So wordpress still has over 60% market share? I don't think going down half a percentage point is much of a signal. Does Webflow even have 1% market share? No, and Webflow is already 10 years old and has still barely caught on. Pushing your clients to be locked in to a proprietary service where they are forced to host on Webflow's private servers (unlike Wordpress, which is easily hostable on many, many web hosting company servers) means that if Webflow decided to jack the price for hosting, your clients have to eat it (or pay somebody to rebuild their website with a different platform like Wix Studio, Framer, Squarespace, or possibly Wordpress). Most of the demand for Webflow is driven by Webflow "developers", not clients, which is why it has never really caught on (even though many designers find it much easier to use than custom coding something with wordpress). And now with Wix Studio and Framer, there are 3 companies all gunning for the same tiny sliver of the total market (which is websites built using a SAAS builder because the designer pushed their clients into it, not because the client really "choose" it). There's not enough market demand for three companies offering such a similar product. Hopefully for your sake Webflow has enough momentum to stomp out Wix Studio, because regular Wix is already a much more widely used product than Webflow and a much more widely known brand among non-designers than Webflow.
Hey Jakob! Thank you for taking the time to write such a thorough comment. I really appreciate your take on this. I hear where you are coming from, but our previous experience with working with the top 10% of clients that are often big enterprises that are looking for a stable, scalable solution for their website, lets me believe that Webflow will be a go-to solution for high traffic websites in the future. As w3techs.com reported (w3techs.com/technologies/details/cm-webflow) even though fewer websites are built on Webflow at the moment, it's used more often for high-traffic websites than any other no-code builder including WordPress. Again, all of this is coming from my and the agency's experience over the years, but I am always more than happy to explore other opinions that people in de industry have!
@@Sylo. Also, the 38% is in reference to all websites, including ones that are custom coded. Wordpress has 63% marketshare among CMS platforms, which is the marketshare that matters in this thread anyways. So I actually was right. If we are going to use your number for Wordpress's marketshare, then Webflow's marketshare is even tinier as well (it goes from like 0.9% to 0.6%).
@@lifipp Sure, but then you're left with a static website without a CMS. Most people looking to buy a website are looking for a CMS website where they can easily add new content. And Wordpress is a much better CMS platform than Webflow anyways.
Makes sense, but why would a company need to build or maintain 10 different websites? I understand that there may be chances where this applies, but in our almost 10 years experience and more than 150 projects under our belt, we didn't come across something like this. But thanks for sharing your view on this!
@@UrosMikicFlowNinja I just mean for you your personal projects as an entrepreneur. Maybe you have a blog on one website, and 2 e-commerce store websites, and another landing page style e-commerce website. This could add up on web flow
@@UrosMikicFlowNinja I work with a legacy Webflow project, and I’ve found it to be quite limited compared to WordPress. Despite the company paying over $10k/year, Webflow has major constraints: no parallel development, limited SEO options, and no custom meta tags. The Webflow CMS doesn't allow basic styling like changing font size or color for rich text. Plus, there’s no flexibility for CSP header debugging or URL structure customization, and hosting verification files for 3rd party scripts is impossible without a reverse proxy. Webflow works fine for small, simple sites, but for anything more complex or customized, it falls short. It’s an impressive platform in some ways, but definitely overpriced and too restrictive compared to WordPress. I can provide really big least where missed basic features. Also, on big complicated pages, webflow has mircofreezes during designing. Super uncomfortable platform and still requires developer skills.
Thank you for the feedback. I agree, we are focused more on Webflow, as we strongly believe from our perspective it is a better tool, so completely understand your feedback. I would love to hear which areas you feel we should be more oriented to WordPress so I can make more videos on this topic in the future?
I started with Webflow migrated to WordPress, I considered going back but knowing how to code custom themes, I am not sure what are the benefits going back to webflow?
I'm new with web development. Can you explains why not just code the website using HTML, CSS, TypeScript/JavaScript and host on AWS or other big server hosting company.. Why use Webflow, wordpress, wix, shopify etc ... ?
To simplify it as much as possible: - It's faster to build and easier to maintain - Managing content is super easy and can be done by anyone from the team without any technical knowledge - Not just content, but whole pages can be build by marketing if you setup everything good These are just some of the points, but we have seen and worked with many big brands who had custom coded website and decided to switch to Webflow, so thats a clue in itself if you ask me.
I love wordpress and woocomerce and freedom. I also use Webflow and it's awesome, anology with Apple and Android have both. I think compared to mastering coding it's easier to master both Webflow and Wordpress!
This is like an ad for Webflow. I get it, you make stuff for Webflow and would greatly benefit from saying it is better. You keep talking about "out of the box", but the problem with that is, Wordpress was never built that way and is only now heading in that direction. It is a modular platform that is far more customisable than Webflow is and probably ever will be.
Hello 👋 I understand your concerns, this opinion is coming from our clients who have migrated from Wordpress. I know that Wordpress can also be a great platform if used well, so understand your concerns.
Thanks for the video. Ive been using Wordpress for years (and designed/coded them before that). Webflow does address the things I dont like about WP...the constant updates and plugins. Its rare but I have had minor plugin updates crash sites. Not to mention themes. My concern with these types of things is locking into something proprietary that may change at some point (price hikes, going out of business, major changes to how things work that could affect how the site works). I think for some of my clients it could work but I dont know that it will replace WP entirely.
Hey Jack! Thanks for sharing your thoughts and I'm glad the video is helpful for you. I understand where you are coming from, but to be honest, the same changes may occur to any other software such as WordPress, Wix or any other alternative. In my mind, the number one thing when choosing the platform is picking the one that can provide stable and scalable solutions for our clients and I think Webflow is the best at this point.
While this is a good video, this is not a balanced review of the two platforms - the bias is obvious...and you should have issued a disclaimer to that effect. Speak to the core strength of each and why you would need them, and not casting impressions on WP to the advantage of WF. WP offers flexibility for high customisation covering costs, choice of web hosts, customisation and more; it is like a tool box that you can build anything and anywhere. While you may be able to build many things with WF, you can't build everywhere - only with WF. I don't think you were very clear on the audience of both platforms - both are fit for purpose, and that is what I expected from this video, not a WF sell. For many small businesses, that monthly WF cost is way more a burden that the hassles of dealing with WP maintenance 'headaches'. Again, with a disclaimer, there would have been nothing wrong with the video.
Thank you for putting the time to watch the video and leave a feedback. Really appreciate it! Not actually! We are Webflow partners, but we are not paid by Webflow to say these things. All of these items were feedback from our clients coming from WordPress to Webflow actually. Both are great platforms anyway.
I understand were you are coming from, and while it is true is harder to build an efficient website in wordpress, it is just because of the sheer amount of possibilities that the ecosystem gives you, which unfortunately the vast majority is not good enough. Said that, once you understand the what, how, where and when of wordpress, it is a way more flexible and scalable solution than webflow. Even the part of the "maintenance" and "updates" that you talked about, I haven't had any problem with my sites for over 2 years with my stack. Not a single site braking or going down. And that's because I know what I am doing and I chosed the right plugins (but yes, it can be daunting and hard to arrive to this point).
Hey Tiago, thank you for the comment! I 100% agree that WordPress can still be a good option if you, as you put it, know what you are doing on your end. That's the main reason why WordPress still has more than 60% of the market share and is still a good option for many brands today. Personally, I found that Webflow is a better solution when it comes to scaling agencies and working with 30+ new projects on a month to month basis, just because I don't even think about the fact that something can break. As Dawid said in the video, it helps me sleep better at night :)
I see your point, but I wouldn't really agree on that to be honest. In my mind there is a difference between "as cheap as possible" and "cost-effective". If you create a good website that is going to bring your business more revenue instead of opting for a cheaper option that isn't going to provide the same experience and perform poorly, that can be seen a cost-effective, right?
Sorry but this is not true. Webflow is built for designers, not laypeople. For people who take the time to learn it, it is extremely efficient and cost effective.
I get the feeling this video was created on wordpress from 10 years ago, or one did not look at the current wordpress market today. Basic best practice with wordpress today: Less is more, and always make use of child-themes. That being said: I think this analyses is incorrect, and probably based on a experience like 10 years ago 😅
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! It's always interesting to hear different perspectives on WordPress practices. Even though I do believe that WordPress has evolved a lot in the past years, we are getting daily inquiries from a lot of different clients who are having the same issues that I and many others encountered years ago, and that is making brands look for a different option such as Webflow. Nevertheless, I truly appreciate your comment and maybe one of my future channel videos will be me trying WordPress in 2024.
Hello! Thank you for your feedback. I agree that there is a lot to learn from WordPress, as well as from other platforms, and each platform offers something unique. Have you had the chance to explore Webflow? If so, I would love to hear about your experience.
If you are looking for a cheapest solution to build your personal website, than sure, I agree. But if you are company looking for a scalable solution that will help you earn more money using your website, than something being FREE is not the only factor to take into consideration. I actually spoke with one of our clients on this topic that moved from WordPress to Webflow, feel free to checkout the FREE webinar on this link - www.flow.ninja/webflow-resources/re-coded-webinar Cheers!
Yoast is terrible. Rank maths is far better. As well Webflows SEO is god awful. Like FourthWall a company that raised 14 million dollars. Doesn't even rank for fourthwall. Literally its name.
Hey! I'm sorry to hear you have an experience like that. Completely understand that if you didn't have a good experience with Webflow SEO you might not like it! As we work with companies which have 1M views and more, and our core business is ran off SEO, we've had incredible experience with Webflow SEO. By searching fourthwall on Google, fourthwall is the first thing that comes up for me! I would love to offer some help to clarify this situation :)
@@UrosMikicFlowNinja Out of the UK, Specifically the channel islands. Its what sent me down this rabbit hole of wordpress v webflow. I have no plans on changing platform but i was curious what fourthwall was and saw it was built on webflow. Googled it and it didnt show up for a branded search. Thought it may have been deindexed or something in the new update
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Truly good content!!!
Thank you!
So wordpress still has over 60% market share? I don't think going down half a percentage point is much of a signal.
Does Webflow even have 1% market share? No, and Webflow is already 10 years old and has still barely caught on.
Pushing your clients to be locked in to a proprietary service where they are forced to host on Webflow's private servers (unlike Wordpress, which is easily hostable on many, many web hosting company servers) means that if Webflow decided to jack the price for hosting, your clients have to eat it (or pay somebody to rebuild their website with a different platform like Wix Studio, Framer, Squarespace, or possibly Wordpress).
Most of the demand for Webflow is driven by Webflow "developers", not clients, which is why it has never really caught on (even though many designers find it much easier to use than custom coding something with wordpress). And now with Wix Studio and Framer, there are 3 companies all gunning for the same tiny sliver of the total market (which is websites built using a SAAS builder because the designer pushed their clients into it, not because the client really "choose" it).
There's not enough market demand for three companies offering such a similar product. Hopefully for your sake Webflow has enough momentum to stomp out Wix Studio, because regular Wix is already a much more widely used product than Webflow and a much more widely known brand among non-designers than Webflow.
Hey Jakob! Thank you for taking the time to write such a thorough comment. I really appreciate your take on this.
I hear where you are coming from, but our previous experience with working with the top 10% of clients that are often big enterprises that are looking for a stable, scalable solution for their website, lets me believe that Webflow will be a go-to solution for high traffic websites in the future.
As w3techs.com reported (w3techs.com/technologies/details/cm-webflow) even though fewer websites are built on Webflow at the moment, it's used more often for high-traffic websites than any other no-code builder including WordPress.
Again, all of this is coming from my and the agency's experience over the years, but I am always more than happy to explore other opinions that people in de industry have!
@@Sylo. Okay, but still a lot more than 1%, right?
@@Sylo. Also, the 38% is in reference to all websites, including ones that are custom coded. Wordpress has 63% marketshare among CMS platforms, which is the marketshare that matters in this thread anyways. So I actually was right. If we are going to use your number for Wordpress's marketshare, then Webflow's marketshare is even tinier as well (it goes from like 0.9% to 0.6%).
Webflow allows you to export code in few clicks, which you can then use to host your website wherever you want :)
@@lifipp Sure, but then you're left with a static website without a CMS. Most people looking to buy a website are looking for a CMS website where they can easily add new content. And Wordpress is a much better CMS platform than Webflow anyways.
Wordpress + Bricks builder beats Webflow all time. (In my opinion😅)
Except the problem is when you want to build 10 websites on webflow you will spend $5000-$10,000 per year. Wordpress - pay just your hosting
Makes sense, but why would a company need to build or maintain 10 different websites? I understand that there may be chances where this applies, but in our almost 10 years experience and more than 150 projects under our belt, we didn't come across something like this. But thanks for sharing your view on this!
@@UrosMikicFlowNinja I just mean for you your personal projects as an entrepreneur. Maybe you have a blog on one website, and 2 e-commerce store websites, and another landing page style e-commerce website. This could add up on web flow
@@Perpetuallearner1 I think, if i had 3 e-commerce Stores, i could afford 1Blog+3Stores (4x23$/mo)
Or do you get confused with Websites and Webpages?
@@UrosMikicFlowNinja I work with a legacy Webflow project, and I’ve found it to be quite limited compared to WordPress. Despite the company paying over $10k/year, Webflow has major constraints: no parallel development, limited SEO options, and no custom meta tags. The Webflow CMS doesn't allow basic styling like changing font size or color for rich text. Plus, there’s no flexibility for CSP header debugging or URL structure customization, and hosting verification files for 3rd party scripts is impossible without a reverse proxy. Webflow works fine for small, simple sites, but for anything more complex or customized, it falls short. It’s an impressive platform in some ways, but definitely overpriced and too restrictive compared to WordPress.
I can provide really big least where missed basic features. Also, on big complicated pages, webflow has mircofreezes during designing. Super uncomfortable platform and still requires developer skills.
Although the content is good, this is a bit TOO biased, honestly.
Thank you for the feedback. I agree, we are focused more on Webflow, as we strongly believe from our perspective it is a better tool, so completely understand your feedback.
I would love to hear which areas you feel we should be more oriented to WordPress so I can make more videos on this topic in the future?
I started with Webflow migrated to WordPress, I considered going back but knowing how to code custom themes, I am not sure what are the benefits going back to webflow?
I agree. I only use Webflow these days but this video is $
I'm new with web development. Can you explains why not just code the website using HTML, CSS, TypeScript/JavaScript and host on AWS or other big server hosting company.. Why use Webflow, wordpress, wix, shopify etc ... ?
To simplify it as much as possible:
- It's faster to build and easier to maintain
- Managing content is super easy and can be done by anyone from the team without any technical knowledge
- Not just content, but whole pages can be build by marketing if you setup everything good
These are just some of the points, but we have seen and worked with many big brands who had custom coded website and decided to switch to Webflow, so thats a clue in itself if you ask me.
I love wordpress and woocomerce and freedom. I also use Webflow and it's awesome, anology with Apple and Android have both. I think compared to mastering coding it's easier to master both Webflow and Wordpress!
Totally agree, thanks for your comment Jeff!
This is like an ad for Webflow. I get it, you make stuff for Webflow and would greatly benefit from saying it is better. You keep talking about "out of the box", but the problem with that is, Wordpress was never built that way and is only now heading in that direction. It is a modular platform that is far more customisable than Webflow is and probably ever will be.
Hello 👋
I understand your concerns, this opinion is coming from our clients who have migrated from Wordpress. I know that Wordpress can also be a great platform if used well, so understand your concerns.
Who is the other person in your video?
This is a great video been looking for such a good comparison
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for the video. Ive been using Wordpress for years (and designed/coded them before that). Webflow does address the things I dont like about WP...the constant updates and plugins. Its rare but I have had minor plugin updates crash sites. Not to mention themes. My concern with these types of things is locking into something proprietary that may change at some point (price hikes, going out of business, major changes to how things work that could affect how the site works). I think for some of my clients it could work but I dont know that it will replace WP entirely.
Hey Jack! Thanks for sharing your thoughts and I'm glad the video is helpful for you.
I understand where you are coming from, but to be honest, the same changes may occur to any other software such as WordPress, Wix or any other alternative.
In my mind, the number one thing when choosing the platform is picking the one that can provide stable and scalable solutions for our clients and I think Webflow is the best at this point.
While this is a good video, this is not a balanced review of the two platforms - the bias is obvious...and you should have issued a disclaimer to that effect. Speak to the core strength of each and why you would need them, and not casting impressions on WP to the advantage of WF.
WP offers flexibility for high customisation covering costs, choice of web hosts, customisation and more; it is like a tool box that you can build anything and anywhere. While you may be able to build many things with WF, you can't build everywhere - only with WF.
I don't think you were very clear on the audience of both platforms - both are fit for purpose, and that is what I expected from this video, not a WF sell. For many small businesses, that monthly WF cost is way more a burden that the hassles of dealing with WP maintenance 'headaches'.
Again, with a disclaimer, there would have been nothing wrong with the video.
This is a disguised advertisement for webflow.
Of course each has its advantages and drawbacks. But I prefer Wordpress all day.
Thank you for putting the time to watch the video and leave a feedback. Really appreciate it!
Not actually! We are Webflow partners, but we are not paid by Webflow to say these things.
All of these items were feedback from our clients coming from WordPress to Webflow actually. Both are great platforms anyway.
Framer and Wix Studio are also coming to compete
We didn’t test wix studio yet! Will have to have that on our list soon!
I understand were you are coming from, and while it is true is harder to build an efficient website in wordpress, it is just because of the sheer amount of possibilities that the ecosystem gives you, which unfortunately the vast majority is not good enough. Said that, once you understand the what, how, where and when of wordpress, it is a way more flexible and scalable solution than webflow. Even the part of the "maintenance" and "updates" that you talked about, I haven't had any problem with my sites for over 2 years with my stack. Not a single site braking or going down. And that's because I know what I am doing and I chosed the right plugins (but yes, it can be daunting and hard to arrive to this point).
Hey Tiago, thank you for the comment!
I 100% agree that WordPress can still be a good option if you, as you put it, know what you are doing on your end. That's the main reason why WordPress still has more than 60% of the market share and is still a good option for many brands today. Personally, I found that Webflow is a better solution when it comes to scaling agencies and working with 30+ new projects on a month to month basis, just because I don't even think about the fact that something can break.
As Dawid said in the video, it helps me sleep better at night :)
All these comments biased Webflow is more efficient and is as quality if not better than than word press + and plugins
Some like Ferrari
Some like Lambo
We all serve
webflow is built perfectly for content creators - not so much for ppl trying to build an efficient cost-effective website.
I see your point, but I wouldn't really agree on that to be honest.
In my mind there is a difference between "as cheap as possible" and "cost-effective".
If you create a good website that is going to bring your business more revenue instead of opting for a cheaper option that isn't going to provide the same experience and perform poorly, that can be seen a cost-effective, right?
Sorry but this is not true. Webflow is built for designers, not laypeople. For people who take the time to learn it, it is extremely efficient and cost effective.
web flow is EXPENSIVE -- this is why it is NEVER going to evolve in 80% of use cases
Correct! It is created for large websites which need scailing.
I get the feeling this video was created on wordpress from 10 years ago, or one did not look at the current wordpress market today.
Basic best practice with wordpress today: Less is more, and always make use of child-themes.
That being said:
I think this analyses is incorrect, and probably based on a experience like 10 years ago 😅
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! It's always interesting to hear different perspectives on WordPress practices. Even though I do believe that WordPress has evolved a lot in the past years, we are getting daily inquiries from a lot of different clients who are having the same issues that I and many others encountered years ago, and that is making brands look for a different option such as Webflow.
Nevertheless, I truly appreciate your comment and maybe one of my future channel videos will be me trying WordPress in 2024.
Framer is better Webflow is tooooocotly
I would love to hear a little more about why you believe Framer is better!
I love both tools and I always like to hear more opinions!
But with Wp you actually learn alot.
Hello! Thank you for your feedback. I agree that there is a lot to learn from WordPress, as well as from other platforms, and each platform offers something unique. Have you had the chance to explore Webflow? If so, I would love to hear about your experience.
What does this comment even mean?
@@UrosMikicFlowNinja Haven't tried it but maybe in the future if it gains more market share.
Idemoooo
Webflow +1
baised comparision
Thanks for the feedback! As a Webflow agency, I agree we can be biased sometimes.
Would love to hear your take on this topic!
Wordpress is free Webflow is not end of story
If you are looking for a cheapest solution to build your personal website, than sure, I agree. But if you are company looking for a scalable solution that will help you earn more money using your website, than something being FREE is not the only factor to take into consideration.
I actually spoke with one of our clients on this topic that moved from WordPress to Webflow, feel free to checkout the FREE webinar on this link - www.flow.ninja/webflow-resources/re-coded-webinar
Cheers!
wordpress is free...
Correct! That is one of the core differences between an open sources platform vs a private SaaS software like Webflow!
@@UrosMikicFlowNinja but are the plugins also free?
@@antonio030 No
Webflow ❤👍🏽
Wordpress 🤮 👎🏽
Yoast is terrible. Rank maths is far better. As well Webflows SEO is god awful. Like FourthWall a company that raised 14 million dollars. Doesn't even rank for fourthwall. Literally its name.
Hey!
I'm sorry to hear you have an experience like that. Completely understand that if you didn't have a good experience with Webflow SEO you might not like it!
As we work with companies which have 1M views and more, and our core business is ran off SEO, we've had incredible experience with Webflow SEO.
By searching fourthwall on Google, fourthwall is the first thing that comes up for me!
I would love to offer some help to clarify this situation :)
@@UrosMikicFlowNinja Out of the UK, Specifically the channel islands. Its what sent me down this rabbit hole of wordpress v webflow.
I have no plans on changing platform but i was curious what fourthwall was and saw it was built on webflow. Googled it and it didnt show up for a branded search.
Thought it may have been deindexed or something in the new update
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