That looks for me more like Unreal Tournament then a Star Trek Battle Everything is happening way to fast. No Ship in ST was moving that fast in a fight... It destroys the Star Trek feeling for me when i see that...
Remember though that this is someone who focuses specifically on that aspect not something most in STO did. There were several larger crusiers in there and so on that made it work without needing to move that quick. I am sure that to keep up with this you do need more speed than normal but this build is probably not that popular. Not to mention this is the PvP aspect and most of the playerbase doesn't play PvP simply because it is not easy to get into and good damage builds can blow you up in seconds if you don't have some surviavbility like he said.
Afaik he is running a balanced one at the moment, he dropped the tac ult, runs drain & ctrlx in sci tree, targeting sensors and some shield hardness, necessities in tac tree and resistances, mobility and tank in eng tree, that's my guess and I expect it to be accurate. ^^ But he can just confirm it or not.
on main I put heavy shields because I did not know better I Agmenteds no shields all on offense. builds ty for a lesson teacher 😄 that who I dont pvp afed of being a drag to my team
The stuff in this video made sense perhaps season 10 at the latest. Nowadays, none of it is useful against organized elite PvP teams such as Evul Grandpas or House of Beautiful Orions or the returning Sad Pandas (if they actually manage to catch up after their long absence?). Plus the meta has changed completely... We have protonic modules, which cannot be easily avoided, placates, crazy AoE disables which cannot be cleared and insane tyken drains (which can be countered with awareness, hazard emitters and speed, but very inconvenient if caught). If you happen not to own these stuff, don't even show up for a PvP match. I am curious about your keybinds though, I can probably learn a thing or two.
Thanks for the video SOB. you are one of the best players in the game and you have all the good stuff that helps make that happen. The problem is that not all players can afford the equipment to make them competitive. I have been playing over four years and still don't have the stuff to keep up. I knew when Cryptic launched this season and talked about the PVP that it was going to be about the haves and the have-nots. I am sure that people don't want to suck but most just can't put the money into the game to keep from sucking so I guess they should just not play. (now that does suck) I am not saying anything bad about the video or SOB (he's my in-game hero) but Cryptic has once again found a way to drive players away IMO!
While SOB's personal build is expensive, honestly you can put something together on quite the cheap that will perform better than 90% of the people who enter the Arena. Rep gear goes a long way, fleet weapons with acc modifiers will suffice in most cases, and the most expensive must have trait is Invincible, which you can substitute Continuity for from the Temporal Spec if you don't have the resources. Being able to perform doesn't have to be about bling.
Basically any bugship build is out of range for most people, but there are many other potent ships that can get 90-95% of it's performance for less than 30-50% of it's cost.
Basically any bugship build is out of range for most people, but there are many other potent ships that can get 90-95% of it's performance for less than 50% of it's cost.
I'm stacking numerous things and getting some nice set bonuses that make it go that high. I've had a request to do a vid on it, so I'll likely toss something together later this week. Gonna be busy these next few days though.
Proton spam is still an issue atm, but they're set to be nerfed with S14 next month. The meta is be a sci drain / control boat, or be a cannon escort pretty much. There's so much survivability with consoles released over the years that it's absurd how much an escort or sci ship can tank. S14 is set to bring even more survivability with a new specialization focused on tanking / heals.
ah low lvl pvp was good fun at say captain rank but max rank is just eye rape and like this guy zipping around at warp 3 constantly. Also if you aren't buying stuff with real money there is no point.
Heals ship this heals should have more range anyhow as not always easy to stay close to your heal ship when everyone always on the move and moving so fast and 10km really not a long range some AOE heals would be nice for pvp with a nice range on them
AoE heals actually do exist, and if you are a potent healer with teammates that don't go out of range all the time, 10km is definitely enough, it's enough if they are in the 10km for like 3 seconds, the issue is that many pugs carry out the fight 50km away from the healer, and don't even know that they have one.
SeaDax i remember a very old Vesta Console - out dated by now. which ( _still_ ) has very good hull AND shield heal ... but 3 km Range :-( and only the vasta class ships ...
Yes i know there is ONE AOE heal that come in not so long ago after 6 years but still 10km not so much when your always on the move FAST and most heals are to slow. But would be nice to have more AOE hes in the game for pvp so a healer can really do it job.
I_noSc0pedJFK .22 there are also *splash* heal effects .... but ... they are too weak ... ... mirror Harkeev (Doff) ... ... Starship Trait > nanite something ... but again ... 3 km
Peasants..peasants everywhere...yall need to know the 12 commandments of Lord Chessus if you want to be OP. And the Lord brought Feedback Pulse With massive hull critzz and he saw that it was good...SuperKirkz for EVER!!!! Massacre beaming out.
It really gets me, that most of the speed exploit guys, only run in and out, with cannons, how is that pvp? that is arcade. You guys totally lost the theme of the game.
Having canon accurate PvP in this game isn't really a thing with how the meta has been. It's certainly possible to do if you get everyone on board and setup themed matches, but that's extremely rare.
you missed the most I. portent thing in pvp and especially for someone like you who flies cannons.......ping!! bad ping means stuff don't work right especially cannons, basically the reason I stopped flying cannons and a lot of the experts did was the ping rate nothing worse than doing a 10k run at someone and not shooting 👍
not gonna lie watching sob play cannons with his smooth as fek USA connection winds me up, it's so smooth watch as his activations and shots fire perfectly..........ahhhhh and what do I get, I have to click everything three times to make it work, my cannons come out of my back end after I've flown past them, my ship skips around the screen sometimes & when I throw heals out it doesn't register till after they have died.....you don't know how good you have it Mr sob 😘
I would contact your ISP if I were you, if you do have constant issues, that is. Despite my 180 ping to STO, and I do agree, occasional hiccups, the connection issues aren't the thing that are really stopping me in pvp (despite living in eastern europe). Sure, STO's connectivity sucks harder than Marylin Monroe trying to get another movie role, but you can't blame everything on it. So if you did just seriously say "people suck because of lag" (or rather, "I suck because of lag")... well, is your name DSP? "Online lag!"; "I'm pushing buttons!"
Keizersoze, you are correct. But even if your ping is not too bad, you can have noticeable issues, I am still surprised that SOB runs DHCs, but since he lives in the US and does not have an awful ISP I guess, it works for him. Whenever I try to do DHCs (even tho my ping is like 150) I have insane firing delays, reason I use single cannons which come with 4x the arc with a damage penalty of like 25%, which I can take. Currently what works too is an all turret build, you can literally focus on spamming abilities and all you need to bother about is staying in range and healing, it won't burst tanks but kills most players reliably, and is not the hardest thing to accomplish :) @Isengrim R, ping is not the only factor, you can't blame the ISP for being bad or whatever, this game is literally different for everyone playing it, it has weird to awful server/engine optimization. So the last one to blame is the players playing it, nor their ISP.
Until they make pvp "worth it" or make a proper ladder/ matchmaking system it will always be broken and this issue will always persist. Even if people did all of these things they still would not stand a chance. Pre-mades will always have the advantage against pugs. The people you are complaining about should be grouped against other similar skill/gear level players. If you want more of a challenge maybe don't make/join pvp as a group so you can pvp against your friends. Pvp has had no point in sto except for "Fun". The developers should make it relevant.
Can get some fun games here and there, but yeah, most of the time PvP isn't a balanced fight and isn't really enjoyable. Usually tends to be swayed in one way or another.
What me and some friends always hope to see is the pvp mechanics be revamped, specifically like a PvP rep, a new UI similar to the new pve queue system and revamped pvp maps. :) Still waiting for that day :P but id prefer the borg battlezone get an overhaul first lol it looks so dated now and it doesn't get a proper introduction.
The Competitive Rep with S13 was their attempt at a PvP Rep. Doubt most of that will happen though. Cryptic has very little commitment to PvE. We haven't even had the PvP scoreboard for most of the year,
Of course he thinks others suck. Just look at all his buffs on his screen. I've never seen so many. Would take years to get that. When your ship hits like 10 ships and is seemingly invincible of course you will think others suck even if their actual combat skills are light years ahead of your own. Put me in that ship and I will fight like 10 of you. And you won't hear me saying that others suck- I will use skills to help other ships out as I already do with a crappy T5 and with this junkpile I have turned the tide of battle repeatedly. Allies swarm to me when hurt so I can heal them and they come to my aid without me asking because of how I operate my ship. 99% of the time I feel like I have the weakest ship yet allies treat me like I am central to the group. It's not what you fly, folks- it's how you fly. Maybe some are loyal to me because many witness me literally dying rushing in to heal a stronger ally knowing he can make a bigger difference than me. I am willing (and I actually do it regularly) to cast my life and crew aside to achieve victory if I must. Captains must think of the bigger picture. If you think about it... we are all on the same side.
A: Achieving that amount of buffs isnt hard if you run the right build with the right starship traits, boff abilities and space traits. B: How you fly is irrelevant if your build, binds or mindset are 'lightyears' behind other people you will simply never match any one of them until you accept and fix that, that's what this video is about. People suck at pvp when they try because they usually bitch about how everything is unfair and impossible and things are op. - from there you have 3 options: 1: Quit pvp 2: Keep getting killed and complain 3: Accept the requirements and become better with the help of others on both build and playstyle. (C)onclusion: I massively doubt that you have skills anywhere near anyone who is currently good at pvp due to your assumption that his buff bar is long, takes years to achieve and that skills matter most - they do IF your build and rest is optimized. Over the past year I helped many people get good at pvp and they didn't come in and claim they were good but wanted to become good instead.
Building a high end build for PvP or PvE can get very expensive if you want all the nice things. Thing in STO is you can't just pay a ton and expect to do well, you also need to have the piloting skills to properly take advantage of every ability. But these high end builds can easily cost hundreds of dollars if you want to fully min-max them. I think at this point a top of the line min-max pvp ship is going to be looking at easily $600-700+ worth of gear. All so you can sit in a PvP queue for a few hours waiting for a single match, if one happens that day.
@@CasualSAB dang. thanks for the reply. one more question... say i was a person who did a lot of research on builds and had plenty of in game money and/or spent a little bit of real life money (like $50-$100), could i "hang with" the super elite guys in pvp? like would it even be possible to withstand their damage and survive them and/or kill them? like is killing min/maxed players impossible as a person who isnt min/maxed? or how hard is it
@@ro00o33 It entirely depends on the skill of the person you're fighting. STO has one of the largest skill gaps out of any game I've played, as seen often in PvE, with most of the playerbase doing no more than 5-10k, while some can consistently do 200-300k+. If you grind out a ton, you can do some casual PvP, and maybe some ker'rat, but even with the investment you're looking at, any of the high end PvP players will likely be able to destroy you with you having little to no way of putting up a serious fight. Also, it's important to note that investing in PvP at this point may not be worth it, as there are very few people even doing PvP. It has no developer support, so every season adds in new items that tend to have a serious impact for those that can afford them. PvP arena queues don't even really pop now outside of the endeavor. PvP in this game is effectively dead at this point due to the powercreep.
@@CasualSAB yea ive been researching this game and others for a while now and the fact that you say pvp is basically dead and ques are infinitely long is probably the deciding factor why i wont get this game. i bought star citizen, and it is very ambitious (and pretty), but its super underdeveloped and incomplete. still in "super alpha", tons of bugs, very empty feeling. so i may try Elite Dangerous, which is basically an older, more complete version of Star Citizen from the looks of it. But I am hearing it has its problems too with people logging in the middle of combat, etc, but it looks fun enough to play pve anyway so i might give it a shot. i really want a good open world vehicle/ship/mecha pvp game. if you know any let me know. besides Elite Dangerous, my last hope is for a game coming to early release on the 31st of this month called "Pantropy". It is a mecha open world mmorpg with pvp. but it will also be super early alpha so my expectations are not high, and it will probably be annoyingly unplayable for years if my guess is correct again thanks for the answer sir!
PvP in the game was great when it had activity / before powercreep killed it. Was a unique experience with a great flying style, but yeah, it's sadly not worth investing in for sure at this point. There's a total of 6 people even playing any PvP content atm ingame, so not very active. It's gotten to the point where many PvP players are now going after DPS/Speed records in PvE content to have something competitive to do in the game. STO has a lot of potential on the PvP side of things, but the developers will never put the time or effort in to make it a huge part of the game. Have looked for some other games myself, but none have a similar flying style. So I've just been playing FPS games to have that PvP action.
Being honest isn't necessarily talking down to people... Friends are honest with each other, and SOB is a friend of the community. He made this video out of his love for all of us. Put on your adult pants and give the guy a hug. He deserves it.
That looks for me more like Unreal Tournament then a Star Trek Battle
Everything is happening way to fast.
No Ship in ST was moving that fast in a fight...
It destroys the Star Trek feeling for me when i see that...
Remember though that this is someone who focuses specifically on that aspect not something most in STO did. There were several larger crusiers in there and so on that made it work without needing to move that quick. I am sure that to keep up with this you do need more speed than normal but this build is probably not that popular. Not to mention this is the PvP aspect and most of the playerbase doesn't play PvP simply because it is not easy to get into and good damage builds can blow you up in seconds if you don't have some surviavbility like he said.
Basically, it boils down to "be considerate of your teammates." Don't hide from the enemy, stay close to your support, and pay attention.
The problem is... STO pvp costs a lot of rl money.
Great video. Thank you for this. I'm new to PvP on PS4 and this helps a lot. Currently running the NX refit and building it as fast as possible
The biggest problem. There is no real defining roles for pvp. Plain and simple.
SOB this is STO 90% of people don't know this game has chat :P
What, this game has chat?
What's a chat?
Either that or they minimize the chat window because it's too bothersome to read words
The most important thing in pvp is drama
most importent you got EPS
Another great vid keep them coming! I'm enjoying PvP now thanks to you. Would like to see what your skill tree looks like now please and thanks again
Afaik he is running a balanced one at the moment, he dropped the tac ult, runs drain & ctrlx in sci tree, targeting sensors and some shield hardness, necessities in tac tree and resistances, mobility and tank in eng tree, that's my guess and I expect it to be accurate. ^^ But he can just confirm it or not.
This helped video helped me a good bit. I'm never gonna be great but I'm not a complete drag on a team now.
I need to learn key bindings. I usually run tanks or carriers but am so tired of clicking stuff with the mouse
I'm Sizer, and this is my favorite PvP video on the youtubes.
You are Sizer, and you are biased (you are even on his team in the vid) :D But when it comes to STO PvP, yes.
dum question what helps up you acuracy ? besides skill tree redo
There's quite a few consoles, sets, etc that you can use to boost it up: stowiki.net/wiki/Accuracy
on main I put heavy shields because I did not know better I Agmenteds no shields all on offense. builds ty for a lesson teacher 😄 that who I dont pvp afed of being a drag to my team
The stuff in this video made sense perhaps season 10 at the latest.
Nowadays, none of it is useful against organized elite PvP teams such as Evul Grandpas or House of Beautiful Orions or the returning Sad Pandas (if they actually manage to catch up after their long absence?). Plus the meta has changed completely... We have protonic modules, which cannot be easily avoided, placates, crazy AoE disables which cannot be cleared and insane tyken drains (which can be countered with awareness, hazard emitters and speed, but very inconvenient if caught). If you happen not to own these stuff, don't even show up for a PvP match.
I am curious about your keybinds though, I can probably learn a thing or two.
there is never a match available it seems
Sweet. An excuse to pick up the Sagittarius. I love the 23rd century skin.
Thanks for the video SOB. you are one of the best players in the game and you have all the good stuff that helps make that happen. The problem is that not all players can afford the equipment to make them competitive. I have been playing over four years and still don't have the stuff to keep up. I knew when Cryptic launched this season and talked about the PVP that it was going to be about the haves and the have-nots. I am sure that people don't want to suck but most just can't put the money into the game to keep from sucking so I guess they should just not play. (now that does suck) I am not saying anything bad about the video or SOB (he's my in-game hero) but Cryptic has once again found a way to drive players away IMO!
While SOB's personal build is expensive, honestly you can put something together on quite the cheap that will perform better than 90% of the people who enter the Arena. Rep gear goes a long way, fleet weapons with acc modifiers will suffice in most cases, and the most expensive must have trait is Invincible, which you can substitute Continuity for from the Temporal Spec if you don't have the resources. Being able to perform doesn't have to be about bling.
Can anyone recommend a good speed build?
How much did the build in the video cost in EC and Dil? (Including the ship)
The build I'm using should be somewhere upwards of 2.5-3 billion EC and around 2 million Dil. It's called "BudgetPvPShip" as a bit of a joke.
Basically any bugship build is out of range for most people, but there are many other potent ships that can get 90-95% of it's performance for less than 30-50% of it's cost.
Basically any bugship build is out of range for most people, but there are many other potent ships that can get 90-95% of it's performance for less than 50% of it's cost.
how did you manage to obtain two 200 defense ??
( _does a normal NPC still hit you?_ )
I'm stacking numerous things and getting some nice set bonuses that make it go that high. I've had a request to do a vid on it, so I'll likely toss something together later this week. Gonna be busy these next few days though.
SOB's Casual Corner thank you
Good points!
Especially if people actually take them and implement them into their pvp builds :)
Devoras , ye the one from TSI here.. just curiose if the console spam is still dominant? Also what is the new meta these days?
Proton spam is still an issue atm, but they're set to be nerfed with S14 next month.
The meta is be a sci drain / control boat, or be a cannon escort pretty much. There's so much survivability with consoles released over the years that it's absurd how much an escort or sci ship can tank. S14 is set to bring even more survivability with a new specialization focused on tanking / heals.
In essence pretty much more of the same since first introduction of consoles. Best to just stay away, unfortunantley since I do miss my Wells.
He said u can put everything on 1 button.... That's what I need lol
ah low lvl pvp was good fun at say captain rank but max rank is just eye rape and like this guy zipping around at warp 3 constantly. Also if you aren't buying stuff with real money there is no point.
Most people sux in PVP because STO PVP sux - all explained :)
r4plez ahah, yea but s13 gives hope to pvp
Hope yes, but there are still many things that need to be fixed. Better than pre-S13, but still far from perfect.
appreciate the tips
I understand what your saying but iv been playing sto for years but never played pvp so you need to give people a chance to learn how to play pvp
Heals ship this heals should have more range anyhow as not always easy to stay close to your heal ship when everyone always on the move and moving so fast and 10km really not a long range some AOE heals would be nice for pvp with a nice range on them
AoE heals actually do exist, and if you are a potent healer with teammates that don't go out of range all the time, 10km is definitely enough, it's enough if they are in the 10km for like 3 seconds, the issue is that many pugs carry out the fight 50km away from the healer, and don't even know that they have one.
SeaDax i remember a very old Vesta Console - out dated by now.
which ( _still_ ) has very good hull AND shield heal ... but 3 km Range :-(
and only the vasta class ships ...
Yeah there are 2 main issues, the range and the fact that vestas are very squishy.
Yes i know there is ONE AOE heal that come in not so long ago after 6 years but still 10km not so much when your always on the move FAST and most heals are to slow. But would be nice to have more AOE hes in the game for pvp so a healer can really do it job.
I_noSc0pedJFK .22 there are also *splash* heal effects .... but ... they are too weak ...
... mirror Harkeev (Doff) ...
... Starship Trait > nanite something
... but again ... 3 km
TOO MANY LITTLE PICTURES sry caps
Peasants..peasants everywhere...yall need to know the 12 commandments of Lord Chessus if you want to be OP. And the Lord brought Feedback Pulse With massive hull critzz and he saw that it was good...SuperKirkz for EVER!!!! Massacre beaming out.
It really gets me, that most of the speed exploit guys, only run in and out, with cannons, how is that pvp? that is arcade. You guys totally lost the theme of the game.
Having canon accurate PvP in this game isn't really a thing with how the meta has been.
It's certainly possible to do if you get everyone on board and setup themed matches, but that's extremely rare.
i sux just becaus loel☹
you missed the most I. portent thing in pvp and especially for someone like you who flies cannons.......ping!! bad ping means stuff don't work right especially cannons, basically the reason I stopped flying cannons and a lot of the experts did was the ping rate nothing worse than doing a 10k run at someone and not shooting 👍
I agree. I am from germany and way too often do skills not activate, shots not hit and so on. I have to put canons aside to play PvP. Sadly.
not gonna lie watching sob play cannons with his smooth as fek USA connection winds me up, it's so smooth watch as his activations and shots fire perfectly..........ahhhhh and what do I get, I have to click everything three times to make it work, my cannons come out of my back end after I've flown past them, my ship skips around the screen sometimes & when I throw heals out it doesn't register till after they have died.....you don't know how good you have it Mr sob 😘
I would contact your ISP if I were you, if you do have constant issues, that is. Despite my 180 ping to STO, and I do agree, occasional hiccups, the connection issues aren't the thing that are really stopping me in pvp (despite living in eastern europe).
Sure, STO's connectivity sucks harder than Marylin Monroe trying to get another movie role, but you can't blame everything on it.
So if you did just seriously say "people suck because of lag" (or rather, "I suck because of lag")... well, is your name DSP? "Online lag!"; "I'm pushing buttons!"
if you honestly believe ping and lag has no effect to this game then you my friend are a nub
Keizersoze, you are correct. But even if your ping is not too bad, you can have noticeable issues, I am still surprised that SOB runs DHCs, but since he lives in the US and does not have an awful ISP I guess, it works for him. Whenever I try to do DHCs (even tho my ping is like 150) I have insane firing delays, reason I use single cannons which come with 4x the arc with a damage penalty of like 25%, which I can take.
Currently what works too is an all turret build, you can literally focus on spamming abilities and all you need to bother about is staying in range and healing, it won't burst tanks but kills most players reliably, and is not the hardest thing to accomplish :)
@Isengrim R, ping is not the only factor, you can't blame the ISP for being bad or whatever, this game is literally different for everyone playing it, it has weird to awful server/engine optimization. So the last one to blame is the players playing it, nor their ISP.
This is not PVP. This is public queues... This is STO PVP Glory days! ruclips.net/video/k3_gPVq7cNY/видео.html
Until they make pvp "worth it" or make a proper ladder/ matchmaking system it will always be broken and this issue will always persist. Even if people did all of these things they still would not stand a chance. Pre-mades will always have the advantage against pugs. The people you are complaining about should be grouped against other similar skill/gear level players. If you want more of a challenge maybe don't make/join pvp as a group so you can pvp against your friends. Pvp has had no point in sto except for "Fun". The developers should make it relevant.
Basically SOB's your playing the wrong game if you expect any PVP let alone good PVP in STO... Sorry :D
Can get some fun games here and there, but yeah, most of the time PvP isn't a balanced fight and isn't really enjoyable. Usually tends to be swayed in one way or another.
What me and some friends always hope to see is the pvp mechanics be revamped, specifically like a PvP rep, a new UI similar to the new pve queue system and revamped pvp maps. :) Still waiting for that day :P but id prefer the borg battlezone get an overhaul first lol it looks so dated now and it doesn't get a proper introduction.
The Competitive Rep with S13 was their attempt at a PvP Rep.
Doubt most of that will happen though. Cryptic has very little commitment to PvE. We haven't even had the PvP scoreboard for most of the year,
Of course he thinks others suck. Just look at all his buffs on his screen. I've never seen so many. Would take years to get that. When your ship hits like 10 ships and is seemingly invincible of course you will think others suck even if their actual combat skills are light years ahead of your own. Put me in that ship and I will fight like 10 of you. And you won't hear me saying that others suck- I will use skills to help other ships out as I already do with a crappy T5 and with this junkpile I have turned the tide of battle repeatedly. Allies swarm to me when hurt so I can heal them and they come to my aid without me asking because of how I operate my ship. 99% of the time I feel like I have the weakest ship yet allies treat me like I am central to the group. It's not what you fly, folks- it's how you fly. Maybe some are loyal to me because many witness me literally dying rushing in to heal a stronger ally knowing he can make a bigger difference than me. I am willing (and I actually do it regularly) to cast my life and crew aside to achieve victory if I must. Captains must think of the bigger picture. If you think about it... we are all on the same side.
A: Achieving that amount of buffs isnt hard if you run the right build with the right starship traits, boff abilities and space traits.
B: How you fly is irrelevant if your build, binds or mindset are 'lightyears' behind other people you will simply never match any one of them until you accept and fix that, that's what this video is about.
People suck at pvp when they try because they usually bitch about how everything is unfair and impossible and things are op.
- from there you have 3 options:
1: Quit pvp
2: Keep getting killed and complain
3: Accept the requirements and become better with the help of others on both build and playstyle.
(C)onclusion:
I massively doubt that you have skills anywhere near anyone who is currently good at pvp due to your assumption that his buff bar is long, takes years to achieve and that skills matter most - they do IF your build and rest is optimized.
Over the past year I helped many people get good at pvp and they didn't come in and claim they were good but wanted to become good instead.
is this minecraft
Yeah, don't you see all the blocks and crafting that's going on?
oh yea now i see it
I heard this game is pay to win in PvP, if that’s true, exactly how much does it cost to win? Seriously.
Building a high end build for PvP or PvE can get very expensive if you want all the nice things.
Thing in STO is you can't just pay a ton and expect to do well, you also need to have the piloting skills to properly take advantage of every ability.
But these high end builds can easily cost hundreds of dollars if you want to fully min-max them. I think at this point a top of the line min-max pvp ship is going to be looking at easily $600-700+ worth of gear. All so you can sit in a PvP queue for a few hours waiting for a single match, if one happens that day.
@@CasualSAB dang. thanks for the reply. one more question... say i was a person who did a lot of research on builds and had plenty of in game money and/or spent a little bit of real life money (like $50-$100), could i "hang with" the super elite guys in pvp? like would it even be possible to withstand their damage and survive them and/or kill them? like is killing min/maxed players impossible as a person who isnt min/maxed? or how hard is it
@@ro00o33 It entirely depends on the skill of the person you're fighting. STO has one of the largest skill gaps out of any game I've played, as seen often in PvE, with most of the playerbase doing no more than 5-10k, while some can consistently do 200-300k+.
If you grind out a ton, you can do some casual PvP, and maybe some ker'rat, but even with the investment you're looking at, any of the high end PvP players will likely be able to destroy you with you having little to no way of putting up a serious fight.
Also, it's important to note that investing in PvP at this point may not be worth it, as there are very few people even doing PvP. It has no developer support, so every season adds in new items that tend to have a serious impact for those that can afford them.
PvP arena queues don't even really pop now outside of the endeavor. PvP in this game is effectively dead at this point due to the powercreep.
@@CasualSAB yea ive been researching this game and others for a while now and the fact that you say pvp is basically dead and ques are infinitely long is probably the deciding factor why i wont get this game.
i bought star citizen, and it is very ambitious (and pretty), but its super underdeveloped and incomplete. still in "super alpha", tons of bugs, very empty feeling. so i may try Elite Dangerous, which is basically an older, more complete version of Star Citizen from the looks of it. But I am hearing it has its problems too with people logging in the middle of combat, etc, but it looks fun enough to play pve anyway so i might give it a shot.
i really want a good open world vehicle/ship/mecha pvp game. if you know any let me know. besides Elite Dangerous, my last hope is for a game coming to early release on the 31st of this month called "Pantropy". It is a mecha open world mmorpg with pvp. but it will also be super early alpha so my expectations are not high, and it will probably be annoyingly unplayable for years if my guess is correct
again thanks for the answer sir!
PvP in the game was great when it had activity / before powercreep killed it. Was a unique experience with a great flying style, but yeah, it's sadly not worth investing in for sure at this point. There's a total of 6 people even playing any PvP content atm ingame, so not very active.
It's gotten to the point where many PvP players are now going after DPS/Speed records in PvE content to have something competitive to do in the game.
STO has a lot of potential on the PvP side of things, but the developers will never put the time or effort in to make it a huge part of the game.
Have looked for some other games myself, but none have a similar flying style. So I've just been playing FPS games to have that PvP action.
You really should socialize more! I didn’t like how you talk down at people
Being honest isn't necessarily talking down to people... Friends are honest with each other, and SOB is a friend of the community. He made this video out of his love for all of us. Put on your adult pants and give the guy a hug. He deserves it.