Yuval Noah Harari & Rutger Bregman: YES Online Conversations
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- Prof. Yuval Noah Harari speaks with author Rutger Bregman, in a moderated conversation by Zanny Minton Beddoes, editor-in-chief of The Economist.
This event is apart of a series of online conversations on global challenges and their implications for Ukraine, organized by the Yalta European Strategy (YES) and the Victor Pinchuk Foundation.
Kudos to both Yuval and Rutger for working out how to deliver high-quality audio for virtual events. Always a joy to hear them both speak. Zanny is an incredible moderator!
How ridiculous!!! They speak like gods in the Olympus. They want to organize the Universe and They don’t are able to organize their own lives
I thought she was ok at the start and reallllly got going with her skillful moderation. At the onset, truthfully I think she could have come out with more of a quiet vibe
@@HermenegildoFaria are jou gonna keep repeating this to anybody that comments here?😉
I could listen to Yuval for hours. There are so few people who look at the big picture and the connected parts in the way he does and can actually communicate those ideas in such an articulate and understandable way.
Same here 😁
How ridiculous!!! They speak like gods in the Olympus. They want to organize the Universe and They don’t are able to organize their own lifes.
I totally agree.
@@HermenegildoFaria do you even know a thing about their lives???? who are you to comment that
@@danielbalgobin3115 I know enough. I have more legitimacy to criticize their lives than them to criticize the all humankind. They are people living in their “orbitic” world, in their bubbles with their “orbitic” friends. They don’t know what is to be poor in the middle of the poor. They speak about climate change and they are amount, as persons, the biggest carbon contributors to the climate change.
Excellent debate, leaves enough doubts and desire to find more information about many topics.
For those who feel curious here is a list with some of the titles in the Yuval's library.
-Maps of time - David Christian
-Homo Deus - Yuval
-The gene - siddhartha mukherjee
-Blood Rites - Barbara Ehrenreich
-The Sixth Extinction - Elizabeth Kolbert
-Our Inner Ape - Frans de Waal
-The Taste of Ashes - Marci Shore
-The Last Whaler - Doug Bock Clark
-I Am Malala - Malala Yousafzai , Christina Lamb
-Mama's Last Hug - Frans de Waal
-The Future Is History -
Masha Gessen
-War and Gender - Joshua S. Goldstein
-Europe - Tim Flannery
-The Ukrainian Night - Marci Shore
-Humankind - Rutger Bregman
-The Odyssey - Homer
-AI Superpowers - Kai-Fu Lee
-The Age of Surveillance Capitalism - Shoshana Zuboff
-Congo - David Van Reybrouck
-How to Change Your Mind - Michael Pollan
Psd: I would love to see in the future book recommendations from Yuval.
If you agree, vote for this comment so that the message reaches him.
Have a good reading...and may all Beings be happy.
@Alejandro you're the hero we need but dont deserve,I have been watching his book shelf over a year, and you just gave me one more book name. Thanks
I am Malala 😂😂😂😂😂
I think you can add Kahneman’s “Thinking Fast and Slow” to that list :)
I LOVE that you’ve done this. I’m always trying to see what books are on the shelves behind podcasters and people speaking from home! Thanks!
Thank you, thank you, thank you, my eyes are hurting from squinting already.
Please watch minute 30 to minute 33. Great point made here. "Where is the problem?" - "... the dark side of friendliness ... we are incredibly groupish... we just wanna be liked ... we're often on the wrong side of history and thinking we're just helping our friends"
How ridiculous!!! They speak like gods in the Olympus. They want to organize the Universe and They don’t are able to organize their own lives
@@HermenegildoFaria are you gonna keep repeating this to anybody that comments here?
@@HermenegildoFaria your eyes are open
@@annecook4067 Wide open
@@HermenegildoFaria so noone is allowed to engage in intellectual discussion?
Why do we always look for disagreements??? It seems to be very difficult to agree on anything. So that is what we should be looking for!!!
Yuval is one of the greatest minds of our generation. these videos are a gift to humanity 🙏
How ridiculous!!! They speak like gods in the Olympus. They want to organize the Universe and They don’t are able to organize their own lives
Faria go and watch cat videos or something man!
@@CagdasTN I wish you the same
A healthy intellectual dose. Grateful to the two great minds and the wondeful lady moderator. Thank you!
@@HermenegildoFaria are you gonna keep repeating this to anybody that comments here?
Mister Harari, i am patiently waiting for your next book.
What’s it going to be about? I wonder 💭 😊
How ridiculous!!! They speak like gods in the Olympus. They want to organize the Universe and They don’t are able to organize their own lives
@@HermenegildoFaria Sounds like someone is not organising his world! It’s about point of view- exchange not of the ONE truth dictated by anyone! I am totally glad to have clever people like Yuval and company openly discuss their thoughts and conclusions! Btw hope you are not a troll!
@@samirould-ali7815 I'm not a troll. Think a little... They talk like beeing out of the world... I would like to see them solving little problems with real people and talk less about to solve the problems of the universe. When you speak about the big picture every theory works. We verify a theory on its capacity of solving little problems not on explaining the all history of humankind
@@HermenegildoFaria hey 👋🏼 there! Ok may I tell you why I really like Yuval? I really appreciate the way he looks at our civilization with a very accurate look especially the Middle Ages to now! He is a very gifted historian with a knife sharp intellect....I really enjoy his views on how we (as apes) are developing! Also Look and Listen that he is NEVER saying it Will Definitely go this or that way...he points out...he is just saying in REGARDS of the past...this or that SEEMS to play out like that.
I know that there are parts of the world to whom it may just sound totally idiotic what he is saying and where the world is heading....but from my European experience he makes a very good point!
There is enough to go around for everyone! Hopefully 🙏 we will not Fuck it up like always!
Sorry I didn’t wanted to be annoying to you!
Thanks Prof. Harari! Your thoughts makes my mind clearer! I hope to read you again very soon! In italian or other, no problem!
How ridiculous!!! They speak like gods in the Olympus. They want to organize the Universe and They don’t are able to organize their own lives
@@HermenegildoFaria are you gonna keep repeating this to anybody that comments here?😁
Amazing conversation thank you for rising the level of RUclips contents. More of this please !
Yuval's clarity of mind is amazing.
Was riveted like this was some Game of Thrones finale. Blown away by the brilliance and respect on both sides and masterful moderation in the middle.
And Yuval is a guy you can always listen to - so unassuming but profound and clear with soothing voice.
I love him so much, and his books. Wonderful and most important. But his voice isn't soothing ... 😆
He is mesmerising it’s clearly the hours of meditation 🧘🏻♂️ shining thru
@@peterpan8147 I LOVE his voice & accent
When Yuval speaks it feels like I have all the time in the world to listen
Thank you. I enjoyed this program. Very stimulating.
How ridiculous!!! They speak like gods in the Olympus. They want to organize the Universe and They don’t are able to organize their own lives
@@HermenegildoFaria are you gonna keep repeating this to anybody that comments here?
“Survival of the friendliest” Thank you both for clarity and inspiration👏🏼
@Pablo Abedul exactly that's what it is. Survival of the cunning and the exploiters.
Survival of the ruthless.
Indeed but what if we're on the cusp of the 'revival of the unfittest?' Granted we are in a moment of great reckoning and division now, but is is what I think is happening with a shift in understanding being brought about out of necessity and with the information explosion available to all. History is changing its course as conciousness catches up to the unconscious forces at work living society to present day.
How ridiculous!!! They speak like gods in the Olympus. They want to organize the Universe and They don’t are able to organize their own lives
@@HermenegildoFaria are you gonna keep repeating this to anybody that comments here?🤪
Greatest Exposition By Professor Yuval By Far
Both views are fantastic.
Yuval confident and specific as always.
How ridiculous!!! They speak like gods in the Olympus. They want to organize the Universe and They don’t are able to organize their own lives
@@HermenegildoFaria are you gonna keep repeating this to anybody that comments here?
Excellent forum for two current & progressive intellects of our time. Because such discussions have lasting pertinence but also a specific historical context, please ALWAYS INCLUDE THE DATE of the original talk/broadcast somewhere in the details/notes for the program/talk.
Many thoughtful points were made, but I particularly appreciated the distinction between Optimism and Hope, in that Hope generally suggests more individual activism versus the more background or collective scope of Optimism.
Modern humans have the intelligence & technology to communicate/discuss, develop & create/implement social systems that will enhance human lives & develop/harness even greater human potential, but only through broader consensus building, collaboration, and collective commitment/action built around maximum participation/buy-in of the individual citizens of the world.
Thanks for such an intellectual treat. Keep inviting the best world's minds to Ukrainian platforms.
Great! BRAVO!! Harari, so inspiring!
To me the moderator is confusing being a realist with being a pessimist. Thanks for sharing this.
Mr. Hararri, we admire and appreciate your work a lot, you are without doubt one of the greatest achievers of our time but when it comes to science or vaccination you don't mention the negative aspects of it but just the posetive ones..
Today everything has turned to business and very profite oriented, untrustworthy..
One question, what do you think about the pharma lobbying and the big businesses the doctors are making with vaccination while the poor nursing staff and other less fortunate people are working so hard just to meet their basic needs?
Here in Germany doctors are just making more money out of the crises like never before ..
I thought being a doctor demands a lot of responsibility and ethical behavior.
.Another question in terms of climate change, why don't the rich just stop flying for fun or shopping with their private jets all over the world , or reduce the lavish lifestyle they are living by? , or does it just apply to the average consumer ? 🙏
Überhaupt kein Grund den angeblichen " brilliant mind " Harari in den Himmel zu loben. Er spricht von " useless people " und anderem menschenverachtenden Müll , infolge der Tatsache von Obamas + Schwabs Einflüsterer- Status .
You are correct, except the part about him being a great thinker. He suggests that we have no freewill, while choosing words and language to convey a message corresponding with, what he sees as reality. How can he do that if he has no free will? Why does his message matter if I have no freewill to hear it and modulate my behavior as a result? He is a fool pretending to be a scholar. If we all have no freewill, how does he question a person's response to the manufactured virus/covid crisis. harari is an antchrist, you will see.
Wonderful!!! the laughter of both in the last minute lifts me up too!
A lesson on How to moderate and get the best out two brilliant minds.Way to go Zanny!
I’m sort of obsessed with trying to read all the book titles in the background rn.
I don't know about Bregman, but Harari has an excellent list of book recommendations online.
Great interviewer and brilliant guests.
Yuval Harari is a genius.
How ridiculous!!! They speak like gods in the Olympus. They want to organize the Universe and They don’t are able to organize their own lives
Your standards must be very low.
@@janetjohnson1908 As high as holiness. I think it's the highest, but it's a gift, not a conquest or a pretension. I’m not an “Yuvalater” or any “humanlater”
@@HermenegildoFaria are you gonna keep repeating this to anybody that comments here?🙃
Thank you for this extraordinary conversation
Never seen such a skillful moderator like her. Trump and Biden debate could have other result with Zanny
Mr Yuval Noah Harari and Mr Rutger Bergman, I would absolutely love your views on the latest work of Riane Eisler, "Nurturing Our Humanity". The social scale of domination versus partnership societies clarefies so much on the crises we live in today.
How ridiculous!!! They speak like gods in the Olympus. They want to organize the Universe and They don’t are able to organize their own lives
@@HermenegildoFaria are you gonna keep repeating this to anybody that comments here?
Brilliant conversation. Thank you all, Zanny, Rutger and Yuval.
Fantastic discussion! Thanks for uploading
These conversations always make me think in unexpected ways! What is really good and I want to share my thoughts :)
What I think the lesson to be learned with the pandemic is that if we are able to collaborate in large numbers as a species, we have to be able to develop better and faster collaboration frameworks for our human society to be able to overcome real problems more efficiently and not only to drive forward in lucrative technological advancements, it doesn't matter if for covid-19 or the climate change, because what I observe daily is that society has advanced knowledge to overcome problems but is not flexible enough in mass scale specially to implement the solutions because of inappropriate policies, obsolete structures and dystopian ideologies.... it's amazing that our smartness is being always misplaced and not for the common good is like a layer of our completeness as an human specie is missing and I think that is the fundamental issue that has to change.
Excellent _and very important_ conversation. Thanks for organizing and sharing these events.
What Yuval said about people being very rational and believing stories at the same time, actually perfectly unifies Rutger and Yuval's thinking. Believing in Rutger's hopeful story about humandkind can go hand in hand with realistic, rational thinking. Now, let's hope people will actually do that.
Yuval you got a right worldview
A pleasant surprise to see Uncle Viktor give the opening remarks for this.
My simple solution is humans should stop manipulating nature and start living in harmony with nature. Worship the mother nature. This change of mindset will help flourish the lives of humankind.
My 2 homeboys in one talk.. im excited!
How ridiculous!!! They speak like gods in the Olympus. They want to organize the Universe and They don’t are able to organize their own lives
@@HermenegildoFaria are you gonna keep repeating this to anybody that comments here?
Thanks for this video
Its our oneness that brings us together. The innate importance of each of us and all of us. We have a call to evolve - to bring about our better nature. The depths of us, that is slowly coming into general awareness
Thank you for this debate, very interesting... The thing I'm stuck on is that, it's not about "right" or "wrong", or "good or bad"... it's more about entitlement, greediness, empathy, convenience, selflessness, shrewdness, values, principles and the ego... and pessimism and positivity vary according to one's upbringing. For example, I grew up in Venezuela where I've experienced a very corrupt government, developed countries exploit the country only for its natural resources. Taking for the country... But it's only due to my experiences of having travelled and observing different ways of doing things is that I have been able to come to my own conclusions as to what is "good/bad".
Completely energizing and rivetting conversation. Thank you
Fight, flight, freeze? No, we will do it in a way of kindness & cooperation. Love & empathie is the answer ♡. I agee both of them.
Love is the message, and message is love! 😇🥰
Great moderator.
I loved this communication between two of my most favorite thinkers and writers. Their views deeply resonate with me and although I understand the skeptism of Yuval concerning the various threads human kind is facing I also share the hope and optimism of Rudger that human kind will somehow manage to raise to the challenge and persevere.
Very nice. Love it!! Brazil
You can tell right away from Rutger's line of thought the insidious ways structural privilege works: when you're lucky enough to be born in a long established, solid, social welfare democracy (The Netherlands) It can really bias your view on society. His work would hugely benefit if he were to spend a few years away from the First World or study Fanon or Mbembe with attention.
It also shows, in a very practical way, that humans are capable of creating these societies. Societies where people work together and thrive. The Netherlands and other western European countries being examples of this.
he is just trying to ride the wave of success keeping himself aflot in populist superficial talking points... his ideas are nothing more than talking points, not real analysis...
@@lordbunbury cringe honestly 😬 these societies exist on the basis of others being overlooked (on purpose), it serves these small easily manageable european countries so well, they have the right number of people, the right climate and right conditions from the get go + years of exploration and exploitation of other peoples = privilege in the division of labour and resources in this wretched assymetrical world. Europe like to play the stoic type, it is actually the most freeloader and opportunistic bloc on this earth by far. I trust more an american or russian than a french/german/dutch.
@@ricardopontes7177 I agree that it is all based on exploitation. I don’t see how the US and Russia aren’t more exploitative though. Europe does fare well under the wings of the aggression of the US and Russia. They don’t have to start wars themselves if the US and Russia do it for them. That said. These are also the societies that brought innovation on all kinds of fronts. This means that at least we have a shot as a species to get more peaceful. Of course these societies aren’t perfect at all, but they do serve as models for the world as a starting point. Showing that humans are capable of moving in the right direction. A direction of a world full of safety, health, longevity and innovating together. I believe humans are capable of this. That the possibility is there.
Sidenote: using the word “cringe” is ironically the most cringe thing someone can do.
@@JohannesObers Did youread his book?
Huge respect for both but team Bregman! :)
Incredibly challenging discussion
Thanks 🙏
Thank you professors a very stunning discussion
Thank you
I've read all of Harari's books, and find him 50/50. Insightful but inflexible. I find him hubristic often. And am surprised by all the buzz out there around his overconfident speculations. He is to me a "know it all". I never hear him asking questions, or saying he doesn't know something. And I also hear him speaking for everyone often. Does anyone else share that analysis.
The conditions of air, water and soil should be better, so that whatever kind of pathogen will not effect the vulnerables that bad ...
This is pretty good, I am only at 9:05, but in just a handful of sentences each, they already set up an interesting duel: friendliness vs story telling. I am curious how it will go on.
I have subscribed but why I did not see any access link or invitation for the live program to participate ?
interesting dialogue, but we have to be critical when it comes to this type of dialectic between (pessimistic & optimistic) point of view. Because it is the OBSERVER state, like audiences in a show. Rather, we are PLAYER in this human stage, who MUST be active ; looking for success and learn from failure, Despite of taking sides, and STICK to one team.
Note: Sound setting needs to be taken in consideration in next videos.
Thanks Yuval.
Excellent! We need both views. To classify Bregman as lightweight is simply not adequate.
Great talk!
I am a fan of Harari, yet he has 308k subscribers and PewDiePie has 109 million subscribers...What does Harari think about this? What does this tell us about our society?
I find it a bit irritating the way the moderator is frequently framing Yuval's comments as being gloomy. This is a mature conversation between adults about profound matters it's not a Disney movie.
do you have a list of the books on the shelf behind him? I want to read all of them
The "moderator" clearly didn't want the discussion to be done in a moderate way, she repeatedly tried for a "battle of the minds", illustrating Bregman's point about the negative influence of the media which focuses on bad news, its motto is "If it bleeds it leads". This constantly reinforces the negative view of human nature which Bregman is trying to show is mistaken. Despite her, the two gave a good example of a shared interest being discussed in a nuanced, informed, moderate way.
I really enjoyed the conversation and the gentle arguments that had been developed but sometimes i trully miss a Christopher Hitchens aggressive debate. How articulate was he??
The Economist Zanni ... Superb Zoom InterAction
We definitely need Global institutions as a response to relationships and businesses that have become globalized without the proper institutions to regulate human relationships. ECOCRACY is the alternative to DEMOCRACY, the only form of government capable of guiding human relations in a globalized world.
Getting my doctoral students in leadership development to watch this and related it to their understanding of regenerative thinking. Fantastic discussion!
Tuvalu, I have been rereading your books again. As a Rotarian, I am trying to convince Rotarians to establish RIPA(Rotary International Peace Academy). There are military academies in the U.S. but none exist for the peace academy. Your thought please.
Hi Yori. I appreciate your comment. My father was a committed Rotarian and I got to attend meeting with him a few times. He was also dedicated to world peace, not as a cliche, but as an actual goal. He was President of People to People International when he died. On his deathbed he told his doctors that he would be giving a speech in Hong Kong in six weeks which would be translated into many languages. People to People was established by US President Eisenhower for intellectual and cultural exchange between countries. I’m not certain of its current state, but you may find a framework there without having to reinvent the wheel. He traveled all around the world from China to Romania to Jamaica visiting with other judges and lawyers. But I’m sure many categories of exchange were made: businessmen, bankers, artists, etc. I think you’ll find it to be of interest.
They speak about diferent things...for me the key that I will agree with Bregman is how we look to mankind..not just analize How we came here,where we are
Yuval clearly wins!
You are an idiot... its not about winning or losing. its about ideas.
I think this conference or conversation should have more directed towards the discussions of third world countries as when Yuval mentioned a little bit in universal basic income topic.
Does anyone knows the name of books on rutger's shelf
Amazing interview an discussion. I am a big fan of both Rutger Bregman and Yuval Harari.
- I hear both about the incredible growth of the health science. But i think we have forgotten about the power of the human regeneration. There is no discussion about the implications of the lock downs on health and improving health by food, movement, mediation and so ford. Most covid death are obese people, research says.
- Rutger is strong about the limits of technologie and i do agree.
- Rutger i thinks you are wrong about the danger about social media. Cambridge is maybe a hype but it is a start. And we see the effect of propaganda on social media.
- Basic income could be a good thing, but ho decides how much we own. What do you think about self in life created institution which are nog chosen democratic.
- Is it not by saying that the printing of money of the US has no consequence?
Check Bob de Wit prof. Neyrode, Strategy. Society 4.0
- You talk about conspiracy theory but if i Remember Rutger write about the corruption of people in power. What do you think about The Big Reset??
- Is it not that the winners write the history.
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Would someone please list the books behind them? I can see thinking fast and slow, humankind, the gene, the age of surveillance capitalism, Tim flannery's Europe behind Harari.
Verbal "pessimism" is the identification of (potential) problems so they can be solved. ;)
Sorry, Mr Bregman, you're saying things that are not based on evidence. Too many to list.
So...have you read Humankind?
You are right about that Justin.
Either not based on evidence, or based on cherry-picked evidence, honestly.
Indeed, Mr Bregman does that throughout Humankind.
"hopefulness" aside. i can sense a bit of egotism on the left side of the video. insightful exchange nonetheless. also Yuval crushed it.
Yuval seems more mature, the adult in the room. Aware the power games happening behind the scenes amongst the global superpowers. And that aint pretty or good-natured. Bregman should probably spend more time with high profile politicians, CEOs, secret services. It would radically change his naive human nature view. Bregman also seems at heart more of a politician than an historian. He seems to search for history that matches his pre-conceived strong political views. Yuval comes across as more a-political, therefore more credible
Exactly. On the other hand, you can sense that Harari has a more global perspective of the world, a more complex approach than Bregman, who is only 32 years old btw.
@@matiasescudero1368 Yep
I absolutely agree. While I do feel it’s slightly unfair to pit them against each other, considering how much younger, idealistic, and less-informed Bregman is, it’s also an important debate to be had, because the book Humankind is hugely successful and honestly a bit misleading (or cherry-picked). It’s always important to see how ideas and minds fare against each other, even if sometimes that means one will do a lot better than the other.
Interesting debate. I liked Yuval’s oneliner: 2020 showed the unparalled success of science and the complete failure of politics. Yet I agree we people have also shown we can go along with myth, fake news and truth. I do believe that Bregman’s perspective on our nature can help energize the new generation to lead human kind into a new direction. The challenges are enormous. Yuval’s biggest fear we are about to enter a mass surveillance society is frightening. Covid could legitimize it. Rutger’s fear that we need to adress the global transormation is equally challenging.
Do watch it and do make your mind up. To me it is not about who won te debate, about opposing views. It is about thinking what we need to deal with our present challenges to get a better outcome for the next generations.
They all need to show off their books 📚🤓
Hoping that Prof. Harari gets paired with someone of his weight class in future debates.
I'm also what you could consider a Yuval stan, but Rutger Bregman is up there with him. They're both amazing.
These are great guests to have together.
Also steven pinker, sam harris, elon musk, neil degrasse tyson, elizabeth warren, Stephanie kelton, Thomas piketty
When is harrari going to address construction of systemic power and Mills' power elite?
Has anybody asked him?
@@WordSmithGuyana what do you think? It's old stuff at this point. Somewhat of a disregarded theory. I'm sure he's read it.
Yuval talks a lot of sense. Rutger is showing a lack of understanding of the basics in human consciousness
Where do you think his understanding is lacking?
Probably how subtlety but easily humans can be manipulated where their source and end of knowledge is singular.
And generally with the multifaceted human experience we tend to do that about many small but important things in our lives
Rutger thinks more practical, he tries to tell the story we need that Yuval always talks about
@@conall5434 Essentially Neo-Rousseauism
@@PiggySquisherCaleb He specifically says that's not what he's arguing for
1:22:57 this aged like fine wine
Where are you Tucker?
To keep this in perspective, the internet was shutdown in Uganda this Jan for 5 days and extended for another month for a partial lockdown. The threat of Tech feels remote to me for authoritarian regimes that can simply shut it down and head back to the stone age.
Why organizing a "debate" between these two original thinkers? As if a boxing match between a a feather weight against a heavy weight is interesting. It is more cruel than fun to watch.
Luckily words do not physical harm people.
10:00 Rutgers explanation is not more 'hopeful' than Yuvals, because Yuvals explanation, that human organize through stories, doesn't concern hope. It's an explanation that is neither optimistic nor pessimistic.
10:40 hierarchies were not invented by civilisation, how do you think animals organize themselves? It's not a sickness to organize that way, it's the most common way in nature.
Rutger vond je boek interessant, maar moest dit even kwijt.
Correct. It's very concerning how the false claim that hierarchies were invented by 'patriarchal' civilisations is becoming increasingly en vogue these days among radical leftists, neo-marxists, and social justice warriors who believe that all biological differences are a social construct and that any differences among humans must be abolished for the sake of ''social equity''. It's like they have never observed any group of social or territorial animal in the wild. I find it quite terrifying how detached from reality they are.
@@badgerlife9541 Rape and murder are observed in related “animals in the wild”, but we’ve rejected them in civilized society. We would classify a society that countenanced them “sick”.
Good debate. Yuval's arguments are more compelling than the Rutger...
Perhaps the solution to the economic and financial crisis globally is to have our great economic minds and leaders invent a new global economic model that is more balanced and equitable for all to benefit from the enlightened utilization of our human and natural resources !
Yes,butt those in power to do so wont. Becouse then they loose power. And the others dont bits the hand that feeds them.
I read both books (sapiens and humankind) and I'm so delightful to see a debate with the autores of thems. Personaly, I have an opinion more pessimist/realistic and I tend to agree more with Harari's arguments and thoths. But the Bregman's book was so important to me, to make me more critical with the verniz theory, questioning cientific methodology of some experiments as Stanford's prison, for exemple, and try to see more kindness in the world (which is really difficult for me, living in Brazil, where the politicians always surprises us negatively). Well, I just can say that watch the debate online was a big opportunit and for that I can thankful to tecnology and the authors.
Look at politics in the US, two parties that should be working toward the same objective in a friendly manner despite differing methods and policies as for reaching the objectives has turned into a Hatfield-McCoy rivalry that is seen as existential for each side. This is the main reason I have moved to the center from the left. I have my own views and ideals and ethics but I can keep them in check for the good of achieving a common objective, realizing that as passionate and righteous as I am about my views, someone with the opposite views is equally as passionate and righteous. And, so to double down on my righteousness is not helpful. Yes, we do need to debate and certain views can "win" or "lose" but the real problem is in failing to compromise. The perfect recipe for disaster that will end the democracy is for the ideological righteous extremists to gain control of government and demonize the other side. We are getting closer to this with both sides: the right with their religious, nationalist agenda and the left with their politically correct agenda. Look at extremist ideologies in the world, disasters all. Look at how humiliation of losers (to some degree with the Confederate cause in the US and with the Germans in WW1 especially) resulted in resentment and a festering wounds that inspired revenge.
what the two of them get is that theire ideas are closer together than appart ... and that they actually have just a small portion of an idea of what is going to happen
i hoped the comment section would reflect that somehow ... but uh well, they write books and we just comments
How ridiculous!!! They speak like gods in the Olympus. They want to organize the Universe and They don’t are able to organize their own lives
@@HermenegildoFaria are you gonna keep repeating this to anybody that comments here?😝
Perfect timing for the two popular historians to be moderated by Zanny. It appears all of them recognize the paradox of human nature but not sure why humans are fundamentally good and not bad or evil. I read and am very impressed by Rutger’s Utopia for Realists and Humankind. I would also like to express that I am convinced that mechanistic or reductionist science will not be able to answer the true or fundamental nature of our species. Rather holistic science of Australian biologist Jeremy Griffith (author of Freedom) and bonobo researcher Vanessa Woods (co-author of Survival of the Friendliest) answers how, when and why we acquired our good moral instinct (gene based learning) and why this is misunderstood by our newly developed conscious thinking mind (nerve based learning) and why understanding this conflict and getting clarity on our species' genetic orientation which is morally good instinct can resolve the so called “human condition” and put our species back on a positive track. I am very impressed and convinced with the interview on human condition with biologist Jeremy Griffith and happy to share a link to the interview that was done during the early days of the pandemic. Must watch for humankind….
Human Condition - Introduction: ruclips.net/video/S0lcgcVONB8/видео.html
Human Condition - Interview: ruclips.net/video/IWz7-idbL-k/видео.html
Website: www.humancondition.com/
When did Donald talk about NBI?
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To shift away from a war based civilization, to globally work together. I believe part of the solution lies in developing an additional universal economic system The Barter - that demonstrates shifting values - acknowledging that we all have self worth and care for each other. Transcendence vs a domination culture - a shift in the global psychology. A better civilization simulation... perhaps. The ultra rich will donate (charity) a specified amount in digital 'chips' or 'credits' that individuals can earn through an incentive program that creates opportunity for people (earning much better than giving). A work bank and idea bank, 1st to be spent at the places where the donation occurred as small business will not be able to participate until it gets underway. Some ideas...