I honestly believe Goku gets hard while fighting. The second the tournament starts "Toppo fight me daddy!" Then he sees jiren gives him that "I want u so badly" face. Sees dyspo fighting his old squeeze and gets jealous and tells Hit "Save yourself for me later big boi"
Actually, for years, we've seen Piccolo endlessly meditating, and traditionally, he is often depicted as the closest to keeping up with the Saiyans, so yeah. If we're going a mental/spiritual route, then Goku may find his final great limit break in forging a better healthier attachment to his family and friends.
Rob Morris mental training, the only gist of mental training he haa gotten was rendered to him by kami if i am not mistaken Goku needs more of that for sure
That's actually a good point. By MasakoX's logic, in order for Goku to finally achieve his greatest potential, he really would need a better mental and spiritual training regimen.
In Goku's own words "I wanna fight really strong guys." He felt bad about killing someone as unique and powerful aa Buu. Thats what people dont get about the character sometimes. He likes seein peoples potential in battle but he despises killing...its a way for him to make ammends and like he said himself after he's done training Uub they will fight again and it will be a really great match. He gets that wide-eyed childlike look lol
Goku despise killing STRONG people. He's killed many times without a care in the world, like the red ribbon army, tambourine, etc. in fact, this whole universe of power death thing doesn't effect him that bad because weaker universes aren't as fun
Tristan Earhart Goku's distaste for killing only became a thing after being trained by Kami, so I always got the feeling that Kami basically taught him a kind of morality.
I dunno that he despises killing, per se, more that he figured out that others besides himself come back stronger if left alive. This was probably something he realized upon facing the much stronger, younger incarnation of Piccolo, whose existence is a result of defeating the original Piccolo. And indeed, Piccolo Jr. is the first person Goku spares for this reason. Oh, and he also dislikes it when people he likes die. But I don't think he's inherently morally against taking a life.
Frieza started out as being undefeatable without Super Saiyan and was able to surpass Super Saiyan God through training. Same with Android 17. So just imagine how strong Uub could get when his starting potential is SS3 tier. I think Goku realized that when he wanted to train Uub. Goku's always been several steps ahead of Vegeta. If he wants a real rival, then his best bet is to train one himself.
You know going with Goku might have been better for Uubs village then if he had just won the price money. I mean even if Goku does not really care he is someone with incredible connections. Ignoring the Kais and Dende (who might give a hand by making it possible for the village to have farms) he still knows some of the most influential humans on earth. His son married Hercules daughter and he has been friends with Bulma for years. He could ask them for help. Herc could get more for the village by doing some campaign and Bulma could make something that would help them with growing food. Even if he does not care he would notice that this is on Uubs mind distracting him so it would be in Gokus best interest to help.
You have a typo goku knew Bulma for years (plural) , I would probably would've used decades instead but yeah goku could've easily helped the village even using the dragon balls
Not sure in the original Japanese version, but in the dub he tells Uub not to worry about winning the prize money from the tournament because he will get Mr. Satan to sponsor him meaning he will give Uub a ton of money.
Why did Goku train Uub? Because he hoped the sequel would've made him into a better opponent than whatever happened with GT. Ok, now let's actually watch the discussion video.
Goku did think about having a successor, so I don't think the reasoning is as extreme as him "only" caring about himself. That's ignoring Goku's selfless qualities. Goku does selfish things, but he does care for his family, friends and the Earth. He's, both, happy to have a potential new equal opponent and also thinking of the future, training a successor. Goku planned to initially pass the torch to Gohan, even deciding to stay dead to protect everyone, but that didn't work out. This is also why Chichi decided to try and train Goten, but neither Gohan nor Goten are interested in becoming Goku's successors. It would be great if Super ended with an alternate ending where we do see Goku change as a character because of the events in the story and end up training Uub while still staying together with his family (training Pan, as well, together with Uub), though.
Great comment. I know this is from a year ago. But people want Goku to be this completely selfish guy when in all actuality he's very selfless. I mean he has moments of selfishness but I think he's a hero all things considered.
You can only resist your instincts for so long. At some point, Goku had to do some soul-searching and he had to face facts that he didn't save Earth all those times to do good. It was the best way to fight strong guys. Dragon Ball Super depicts a Goku who made peace with that fact I think.
Hey, if you want something done, you do it yourself. At the point of DBZ finishes, there's no one on Earth (maybe even not in the omniverse) that know more about fighting and martial arts than Goku, so, the best teacher to train the ultimate fighter.
I wonder if Cabba-Vegeta, Uub-Goku will train and have a time skip and then have Uub and Cabba battle it out then after their fight, the big one begins. Goku v Vegeta 3
Goten should go his own way. My idea is when he becomes a Teenager, he becomes a rebel. Kinda like Vegeta but without the killing. Pan should be trained by Gohan if he keeps his training up. Later in DBS, there'll be an arc where only the kids are a part of. Pan, Bra, Uub, Goten, Trunks and Maron. They'll all be on a trip to some beach on a distant planet but Pan and Bra went off somewhere. Goten and Maron went looking for them and Trunks and Uub went looking for Goten because they wanted to spar. Now, they're in a forest on an unknown planet with powerful monsters nearby. And so starts the mini-arc of 5 episodes in DBS. - Goten and Maron fall in love - Pan and Bra show off their terrifying strength - Trunks grows up like his dad - Uub will beat the powerful monster Would be a great arc for the characters and in DBS.
I would like the idea that Pan and Goten would be upset at Goku for running off with Uub and Vegeta knowing that he can't surpass Goku trains them as there master as a counter to Goku training Uub.
I think Goten wouldn't be upset about that because he is very much like Goku but he trains under Piccolo and Vegeta as a switch off. Pan gets trained by Gohan would be much better IMO. Vegeta should just keep training Trunks
Quentin Messerli Same here... it feels like too much has changed for them not to, if it's the last episode you would think they would sum things up with Whis and Beerus as well... and they didn't exist when the end of Z was created
The don't rewrite the End of Z. At least, it is not in plan yet. Actually, they stated they have a plan how to include the End of Z into current storyline of Super. And I feel MasakoX is on point here. He caught idea of Toriyama and Toyotaro right.
I'm pretty sure that's what's going to happen. Super will eventually go to the end of Z and probably beyond. Maybe Uub will be there, but maybe Goku won't leave his family.
I 'm trying to figure when Goku got his fighting addiction. He didn't have it in the original series. First he just wanted to see Shenlong and thought he would just get the four star ball back. Second arc he trains under Roshi who made the ofter, but it didn't stand out from Krillen or Yamcha. Third arc he goes looking for the four star ball and happens to encounter the red ribbon army on the way. And then destroying then so he could bring one of their victims back to life despite already having the four star ball and the army not really being a challenge. Then king Piccolo because he killed Krillen, Roshi and chiaotzu. And then trained under Kami after learning about Piccolo jr after going there to get Kami to revive the ones who died. It seems to start in the saiyan arc where they made him an alien and they started making everything about him his saiyan origin. He has a tail? Alien. He can turned into a giant ape? Alien. He likes fighting? Alien and now he is randomly addicted to fighting. He is a bad father and husband? ALIEN!
Yasuda1986 The turn Goku had to becoming addicted to fighting was against Vegeta when he met someone so strong it tested him to his limits he spared Vegeta cause of that so he could fight him again after that Goku kept getting excited about a higher challenge then after he became a super Saiyan he had used anger to fight and transform and by nature anger makes you more fight prone. Then in the Cell Saga Goku sees fighting as a means of getting stronger so he can fight the next strong one that comes along. So when he faced Vegeta a second time he was smirking more and loving it far different from the Goku he use to be in the Saiyan saga.
Frankly it might have been better if goku hadn't been made an alien. It doesn't really add anything and Toriyama keeps making everything about Goku's character be his alien origin.
He always had a fighting(/training) addiction, see him wanting to eagerly be trained by Roshi. It's just that in the original he was more muted as he can put it aside for other interests. His heritage really became a lazy crutch for Toriyama just so he can write the simplest character all while blaming it on him being an alien.
I wouldn't really call that an addiction to fighting. It didn't really seem more intense than Krillen, Yamcha or Tenshinhan. The rest stands, Goku really suffered from character de-evolution.
I thought it was pretty obvious why... He wanted to fight him again, fairly, without the universe at stake so he could do it alone without interference from the others. Same reason he wanted Krillin to spare Vegeta on earth.
I wouldn't be too sure. Goku is selfish, but he still understands what's important. In the Frieza saga, he stayed behind to fight Frieza completely at his own risk. If anything, having everyone else go back to Earth set him at ease because there was no way any of them could get caught in the crossfire. Throwing Cell a 仙豆 may have been the quintessential "Goku's an idiot" moment, but back then he really did beileve that Gohan would defeat Cell without any effort. (senzu already means "magic bean." You don't need to say "senzu bean") The complications that arose were simply beyond his foresight. He shows no signs of envy and instead is proud of his son's accomplishment and then sacrifices his own life to save the earth. Goku was well and truly dead for the beginning of the Buu Saga and he knew that he wasn't going to be able to stick around for much long so he made the effort to impart what he knew to Goten and Trunks. He even expended what little time he had left on Earth to go SSJ3 so that Gotenks could do the same. Goku had every opportunity to zip off to some unknown corner of the galaxy to train in peace but instead he is shown doing farmwork to sustain his family. What need would Goku have to do this if fighting was really all that mattered to him? Toriyama didn't really put that much thought behind the ending to Z. He needed something to give a sendoff. If he had put more care into it perhaps he would have had Goku set up a fighting school, appoint Uub as it's head after he had imparted all of his techniques, and then spent the rest of his days living quietly on his farm. It isn't always about limits and getting stronger. Toriyama loves manga. He wouldn't have become a mangaka if he didn't. He could have kept going and going with Dragon Ball, making it better and better with a re-write here and a continuation there and a subplot over there -- but in the end he just wanted a change. Even Goku can get bored of fighting all the time, especially when it doesn't look like there's anything else to learn. That's why he likes to go fishing or just relax by a river instead like he did right before the Cell games. At this point, I think the people de-humanizing Goku more than anyone are the fans, not the writers.
Was that all talk just now? I asked you a question. If you're having trouble coming up with an answer then it looks like you've yet to realize something. "Manipulating a situation" *is* writing. Asspulls are writing too. Rules and limits are made to be broken. The more effective you are at manipulating the situation, the more effectively you can influence the audience's emotions and expectations.
Do what though? He always wants to fight strong fighters. He did leave the world in good hands but it seems kinda weird to say he just disappears because he could do whatever he wants when all he ever wanted to do was fight strong guys and eat food.
Think that was just in the Dub that portrayed Goku as a more Superhero like figure, rather than the pretty selfish, battle obsessed person he actually is, sure he's still technically "good" in a way though.
No, he did not. He is selfish in general. He does not care about saving Earth or Universe. He want to fight strong opponents for fun, get stronger. Yeah, sometimes he want to save his friends or avenge, like it was when Krillin was killed by Tambourine, or Gohan was kidnapped. But it is pretty personal. He is not hero and savior.
Actually, in the Toriyama-written Neko Majin Z manga, Uub is living with Goku, Chi Chi, and Pan at Goku's house, so at least we know Toriyama's thoughts on the ending
Rei Ranmaru, one of the underlying ironies of that is the fact that Gohan could work fighting miracles with his scientific knowledge and analytical thinking, if he just put them to combat use... and it would give him an ever bigger strategic edge in comparison to others (not that his sluggy alien mentordad didn't already help there). He should be one of the most well-rounded fighters in the multiverse, really. Then again, he does break down the science of ki manipulation and make it readily available to the normal populace of Earth several decades down the line, so there's that at the very least. :)
Whis never said that Goku and Vegeta were reaching their limits. That was Vegeta back in the Champa Saga and he went against his statement later by saying, "Saiyans have no limits".
Goku spent his early life living in the mountains with Grandpa Gohan, whom he eventually killed after becoming a great ape, leaving him completely alone. At the start of Dragon Ball, he's never even seen a car or a woman before. It stands to reason that someone like him would have a very unusual outlook on family and human interactions in general long into adult life. Here's a real what if scenario for you: What if Goku married Bulma instead of Chichi. Now *that's* how you shake up a timeline! (I don't know if you've done that one. It's just the first thing that came to mind.) It's no wonder that Toriyama had such a hard time drawing Chichi because her character just seemed to revolve around being a girl who's infatuated with Goku. She's whiny, nagging, clingy and complains all the time. Really she just comes off as all of the things Toriyama found annoying about girls all rolled into one character. Bulma is always a joy to see though because there are aspects to her character that Toriyama can instantly identify with: she's a scientist and has a love of technology. On top of that it lets her actually do shit and contribute to the plot. She complains as well, but the nature of her complains are usually less petty and more relatable. She doesn't care who it is either, if they've upset her they're going to hear about it. Not even Beerus is scary enough to deter her.
Not going to lie here. It kind of feels like this explanation is only a thing because people were criticizing Goku's character in Super. As if the Uub moment was one of the only things getting in the way of the "Goku's always been selfish" counterargument. Hell, the last sentence almost comes off as "Just let go of the idea that Goku should be more selfless at this point already." Maybe I'd feel differently if the other side of the argument had some acknowledgement other than "It's wrong" because, as you said yourself, the ending was left ambiguous. But whatever.
Sadly, from what I've seen people were praising Goku's character in Super because this what Toriyama originally wanted Goku to act like, not what the anime adaption did prior to Kai and Super. As a matter of fact when that reason came up, people were quick to pin the blame on Funimations early dub of DBZ, when from what I recall, Toriyama found fault in both the Funimation dub and the original Japanese version because they treated Goku more like a hero, with Funimation making Goku slightly Superman-ish with that speech he gave to Freeza on Namek
I blame Master Roshi. In the original Dragon Ball after Goku's first world tournament, Roshi tells Goku he should not be focused on winning but to train and that there are always a more powerful people out there, which drove Goku to training throughout his life. Couple on to the fact that every time there starts to be a moment of peace, a new opponent arrives to give Goku a reason to train more. Roshi never taught Goku moderation and I think his Saiyan blood drives Goku to becoming stronger.
If Piccolo can keep up with the Sayains from just meditating, that should say a lot about how far Goku can go, if he started to focus on just mental training. There's also a chance that he'll keep discovering new transformations. Similar to how Gohan has realized that going down the "mystic" path, he can bypass the aggressiveness of the Super Sayain forms, but still be just as strong.
oralom Well I just don't know that Goku's ever made significant gains From it but I'm sure he could if Toriyama decided to change the focus of the training regimens to mental.I would love it if Piccolo got the win over Jiren because he meditates almost as much as Jiren does but I don't see that happening
Reread the last chapter of dragon Ball, goku said he going off train uub but he was going to come back to see everyone as often as possible also he told uub that he would convince Mr Satan to give him and family the money they needed.
The fucked part is. Pan should have an immense potential. She should have more potential than Uub lol. His character while cool to have was not needed. because pan was already there.
I'm sorry but I call BS. This has no effect on the end of Z because Dragon Ball Super wasn't even thought of when the original ending was written, so in other words, characters like Whis and Jiren didn't even exist. They were only later retconned into existence
@MasakoX I think the only problem with the thought process you give to this video is that this is America's Hero Goku. Fighting for his friends, family, and loves ones against Frieza, self sacrifice against Cell, and when the universe's most feared being was reincarnated, he took the Supreme Kai's job of thinking about the future of the universe. Now at this time we only knew of Buu, not Beerus. And even Beerus is linked with Buu as being the two beings never to mess with as told to Frieza. He looked after Uub to train him to use his powers for good. Sure Goku would get a good fight and learn from Uub, but his selfish ways that are maid apparent from Dragon Ball, and Dragon Ball Super aren't as apparent with the Buu arc. In regard to other ideas pitched in this video, SSBlue Goku and Golden Frieza clearly went toe to toe evenly, if not a slight advantage to Frieza, in the movie replay arcs. The only difference was that Frieza couldn't sustain the form. Frieza sustaining "mental training", would still not give the body endurance to handle a form that drains stamina. I'm also going to note that Dragon Ball Super is full of other convenient plot devices and cop outs. Trunks learns Mafuba, Trunks learns "half blue" form and somehow is more effective than SSBlue Goku and Vegeta, SSBlue Vegito gets a time limit cut with fusion, Universe 6 Saiyans have tingly backs to power up for the tournament so they aren't rendered useless, Frost can immediately manipulate the mafuba, and Kale who is supposedly equal to Broly, can overpower SSBlue Goku even though Goku in a weaker super saiyan form, along with other super saiyans was able to defeat Broly. I can understand why certain things are done to move a story along, but it has been frustrating to see people take these things as applicable canon. There's nothing to judge things off of anymore, but to just say "well that happened"...... I like the idea of mental training, because powering up and powering up and powering up is going to eventually get ridiculous. The tournament of power has been wonderful and making strategy and puzzles applicable. But it's also been a horrible attempt at fan service, and that is twisting the show in a way that is unpleasant.
They referenced him in Super, they cant retcon him now even if that made sense for what Super is supposed to do And unless Super Dragon Balls are used to preserve Universe 6 there's no reason to assume that Caulifla will exist after the end of Universal Survival Arc.
SeboTrzyDe3D Plus, a lot of people fucking hate Caulifla. Not because "hur hur, she should be in the kitchen" but because she got 2 bullshit powerups. At least Cabba (sort of) earned Super Saiyan.
Uub watching this video: *stares at the thumbnail, then to his framed picture of him and a smiling Goku, then back at the thumbnail* *slams laptop close and storms off, feigning anger to mask his sadness* ~_~
Even before Super came out I never thought Goku wanted to Train Uub solely to train the next generation of protectors. Even back then it's pretty clear that Goku mainly wants to train Uub to make himself stronger after so many years of peace. If I recall correctly, Vegeta mentions to Goku that he must have some ulterior motive for wanting to fight Uub.
Ive been wanting Dragon Ball to change up and follow Uubs story ever since DBZ ended... Super made me lose some hope of this but now im feeling like there might still be some possibility
I think the person who Goku passes the torch to should be Pan. She's so adorable, powerful, and based on the women in her family, has a potential for some real fiery temper and over has the potential to be a character that actually grows, maturing over temper tantrums and her adandonment issues from Goku.
Okay, here are a few reasons why he chose to train uub. 1st, he's just like piccolo, a being reincarnated from the completely darkside of the strongest antagonist goku fought years ago. He would obviously want to see how he is and that he stays on the straight and narrow. 2nd, he didn't want to leave a kid as powerful as kid buu without any. Means of surpressing his power or keep it controlled. Any sane person would want to train him so that he doesn't accidentally destroy the world by having one bad day
The point of this video about Goku is that Goku is a Saiyan and Saiyan like to fight. Their were design as warriors and to destroy and become stronger and Yes, Goku is damn right selfish just like a Saiyan is in their blood
I going to anwer your question before I watch the video. Cuz I think he know for a fact that if he don't regulate and control ubb up bringing any thing can happen to lead him to becoming kid buu again.
I don't know if it's just the French translation, but in last chapter of the manga, Goku state clearly that Mr.Satan will provide Uub and his village with money and that he is training him for a rematch later on. I'm curious if the English version is different in that regard.
God man, you aced that Mental>Physical strength argument! This pattern is becoming more and more visible with each and every episode. I believe it is a good thing to do but also a necessity in the Super World. The writing wantts to 'get rid of' power scaling for a more conventional and spiritual approach towards the true meaning of strength. I am glad they are making it apparent even more with each and every arc and I can't wait for the 'ending' goal of this matter ^^
I can see in a future arc in DBS wherein the Makaioshin will gather the evil essence of Buu and add into Ubb causing Ubb to become a more powerful ancient evil avatar of Buu
Maybe because it's kinda like the Frieza's Potential thing. Kid Buu was reborn as Uub but now, because of Super It's safe to assume that Base Goku would Probably be able to hold his own against Kid Buu. So If Uub is indeed Kid Buu reborn as a good person who pocess the same power as before...then I guess he could become a pretty powerful Ally and Sparring Partner for Goku if he receive the proper Training.
Ryan Edwards nope, if that were the case he wouldn't choose to save people in danger. Plus if goku were with his family more, they would have probably been killed two or three times over by the cell arc
Goku went to train with Ryu(Uub) because he wanted to get more holy. The limits the body reach are because of its level or righteousness, as in if Goku can't be holy then not enough life in Goku to get stronger. More Holiness= more power
The reason why he is training Uub: he could train him to get stronger, so he could fight someone who is, well, strong. It was Dende's idea in Dragon Ball Super to have Goku train Uub. Of course Goku is not much of a teacher himself. Is that right?
It's really amazing that so many of us love this series so much when the main protagonist is literally a giant turd. Really speaks to Toriyama's genius. His crazy, slightly unhinged genius, lol.
I think Uub will be the next God of Destruction of U7. Something will happen to Beerus in some sort of war of the gods that'll get him killed. Whis would scout Uub because of his insanely high potential that'll likely surpass Goku.
That thing you said about them plateauing and the difference being in mental fortitude, it makes the whole ''letting his guard down'' make all the more sense.,
Honestly, I kind of thought this was the reason to some extent at least. I mean, when Goku was saying/praying that he hoped Kid Buu would be reincarnated as a good person someday. He finished by saying that he would like to fight that person one on one (I'm paraphrasing the lines, but they are essentially the same in English and Japanese). So, of course Goku wanted to fight Uub and when he finally got to and saw that Uub was young and unrefined, Goku decided to train him to become stronger so he could finally fight him again at a higher level. If anything, the fight between Goku and Uub at the start of GT is actually a good end to the story arc (if that fight was longer, more action packed, and maybe open ended). Also, not sure about the original Japanese version, but in the dub Goku told Uub not to worry about winning the prize money because he would just ask Mr. Satan to sponsor Uub's training meaning he would just give him money so that solves that problem.
you make is sound like you're surprised. the only time Goku has ever been depicted as being altruistic is when he was rewritten by funimation. Goku's life... and let's face it, afterlife goal will forever be that of climbing the power ladder as long as he knows there are rungs. Frankly if anything he should be given the title *supreme Kai of limit breaking* ... and honestly maybe that's the actual end right there. the fact that he just continues to climb forever beyond the mortal coil.
He cannot become Supreme Kai. That was the sole status only for Shinjin race. The only deity status that Goku can be are Kami and God of Destruction only (which he decline both of this offer)
I meant it as an honorary title honestly, I mean the fact that they've already said "hey maybe you can be the new God of Destruction" and he turned down the idea. So he's gotta end up being a god of "something" eventually at this rate.
For someone who's supposedly a Goku fan, that's a lot of bending over backwards to try and convince us he's purely selfish and trained Uub for purely selfish reasons. Eg. Wouldn't the more obvious answer to Goku peaking out be to extend his growth and power vicariously through others under his teaching ie. Uub? Especially since you were all on that whole physical limit only being suprassed mentally thing?
In the next ark the god of destructions should be the enemy. They want to destroy goku because he was the cause of the tournament of power. The ark ends in beerus either sacrifice himself or retire his titel. Whis stops functioning until there is a new god. Vegeta and Goku are the next one's in line but they decline. Goku comes up with Uub and starts to train him to become the next god.
oralom This is dragonball. At the end of every ark so far they undo all the losses with the dragonballs. The only ark who didn't was the zamusa ark. But than they still made an alternate timeline happy ending. It would be a first if there are real consequenties.
the uub arks starts after Goku takes uub to the hyporbolic chamber for 5 years telling uub that they will leave the chamber after uub defeats him.during the 5 years inside the chamber a disaster is unfolding out side of the chamber.a race of the most powerful demons have defeated the gods of destruction and also overwhelmed the angels sealing them away.mr popo & dende comfronts Goku & uub about the bad situation that had unfold. Goku challenges the top demon to fight in order to defeat him and save the entire Galaxy and free the angels.even though Goku is even stronger than super sayajin blue form now it's still not enough to defeat the top demon.thats when the uub story unfolds.
i like the idea that goku IS the god of destruction and wants to raise up a fighter strong enough to challenge him. his own version of the super saiyan god
I don't think the ending we saw in Z is going to happen now and the entry of Uubs character is going to be completely different and might have something to do with BUU. Also Goku is the bread winner at home now he has to run the farm Chi Chi is not going to let him take off for any periods of time, in fact the only time Goku actually skipped out on his family in the past was when he was dead.
Goku's been living with his family and friends for over 5 years. He spent 5 years with Pan and Goten, gave chi-chi all the love she needs. Some of these moments are seen in DBS in the "filler/peaceful" episodes. Like DBS episode 43... So after five years or so, Goku finally meets Uub. The person he's been wanting to battle ever since he defeated majin boo. Uub's existence is the result of Goku's request to Shenron to reincarnate Boo as a human being so Goku can have a strong acquaintance to train with. So when Goku met Uub at the tournament he had no choice but to take Uub as his disciple and train him. It was never implied that he left his family and friends for good. In fact, Goku probably visited them every week. I mean he does have the instant transmission technique. And even if he did leave for a long time to be with Uub, its for a good cause. Uub's power is a huge responsibility, and its Goku's duty to ensure Uub reaches his full potential and becomes one of the planets next greatest warrior. He spent 5 long years with his family and friends already, and his kids are all grown up too. So its not that big of a deal that he left for a little bit to train the reincarnation of majin boo. But once again, it was never implied anywhere that Goku completely abandoned his family for good.
Why would he being black have anything to do with it? Lol I just think he is bland, not interesting and boring, i'd rather Goku stayed with Pan and trained her, even though i hate her character too, you implying i dislike a certain character because of his or hers skin color is asinine, makes me think you are trying to act like the typical sjw to get likes, pathetic, really.
If you take into account the events of Super, GT Uub becomes more explainable. By the time of GT, the Z fighters aren’t just the strongest fighters in earth, they are one of the strongest forces in existence. Uub was going up against Baby who would scale as significantly stronger than Jiren. Of course he would get bodied, he’s just a kid!
if they are a majin they gain his power, if not it is normal candy. the ability to absorb the power of others in this way is unique to majin physiology its not the candy its how he process it.
One thing that I noticed when watching the show was with Vegeta. When he exited the time chamber the last time he wasn't sweating or showed any fatigue. It might to do with his energy control. I think he might have some new trick up his sleeve when it comes to his power.
My theory about Uub in DBS is that Weiss and the kais are gonna be scoping him out as a future God of Destruction candidate Uub is the reincarnation of Buu, destruction incarnate. Such boundless potential in the body of a young boy can be trained and molded for the day Beerus needs a successor Uub has the potential to be the strongest fighter since Gohan, wasting his character is criminal *stares at GT with disgust*
The door relocates within the pocket dimension every 2 years (2 days in Earth Time). It doesn't give off any energy, so you wouldn't be able to find it easily. The farther away you are from the door, the more extreme the conditions are. However, I will point out that this no longer seems to apply, since Vegeta (and others) have been able to force their way out, by making their own door. Which... Is actually pretty insane. They are literally punching holes within space and time.
Your reading of the ending of Z, taking all the lore of Super in account, is really cool, in my opinion. The melancholy of knowing pretty much all there is to know about the universe, it fits perfectly with Goku. The only slight problem I have is that you say he isn't being altruistic. We don't know that. It could be that he wants to train Uub for his own satisfaction, and at the same time because he realises that the Earth can't depend on Saiyans to keep them safe forever. Him training Uub how to fight him could be seen as him teaching Earth how to defend itself. Gone are the days when legendary Super Saiyans fought off evil Gods and Galactic Emperors, it's up to us humans now.
Leaving his family to train and fight other dudes is goku's fetish
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I honestly believe Goku gets hard while fighting. The second the tournament starts "Toppo fight me daddy!" Then he sees jiren gives him that "I want u so badly" face. Sees dyspo fighting his old squeeze and gets jealous and tells Hit "Save yourself for me later big boi"
I think Jalil sees that ähnlich!
Yes, he does.
Kypros Christofi yup
Actually, for years, we've seen Piccolo endlessly meditating, and traditionally, he is often depicted as the closest to keeping up with the Saiyans, so yeah.
If we're going a mental/spiritual route, then Goku may find his final great limit break in forging a better healthier attachment to his family and friends.
Rob Morris
mental training, the only gist of mental training he haa gotten was rendered to him by kami if i am not mistaken
Goku needs more of that for sure
That's actually a good point. By MasakoX's logic, in order for Goku to finally achieve his greatest potential, he really would need a better mental and spiritual training regimen.
The amount of mental training he does, he should be lapping Goku and Frieza
Problem is that Goku doesn't have that kind of patience.
Rob Morris so Vegeta will get the final power up and Goku won't?
In Goku's own words "I wanna fight really strong guys." He felt bad about killing someone as unique and powerful aa Buu. Thats what people dont get about the character sometimes. He likes seein peoples potential in battle but he despises killing...its a way for him to make ammends and like he said himself after he's done training Uub they will fight again and it will be a really great match. He gets that wide-eyed childlike look lol
Goku despise killing STRONG people. He's killed many times without a care in the world, like the red ribbon army, tambourine, etc. in fact, this whole universe of power death thing doesn't effect him that bad because weaker universes aren't as fun
Tristan Earhart Goku's distaste for killing only became a thing after being trained by Kami, so I always got the feeling that Kami basically taught him a kind of morality.
I dunno that he despises killing, per se, more that he figured out that others besides himself come back stronger if left alive. This was probably something he realized upon facing the much stronger, younger incarnation of Piccolo, whose existence is a result of defeating the original Piccolo. And indeed, Piccolo Jr. is the first person Goku spares for this reason. Oh, and he also dislikes it when people he likes die. But I don't think he's inherently morally against taking a life.
Frieza started out as being undefeatable without Super Saiyan and was able to surpass Super Saiyan God through training.
Same with Android 17.
So just imagine how strong Uub could get when his starting potential is SS3 tier. I think Goku realized that when he wanted to train Uub.
Goku's always been several steps ahead of Vegeta. If he wants a real rival, then his best bet is to train one himself.
DBZ Macky Several steps? Whis said there was only one and it was due to mind set during fighting.
kaioken buddy
Kaio what
+KEZ OM3GA Goku is literally capable of getting 20x stronger than Vegeta's full power. "several steps" is an understatement.
Goku has never beat vegeta
I love how Masako does his TFS Goku voice in this kinda stuff.
You know going with Goku might have been better for Uubs village then if he had just won the price money. I mean even if Goku does not really care he is someone with incredible connections. Ignoring the Kais and Dende (who might give a hand by making it possible for the village to have farms) he still knows some of the most influential humans on earth. His son married Hercules daughter and he has been friends with Bulma for years. He could ask them for help. Herc could get more for the village by doing some campaign and Bulma could make something that would help them with growing food.
Even if he does not care he would notice that this is on Uubs mind distracting him so it would be in Gokus best interest to help.
You have a typo goku knew Bulma for years (plural) , I would probably would've used decades instead but yeah goku could've easily helped the village even using the dragon balls
Not sure in the original Japanese version, but in the dub he tells Uub not to worry about winning the prize money from the tournament because he will get Mr. Satan to sponsor him meaning he will give Uub a ton of money.
maciekx10 exactly and it's not like his family can't find him
He is still on earth and 80% of Goku's friends/Family can Sense energy
Hell if we go by Neko Majin Z (yes I know it's a parody), Goku was still hanging out with his family, even after he began training Uub.
there's also how senzu beans originally kept people full for ten days. Since goku has those connections, that could be another really good benfit
Why did Goku train Uub?
Because he hoped the sequel would've made him into a better opponent than whatever happened with GT.
Ok, now let's actually watch the discussion video.
"Are you a girl or a boy?"
Did you just ASSUME I'm either a boy or a girl? I identify as an attack helicopter.
Apache Attack Helicopter? With both machine guns AND missiles?
With rotary blades, 30 mm cannons and AMG-114 Hellfire missiles on my body baby.
Darkos Overlord
GT is the true ending and coup de grace of the Dragonball series.
Goku did think about having a successor, so I don't think the reasoning is as extreme as him "only" caring about himself. That's ignoring Goku's selfless qualities. Goku does selfish things, but he does care for his family, friends and the Earth. He's, both, happy to have a potential new equal opponent and also thinking of the future, training a successor. Goku planned to initially pass the torch to Gohan, even deciding to stay dead to protect everyone, but that didn't work out. This is also why Chichi decided to try and train Goten, but neither Gohan nor Goten are interested in becoming Goku's successors.
It would be great if Super ended with an alternate ending where we do see Goku change as a character because of the events in the story and end up training Uub while still staying together with his family (training Pan, as well, together with Uub), though.
Great comment. I know this is from a year ago. But people want Goku to be this completely selfish guy when in all actuality he's very selfless. I mean he has moments of selfishness but I think he's a hero all things considered.
Goku is an addict, a power junkie. He can't help himself.
Like a true saiyan Am I right?
Come on, Vegs, just a battle.
Kakarot, you need to calm down.
I will calm down when I get to battle, godammit!
For someone that was raised as a human, he acts more like a Saiyan than Vegeta now.
You can only resist your instincts for so long. At some point, Goku had to do some soul-searching and he had to face facts that he didn't save Earth all those times to do good. It was the best way to fight strong guys. Dragon Ball Super depicts a Goku who made peace with that fact I think.
He trained him to fight him....
How sad
Sir Scumbag
But in Goku's mind, training Uub sounds like the greatest thing since toilet paper!
Toon Trooper Like Goku knows what toilet paper is...
Hey, if you want something done, you do it yourself. At the point of DBZ finishes, there's no one on Earth (maybe even not in the omniverse) that know more about fighting and martial arts than Goku, so, the best teacher to train the ultimate fighter.
f4slasher
He does. DAFUQ ?
It's like raising a cow to make a burger out of it.
I wonder if Cabba-Vegeta, Uub-Goku will train and have a time skip and then have Uub and Cabba battle it out then after their fight, the big one begins. Goku v Vegeta 3
James Ayers would love that!!!
1magier I have been hoping for something like this. Either way how satisfying would that be!
James Ayers cabba is way older than Uub
x3iiSTee so?
YESSSSSSS!!!!!
If Uub didn't show up Goten and Pan should have a chance to shine
Especially Goten...
I'm tired of him being Trunk's lackey
Goten should go his own way.
My idea is when he becomes a Teenager, he becomes a rebel. Kinda like Vegeta but without the killing.
Pan should be trained by Gohan if he keeps his training up.
Later in DBS, there'll be an arc where only the kids are a part of.
Pan, Bra, Uub, Goten, Trunks and Maron. They'll all be on a trip to some beach on a distant planet but Pan and Bra went off somewhere. Goten and Maron went looking for them and Trunks and Uub went looking for Goten because they wanted to spar. Now, they're in a forest on an unknown planet with powerful monsters nearby. And so starts the mini-arc of 5 episodes in DBS.
- Goten and Maron fall in love
- Pan and Bra show off their terrifying strength
- Trunks grows up like his dad
- Uub will beat the powerful monster
Would be a great arc for the characters and in DBS.
I would like the idea that Pan and Goten would be upset at Goku for running off with Uub and Vegeta knowing that he can't surpass Goku trains them as there master as a counter to Goku training Uub.
I think Goten wouldn't be upset about that because he is very much like Goku but he trains under Piccolo and Vegeta as a switch off.
Pan gets trained by Gohan would be much better IMO.
Vegeta should just keep training Trunks
Missing Lazuli, more like 18 I think, I could see that working well
Don't really have anything to discuss... sounds pretty accurate, although i still think they'll go past the end of Z or at least rewrite it
MysticFate i hope they do
Quentin Messerli Same here... it feels like too much has changed for them not to, if it's the last episode you would think they would sum things up with Whis and Beerus as well... and they didn't exist when the end of Z was created
The don't rewrite the End of Z. At least, it is not in plan yet. Actually, they stated they have a plan how to include the End of Z into current storyline of Super. And I feel MasakoX is on point here. He caught idea of Toriyama and Toyotaro right.
I'm pretty sure that's what's going to happen. Super will eventually go to the end of Z and probably beyond. Maybe Uub will be there, but maybe Goku won't leave his family.
TVR24 If the ratings are still amazing and it's still one of the top animes in Japan then i don't think they'll stop it at the end of Z
“Goku has thought processes” MY LIFE IS A LIE?
Nova
Are you an idiot ?
Goku isn't that dumb or stupid by any means.
Kuririn San
If it's not funny, then No I can't.
Kuririn San
Because I'm sick and tired of all the stupid and corny jokes ?
Kuririn San
Lol
That's funny.
Kuririn San
Oh look
An non-overused joke
That's actually *FUNNY-*
I 'm trying to figure when Goku got his fighting addiction. He didn't have it in the original series.
First he just wanted to see Shenlong and thought he would just get the four star ball back.
Second arc he trains under Roshi who made the ofter, but it didn't stand out from Krillen or Yamcha.
Third arc he goes looking for the four star ball and happens to encounter the red ribbon army on the way. And then destroying then so he could bring one of their victims back to life despite already having the four star ball and the army not really being a challenge. Then king Piccolo because he killed Krillen, Roshi and chiaotzu. And then trained under Kami after learning about Piccolo jr after going there to get Kami to revive the ones who died.
It seems to start in the saiyan arc where they made him an alien and they started making everything about him his saiyan origin. He has a tail? Alien. He can turned into a giant ape? Alien. He likes fighting? Alien and now he is randomly addicted to fighting.
He is a bad father and husband? ALIEN!
Yasuda1986
And I DETEST that fact!
In fact, I wish he was just a magical Demon guy who came from another dimension.
Yasuda1986 The turn Goku had to becoming addicted to fighting was against Vegeta when he met someone so strong it tested him to his limits he spared Vegeta cause of that so he could fight him again after that Goku kept getting excited about a higher challenge then after he became a super Saiyan he had used anger to fight and transform and by nature anger makes you more fight prone. Then in the Cell Saga Goku sees fighting as a means of getting stronger so he can fight the next strong one that comes along. So when he faced Vegeta a second time he was smirking more and loving it far different from the Goku he use to be in the Saiyan saga.
Frankly it might have been better if goku hadn't been made an alien. It doesn't really add anything and Toriyama keeps making everything about Goku's character be his alien origin.
He always had a fighting(/training) addiction, see him wanting to eagerly be trained by Roshi. It's just that in the original he was more muted as he can put it aside for other interests. His heritage really became a lazy crutch for Toriyama just so he can write the simplest character all while blaming it on him being an alien.
I wouldn't really call that an addiction to fighting. It didn't really seem more intense than Krillen, Yamcha or Tenshinhan. The rest stands, Goku really suffered from character de-evolution.
I thought it was pretty obvious why... He wanted to fight him again, fairly, without the universe at stake so he could do it alone without interference from the others. Same reason he wanted Krillin to spare Vegeta on earth.
I wouldn't be too sure. Goku is selfish, but he still understands what's important.
In the Frieza saga, he stayed behind to fight Frieza completely at his own risk. If anything, having everyone else go back to Earth set him at ease because there was no way any of them could get caught in the crossfire.
Throwing Cell a 仙豆 may have been the quintessential "Goku's an idiot" moment, but back then he really did beileve that Gohan would defeat Cell without any effort. (senzu already means "magic bean." You don't need to say "senzu bean")
The complications that arose were simply beyond his foresight.
He shows no signs of envy and instead is proud of his son's accomplishment and then sacrifices his own life to save the earth.
Goku was well and truly dead for the beginning of the Buu Saga and he knew that he wasn't going to be able to stick around for much long so he made the effort to impart what he knew to Goten and Trunks. He even expended what little time he had left on Earth to go SSJ3 so that Gotenks could do the same.
Goku had every opportunity to zip off to some unknown corner of the galaxy to train in peace but instead he is shown doing farmwork to sustain his family.
What need would Goku have to do this if fighting was really all that mattered to him?
Toriyama didn't really put that much thought behind the ending to Z. He needed something to give a sendoff. If he had put more care into it perhaps he would have had Goku set up a fighting school, appoint Uub as it's head after he had imparted all of his techniques, and then spent the rest of his days living quietly on his farm.
It isn't always about limits and getting stronger. Toriyama loves manga. He wouldn't have become a mangaka if he didn't. He could have kept going and going with Dragon Ball, making it better and better with a re-write here and a continuation there and a subplot over there -- but in the end he just wanted a change.
Even Goku can get bored of fighting all the time, especially when it doesn't look like there's anything else to learn. That's why he likes to go fishing or just relax by a river instead like he did right before the Cell games.
At this point, I think the people de-humanizing Goku more than anyone are the fans, not the writers.
What asspulls are we talking about here?
Was that all talk just now?
I asked you a question.
If you're having trouble coming up with an answer then it looks like you've yet to realize something.
"Manipulating a situation" *is* writing.
Asspulls are writing too.
Rules and limits are made to be broken.
The more effective you are at manipulating the situation, the more effectively you can influence the audience's emotions and expectations.
I actually prefer GT's ending. It showed that world was in good hands and that Goku wasn't needed anymore so he was now free to what he wanted.
It was one of the best endings to one of the worst anime.
Goku Black You do realise gt has a sequel.
Goku Black We all prefer GT's ending. It's the best part of the show and the consensus is that it is better than Z's.
Do what though? He always wants to fight strong fighters. He did leave the world in good hands but it seems kinda weird to say he just disappears because he could do whatever he wants when all he ever wanted to do was fight strong guys and eat food.
Skye Izumi yeah like one piece
This might be a dub only line but I'm pretty sure Goku said he will get Mr. Satan to pay for the villager's food.
Webbman76
Nope it's not.
Goku actually fufilled that word honestly
Didn't Goku want someone to take his place to protect Earth. But yeah, Goku should really spend time with his family.
That is what he claimed.
Think that was just in the Dub that portrayed Goku as a more Superhero like figure, rather than the pretty selfish, battle obsessed person he actually is, sure he's still technically "good" in a way though.
He said that in the original Japanese version too.
No, he did not. He is selfish in general. He does not care about saving Earth or Universe. He want to fight strong opponents for fun, get stronger. Yeah, sometimes he want to save his friends or avenge, like it was when Krillin was killed by Tambourine, or Gohan was kidnapped. But it is pretty personal. He is not hero and savior.
He is a hero, he just isn't a 'righteous hero'. The geek gods are called heroes, although they were be selfish assholes by our modern standards.
Actually, in the Toriyama-written Neko Majin Z manga, Uub is living with Goku, Chi Chi, and Pan at Goku's house, so at least we know Toriyama's thoughts on the ending
Unless Uub's potential is larger than Gohan's I don't even see the point.
Rokkar, he is. Gohan may can get stronger, but he have no fighting spirit, he is a bookworm.
Rei Ranmaru, one of the underlying ironies of that is the fact that Gohan could work fighting miracles with his scientific knowledge and analytical thinking, if he just put them to combat use... and it would give him an ever bigger strategic edge in comparison to others (not that his sluggy alien mentordad didn't already help there). He should be one of the most well-rounded fighters in the multiverse, really.
Then again, he does break down the science of ki manipulation and make it readily available to the normal populace of Earth several decades down the line, so there's that at the very least. :)
M&K I don't think that's the case I think his just a human with majin buus power and a lot of potential how much I don't really know.
Rokkar Uub's potential shits on Gohan's.
Rokkar uubs potential is equal to Gohan
Whis never said that Goku and Vegeta were reaching their limits. That was Vegeta back in the Champa Saga and he went against his statement later by saying, "Saiyans have no limits".
Goku spent his early life living in the mountains with Grandpa Gohan, whom he eventually killed after becoming a great ape, leaving him completely alone.
At the start of Dragon Ball, he's never even seen a car or a woman before.
It stands to reason that someone like him would have a very unusual outlook on family and human interactions in general long into adult life.
Here's a real what if scenario for you: What if Goku married Bulma instead of Chichi.
Now *that's* how you shake up a timeline!
(I don't know if you've done that one. It's just the first thing that came to mind.)
It's no wonder that Toriyama had such a hard time drawing Chichi because her character just seemed to revolve around being a girl who's infatuated with Goku. She's whiny, nagging, clingy and complains all the time.
Really she just comes off as all of the things Toriyama found annoying about girls all rolled into one character.
Bulma is always a joy to see though because there are aspects to her character that Toriyama can instantly identify with: she's a scientist and has a love of technology.
On top of that it lets her actually do shit and contribute to the plot.
She complains as well, but the nature of her complains are usually less petty and more relatable. She doesn't care who it is either, if they've upset her they're going to hear about it. Not even Beerus is scary enough to deter her.
Episode 1 of GT finally makes sense when Goku says "I got just as much out of it as you did, Uub". I like this idea.
Cannon GT
Not going to lie here. It kind of feels like this explanation is only a thing because people were criticizing Goku's character in Super. As if the Uub moment was one of the only things getting in the way of the "Goku's always been selfish" counterargument.
Hell, the last sentence almost comes off as "Just let go of the idea that Goku should be more selfless at this point already." Maybe I'd feel differently if the other side of the argument had some acknowledgement other than "It's wrong" because, as you said yourself, the ending was left ambiguous. But whatever.
Sadly, from what I've seen people were praising Goku's character in Super because this what Toriyama originally wanted Goku to act like, not what the anime adaption did prior to Kai and Super. As a matter of fact when that reason came up, people were quick to pin the blame on Funimations early dub of DBZ, when from what I recall, Toriyama found fault in both the Funimation dub and the original Japanese version because they treated Goku more like a hero, with Funimation making Goku slightly Superman-ish with that speech he gave to Freeza on Namek
Goku's character developing? What do you think this is, a good shonen anime?
MOOFAMDEEZ the Holy Cow
He's better then that.
I blame Master Roshi. In the original Dragon Ball after Goku's first world tournament, Roshi tells Goku he should not be focused on winning but to train and that there are always a more powerful people out there, which drove Goku to training throughout his life. Couple on to the fact that every time there starts to be a moment of peace, a new opponent arrives to give Goku a reason to train more. Roshi never taught Goku moderation and I think his Saiyan blood drives Goku to becoming stronger.
Dragon Ball U confirmed.
If the only way forward is to get better at mental training how much can Goku really gain from mental training
If Piccolo can keep up with the Sayains from just meditating, that should say a lot about how far Goku can go, if he started to focus on just mental training. There's also a chance that he'll keep discovering new transformations. Similar to how Gohan has realized that going down the "mystic" path, he can bypass the aggressiveness of the Super Sayain forms, but still be just as strong.
oralom Well I just don't know that Goku's ever made significant gains From it but I'm sure he could if Toriyama decided to change the focus of the training regimens to mental.I would love it if Piccolo got the win over Jiren because he meditates almost as much as Jiren does but I don't see that happening
Because Uub's village held the secrets to the true Muffin Button
Hope that ubb becomes a main character considering he is the character that Goku ‘passed’ the torch to
What about Piccolo?
That guy was meditating ever since.
RipperRoo92 that's the only way he's relevant
RipperRoo92 he's not meditating hard enough
You guys are cold ❄
Here after reading DBS chapter 66, the way this has been set up fits perfectly with the end of Z.
I really love ubb I really hope they keep him in the story his great
Thank you for being one of the *very few* good Dragon Ball RUclipsrs, Masako! I really appreciate you and your content!!
I'm still hoping for some bulla uub pan goten and trunks adventures one day.
Punished Captain Frog yeah me too
Reread the last chapter of dragon Ball, goku said he going off train uub but he was going to come back to see everyone as often as possible also he told uub that he would convince Mr Satan to give him and family the money they needed.
The fucked part is. Pan should have an immense potential. She should have more potential than Uub lol. His character while cool to have was not needed. because pan was already there.
I'm sorry but I call BS. This has no effect on the end of Z because Dragon Ball Super wasn't even thought of when the original ending was written, so in other words, characters like Whis and Jiren didn't even exist. They were only later retconned into existence
@MasakoX I think the only problem with the thought process you give to this video is that this is America's Hero Goku. Fighting for his friends, family, and loves ones against Frieza, self sacrifice against Cell, and when the universe's most feared being was reincarnated, he took the Supreme Kai's job of thinking about the future of the universe. Now at this time we only knew of Buu, not Beerus. And even Beerus is linked with Buu as being the two beings never to mess with as told to Frieza. He looked after Uub to train him to use his powers for good. Sure Goku would get a good fight and learn from Uub, but his selfish ways that are maid apparent from Dragon Ball, and Dragon Ball Super aren't as apparent with the Buu arc.
In regard to other ideas pitched in this video, SSBlue Goku and Golden Frieza clearly went toe to toe evenly, if not a slight advantage to Frieza, in the movie replay arcs. The only difference was that Frieza couldn't sustain the form. Frieza sustaining "mental training", would still not give the body endurance to handle a form that drains stamina.
I'm also going to note that Dragon Ball Super is full of other convenient plot devices and cop outs. Trunks learns Mafuba, Trunks learns "half blue" form and somehow is more effective than SSBlue Goku and Vegeta, SSBlue Vegito gets a time limit cut with fusion, Universe 6 Saiyans have tingly backs to power up for the tournament so they aren't rendered useless, Frost can immediately manipulate the mafuba, and Kale who is supposedly equal to Broly, can overpower SSBlue Goku even though Goku in a weaker super saiyan form, along with other super saiyans was able to defeat Broly.
I can understand why certain things are done to move a story along, but it has been frustrating to see people take these things as applicable canon. There's nothing to judge things off of anymore, but to just say "well that happened"...... I like the idea of mental training, because powering up and powering up and powering up is going to eventually get ridiculous. The tournament of power has been wonderful and making strategy and puzzles applicable. But it's also been a horrible attempt at fan service, and that is twisting the show in a way that is unpleasant.
I feel so sorry for his kids. That's why Gohon looks up so much to Piccolo.
Implying Uub won't get retconned out of canon and Caulifla becomes Goku's student instead.
They referenced him in Super, they cant retcon him now even if that made sense for what Super is supposed to do
And unless Super Dragon Balls are used to preserve Universe 6 there's no reason to assume that Caulifla will exist after the end of Universal Survival Arc.
SeboTrzyDe3D Plus, a lot of people fucking hate Caulifla. Not because "hur hur, she should be in the kitchen" but because she got 2 bullshit powerups. At least Cabba (sort of) earned Super Saiyan.
Farmer With Shotgun bs. There's more love to caulifla than hate. Make Uub take dendes place as guardian and fuse universe 6 and 7.
Don't forget that Goku said Mr. Satan would cover Ubb's village. Mr. Satan is Rich enough to feed everyone.
Uub watching this video: *stares at the thumbnail, then to his framed picture of him and a smiling Goku, then back at the thumbnail* *slams laptop close and storms off, feigning anger to mask his sadness* ~_~
Even before Super came out I never thought Goku wanted to Train Uub solely to train the next generation of protectors. Even back then it's pretty clear that Goku mainly wants to train Uub to make himself stronger after so many years of peace. If I recall correctly, Vegeta mentions to Goku that he must have some ulterior motive for wanting to fight Uub.
because he said he wanted to when he was killing kid buu.
Ive been wanting Dragon Ball to change up and follow Uubs story ever since DBZ ended... Super made me lose some hope of this but now im feeling like there might still be some possibility
I think the person who Goku passes the torch to should be Pan. She's so adorable, powerful, and based on the women in her family, has a potential for some real fiery temper and over has the potential to be a character that actually grows, maturing over temper tantrums and her adandonment issues from Goku.
CookieMastah yeah I agree it should be pan because she is goku granddaughter after all .
Okay, here are a few reasons why he chose to train uub.
1st, he's just like piccolo, a being reincarnated from the completely darkside of the strongest antagonist goku fought years ago. He would obviously want to see how he is and that he stays on the straight and narrow.
2nd, he didn't want to leave a kid as powerful as kid buu without any. Means of surpressing his power or keep it controlled. Any sane person would want to train him so that he doesn't accidentally destroy the world by having one bad day
The point of this video about Goku is that Goku is a Saiyan and Saiyan like to fight. Their were design as warriors and to destroy and become stronger and Yes, Goku is damn right selfish just like a Saiyan is in their blood
ThePandaPhotographer If you think about it, Goku and Bardock have a lot more in common than you think. Bardock was just more blunt
Because Uub is allowed to protect the earth without having to listen to Chi Chi bitching constantly about homework.
So why was ubb forgotten during xenoverse and dragon ball online
angel7661 shit I dint even notice.
"Ok Uub, let me tell you about this guy called Jiren that I want you to match..."
When you realize uub ruined gokus whole relationship with his family and friends
Not really
Why didn’t they ask Uub to join the team in either of the tournaments?
I still believe the end of Super will rewrite the ending of Z
Honestly would not be unhappy for a retcon of this episode.
I going to anwer your question before I watch the video. Cuz I think he know for a fact that if he don't regulate and control ubb up bringing any thing can happen to lead him to becoming kid buu again.
what?
mackvinly ssg completely unsupported fanwank?
I don't know if it's just the French translation, but in last chapter of the manga, Goku state clearly that Mr.Satan will provide Uub and his village with money and that he is training him for a rematch later on. I'm curious if the English version is different in that regard.
I think GT should be rewritten after supers end
Yeah.
God man, you aced that Mental>Physical strength argument! This pattern is becoming more and more visible with each and every episode. I believe it is a good thing to do but also a necessity in the Super World. The writing wantts to 'get rid of' power scaling for a more conventional and spiritual approach towards the true meaning of strength. I am glad they are making it apparent even more with each and every arc and I can't wait for the 'ending' goal of this matter ^^
Goku asked Mr Satan to help Uubs village
Diogo Mendes Racist
lol wut
I can see in a future arc in DBS wherein the Makaioshin will gather the evil essence of Buu and add into Ubb causing Ubb to become a more powerful ancient evil avatar of Buu
Goku does everything to get rid of his family and friends.
Maybe because it's kinda like the Frieza's Potential thing.
Kid Buu was reborn as Uub but now, because of Super It's safe to assume that Base Goku would Probably be able to hold his own against Kid Buu.
So If Uub is indeed Kid Buu reborn as a good person who pocess the same power as before...then I guess he could become a pretty powerful Ally and Sparring Partner for Goku if he receive the proper Training.
Goku may be a insanely good fighter but he is a horrible father
From a human perspective, sure. But Goku is Saiyan by nature, so there is that.
A jar of pickles He's a horrible person overall actually.
Ryan Edwards nope, if that were the case he wouldn't choose to save people in danger. Plus if goku were with his family more, they would have probably been killed two or three times over by the cell arc
More importantly, he was raised in the woods by a hermit and tried to raise Gohan the same way.
A jar of pickles
no he is not.
Goku went to train with Ryu(Uub) because he wanted to get more holy. The limits the body reach are because of its level or righteousness, as in if Goku can't be holy then not enough life in Goku to get stronger. More Holiness= more power
Obviously Goku is farmer Goku growing some crops for uubs village... Right?... 🤗🤔
The reason why he is training Uub: he could train him to get stronger, so he could fight someone who is, well, strong. It was Dende's idea in Dragon Ball Super to have Goku train Uub. Of course Goku is not much of a teacher himself. Is that right?
Because he's BORED
To be fair, Goku did get Hercule to sponsor Uub, so at they'll have the money to feed Goku
It's really amazing that so many of us love this series so much when the main protagonist is literally a giant turd. Really speaks to Toriyama's genius. His crazy, slightly unhinged genius, lol.
I think Uub will be the next God of Destruction of U7. Something will happen to Beerus in some sort of war of the gods that'll get him killed. Whis would scout Uub because of his insanely high potential that'll likely surpass Goku.
Meh ssj5 is better than ssj7 cuz one thing, pressure on the body
That thing you said about them plateauing and the difference being in mental fortitude, it makes the whole ''letting his guard down'' make all the more sense.,
He's always acting demickey
King of The RUclipss Virginia hanging out with little boys in spandex I see
A true saiyan always sprinkles when he tinkles
King of The RUclipss super pooper scoopers are just legend
It's true, he is super sand lesbian, aghh
You're one to talk, Virginia
Honestly, I kind of thought this was the reason to some extent at least. I mean, when Goku was saying/praying that he hoped Kid Buu would be reincarnated as a good person someday. He finished by saying that he would like to fight that person one on one (I'm paraphrasing the lines, but they are essentially the same in English and Japanese). So, of course Goku wanted to fight Uub and when he finally got to and saw that Uub was young and unrefined, Goku decided to train him to become stronger so he could finally fight him again at a higher level. If anything, the fight between Goku and Uub at the start of GT is actually a good end to the story arc (if that fight was longer, more action packed, and maybe open ended).
Also, not sure about the original Japanese version, but in the dub Goku told Uub not to worry about winning the prize money because he would just ask Mr. Satan to sponsor Uub's training meaning he would just give him money so that solves that problem.
you make is sound like you're surprised. the only time Goku has ever been depicted as being altruistic is when he was rewritten by funimation. Goku's life... and let's face it, afterlife goal will forever be that of climbing the power ladder as long as he knows there are rungs. Frankly if anything he should be given the title *supreme Kai of limit breaking* ... and honestly maybe that's the actual end right there. the fact that he just continues to climb forever beyond the mortal coil.
He cannot become Supreme Kai. That was the sole status only for Shinjin race. The only deity status that Goku can be are Kami and God of Destruction only (which he decline both of this offer)
I meant it as an honorary title honestly, I mean the fact that they've already said "hey maybe you can be the new God of Destruction" and he turned down the idea. So he's gotta end up being a god of "something" eventually at this rate.
Lol, I love that title
What about the Cell Games?
For someone who's supposedly a Goku fan, that's a lot of bending over backwards to try and convince us he's purely selfish and trained Uub for purely selfish reasons.
Eg. Wouldn't the more obvious answer to Goku peaking out be to extend his growth and power vicariously through others under his teaching ie. Uub? Especially since you were all on that whole physical limit only being suprassed mentally thing?
What's a hell? I only know HFIL
I can tell you what it isn't, a home for infinite losers
I thought Hercule was gonna supply Uub's village with food?
In the next ark the god of destructions should be the enemy. They want to destroy goku because he was the cause of the tournament of power. The ark ends in beerus either sacrifice himself or retire his titel. Whis stops functioning until there is a new god. Vegeta and Goku are the next one's in line but they decline. Goku comes up with Uub and starts to train him to become the next god.
The gods are getting errased with their universes. The only ones that remain are the angels.
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This is dragonball. At the end of every ark so far they undo all the losses with the dragonballs. The only ark who didn't was the zamusa ark. But than they still made an alternate timeline happy ending. It would be a first if there are real consequenties.
the uub arks starts after Goku takes uub to the hyporbolic chamber for 5 years telling uub
that they will leave the chamber after uub defeats him.during the 5 years inside the chamber a disaster is unfolding out side of the chamber.a race of the most powerful demons have defeated
the gods of destruction and also
overwhelmed the angels sealing them away.mr popo & dende comfronts Goku & uub about the bad situation that had unfold.
Goku challenges the top demon
to fight in order to defeat him and save the entire Galaxy and free the angels.even though Goku is even stronger than super sayajin blue form now it's still not enough to
defeat the top demon.thats when
the uub story unfolds.
What if Goku became an angel like Whis and he's training uub to be the next God of destruction.
i like the idea that goku IS the god of destruction and wants to raise up a fighter strong enough to challenge him. his own version of the super saiyan god
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I wonder if Goku is actually Training Uub to be the next God of Destruction? Maybe Goku spends the Five-year gap looking for a replacement for Beers.
I don't think the ending we saw in Z is going to happen now and the entry of Uubs character is going to be completely different and might have something to do with BUU. Also Goku is the bread winner at home now he has to run the farm Chi Chi is not going to let him take off for any periods of time, in fact the only time Goku actually skipped out on his family in the past was when he was dead.
Despite his looks, Goten is 14 years old. He can run the farm.
Chi Chi wants Goten studding now.
Goku's been living with his family and friends for over 5 years. He spent 5 years with Pan and Goten, gave chi-chi all the love she needs. Some of these moments are seen in DBS in the "filler/peaceful" episodes. Like DBS episode 43...
So after five years or so, Goku finally meets Uub. The person he's been wanting to battle ever since he defeated majin boo. Uub's existence is the result of Goku's request to Shenron to reincarnate Boo as a human being so Goku can have a strong acquaintance to train with. So when Goku met Uub at the tournament he had no choice but to take Uub as his disciple and train him.
It was never implied that he left his family and friends for good. In fact, Goku probably visited them every week. I mean he does have the instant transmission technique. And even if he did leave for a long time to be with Uub, its for a good cause. Uub's power is a huge responsibility, and its Goku's duty to ensure Uub reaches his full potential and becomes one of the planets next greatest warrior.
He spent 5 long years with his family and friends already, and his kids are all grown up too. So its not that big of a deal that he left for a little bit to train the reincarnation of majin boo. But once again, it was never implied anywhere that Goku completely abandoned his family for good.
Am i the only one who really dislikes the Uub character?
Is it because he's black?
I think he's more Indian ot Polynesian myself.
Why would he being black have anything to do with it? Lol
I just think he is bland, not interesting and boring, i'd rather Goku stayed with Pan and trained her, even though i hate her character too, you implying i dislike a certain character because of his or hers skin color is asinine, makes me think you are trying to act like the typical sjw to get likes, pathetic, really.
>Sees a joke comment.
>Gets butthurt.
>Projects about being pathetic and an SJW.
oralom "joke comment"
Green texting on RUclips, Jesus...
If you take into account the events of Super, GT Uub becomes more explainable. By the time of GT, the Z fighters aren’t just the strongest fighters in earth, they are one of the strongest forces in existence. Uub was going up against Baby who would scale as significantly stronger than Jiren. Of course he would get bodied, he’s just a kid!
Do a what if someone else eat buu candy not evil buu
if they are a majin they gain his power,
if not it is normal candy.
the ability to absorb the power of others in this way is unique to majin physiology
its not the candy its how he process it.
freakyskull516 I like to think the candy gives anyone power
freakyskull516 I like to think the candy gives anyone power
One thing that I noticed when watching the show was with Vegeta. When he exited the time chamber the last time he wasn't sweating or showed any fatigue. It might to do with his energy control. I think he might have some new trick up his sleeve when it comes to his power.
Because majin boo bushed him to his limit and he couldn't beat him 1 im 1
samuel Perez you definitly right its simple as that
My theory about Uub in DBS is that Weiss and the kais are gonna be scoping him out as a future God of Destruction candidate
Uub is the reincarnation of Buu, destruction incarnate. Such boundless potential in the body of a young boy can be trained and molded for the day Beerus needs a successor
Uub has the potential to be the strongest fighter since Gohan, wasting his character is criminal
*stares at GT with disgust*
@MasakoX how long is a year in the time chamber
Al Johnson 365 years
Could be, wonder if you could survive that long and what if goku went inside that long
Al Johnson he would die from age. Remember he’s still a mortal
Not ¨Could be¨, it´s simple math.
The door relocates within the pocket dimension every 2 years (2 days in Earth Time). It doesn't give off any energy, so you wouldn't be able to find it easily. The farther away you are from the door, the more extreme the conditions are. However, I will point out that this no longer seems to apply, since Vegeta (and others) have been able to force their way out, by making their own door. Which... Is actually pretty insane. They are literally punching holes within space and time.
Your reading of the ending of Z, taking all the lore of Super in account, is really cool, in my opinion. The melancholy of knowing pretty much all there is to know about the universe, it fits perfectly with Goku. The only slight problem I have is that you say he isn't being altruistic. We don't know that. It could be that he wants to train Uub for his own satisfaction, and at the same time because he realises that the Earth can't depend on Saiyans to keep them safe forever. Him training Uub how to fight him could be seen as him teaching Earth how to defend itself. Gone are the days when legendary Super Saiyans fought off evil Gods and Galactic Emperors, it's up to us humans now.
Simple He saw those 2 disappointment (Gohan and Goten) and decided to adopt Uub and train him
Dude he said Satan would fund it remember
... bye son 😂
Which one?
This video’s amazing, Masako!