MORE HIDDEN DAMAGE found on my CHEAP Ferrari 458 Spider! How bad was it really WRECKED???
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Does the Diablo have an oil thermostat? 94-98 volvo 5 cyl turbo engines make a very very similar moaning noise like your diablo when the oil thermostat fails. Might be worth a mention to the Wizard.
I found some info indicating it does have an oil thermostat built into the oil filter housing. Might be a good chassis ear location.
Wow very perceptive!
may be worth a check
I was thinking it sounded like an oil pressure relief valve making noise as the spring bounced the valve...
An oil thermostat would be the same sort of sound...
It really sounds like a typical noisy regulator noise of some sort to me!
Lool nope. That’s only volvos
I had a car with a Bosch fuel pump and it sounded exactly the same and it made the noise resonate and sound like it was in the door, might be worth a look 👌 p.s. it only happened when the pump warmed up, took ages to find out what it was.
me too, i think the fuel pump is the problem, I have no doubt its the fuel pump
Pretty good area to look at
I also had a car with a fuel pump that made that exact noise
This! Put this up so they can see this!
The fuel tank and pump is in that location isn't it?
I used to resolve NVH issues as a former exhaust system engineer. After seeing a few of the videos with the Diablo, I'm convinced the issue is a mechanical resonance issue and not acoustic. I doubt microphones will be able to locate the problem. You will need to place some accelerometers in the suspect areas and feed those inputs into some kind of data collector to find what area/component is resonating. Perhaps the cheap way to work this process is try putting some weights in the suspect areas to see if it changes as mass will affect the resonant frequency. So give up on the microphones, they won't help!
pico scope with nvh sensors
Is that why some exhausts have weights welded onto them? To prevent resonance noises?
The Diablo noise is the air bypass release if it's coming from the passenger engine area. There's also an air balance system that connects both throttle bodies.
In terms of microphones an Omni-mic isn’t going to be able to directly locate any sort of sound. These mics in particular are of very low quality and I’m sure the accompanying calibration file isn’t that great either. While I’m very much an amateur car enthusiast I am a professional home cinema installer and calibrator. That being said using those styles of microphones to pinpoint sound pressure level output isn’t that feasible unless you can specify the frequency range you’re searching for as those omnidirectional microphones will pick up all sound in the relative area of their placement. For reference we use $3500 microphones to measure speaker and subwoofer performance in a semi anechoic manner and even at that price range they’re considered mid range.
@@georgeanddaddecker7563 Yes (weird, huh). Placing "mass dampers" on some suspension and drivetrain components is pretty common, too. I wonder if the Diablo is experiencing some engine mount resonance that's being transmitted to the frame/body.
I work in Automotive NVH, so here's something to consider about the Lambo noise:
I see some people mentioning oil thermostats and fuel pumps, which absolutely could make a noise like this. What might make it WAY more audible from inside the vehicle cabin is if the vibration is on one of those lines that's touching the body of the vehicle @9:50. It can wind up turning that body panel into a 'speaker' for the noise. (think about how much more noise your phone makes when vibrating on a table vs holding in your hand) This would make the noise clear as day INSIDE the cabin, but might be very difficult to hear from the engine bay.
If possible, it might be a good diagnostic step to try and prevent each of those lines from making contact with the body, or at least grabbing each one firmly by hand to try and damp the vibration/narrow things down.
It wouldn't make sense that it takes a while before the noise appears though. Sure some lines will get warm, but not hot enough to only expand by that point.
@@martij30 Maybe the lines only help to transfer a vibration that happens when some specific component gets hot.
Interesting theory you have there, this would indeed causes a similar noise however as this is happening at a certain rpm even when this car is stationary this seems unlikely. If I had to make a guess I would say something on the intake side of things is not aligned quite correctly and at a certain pressure is acting as a reed. Failing this potentially the return line to the fuel tank is vibrating at a certain flow rate (think like pipe knock on badly fitted central heating)… A potential diagnosis step may be to check roughly what rpm this happens at and then guesstimate the frequency of the sound… if it happens at 3000rpm and it’s a 3000hz drone it’s something rotating.. but overall just let em get on with it, they have more experience than we do with this machine (I’m not just an armchair mechanic, I work for chevron in the uk and work rebuilding b8 and b17 engines)
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@@cunningstunt9226 It just might be the cause, lately been seeing more people think that its the cause, but in the video he said it happens at idle but he had to get it warm before it started, so maybe it only happens at idle when its warm since the drive was a cold start
really appreciate you guys showing how involved it is to have these very special cars and showing the process is even better enjoy watching the mechanics thought process
The hammer in the uk is often referred to as “the Edinburgh Socket Set “ 😂
Or Manchester Screwdriver 🤨
A favorite description of Robbie Coltrane (played Hagrid in the original Harry Potter movies) in his 1997 miniseries Coltrane’s Planes and Automobiles.
I like to call it a swing press
Or "The Clarkson"
the tonya harding
“Spacers or shims” seems like a pretty good idea for mounting a structural crossmember in the backend of a Ferrari.
"Never buy a salvage title" 🤣
Ha, ha, ha
In keeping with hole saws and carbon fibre tubs......
@@WN_Byers in my area they’re selling rebuilt tittles with 20k miles + for like 20k or more 🤣
@@2tooful 😶 daaamn. i bet that could true for my area too
My doctor bought a Ferrari (but a Testarosa) back in the early 1990's. Looked fabulous in the showroom and in his garage. However, it frequently wouldn't start and, when he did get it started, and he went out for a drive, he'd arrive home and something would have fallen off. Not kidding.
He got rid of it and bought a 1996 Porsche 993. Twenty six years later, the 993 is still on the road, no CEL, no rust, no oil leaks and looks gorgeous. Oh yeah, I bought it off him back in 2005. #My993
Good story.
And good purchase on your part. I bet it'll go up in value. 👍
My old boss had a older Jaguar that was exactly as you described the Ferrari every time he drove it it broke absolute junk......To me a Porsche is a way better car to have if you actually intend to drive it.
Hey Hoovie, just ran a VIN check on your 458, it has an open recall as of March 22 for the Oil brake reservoir, you wouldn't want it.... burning down, would you?
Ofcourse he does, he will get more content that way. He doesn't care about most of his cars lol
That recall has nothing to do with a fire though, its for a potential brake fluid leak in the reservoir. Means he'll randomly lose breaks. Far more dangerous then it catching on fire though, because you can at least stop and get out if it does. Can't stop too well without brake fluid though.
Brake fluid is very flammable and will ignite on something like an exhaust manifold - a slow steady leak in the engine bay could be disastrous.
@@stuc.6592 Except that brake lines rarely run through engine bays, especially close to hot parts such as exhausts. Still, a possible brake fluid leak is pretty dangerous.
@@stuc.6592 That is why brake reservoirs in the front trunk area on a 458. Congrats.
Glad to see Johnny again!
Get all of the Jonny than you can stand at Car Ninja channel!
Hey, Long shot because its wildly different but I had my hemi replaced in my truck and got a drone and it took hundreds of hours and several different shops but it turned out to be a pad between the intake manifold and the engine valley that was missing and that pad dampened the engine harmonics and stopped them from resonating in the intake manifold maybe your problem is as simple as a missing sound deadening pad or a missing heat shield. Worth a look
That pad is commonly removed due to a water saturation issue that becomes catastrophic failure after the intake manifold leaks. I've seen a few 5.7 hemis hydrolock because of it. It usually presents itself as a hole in the block on the passenger side.
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You're the second person i've seen talk about it being the exhaust resonating... im pretty sure this is the issue
@@AwkwardYet he did even talk about exhaust… what?
Ninja: Can I take it for a spin?
Hoovie: oh, of course!
That seemed so genuine on both sides, I love it.
Great idea with the mics but would it not have been better to watch a plot of frequency spectrum? This sounds like a resonate pitch at a specific frequency. In other words, something is resonating independent of RPM once temperature comes up and vibrations induce a resonate pitch. You would see a spike at say 400 Hz and one would have the biggest spike at the same spot.
That's true but you're not looking for the pitch, you're looking for the source.
@@muskokamike127 The pitch tells you if you are looking at the problem or just the biggest noise maker. The way they describe it is always the same pitch sound regardless of rmp, gear, speed etc.
@@user-od9iz9cv1w “I concur,” in my best and most
Convincing Expert sounding voice. (Moooona)
I agree. Going by loudness only is useless as the engine is loud so how would you differentiate between the loud frequencies without an O-Scope ? A VU meter just displays loudness. I also would have expected the mechanics scope done long ago when they figured out it makes the noise at rest when heated up. No need to drive to isolate the noise itself.
That would be classic. Spends $15K on an exhaust when a $200 fuel pump would have fixed it. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
14:53 some convertible tops DO have glass rear windows; it’s just cheaper for GAHH to just have one box for their tops, and technically you are correct that boxes with that message are handled with a little more care.
yer right ser, my Z4 got glass rear window, seeing other older roadsters with wringly, milky and overall ehh looking plastic rear windows I find it to be a good solution even if it added another 5 kilos on top (quite literally)
yeah, my reasonably cheap 1997 Pontiac Sunfire had rear glass and built in defroster in the glass. I bought it for around $10K when 2 years old and < 20K miles. Also had leather and power everything. No reason any car over 20K wouldn't have real glass.
Yeah even my NB2 miata has rear glass
“We’re gonna pull the bar off, and I have an 8 pound sledgehammer.” The words of an innovative genius.
Words of a hack
This was a really fun one! Thoroughly enjoyed the Ferrari updates and your interactions with Wizard and Ninja. Well done.
I love that Ninja asked if he could take it for a spin even though he has his own he is too busy to drive
I believe his is an automatic though. Probably wants to give the manual a try.
Also a 360 vs. a 355
"will smith it" Love it!!
For the diablo try changing the O' ring in the power steering pump, the o ring might have failed and is letting air inside the system, after changing the o ring you will need to top up the power steering pump and then keep on steering left and right until the noise is gone, I have a honda crv and had the same moaning issue lots of mechanics told me different and expensive solutions that will cost me thousands of dollars however after a long search all I did is change the o ring and the issue was fixed
11:20 Hydraulic press while heating the Aluminium would be a MUCH better method, especially as its a HOLLOW rectangular part - until the new part shows up
Yes, at 12:03 you can see the upper part is now bent inside. But it was funny moment, hopefully the part is not under high stress during driving.
Yes, they need a new cross member
But it doesn't make for good content. Remember, this show is fake and made for entertainment.
I heard the collective gasp of shock from all the people at the factory in Maranello when Wizard said "8 pound sledgehammer. "
That’s how they fix stuff in the Army
No, they said …even more money for us!
@@MrGlock509 I didn't know they offered a military spec Ferrari 458.
I had a car that also made that same exact sound and it turned out to be the fuel pump. It was loud only after it warmed up, which makes perfect sense in your case.
Love seeing your exotics. You make me laugh with the commentary, but each one I truly enjoy watching them come back to life. Best luck with them all.
Loving the background of the wizards shop. So many goodies
Love to see the wizard pull out the precision tools
My serpentine belt / pulley sounded like that when it wasn’t perfectly aligned. Granted that was on a 66’ Datsun 520.
2004 F150 Idler pulley would sound like that too.....only when cold and only at certain RPMs too....
LMAO..."you're just gonna 'Will Smith it'"? Love the reference to smacking Chris Rock in relation to straightening the transmission support bar. LOL. Priceless!!
A new expression!
Look at that Shiney Meekur Xr4ti in the ground. I miss mine so much, such a fun cat
hmm why not put the gear box crossmember on a Bearing press
My thoughts too
Press would have been far better than a hammer.
No hydraulic press in the shop you can use ?
I'm sure he does but that way looked way better for a YT video.
Have you checked the engine mounts on the Diablo? That resonance sounds familiar. It would do it mostly at idle then find a specific rpm at which the resonance would be most notable.
We used to use the old style single post car lifts as a press ,to bend things like that straight. You could be very precise modulating the air lever on those.
As usual, great entertaining content, thanks for sharing
Sounded a bit like a fuel pimp or scavenge pump.
Try adding a Teflon based oil additive and a slightly thicker oil to rule out the engine
Have you thought about Radio interference? I used to have a stereo that would wine up or down with the engine revs. I stuck an inline filter on it and it fixed 90% of it except this irritating whine at about 3500 revs. Coming out of stereo speakers it can be hard to realise its NOT an engine noise....
Glad you are putting the due diligence into getting this girl taken care of. Great Hooptie find, and deserves to get brought back as best as you can.
‘Will smith’ just became an urban dictionary term lmfaoooooo
Only Ferrari ever fixed with a sledge hammer. Gotta love Hoovies garage.
Having once looked into replacing the top on a much less valuable convertible, I presume the company that made the Ferrari's replacement top is named for the sound one makes when seeing how much their products cost.
3:27 “I’m walkin’ on sunshine...yeah.. and don’t it feel GOOD! HEY!”
Gotta love how when the Ninja asked if he could take it for a spin he immediately said 'Of course'.
Mate you notice the Cosworth in the background!?
@@psychotictactoe I didn't! I have noticed the Wizard has an Alfa 164 in the shop though!
Let me know if this has been suggested before!!**** I am sure you have heard it all by now…. BUT!!! Check the PCV system. This sounds like air being pushed/sucked through a restrictive orifice. If your creating vacuum in the crankcase sucking air past a seal can make a noise very similar to this.
Yep, that'd be my guess. Had a BMW do something similar when a bad PCV created internal suction. Similar moaning noise as air sucked past rear main seal.
Look forward to hearing your Diablo with the Capristo. I just bought a Porsche 987.2 Cayman S that already had a full Capristo headers and valved exhaust. Love it.
I like that “merkur XR4Ti” I had one in 87. Great car. 🚘🏁🚘
My father had a 1983 Honda Civic wagon that after warming up will make a similar noise and it was related to the fuel pump. The car will be normal but after some, it will start doing the same noise. I think you have two fuel pumps on the Lambo. That is my guess. Love the channel keep it up and check mine when you can Daily Drivers Inc.
That 355 is a timeless design. Looks good no matter how old it is.
Last of the truly beautiful ferraris..
@@koosgijsman So the Enzo doesn't exist?
@@hakeemsd70m
I want whatever these guys are smoking, the 355 aged like pure dogshit and imo was a regression of Ferrari styling, given the fact it came *AFTER* the F40 and around the same time as the F50 and still aged much worse.
I honestly find the 355 ugly
@@samueljones3668 i agree. The 355 just looks hideous in my opinion
Enjoyed the content and of course the light hearted humour of Hoovie always entertaining.
Car Wizard and Magic Mike have got to be the nicest, coolest mechanics ever, giving Hoovie so much time and attention. Plus Hoovie always brings them an interesting (or at least profitable) project to work on. 😜
I love when Wizard horses around and laughs. Just the best!
He ran away from Hoovie’s clamps right quick! 😂
Seller: It was crashed into a ditch
The Grand Canyon: Hey, I recognize that Ferrari!
OMG... My very first car I bought when I was 16 yrs is sitting in the back of the Garage. I still love this car... that Merkur Xr4Ti ..love, love, love it. Wizard... please show it on your channel.
I had a XR4I in 1984. Great car. Lots of space in the backseat , haha.
Hi there. I love your channel. Keep it up. You could try checking the oil pump bypass valve spring. I experienced this exact issue on a 996 3.4 when i was a car mechanic back in the early 2000's. The spring broke and resonated. Sounded like this. All the best for you 🙂
Wouldn't a press give you a bit more control over the bending process?
Its a joke
Yeah, exactly what I thought. With a hammer you're more likely to create crush points at the impact site on an aluminium bar, as well as increasing the chance of shattering an Italian-grade piece of cast Alu.
Press + spreader block would be my route of attack. Doesn't look as good in a thumbnail I guess.
@@CarWizard you're not funny though
RUclips is not real my friend it's for the lols
11:20 Hydraulic press while heating the Aluminium would be a MUCH better method, especially as its a HOLLOW rectangular part - until the new part shows up
Yeah Ferraris and Lambos are cool, but can we get more on what's going on with that Merkur XR4Ti in the background??
It’s on wizards channel
Called Sierra's in Europe, extremly fast sports saloon with race n rally history
Just as an aside, it was really sweet to respond to “can I take it for a spin?” with such a happy, eager “of course!” I dunno why but that made me smile.
Thanks for posting Hoovie! 🤗🤩
Wow thats a clean XR4TI, my dad had one deff a different car.
Wizard should have just put that crossmember on a press, and press it back flat.
That's why I pass on potential Wheeler Dealer cars that have been in accidents - they may look fine on the outside, but you never know what's lurking underneath. Generally nothing but headaches.
And when in doubt, ALWAYS use the BFH.
1976 and 77 Chargers with the 400 ci lean burn engine sometimes had an exhaust resonance noise. The factory approved correction consisted of a U shaped 6 lb. weight clamped to the right side exhaust pipe near the engine. Worked every time. Why the right rather than the left is beyond me. Chrysler came up with novel approaches to some problems.
Is Tyler a Ferrari man or a Porsche man? The answer: he's a hoopie man
Or a Lamborghini man
*Hooptie
What happens if you throw it into neutral at that speed and hold rpm
I'm sure the Wizard has already thought about this but I'd be asking myself whether the Diablo noise is related to engine speed, road speed, gear selection or none of the above.
I think you said it whines when parked so that SHOULD eliminate everything related to the drive-train and air-flow, which just leaves the engine and ancillaries.
After the hassle you had with the Murci', I wonder about, perhaps, a pulley or belt that's vibrating at certain RPM.
Maybe it'd be possible to adjust some of the auxillary belts and see if it has an effect on the whine?
I am pretty sure that you guys and everyone on here have thought of everything on the Diablo that it could possibly be.
I would be looking at all fluid caps, intake, vacuum hoses, vacuum booster and even for loose loom wrap. It sounds a lot like gaffer tape flapping (I have had some extreme hoopties...). The engine is shifting a lot of air, even when static, and the fact it seems to happen in a rev specific range I (in typing this) would be looking for flapping tape or such.
LOL, "We're gonna Will Smith it"
Hoovie buying a decent car? That's impossible!
Loving the FORD SIERRA XR4i in the background... more content on that please !
The best part about these videos is when Tyler acts like a goofball around magic mike and wizard . They don’t have the same sense of humor and you can just see them rolling their eyes ! The best !!
I almost feel like it would have been better to just fine someone with a metal shop that could cut out and weld together a new cross bar to be installed rather than bending and risking it being potentially structurally compromised. Maybe I've just been watching too much Superfast Matt.
I was thinking the same
They should have heated the bend and used a 2x4 as a lever to gently pressure the bend out, mount it hot so that it cools and tightness in place. No issues. Hammering it cold, very stupid.
He should take it to Puddin's Fab Shop. Guy could do it in a day and make a video out of it.
You guys are making me very nervous smashing a large piece of metal 2 feet from the bodywork of a Ferrari, you're crazy haha.
From my old memory , in the 70s Peugeot (504) rally team used to use a hydraulic press to bend the rear cross member with a weight of about 500kg to get negative camber on the rear end.
That howl at specific RPM's usually denotes a rotating assembly not airflow. Most of the time its an issue with the transmission. I'm no pro but Ive had that problem. If it sounds like a supercharger and you don't have one.... well... transmission.
Taking a hammer to fix a Ferrari.
Jeremy Clarkson would be so proud 😂
All the best to everyone
Not if it was his car
Cletus McFarland too
"will smith it" 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
You're well on your way to buying the Wizard another yacht!
I love how he goes, "can i take it for a spin?" And hoovie says sure😂
Hoovie you’ll happy to know that I saw this car being fixed at Billie Bob’s car straightnin shop. Billie Bob just got hisself a brand spanking new come-along for the more technical body work. Plus he uses genyouwine Krylon on ALL his repaints.
If these microphones can filter out frequencies other than the frequency of your noise, that would help a lot. As funny as it might seem, you need to eliminate as much noise as possible to find the right kind of noise
Needs a software bandpass filter
@@airthrowDBT Pretty much, I just couldn't find the right words for that. Thanks
I wondered when I'd see the Wizard fixing something with the BFH.
Btw what's a bfh
@@lilorbielilorbie2496 Yes sir,when all else fails bring out the BFH.
Hey Hoovey that noise.... must be driving you mad !! I Had an XJ12 HE Jag that made a very similar noise to your Lambo, Power steering was the noise got worse as the fluid went down... Hope you find it!! Thanks for your Vids man! your collection is mega!!
I miss the old hoovie, most people can’t relate to buying “the worlds cheapest supercar etc” make hoovies garage great again!
Look at that stunning Sierra Cosworth 😍🥵
Hoovie: "I think you need to put your hips into it."
Wizard: "I don't wanna go too far."
Eh, I think a press and some hard sheets of metal would have been much better to straighten that cross-member. A little heat wouldn't hurt either. Now you've got one that's 'straight' and dented in along its length. Ugh.
"You're just gonna Will Smith it!!!" - Hoovie. New classic line!!! Love the videos as always!
that Ferrari almost sounds like an old F1 car. Excellent
The flat-plane crankshaft gives it that exotic sound
The 458 is by far one of the nicest Ferrari’s ever made
Agreed, and the 458 is easily the greatest mid-engine V8 Ferrari of all time.
Oh my my I almost fainted when I saw behind the three of you that perfect looking and very shiny Ford Sierra Cosworth!! She...looks...CLEAN!!
Big fan, keep up the crazy videos love em! 😁❤
That is an XR4ti my friend, not a Cosworth. Wizard has a separate video on his own channel all about it 👍🏻
I laughed so hard when wizard hit the crossbar with sledge hammer like nothing else happen 🤣 so that's perfect solution when you don't have the part hahaha.
It’s nice to see, when all else fails, backyard brute force mechanical repairs prevails. The Wiz is the man!😎
Please ndi experts speak out. You have weakened the aluminum part. It needs strengthening welds to assure long term efficiency.
No it doesn't.
Best episode in a long time. Car Wizard rules.
“Certain RPM” means resonant frequency… could be something with a rolling element bearing.
If it moans when parked but revving… how about a partially blocked hydraulic line or connection… pumping oil to a cam for example but droaning like a wind instrument.
Love the effort in tracking down that moan, which you can hear on the video. I'd just turn the stereo up or take the top off. Problem solved. Then again, I don't drive an "exotic". My trusty 2015 Lexus RX350. Only moans in it come from me. LOL Nice of you to let the Car Ninja take the 355 for a spin.
I drive a 2014 Lexus LS460.... Very dependable. I would love to have a 355 or 360 but, dam the expense to own....
The best part about this Ferrari is that you can drive the hell out of it
Until i breaks down 50 feet down the road lol
1:44 - The 24F was also the standard battery for many Fords from the mid 60's up to at least the 80's.
Always love seeing car ninja in these
I’m so glad Tyler is actually doing the under tray. A lot of others were also screaming to get him to just do
I thought by law manufacturers are supposed to keep parts available for at least 10 or 15 years.
Why the hell did you believe that utter nonsense?
@@JackTheripper911 because I was working at a Suzuki dealership in Canada. When Suzuki decided to pull out of Canada, the dealership became a Mitsubishi dealership. But we were told by Suzuki that we have to be able to maintain a supply of parts for at least 10 years
I related to the BMW hammer. I am a potter and have a hammer with “QUALITY CONTROL” written on the handle and it has been well used.
One of the most entertaining videos on your channel