play I've ever seen in Madden

  • @Greg_the_eggg
    @Greg_the_eggg 9 дней назад

    I know the defense hasn’t been great but Devin Lloyd has been an absolute monster this whole series, another insane play today

  • @matthyrkas8106
    @matthyrkas8106 9 дней назад +2

    Shoutout to Aubrey & that 62 yarder.

  • @travisakerson8589
    @travisakerson8589 7 дней назад

    Keep crushing it Cane! I thi k it's cool if ypu manage the clock under 2 mins...don't think it will detract from what you're doing here!

  • @frenchy2323
    @frenchy2323 9 дней назад

    Was not expecting these to be the Jags problems going into to this year! Defence was our clear strength on the backs of the d line but something has changed! Now the running which was the X factor of the offence has been nonexistent

  • @markbuetow6741
    @markbuetow6741 9 дней назад

    That third game, reminds me of the Vikings. You can count on the Vikings to allow the other team a more than fair chance to win it.

  • @THExDETROITxLIONS
    @THExDETROITxLIONS 9 дней назад +2

    Wow. The end of that Texans game was painful. EA should be ashamed of themselves.

  • @stormofscript719
    @stormofscript719 9 дней назад +1

    I think we should look to trade Campbell at the deadline, let Billups play full time if we arent true contenders. I'd at least see what offers we get for Hines-Allen, since we could theoretically kick Walker to the outside on pass rush downs and have Moore/Vea rush to the inside once Moore is healthy again.

  • @Lucasthecoolcat
    @Lucasthecoolcat 9 дней назад

    “Oh a brutal hit on Aubrey” 😂😂😂

  • @spiritkid44
    @spiritkid44 9 дней назад +1

    You should play walker full time at DT if Moore is out. Should be able to keep up the current production. Could also see an uptick in his slow start back.

  • @adamd5849
    @adamd5849 9 дней назад +1

    Okay, that Bears game frightened me. I didn't think they could score 17 in a half, even in Madden

  • @timdudley6096
    @timdudley6096 9 дней назад +1

    As a cowboys fan its nice seeing our only good player (aubrey) do good! im in pain...

  • @Altough24
    @Altough24 9 дней назад +2

    That defense is simulating calling cover 2 invert over and over again.

  • @coffeytones1520
    @coffeytones1520 9 дней назад +2

    Finally catching a livestrem

  • @HaezeusYT
    @HaezeusYT 9 дней назад +2

    He just hit a 62 yarder it makes sense to me to kick the shorter FG and make it a TD + 2pt

  • @adamd5849
    @adamd5849 9 дней назад +6

    Also, at least put a content warning for the hit at 23:40! Such a violent hit deserves a warning

  • @williamlawson3039
    @williamlawson3039 9 дней назад +2

    I think you may have to adjust the QB accuracy sliders at least for the CPU.

  • @ajbianchi85
    @ajbianchi85 9 дней назад +1

    Football teams should be built inside/out, the trenches are where games are won and lost. Youve spent a lot of draft capital on Cbs and Wrs

  • @JakeW10110
    @JakeW10110 9 дней назад +1

    Let’s go W Saturday🎉

  • @Adrian.006
    @Adrian.006 9 дней назад +1

    Maybe trade Easley. He’s hurt too much and Strange is doing a fine job

  • @rojeezee
    @rojeezee 9 дней назад

    09:17 I was baffled when the analytics suggested a punt. By a significant margin, too. Without analytics i would have gone for it.

  • @fi-ff5uj
    @fi-ff5uj 9 дней назад +6

    How is the engine not smart enough to spike the ball with 2 seconds left down 1
    You should take over these close games in the last 10 seconds to prevent the ai from screwing itself. Dont do any actual plays but call the timeouts correctly, spike the ball, call for a field goal, etc.

  • @metrojohnny
    @metrojohnny 9 дней назад

    I like the injuries in This series

  • @HaezeusYT
    @HaezeusYT 8 дней назад +1

    That ending is heartbreaking, definitely breaks the immersion. Only Brandon Staley is doing this. Not even an attempt is asinine

  • @nicholasmarini2544
    @nicholasmarini2544 9 дней назад +1

    I don’t think it’s a playoff team. Clearly not gonna retain both Campbell and Short after the season so I’d move on from one of them

  • @MinnesotaPro-z5g
    @MinnesotaPro-z5g 9 дней назад +1

    Cormier should be RB1.

  • @3ords3orth
    @3ords3orth 9 дней назад

    The TD to BTJr against the Cowboys was pretty cool.
    Maybe adjust the o playbook to run 1st and short & medium PA? And nerf injuries by a notch, I think you’re just hurting yourself. And Chuck!

  • @Lucasthecoolcat
    @Lucasthecoolcat 9 дней назад +1

    I’ve been waiting on Cormier to bust one loose

  • @isurrender3640
    @isurrender3640 9 дней назад

    My philosophy has always been that if we can’t get 1 yard we don’t deserve to win anyway. I would’ve gone for the dagger there.

  • @Zion2540hd
    @Zion2540hd 8 дней назад

    An adjust that might help a little is removing match coverages from the playbook ai will play it and entire zones are left exposed it’s like there aren’t real match rules so I hope this helps

  • @Crazyeyesick
    @Crazyeyesick 9 дней назад +4

    Lovin the series and you're putin in tons of work on all these video drops, good stuff Cane. I do have some opinions on the team tho.
    Offense:
    ----- I see struggling on the O-Line big time. Run Game is weak and too many sacks with low per game pass yards. Chuck is keeping this team alive and masking o-line issues.
    I believe you have fallen into a mistake I make often myself rebuilding your line. You have 1 journeyman low 80's, 3 promising but developing mid 70's, and a normal dev mid 70s guy starting. Too many of them aren't difference makers yet! I find it helps to keep a veteran high 80s or higher, preferably a superstar, somewhere on the line. This will help a lot, especially in your case if he's a center or guard. It may be time to send out some picks or veterans at crowded positions to go get a guy in his late 20s that will help immediately, and keep your young playmakers developing.
    ---- As for WRs n TE, you gotta find a way to keep Arrington, and help him produce. Chuck needs that guy to keep developing with good stats. Easley can def be resigned, he's decent, still young, and will take less money to keep cuz he's low 80's, not everyone on the team can be a 90+, which will be needed when you have to pay Chuck and Arrington and Thomas. But trading and restarting can work too.
    ---RB, Joe Johnson has to get the lion-share the rest of the way, maybe not 3rd down back, but he's younger than Cormier and has star dev. For me above all else with RBs, the most important is starting ratings, preferably balanced enough to not need too much fixing, and Age, then last dev trait. But a combo of all is important. Get their overall as high as possible as quickly as you can.
    Defense:
    Great D-line, Above average DBs, LB is your weakness, especially in coverage, with LLoyd holding it down. The players you've drafted have been good and bad when it comes to dev trait. But one issue I see is you're committed to playing the guys that were normal dev but the guys who are hidden or better, like Cooper a Superstar, are in reserve roles. I know overall matters, but thats not ideal.
    ---DBs, I believe either Campbell or Cisco have to go. Billups needs to be on the field more. Why be committed to a young normal dev Baxter at SS but not rookie star+ Billups? Maybe he can play FS?
    --- Front 7, Cooper must start. With your weakness at LB and 5 guys who can start at D-line, maybe it's time to move to a 3-4? JHA and Walker move to OLB as edge guys, and that opens RE and LE for Moore and Cooper, with Vea at DT. JHA and Walker still play Rush RE and LE, Moore and Cooper play Rush DT, with Vea off field for Nickel packages. All your coverage OLBs move to MLB and continue to play their normal roles at subLB. This or maybe look to trade a D-lineman for better 2nd LB to play next to LLoyd.
    Overall: I see you're committed to being patient with young normal dev players, which is good and realistic. But, getting high upside guys reps, running a scheme that highlights your strengths on D, and being willing to upgrade or trade away veterans could be better. The last part is especially important while Chuck Johnson is still cheap. Now is the time to spend on bringing in a few high level veterans for a year or 2, hopefully ones without long term impact for resigning young guys if possible. That's my 2 cents, hope it helps, i'll be enjoying the rest no matter what happens! thx

  • @tobyrorrer3454
    @tobyrorrer3454 9 дней назад +1

    HOW BOUT THEM COWBOYS!!!!! 😂😂😂😂

  • @michaelwolfyt1482
    @michaelwolfyt1482 9 дней назад +1

    9:25 id kick the field goal my defense has been able to get stops I'm willing to trust my kicker to make it and have my defense slam the door

  • @MLGProSwag69
    @MLGProSwag69 9 дней назад +1

    Might have to rip someone off with Benji Cormier the way the Browns ripped off the Colts with Trent Richardson

  • @thevoeltzwagon
    @thevoeltzwagon 9 дней назад

    End of that Texans game Chuck showed off Kirk Cousins is his mentor

  • @mespn520
    @mespn520 9 дней назад +1

    Lets go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @Crazyeyesick
    @Crazyeyesick 9 дней назад +1

    sorry for the long write-up guys

  • @ChillConservative2k15
    @ChillConservative2k15 8 дней назад

    My Defense got cooked all year my previous season in Franchise. Gave up 265 yards passing a game, but let the league in sacks with 52, howeveras a team we had 9 ints all year. So it was definitely the secondary that was the problem. Addressed that issue in free agency and the draft and now my team is ranked 12th giving up 212 pass yards per game.

  • @austingoodheart61282
    @austingoodheart61282 9 дней назад +2

    Oh lord Cain I don’t know if you can show that roughing the kicker on RUclips

  • @brandong770
    @brandong770 9 дней назад +1

    Benji is the better all around back tbh should feed him and trigger a dev upgrade scenario

    • @brandong770
      @brandong770 9 дней назад

      Damn my boy gets hurt after his breakout game smh

  • @SeaGLGaming
    @SeaGLGaming 7 дней назад

    I think in moments like the Texas game you should force a win. Same for any scenarios where the opposing team should have won if not for EA's terrible clock management and excessive runoff. A good balance would be how far the kick would be and use that kicker's IRL or in game stats for generated kickers and use their make percentage for that distance and run a cointoss to see if he would have made it.

  • @RobertMessenger91
    @RobertMessenger91 9 дней назад

    Cane task 1: Remove cover 2 invert from playbook.
    Cane task 2: fire defensive coordinator. Hire Cordell Hillhouse. Lol

  • @eliotedward2113
    @eliotedward2113 9 дней назад

    Just highlights how deep madden is in the mud

  • @pcjoiner42389
    @pcjoiner42389 9 дней назад

    38:40 That was a Ray Lewis-Like play

  • @FootballGamerDad
    @FootballGamerDad 7 дней назад

    Just started mine with the Atlanta Falcons! 1-1 after two games!

  • @iamthetomato8902
    @iamthetomato8902 8 дней назад

    I mean, sure it’s been sloppy, but if it wasn’t for the bad end of game management, this team would actually be 4-3. I think if you alter the defensive playbook to get ride of the 2 invert and hop into late game situations to call a spike or timeout when needed, this team could be solid.

  • @jahmirejarvis8734
    @jahmirejarvis8734 9 дней назад

    Dropping Eli Arrington down 1 or 2 spots on the SLWR spot would get him more touches as the X and still get occasional snaps out the slot

  • @0V3CHKiN
    @0V3CHKiN 9 дней назад +2

    The in-game sim either doesn't like this team or it's broken again.

  • @arnauromerocamps2023
    @arnauromerocamps2023 9 дней назад

    Last year QB rookies had decent traits comparable to Chuck Johnson that's why they play well

  • @xshawniam
    @xshawniam 9 дней назад +1

    Brian Thomas making 13 per year?
    Realistically he should be making around 22
    Just to keep it realistic**

  • @stantmf4702
    @stantmf4702 9 дней назад +1

    A lot depends on week 8 but if it doesn’t look good. SELL SELL SELL imo, Devin Lloyd, Cambell, Cisco and Easley all can go for rental prices. Gotta keep Josh Hines-Allen though.

  • @michaellong5849
    @michaellong5849 8 дней назад

    I wouldn’t give up too quickly on Joe!

  • @logandavis4285
    @logandavis4285 7 дней назад

    i feel like cormier was just doing things not a lot of rbs do in madden. injury hurts i would love to see him really start to develop

  • @JohnSmith-t7r1c
    @JohnSmith-t7r1c 8 дней назад

    Cornier moves well, if Johnson is only star there is not much lost starting Cormier awhile.

  • @PepperJackHawkStudios55
    @PepperJackHawkStudios55 6 дней назад

    Dev traits don’t help if they don’t perform and if they perform it doesn’t matter they should be earning higher dev traits

  • @R3dhawk95
    @R3dhawk95 9 дней назад

    I see aubrey took acting lessons from mahomes to get that penalty

  • @MinnesotaPro-z5g
    @MinnesotaPro-z5g 9 дней назад +1

    Just remove Cover 2 invert from the playbook.

  • @DNuggetsfan315
    @DNuggetsfan315 9 дней назад +1

    Please manage the end of games yourself. I love the authenticity but for the sake of realism please jump in. No team is running a play instead of spiking with 4 seconds left especially with Aubrey

  • @tobyrorrer3454
    @tobyrorrer3454 9 дней назад

    A smart GM would trade Arrington and Short. They don't wanna be there and you could get a lot of good assets to continue to build this roster which desperately needs a lot of help

  • @keithworthing7038
    @keithworthing7038 9 дней назад +3

    God I'm not happy about the title Cane. Not happy at all

  • @airswoosh23
    @airswoosh23 9 дней назад +2

    Your team will not do well in supersim, you either just need to sim without watching or slow sim.

    • @airswoosh23
      @airswoosh23 9 дней назад +2

      might want to adjust the run off clock especially for the no huddle situations, madden is horrible with these.

  • @AlexSmitthers
    @AlexSmitthers 9 дней назад

    whoever hit Aubrey in the Cowboys game should be immediately released! lmao

  • @Firebreather719
    @Firebreather719 9 дней назад

    43:40 7 billion dollar franchise folks.

  • @dimitris1351
    @dimitris1351 9 дней назад

    SEE. Even the raiders moved Crosby to outside linebacker. MOVE HINES-ALLEN

  • @JamesPatrick-cf7vd
    @JamesPatrick-cf7vd 9 дней назад

    Even with Billups being shaky so far, I think it's time to trade Campbell for a little bit of cap relief. Jarian Jones is still a solid #4 corner, if injuries hit. Maybe try to get a 2nd, or barring that, a 3rd and a 4th for Campbell.
    I think Arrington and Hines-Allen, you have to hold onto now, because their potential to ignite a turnaround is too great(especially with Moore going down now, can't afford to lose that DL depth). But I think, with the recent cap issues, you kinda have to let Arrington and Hines-Allen both go in the off-season. It stinks, but it's better for possibly turning morale around to keep them in the short term, and better for the long term fiscal health of the team to let them go when their contracts are up. Sometimes making the smart calls leaves a bad taste in the mouth.
    As much as McCaffrey has flashed, I think a WR to complement, or even surpass, BTJ becomes the #1 need in the off-season(assuming Arrington is gone). with more DT depth another priority.
    Liked what I saw out of Cormier and Benson, though. Maybe Bigby will help ignite a more productive ground game in the back half of the season.
    I like the twists and turns, though. The ebbs and flows are very believable for as poorly run a franchise as the Jags have been pretty much for the last decade and a half.

  • @PRODBYRICH14
    @PRODBYRICH14 9 дней назад +1

    11:42 you know what else is massive?

  • @iTsNatePvP
    @iTsNatePvP 9 дней назад

    Hey cane, love the content as always. I just bought Madden 25 and was unable to change player gear and helmets. Im on PC; is this a problem for you too?

  • @jessienowlin4967
    @jessienowlin4967 9 дней назад

    are you against playing coach mode? would solve a lot of the playcalling and time management problems. if you dont want to affect the playcall very much just run the suggestions

  • @memeteam2692
    @memeteam2692 9 дней назад

    is there a way to adjust the playbook to make it run the ball more?

  • @theposterking3553
    @theposterking3553 9 дней назад +1

    Vertical Power Run scheme. An Cane this you universe aka god. COME OUT THE SKY. HIT THE BUTTON SO THEY CAN GET A FG OFF!

  • @Brian.Chamberlain
    @Brian.Chamberlain 8 дней назад

    Cane you should trade Eli Arrington, he's a good player that isn't producing and with a couple years of team control, you could feasibly get some good return and not have it be unrealistic.