Not gonna lie, that case is dope. Built like an absolute unit and mine arrived in pristine condition without any residue or smell. The magnetic lock also exudes mechanistic awesomeness - love opening and closing it. The cables and included tips are amazing too. I was initially worried about fit given the shape, but it’s perfect and stays flush against my ears. This is important because proper fit is a game changer aspect of iems that people underestimate - a non-fit basically destroys the sound of even the best iems, like the tragic Whizzer A-HE03 which could have been legendary except for its terrible anti-ergonomics. The Timelss hits the sweet spot for me as far as sound is concerned when I feel like something on the refined, higher end of fun (as opposed to the bloated, hazy, down and dirty fun of something like the Blon 03 - decent for its price point especially when it first launched, but there are better now for a few dollars more and not gonna go back to it). The Timelss is basically an upgraded version of the Kanas Pro (one of my all-time favourite mid-fi iem) or, by extension, the KXXS. The Timeless has better treble extension and detail. To each his own, but time will tell whether the Timeless is overhyped or not. For me, for $200, this is a no-brainer for my collection.
I pretty much agree with you, but I would add that while I love the case, I consider it to be just a desktop accessory. It isn't travel friendly at all due to weight & material construction. During my time with the Timeless, I've discovered 2 things: 1. It needs to be properly powered. If you're running it directly from your phone, you're not going to get its best. The same can be said if you're running it unbalanced. It needs to be properly powered by a balanced connection. Proper current/voltage is a must. 2. The stock cable, while attractive & well behaved, is not the best performing. IMHO, it kind of chokes the performance of the Timeless. The stock cable is what I would call adequate. I've tried several other cables that have improved their performance & the stock cable is now back in the box. FTR, I also own the Kato. I personally do not rank it above the Timeless. They're close & I can think of some use cases or material that I might slightly prefer the Kato depending on what I want to focus on in a recording but overall, I prefer the Timeless. I can be treble sensitive & I find the Kato to be slightly on the bright side of neutral. To be completely transparent, I don't even find the Kato to be my favorite DD. That title belongs to the Drop + JVC HA-FDX1.
My thoughts on this whole notion of 'hype' in the realm of audiophile iems and headphones. I think it is a pretty overused concept. The cycle always remains the same. Few reviewers and a large section of users strongly praise an iem. Some people who brought the iem on account of that praise gets disappointed. Then they go to critical reviews of that same iem and say that these and these reviewers can't be trusted and they are 'hyping' a product. No reviewer can account for the subjective taste of each individual user. Their judgments are based on their subjective preferences plus experience in the audiophile world. Just because they like an iem does not mean an average user will enjoy that. I am someone much used to the planar sound and hence I really enjoy the 7hz Timeless. There is a certain grandness to the sound of Timeless which I feel is similar to my Hifiman Sundara (with more bass in the Timeless and less soundstage). But that doesn't mean someone with a different taste will like this iem. To add another example, a lot of ordinary listeners enjoy Meze 99 classics, however Crinacle recently made a video rubbishing the whole Meze lineup including the 99 classics.
Exactly, I'm at the point where I'm no longer surprised that someone somehow gets a drastically different experience from reviewers/others. It's all subjective, and I've tried enough IEMs to know what I would/wouldn't like to a good extent.
@@TBMartin Subjective in the sense that there will never be an iem that will be universally liked by everyone. Personal tastes in audio vary a lot. It does not mean objective metrics like FR graphs or type of drivers used in an iem does not matter. Reviewers should be respected for their experience in this hobby. However, two equally experienced reviewers may have wildly different perspective on a same iem. Again 'subjective tastes' Practical way out of this scenario is to find a reviewer whose tastes synchorise with yours. It may be precog for one, Crinacle for another or BGGAR for someone else.
@@Hari-kx2er Reviewers are the ones to blame when it comes to being "subjective" because they really don't need to be. You can review a product but once you strat comparing it to other products then it comes subjective. No need to compare a £200 product to a £1000 product and then strat picking holes in the £200 because it does not match up to the £1000 that most reviewers do. They are the ones to blame because they don't know their target audience. I'm a guy who does not care for £1000 iem's so why do i need to listen to a reviewer who will compare an iem im interested in to an iem costing £1000 that i don't care for? Some of us want the best bang for our buck and have no experience in £1000 but the reviewer does so when he is saying this £200 iem does not sound as good as a £1000 iem then that his fault, not the product. Its like comparing a £200 phone to a £1000 phone and then complaining that the £200 phone is not as good as the £1000 when each phone is in different price brackets and aimed at a different market.
@@TBMartin because you can find a reviewer whose subjective taste align with yours. Or you can get a better grasp of what an IEM sound like by cross referencing among different reviews.
Glad that I'm completely inline with Crin's impression on the Timeless. I think it's because I have a similar, if not nearly identical music taste as Crin. Timeless definitely has its issues, but on most of my songs (hip hop/r&b/soul), it sounds awesome. It's punchy, thick and resolving.
A year later, and I think these are even better, now. I have perfect pitch, I don’t know if this affects every aspect of listening, but it probably doesn’t hurt. Highly, highly recommend these.
Very refreshing to hear something else than just how this is the most awesome thing since sliced bread and nothing near its price can compete. Although I'm still not decided, I'm leaning towards Kato now which I was looking at before hearing about the Timeless. Based on this and a few other comparisons it appears the Kato is smoother, more natural, slightly warmer and less fatiguing sounding. Sounds like for my usage (IEMs not being my main listening rig) that will do just nicely. Add the probably better comfort, tips, stock cable and case and I think I'm back at looking at getting the Kato's. Unless someone has a better suggestion :)
I've got the 7hz timeless, shure 846 (which I've had for many many years), edifier stax spirit s3 (and a few others including audeze LCD2). Using LG v60, Sony nwzx2 (pretty old), Activo ct10 and also lx2 headphone amp. I listen to a wide range of music, classical (from Bach to Beethoven), folk vocals (like Loreena Mckennitt). Traditional music from around the world (like Kodo drummers). And more contemporary across all genres. First up, the shure se846: spacing is amazing - you can place every part of the orchestra and all music has a musicality that is hard to describe other than jaw dropping. The 7hz timeless is clinical in comparison, all the instruments are there and it's clean. However, spacing and positioning is less well defined. I can hear the various instruments of an orchestra but positioning is less well defined. I find it a bit more comfortable, less enclosed and less totally captivating than the shure se846. The Edifiers are relaxing to listen to for very long periods. Wired sounds better than wireless with more powerful inputs and better quality source material. With some devices, the Edifier was quieter when wired. I'm sure there are better IEMs and headphones than the ones I use. However, I enjoy having the range that I can use for different circumstances.
Cool to see you have a shure to compare it to. Although one of the more expensive shure's. I have a Shure SE215 BT1. Do you think the 7HZ Timeless would be an improvement? I love the fit and comfort of the shure's and I am looking to upgrade the BT1 to the True Wireless Gen 2 or the fiio utws5 true wireless adapter. I do lack a 3.5mm cable which the 7hz Timeless will provide if I decide to go for them, but mostly I want to go wireless with them. The other option I am considering is the Shure Aonic 4 but that one is more expensive. Or just going for the Shure Aonic 215 True Wireless Gen 2 wich would be the cheapest option.
I'm not generally into the planar sound when it comes to over-ear headphones and prefer a smoother response there, but for an IEM this honestly sounds very interesting to me - something to shake things up and give my mobile/work listening experience its own flavour so I can appreciate both for what they are, rather than looking for something that'll match my home sound as best as possible but be compromised in some shape by form factor constraints. Interesting, wish there were local retails that stocked it so demo or returns were a possibility for me.
@@jaroslavfricek7772 thanks for the info. I was lucky to get my hands on a few of each Tin T2 blue and Tin P1 grey foam tips a couple years ago. I put the grey P1 tips on these. It’s a good combo.
Thank you for the effort. When you say " All critical listening was done off an iBasso DX300 and iPhone 13 Mini using lossless files" it means you are using the "apple lightning > 3.5mm adapter"?
I freaking love the 7 hertz timeless ! haven't hear any moondrop IEM before. The Timeless is indeed has a strong resolution according to headphone website. mind blown away.🤯
Another quality review. I see nothing wrong with the kind of natural buzz from enthusiasts that builds up over time, the hype with this looked like it was largely reviewer led, starting a few months ago. I don't know why people are so eager to take part.
Hi Precog , Do these really have QC variants? Like some say that they have good depth and width, another one would say that they are not like that. So do some people just underamp them or they have qc variations? Or do they just percieve soundstage differently?
Will you review the drop x jvc iems? The fdx1 is pretty good for the 200$ price point. Sure it has a slight metallic timbre but overall the tuning and detail is excellent for the price point. They also have the fdx1 which almost nobody reviewed except dms and he seemed to like it.
Hey, I have heard the FDX1 extensively. It’s good (fairly technical) but not up my alley in terms of tuning. Like you said, it decays a little faster than most DDs. On the other hand, the FWX1 (I think this is what you were referencing?) is not good in my opinion. Sounds massively bloated and has little air.
Lower mid range the 400 to 800 hz I'd a sign that is close to original.people need to realise that harmon is not what studio people use. Only 200 people use that from 1 million. And harmon would be use in loud tracks like we recorded in a studio. Voice they never thin in a real mic situation. So I don't know why most tuning this days people drop the 400 to 800 down. And when comes to mid bass bleeding in the mids. Means we have to turn the mids up to overcome that. That's how we do it in real studio recording. Most reviewers talk about the bleed into the mids without knowing how many dB the mids are set. Like etymotic. People say that is good for studio. Noooo. It's not. If i was recording with that iem. I would increase the bass until its ok. By the time I would play a track recorded by the etymotic in a normal system the bass would be so high that would be ridiculous. I hope that the people that does iem reviews learn a bit more about sound and recording instead of saying what's Good for studio. Let that be for us music producers. Love your reviews by the way.
I adore the 7hz Timeless OG and I got the AE yesterday. 1/ I wanted a second pair since I plan some experiments; 2/ hoped for some improvements like more sub-bass, less recessed vocals. Well, I got it - sub-bass is already slightly more, mid-bass a spec more but enough to make bass guitars and drums fuller, male vocals are more textured, slightly warmer. But even more treble is more liquid w/o loosing details and airiness and even cleaner.
@inouesora the main difference is the improved FR and smoothened sound signature (read above). If you value only tangible differences than it is the modular cable, and that is improvement a lot since Timeless loves power and scales up the reply with balanced source.
@@iDTecKt Well, that's the momentum from the break thru it made. Yes, it is a great set but is more euphoric but a bit unpolished. The AE is far more reference and refined w/o being dull. Nevertheless, I keep both.
You dont like the graph or you dont like how it sounds in your ears? I have some nice headphones and iems and honestly, timeless is one of the best sounding iems ive heard, especially for the price tag.
I don’t think you guys ever released a review on RUclips for the moondrop variations. I was actually going to get the timeless. I had it on order but it kept getting delayed. I ended up canceling and saw the variations on sale. I know it’s a totally different price bracket and technology but oh my the variations is exceptionally good. Great tuning and fantastic resolution and clarity in the $500 price bracket. I only say that because I haven’t listened to any IEMs beyond the price of the variations.
I think the Variation is definitely worth it. It can compete over $1000 IEM. Sounded better then quite a few over $1000 to $2000 IEM. Only con for some might be the size of variation might not fit everyone. To get one on sale is very lucky! Enjoy 😉.
yeah this just goes to show that audiophiles are full of shit, as a blind person, the timeless offers so much in terms of sound, the detail is so freaking krisp, the sound stage is good for an iem.. if your looking for sound stage, don't get a freaking iem.. for 199$ now, nothing beats this absolutely nothing.
Great review, now i will wait someone to review shozy black hole mini, im interested on that one, the wooden case influenced the sound as shozy references, and im searching for analog sounding iem.
What's your take on Ikko OH10 Obsidian? I got them after going through several sub $200 IEMs, as an upgrade to my Moondrop Aria which was my first IEM; before I was mostly headphone guy.
I like the OH10. The tuning might not be the best (too V-shaped and the treble response has some oddities), but it has impressive imaging and dynamics for its price point.
@@sleepywesleyIgnoring it only makes sense if the feature/acoustical phenomenon doesn’t actually exist. But it does. Some iems have it, others don’t. Some people like it, others don’t. But it exists, so having a term for it makes sense. Suggest a different/better term if you must, but why “ignore it”?
When it comes to planar IEMs, personally I'm waiting for either a revision of Audeze's LCDi4 or an LCDi5, that _doesn't_ need an Apple cipher cable to sound good. Come on Audeze. You can do better.
@@msteele0 I can distinguish positioning of various sounds and instruments pretty well through the Timeless. That's all I am saying. More expensive iems may obviously do better.
@@Hari-kx2er It does left and right, but that's it. There's a lot more to good imaging than just stereo. Other, better imaging IEMs, even less expensive can image audio events with pinpoint accuracy, even in 3D space with depth. Timeless' imaging is soft/blurry at best. Everything happens behind a wall (no depth). I 100% agree with Precog, Timeless is one of the worst imaging IEMs I've ever heard. Good detail though, but sibilant. I'm just not a fan of the planar tonality what so ever.
@@msteele0 I don't say that Timeless is best at imaging or anything like that. However, my experience does not coincide with the poor impression you have of the Timeless's imaging. I like the Timeless because for me it has a grandness to its sound that reminds me of my favorite Hifiman Sundara. With more bass and less soundstage in a closed back package that is. Everyone hears differently. This is a very subjective hobby. I will leave it at that. I also am very much used to and like the planar tonality. That is a factor to consider as well. I 100% agree with Crinacle's impression of Timeless rather than Precog's
I own both, and I find them almost opposite around the 2k region. The Timeless has an elevation from 1.5K to 2.5K, where the HE400se is recessed in that area. As a result the music sounds fuller on the Timeless, because that is really an important range for many instruments. The HE400se has a much flatter bass response, for anything above or below that Hifiman recessed point, it is probably a better reference set, where the Timeless has elevated bass and sub-bass that some people don't find appealing. The odd part is that when I switch the HE400se sounds like it has more bass, but I know better, it is just that the bass is the only thing you hear. They both have that smooth and fast planar sound that you expect, about the oddest thing is that a planar with some decent bass can be IEM size and weight.
@@JohnClarkW I got 400se as upgrade to my tin p1 iem.. They're the only experience and reference I have. It's been 3 days since I got he400se. I had p1 for a year. Loving 400se so far.. I trying filling 1-2k reason in wavelet eq app on my phone.. I see minor changes.. Maybe I'm still a beginner and have less time with it to know the extent
I also bought the 7Hz because of the Hype and I don't like it. For me it has the same problem as the Tin P1. It sounds kinda dead and lifeless. I don't care about a "clinical" or "clean" sound if my music sounds boring. I would rather use the Tripowin Mele or Blon B3 because they are more engaging. The 7Hz is not bad, but there are other IEM that are much more interesting. Fit is also weird. I bought it 2 months ago and listened to it like 3 times and never used it again. I think I'm gonna sell it on eBay lol.
@@AwesomeLevi I have a Luxury & Precision W2 and use the 4,4 balanced out. It should have even more power than the Qudelix (which I also tried). But imho it doesn't matter. There's something about the sound signature that I dislike. And more power doesn't fix that.
It really does not need EQ. You just have to be willing to try a few different tips to make subtle adjustments. Having said all that, I do EQ mine because I EQ everything, because everything can be improved with EQ. Me and this reviewer hear everything differently, so I am not surprised by his take here. To the point where if he does not like something, I think it will sound great to me.
“Couple of hours?” I never wear IEM’s that long 😂 IEM’s are for the gym with a Bluetooth dongle, I’m a headphone guy, and I ain’t that hard core, the gym is 90 minutes ago for me. I love my Timeless - they’re perfect for how I use them.
Hey, I’m not a fan of the A8000 or the Noble Sultan (I have a written review of this one). Haven’t heard the other two IEMs, though, so I’ll try and give them a listen when I can!
The faceplate on these is pretty dumb, 7hz could had made the IEM smaller given the driver size. I would buy a Timeless if it wasn't for the QC issues reported.
The honest audiophile is a very trustworthy reviewer, he rates these as E- which is excellence, and all the sets I own he's been bang on with he's description and rating, so I'll take your review with a pinch of salt bae's salt from his elbow.
I got a pair... let them sit on my desk for 3 days playing music to burn them in... then I put them on and did a full day of listening to get the brain burn taken care of... so now I knew what they sounded like ... not bad actually.... then I changed out cables... first was a multi metal cable from fiio... they got a bit boomy .... then I put the thinnest cable I had on them... the linum and they settled in perfectly..... I also noted that they scale very well with the amount of volume ... you just bump up the volume a little at a time and you can find the sweet spot.... lots of energy with these...
Why should he? If any reviewer is non concerned about what others think of his opinions, it is Crinacle. He has his opinions and others have their opinions.That has always been his motto
Not gonna lie, that case is dope. Built like an absolute unit and mine arrived in pristine condition without any residue or smell. The magnetic lock also exudes mechanistic awesomeness - love opening and closing it. The cables and included tips are amazing too. I was initially worried about fit given the shape, but it’s perfect and stays flush against my ears. This is important because proper fit is a game changer aspect of iems that people underestimate - a non-fit basically destroys the sound of even the best iems, like the tragic Whizzer A-HE03 which could have been legendary except for its terrible anti-ergonomics. The Timelss hits the sweet spot for me as far as sound is concerned when I feel like something on the refined, higher end of fun (as opposed to the bloated, hazy, down and dirty fun of something like the Blon 03 - decent for its price point especially when it first launched, but there are better now for a few dollars more and not gonna go back to it). The Timelss is basically an upgraded version of the Kanas Pro (one of my all-time favourite mid-fi iem) or, by extension, the KXXS. The Timeless has better treble extension and detail. To each his own, but time will tell whether the Timeless is overhyped or not. For me, for $200, this is a no-brainer for my collection.
I pretty much agree with you, but I would add that while I love the case, I consider it to be just a desktop accessory. It isn't travel friendly at all due to weight & material construction. During my time with the Timeless, I've discovered 2 things:
1. It needs to be properly powered. If you're running it directly from your phone, you're not going to get its best. The same can be said if you're running it unbalanced. It needs to be properly powered by a balanced connection. Proper current/voltage is a must.
2. The stock cable, while attractive & well behaved, is not the best performing. IMHO, it kind of chokes the performance of the Timeless. The stock cable is what I would call adequate. I've tried several other cables that have improved their performance & the stock cable is now back in the box.
FTR, I also own the Kato. I personally do not rank it above the Timeless. They're close & I can think of some use cases or material that I might slightly prefer the Kato depending on what I want to focus on in a recording but overall, I prefer the Timeless. I can be treble sensitive & I find the Kato to be slightly on the bright side of neutral. To be completely transparent, I don't even find the Kato to be my favorite DD. That title belongs to the Drop + JVC HA-FDX1.
My thoughts on this whole notion of 'hype' in the realm of audiophile iems and headphones.
I think it is a pretty overused concept. The cycle always remains the same. Few reviewers and a large section of users strongly praise an iem. Some people who brought the iem on account of that praise gets disappointed. Then they go to critical reviews of that same iem and say that these and these reviewers can't be trusted and they are 'hyping' a product.
No reviewer can account for the subjective taste of each individual user. Their judgments are based on their subjective preferences plus experience in the audiophile world. Just because they like an iem does not mean an average user will enjoy that.
I am someone much used to the planar sound and hence I really enjoy the 7hz Timeless. There is a certain grandness to the sound of Timeless which I feel is similar to my Hifiman Sundara (with more bass in the Timeless and less soundstage). But that doesn't mean someone with a different taste will like this iem.
To add another example, a lot of ordinary listeners enjoy Meze 99 classics, however Crinacle recently made a video rubbishing the whole Meze lineup including the 99 classics.
Exactly, I'm at the point where I'm no longer surprised that someone somehow gets a drastically different experience from reviewers/others. It's all subjective, and I've tried enough IEMs to know what I would/wouldn't like to a good extent.
If its "all subjective" then what is the point of anyone reviewing anything? If indeed "all subjective" then there is no need for reviewers.
@@TBMartin Subjective in the sense that there will never be an iem that will be universally liked by everyone. Personal tastes in audio vary a lot. It does not mean objective metrics like FR graphs or type of drivers used in an iem does not matter.
Reviewers should be respected for their experience in this hobby. However, two equally experienced reviewers may have wildly different perspective on a same iem. Again 'subjective tastes'
Practical way out of this scenario is to find a reviewer whose tastes synchorise with yours. It may be precog for one, Crinacle for another or BGGAR for someone else.
@@Hari-kx2er Reviewers are the ones to blame when it comes to being "subjective" because they really don't need to be. You can review a product but once you strat comparing it to other products then it comes subjective. No need to compare a £200 product to a £1000 product and then strat picking holes in the £200 because it does not match up to the £1000 that most reviewers do. They are the ones to blame because they don't know their target audience. I'm a guy who does not care for £1000 iem's so why do i need to listen to a reviewer who will compare an iem im interested in to an iem costing £1000 that i don't care for? Some of us want the best bang for our buck and have no experience in £1000 but the reviewer does so when he is saying this £200 iem does not sound as good as a £1000 iem then that his fault, not the product. Its like comparing a £200 phone to a £1000 phone and then complaining that the £200 phone is not as good as the £1000 when each phone is in different price brackets and aimed at a different market.
@@TBMartin because you can find a reviewer whose subjective taste align with yours. Or you can get a better grasp of what an IEM sound like by cross referencing among different reviews.
Glad that I'm completely inline with Crin's impression on the Timeless.
I think it's because I have a similar, if not nearly identical music taste as Crin.
Timeless definitely has its issues, but on most of my songs (hip hop/r&b/soul), it sounds awesome. It's punchy, thick and resolving.
A year later, and I think these are even better, now. I have perfect pitch, I don’t know if this affects every aspect of listening, but it probably doesn’t hurt. Highly, highly recommend these.
Very refreshing to hear something else than just how this is the most awesome thing since sliced bread and nothing near its price can compete. Although I'm still not decided, I'm leaning towards Kato now which I was looking at before hearing about the Timeless. Based on this and a few other comparisons it appears the Kato is smoother, more natural, slightly warmer and less fatiguing sounding. Sounds like for my usage (IEMs not being my main listening rig) that will do just nicely. Add the probably better comfort, tips, stock cable and case and I think I'm back at looking at getting the Kato's. Unless someone has a better suggestion :)
According to Dan Audio Reviews, Kato is more fatiguing than the Timeless.
@@Hari-kx2er Yeah, you can hear it on the sound demo.
I've got the 7hz timeless, shure 846 (which I've had for many many years), edifier stax spirit s3 (and a few others including audeze LCD2). Using LG v60, Sony nwzx2 (pretty old), Activo ct10 and also lx2 headphone amp.
I listen to a wide range of music, classical (from Bach to Beethoven), folk vocals (like Loreena Mckennitt). Traditional music from around the world (like Kodo drummers). And more contemporary across all genres.
First up, the shure se846: spacing is amazing - you can place every part of the orchestra and all music has a musicality that is hard to describe other than jaw dropping.
The 7hz timeless is clinical in comparison, all the instruments are there and it's clean. However, spacing and positioning is less well defined. I can hear the various instruments of an orchestra but positioning is less well defined. I find it a bit more comfortable, less enclosed and less totally captivating than the shure se846.
The Edifiers are relaxing to listen to for very long periods. Wired sounds better than wireless with more powerful inputs and better quality source material. With some devices, the Edifier was quieter when wired.
I'm sure there are better IEMs and headphones than the ones I use. However, I enjoy having the range that I can use for different circumstances.
Cool to see you have a shure to compare it to. Although one of the more expensive shure's. I have a Shure SE215 BT1. Do you think the 7HZ Timeless would be an improvement?
I love the fit and comfort of the shure's and I am looking to upgrade the BT1 to the True Wireless Gen 2 or the fiio utws5 true wireless adapter.
I do lack a 3.5mm cable which the 7hz Timeless will provide if I decide to go for them, but mostly I want to go wireless with them.
The other option I am considering is the Shure Aonic 4 but that one is more expensive. Or just going for the Shure Aonic 215 True Wireless Gen 2 wich would be the cheapest option.
I'm not generally into the planar sound when it comes to over-ear headphones and prefer a smoother response there, but for an IEM this honestly sounds very interesting to me - something to shake things up and give my mobile/work listening experience its own flavour so I can appreciate both for what they are, rather than looking for something that'll match my home sound as best as possible but be compromised in some shape by form factor constraints. Interesting, wish there were local retails that stocked it so demo or returns were a possibility for me.
I put foam tips on mine and I love them. I also love my P1’s. They are great additions to my IEM lineup
Hi, I heard Sony triplcomfort work great with 7hz… it’s difficult to get them in my country so I probably try Deconi foams✌️😁
@@jaroslavfricek7772 thanks for the info. I was lucky to get my hands on a few of each Tin T2 blue and Tin P1 grey foam tips a couple years ago. I put the grey P1 tips on these. It’s a good combo.
Thank you for the effort. When you say
" All critical listening was done off an iBasso DX300 and iPhone 13 Mini using lossless files" it means you are using the "apple lightning > 3.5mm adapter"?
The description about how a driver will do staging is amazing! I also see it that way!
I freaking love the 7 hertz timeless ! haven't hear any moondrop IEM before. The Timeless is indeed has a strong resolution according to headphone website. mind blown away.🤯
Another quality review. I see nothing wrong with the kind of natural buzz from enthusiasts that builds up over time, the hype with this looked like it was largely reviewer led, starting a few months ago. I don't know why people are so eager to take part.
Hi Precog , Do these really have QC variants? Like some say that they have good depth and width, another one would say that they are not like that. So do some people just underamp them or they have qc variations? Or do they just percieve soundstage differently?
Will you review the drop x jvc iems? The fdx1 is pretty good for the 200$ price point. Sure it has a slight metallic timbre but overall the tuning and detail is excellent for the price point. They also have the fdx1 which almost nobody reviewed except dms and he seemed to like it.
Hey, I have heard the FDX1 extensively. It’s good (fairly technical) but not up my alley in terms of tuning. Like you said, it decays a little faster than most DDs. On the other hand, the FWX1 (I think this is what you were referencing?) is not good in my opinion. Sounds massively bloated and has little air.
@@Precogvision Oups, I wrote FDX1 twice instead of FWX1. My bad. Thanks for the precisions and keep up the good work!
Lower mid range the 400 to 800 hz I'd a sign that is close to original.people need to realise that harmon is not what studio people use. Only 200 people use that from 1 million. And harmon would be use in loud tracks like we recorded in a studio. Voice they never thin in a real mic situation. So I don't know why most tuning this days people drop the 400 to 800 down. And when comes to mid bass bleeding in the mids. Means we have to turn the mids up to overcome that. That's how we do it in real studio recording. Most reviewers talk about the bleed into the mids without knowing how many dB the mids are set. Like etymotic. People say that is good for studio. Noooo. It's not. If i was recording with that iem. I would increase the bass until its ok. By the time I would play a track recorded by the etymotic in a normal system the bass would be so high that would be ridiculous. I hope that the people that does iem reviews learn a bit more about sound and recording instead of saying what's Good for studio. Let that be for us music producers. Love your reviews by the way.
I adore the 7hz Timeless OG and I got the AE yesterday. 1/ I wanted a second pair since I plan some experiments; 2/ hoped for some improvements like more sub-bass, less recessed vocals. Well, I got it - sub-bass is already slightly more, mid-bass a spec more but enough to make bass guitars and drums fuller, male vocals are more textured, slightly warmer. But even more treble is more liquid w/o loosing details and airiness and even cleaner.
@inouesora absolutely, 100%
@inouesora the main difference is the improved FR and smoothened sound signature (read above). If you value only tangible differences than it is the modular cable, and that is improvement a lot since Timeless loves power and scales up the reply with balanced source.
Ive read by many the OG is still better
@@iDTecKt Well, that's the momentum from the break thru it made. Yes, it is a great set but is more euphoric but a bit unpolished. The AE is far more reference and refined w/o being dull. Nevertheless, I keep both.
The more reviews of this IEM out there, the better.
Thanks Theo
You dont like the graph or you dont like how it sounds in your ears? I have some nice headphones and iems and honestly, timeless is one of the best sounding iems ive heard, especially for the price tag.
I don’t think you guys ever released a review on RUclips for the moondrop variations. I was actually going to get the timeless. I had it on order but it kept getting delayed. I ended up canceling and saw the variations on sale. I know it’s a totally different price bracket and technology but oh my the variations is exceptionally good. Great tuning and fantastic resolution and clarity in the $500 price bracket. I only say that because I haven’t listened to any IEMs beyond the price of the variations.
I think the Variation is definitely worth it. It can compete over $1000 IEM. Sounded better then quite a few over $1000 to $2000 IEM. Only con for some might be the size of variation might not fit everyone. To get one on sale is very lucky! Enjoy 😉.
yeah this just goes to show that audiophiles are full of shit, as a blind person, the timeless offers so much in terms of sound, the detail is so freaking krisp, the sound stage is good for an iem.. if your looking for sound stage, don't get a freaking iem.. for 199$ now, nothing beats this absolutely nothing.
Great review, now i will wait someone to review shozy black hole mini, im interested on that one, the wooden case influenced the sound as shozy references, and im searching for analog sounding iem.
What's your take on Ikko OH10 Obsidian? I got them after going through several sub $200 IEMs, as an upgrade to my Moondrop Aria which was my first IEM; before I was mostly headphone guy.
I like the OH10. The tuning might not be the best (too V-shaped and the treble response has some oddities), but it has impressive imaging and dynamics for its price point.
As you suggested, I stuck a nickel in my ear and it even sounds similar to the Timeless.
lol hes so dumb, i ended the video there
Can you explain a bit what "holographic" means in IEM terms?
3D sound that envelopes; depth and/or width along multiple axes; soundstage yes but more multidimensional. At least this is what it means for me.
@@mensrea1251 Sounds like soundstage and imaging had a baby? LOL
ignore it its just another stupid audiofool term
@@sleepywesleyIgnoring it only makes sense if the feature/acoustical phenomenon doesn’t actually exist. But it does. Some iems have it, others don’t. Some people like it, others don’t. But it exists, so having a term for it makes sense. Suggest a different/better term if you must, but why “ignore it”?
When it comes to planar IEMs, personally I'm waiting for either a revision of Audeze's LCDi4 or an LCDi5, that _doesn't_ need an Apple cipher cable to sound good. Come on Audeze. You can do better.
Thank you for some sanity Precog. Could not agree more with all of your comments, especially those concerning the Timeless' poor imaging.
I did not find any of that in my unit. I am talking about ‘poor imaging’
@@Hari-kx2er Compare it to a set with good imaging. That simple.
@@msteele0 I can distinguish positioning of various sounds and instruments pretty well through the Timeless. That's all I am saying. More expensive iems may obviously do better.
@@Hari-kx2er It does left and right, but that's it. There's a lot more to good imaging than just stereo. Other, better imaging IEMs, even less expensive can image audio events with pinpoint accuracy, even in 3D space with depth. Timeless' imaging is soft/blurry at best. Everything happens behind a wall (no depth). I 100% agree with Precog, Timeless is one of the worst imaging IEMs I've ever heard. Good detail though, but sibilant. I'm just not a fan of the planar tonality what so ever.
@@msteele0 I don't say that Timeless is best at imaging or anything like that. However, my experience does not coincide with the poor impression you have of the Timeless's imaging.
I like the Timeless because for me it has a grandness to its sound that reminds me of my favorite Hifiman Sundara. With more bass and less soundstage in a closed back package that is.
Everyone hears differently. This is a very subjective hobby. I will leave it at that.
I also am very much used to and like the planar tonality. That is a factor to consider as well. I 100% agree with Crinacle's impression of Timeless rather than Precog's
I noticed his review approach is fairly consistent - judge the sound based on what you see on the graph.
That's some god-tier channel matching.
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Putting nickels in my ears really works. Maybe they don’t sound the best but they really nail it for comfort. Eargonomics over SQ, I guess.
I wish someone did this vs 400se hifiman.. Not that it'd be a fair comparison. But people might be cross shopping for it..
I own both, and I find them almost opposite around the 2k region. The Timeless has an elevation from 1.5K to 2.5K, where the HE400se is recessed in that area. As a result the music sounds fuller on the Timeless, because that is really an important range for many instruments. The HE400se has a much flatter bass response, for anything above or below that Hifiman recessed point, it is probably a better reference set, where the Timeless has elevated bass and sub-bass that some people don't find appealing. The odd part is that when I switch the HE400se sounds like it has more bass, but I know better, it is just that the bass is the only thing you hear. They both have that smooth and fast planar sound that you expect, about the oddest thing is that a planar with some decent bass can be IEM size and weight.
@@JohnClarkW I got 400se as upgrade to my tin p1 iem.. They're the only experience and reference I have. It's been 3 days since I got he400se. I had p1 for a year. Loving 400se so far.. I trying filling 1-2k reason in wavelet eq app on my phone.. I see minor changes.. Maybe I'm still a beginner and have less time with it to know the extent
I also bought the 7Hz because of the Hype and I don't like it. For me it has the same problem as the Tin P1. It sounds kinda dead and lifeless. I don't care about a "clinical" or "clean" sound if my music sounds boring. I would rather use the Tripowin Mele or Blon B3 because they are more engaging. The 7Hz is not bad, but there are other IEM that are much more interesting. Fit is also weird. I bought it 2 months ago and listened to it like 3 times and never used it again. I think I'm gonna sell it on eBay lol.
Have you used them on 'high gain mode' with a Fiio BTR5? Or a Qudelix 5k? The Timeless needs a bit of power to shine.
@@AwesomeLevi I have a Luxury & Precision W2 and use the 4,4 balanced out. It should have even more power than the Qudelix (which I also tried). But imho it doesn't matter. There's something about the sound signature that I dislike. And more power doesn't fix that.
@@SmashKuro oh okay, I was just making sure you weren't using only your phone.
@@AwesomeLevi How to use phone when no headphone jack? Yeah, that's why you need Dongle or Bluetooth Dac/Amps.
what is your favorite iem under $200 and under $100 ? thanks
Probably the Tanchjim Hana 2021 for under $200, and ER2XR for under $100
"Stick a nickle in your ear" instructions were unclear now am deaf
This seems like an IEM that would really benefit from EQ. This plus EQ would be an amazing value package.
It really does not need EQ. You just have to be willing to try a few different tips to make subtle adjustments. Having said all that, I do EQ mine because I EQ everything, because everything can be improved with EQ. Me and this reviewer hear everything differently, so I am not surprised by his take here. To the point where if he does not like something, I think it will sound great to me.
But wait, you said multiple bad things about them but then at the end said you recommend them?
“Couple of hours?” I never wear IEM’s that long 😂 IEM’s are for the gym with a Bluetooth dongle, I’m a headphone guy, and I ain’t that hard core, the gym is 90 minutes ago for me.
I love my Timeless - they’re perfect for how I use them.
Review final audio a8000, Knera Nanna, Noble audio Sultan and ikko oh7
Hey, I’m not a fan of the A8000 or the Noble Sultan (I have a written review of this one). Haven’t heard the other two IEMs, though, so I’ll try and give them a listen when I can!
Thin sounding, bass lacking, no punch or wow factor / differences vs BAs and dynamic drivers. Sold it after a week of test.
The faceplate on these is pretty dumb, 7hz could had made the IEM smaller given the driver size.
I would buy a Timeless if it wasn't for the QC issues reported.
all aboard the _________ train🤭
What the heck are you talkin' about?! You're all negative, I think your hearing is the one that has problem here. I will buy this product still.
Yeah hes either a fanboy or just using the negatives for clout
The honest audiophile is a very trustworthy reviewer, he rates these as E- which is excellence, and all the sets I own he's been bang on with he's description and rating, so I'll take your review with a pinch of salt bae's salt from his elbow.
I got a pair... let them sit on my desk for 3 days playing music to burn them in... then I put them on and did a full day of listening to get the brain burn taken care of... so now I knew what they sounded like ... not bad actually.... then I changed out cables... first was a multi metal cable from fiio... they got a bit boomy .... then I put the thinnest cable I had on them... the linum and they settled in perfectly..... I also noted that they scale very well with the amount of volume ... you just bump up the volume a little at a time and you can find the sweet spot.... lots of energy with these...
Personal preference, the Kato was boring and stale to me.
then what the f to buy
Crin punching the air rn
Why should he? If any reviewer is non concerned about what others think of his opinions, it is Crinacle. He has his opinions and others have their opinions.That has always been his motto
@@Hari-kx2er oh is that why Crin just made a video in response to Dan's audio reviews this past week.
@@deshan79 What is that video. Can you give a link to the same? I will check it out
@@Hari-kx2er ruclips.net/video/IoPVcqsYLsM/видео.html Dan's video
@@Hari-kx2er crins response ruclips.net/video/j4c2uHERNwI/видео.html
No….simply no…😊
crappy review
First :v